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Apache Springs - 3 members in 5 triplogs have rated this an average 4.7 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Mar 23 2022
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 Phoenix, AZ
Hyde Mountain Loop, AZ 
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Hiking avatar Mar 23 2022
LJWTriplogs 266
Hiking26.51 Miles 3,707 AEG
Hiking26.51 Miles   10 Hrs   20 Mns   2.84 mph
3,707 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break
 
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Thinning operations are taking place SW of the Hyde Mountain area around Camp Wood and Yolo Ranch. Thinning will be taking place for approximately two months, with logging traffic on the road. The closure area will spread north as thinning continues into the slated 627 acres. From now until monsoon season, I would consult PNF on closure status for accessing Apache Creek Wilderness.

Wanted to remix a hike from last year to include Apache Creek from the springs down, as well as try out an alternative ending using an old ranching track and Dead Steer Basin Trail. Got going with Stringtown Wash heading toward Hyde Mountain.

Memories of Stringtown only a year old undersold. Tight walls and a bed of slick rock in the middle turns into relaxing open pine forest on the upper end. Good flow of water where it mattered, some of the way it was underground. Catching the trail on the upper end from the creek bed is tricky.

Hyde Mountain trail rocky and loose to hazy views. Almost no snow left on the shady slopes. Down 7up to Browns Spring and then up to the saddle and onto Pinetop Mountain. Followed the fenceline up and found a gate on top near the end of the road. Delighted by the big junipers and pines on top. Easy road walk to Apache Springs.

Apache Creek along the trail is easy going, defined by the grassy meadows, open pine forest, and lazy creek flow. From the springs to that point it's a gnarly canyon of granite boulders and outcroppings, forested but with healthy undergrowth. Can follow the water down except for in several spots where the water pours off and work-arounds are necessary. Some scrambling, light bushwhacking. The best of the creek is above the trail.

The Upper Graver Wash/Apache Creek jct is grassy and could be confusing heading up. Graver and the way down Apache Creek Trail is obvious. Decided not to cut it short and went all the way down to Graver, then walked the road back to Upper Graver TH. To the east there is a corral and an obvious trail. The trail leads down into Hyde Creek and dead ends at another corral. At that point I went over the ridge and into Dead Steer Basin, where I found the trail.

Dead Steer Basin Trail is an old double/OHV track. It is less pretty than the trail to Hyde Creek; it got burned over pretty bad. It's easy to follow and in good shape until the last creek crossing near where I picked it up. Once to the TH and FR95, the diversion started to make sense. The rest of the roadwalking back to Stringtown is through some awesome forest. The new sections and route finding made for a more engaging but difficult way to end.
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Total guess, good enough creek flow

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Mar 27 2021
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 Pine, AZ
Apache SpringsPrescott, AZ
Prescott, AZ
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jillyonanadventureTriplogs 191
Hiking3.73 Miles 677 AEG
Hiking3.73 Miles   2 Hrs   39 Mns   1.58 mph
677 ft AEG      17 Mns Break
 
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Haven’t really done too much up in this area so decided we should check it out! I had to get some work done early morning so we had a bit of a late start & the road was extremely muddy coming in midday. Just HUGE ruts and extremely slippery. If we weren’t driving Tessa, we never would have made it. James drove in the muddy areas because I’m not THAT off road trained yet and there was A LOT of sliding going on. There was only one other truck out there who had a trailer; no idea how he got that down that road, lol. All joking aside, if you do not have 4x4, best stay off this road when wet. Anyway, we finally arrived to the trailhead and started our hike. The creek area was very pretty, serene and relaxing and the geology was interesting! We took a long break on top of a rock formation and just enjoyed the weather & snacks. We still had to set up camp, so we opted to turn around and head back. The way back is some pretty tedious uphill; by the end I was reeeeeeallly looking forward to enjoying a truly back at camp! The road heading back out wasn’t quite as bad since it had dried a bit from the sun, but still just a muddy mess. Tessa has mud everywhere :D Our campsite was SO sweet; totally private, great hammock trees and two existing fire pits, plus a cool rock formation you can climb up! Would definitely bring some friends back here. More to come on next log for day 2 in this lovely remote wilderness area!

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Sep 13 2014
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 Phoenix, AZ
Stringtown - Pinetop - Apache Creek Loop, AZ 
Stringtown - Pinetop - Apache Creek Loop, AZ
 
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BiFrostTriplogs 1,257
Hiking19.72 Miles 3,498 AEG
Hiking19.72 Miles   10 Hrs   19 Mns   2.34 mph
3,498 ft AEG   1 Hour   54 Mns Break
 
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Bruce put this loop together in an area that's been on the list. And it happened that Chumley planned HAZfest there as well so after leaving the valley early Saturday morning we rolled into Camp Chumley to find everyone up and about. Took some time to catch up with friends and see if anyone wanted to join on our loop but no takers.

Finally started a bit late after 8am and heading up Stringtown Canyon which was off trail and very cools narrows section about 1 mile from the TH. From there we headed out of Stringtown and linked up with Hyde Mountain Trail. Headed up Hyde Mountain to check out the lookout with great views on top. Spent a few minutes enjoying the views of Juniper Mesa and Humphreys to the north.

The next objective was Pinetop Mountain which required about 1/2 mile bushwhack up steep terrain but turned out to be easier than expected (less Manzanita). Once on top we hiked over to the coolest tank I've ever seen...it has catchment roof system that drains all the water into 6 foot high about 30 foot wide tank. After taking several pics of the area we headed down the road from Pinetop Mountain. The views were better than expected especially looking down into Apache Creek area that we were heading to.

We took roads off Pinetop Mountain but once into Apache Creek it's all off trail. It's not too long before pools of water show up and then some flow to the creek. Soon the best part of the loop develops with nice sections of boulders and narrow slots with small pools. This section continues for about 2 miles but unfortunately for us the thunderstorms rolled in and a downpour ensued. Some of the lightning was very close the last big boom in particular maybe 50 yards away. We smelled burnt pine and sure enough a ponderosa had been struck with pieces of tree lying around. Eventually after more than an hour of hard rain it stopped near the end of the boulder section. There is a nice pool right at the end that we took a swim and a few jumps. Definitely want to do this section again in better weather.

Once out of Apache Creek we hit the trail and then the road for the last 6 miles back to the vehicle. Pretty easy hiking and made it back by 630. Then back to Camp Chumley to socialize and grill some burgers and dogs and share some beverages. Nice to hang out a bit after the hike :)
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Sep 13 2014
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Stringtown - Pinetop - Apache Creek Loop, AZ 
Stringtown - Pinetop - Apache Creek Loop, AZ
 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking19.93 Miles 3,270 AEG
Hiking19.93 Miles   10 Hrs   18 Mns   2.28 mph
3,270 ft AEG   1 Hour   34 Mns Break17 LBS Pack
 
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We made the drive out to HAZVille and arrived to a mostly awake camp at 7:45.

After our quick hellos to the gang, a scan to see if we had any takers on our hike, Karl and I headed out with no takers.

I wanted to head up the Stringtown Wash from the east, to see if we could find any sign on the Stringtown Trail #9917. The Prescott Nat. Forest web site description and the PNF GPS track don't come close to agreeing with each other. We did find remnants of the trail starting at about .75 miles from it's Western TH continuing to that spot.

On the Hyde Mountain Trail #6 now, I turn west off the Grapevine Springs Trail #9825 to try something new. The trail name didn't make any sense to me, because the actual spring is to the east and this trail goes to the west off of #6. Checking Sat. views now, it appears there's a faint unofficial trail that goes towards the spring, and what could be a spring box/s .1m off #6, a 1/3rd of the way to the spring location.
Anyway, Karl went up to the top of Hyde to check out the views and we met back up at the lush Brown Spring.

From Brown Spring, we were on a new to me section of the 7up to Hyde Mountain #5 Trail. We went up the saddle and down to the western terminus of this trail by the dry, Camp Wood Tank. We were able to find a blood free route to the top of Pinetop Mountain to check out one of them most elaborate tanks I've seen. This covered tank, uses the roof to funnel the water into the tank. Chumley's math placed it at 22,000 gallons.
FR19 took us off the top of Pinetop Mountain, with it's big views to Juniper Mesa and the Apache Creek Wilderness area we'd be in next.

The 3 mile trek from the Springs to "The Swimmin' Hole", through the water, slots and boulders is the reason we were doing this loop. Wow is this a sweet little off trail jaunt!!
Highly Recommended..... I suppose with a little work you could avoid the water, and like us you'll try for awhile, but don't waste your time. enjoy it!

When we started the day, the skies were blue, with not a single cloud. With only a 30% chance of rain, there was no reason to bring the Chrome Dome, Rain Jacket or waterproof GoPro. Yep we got dumped on and had electric spears thrown at us for almost an hour (back at HAZVille, they did not see a drop).

There was a brief pause where we thought we were in the clear, then a Flash/Boom with zero delay. That was close. 50 yards further up was a Ponderosa that was struck and spewed a 7' section of pine, another 50' away. Based on some of the weather I've hiked in this year, I'm glad I don't have Astraphobia or Ombrophobia... but I should.

With the rain now stopped, we took a dip in "The Swimin' Hole". On the Apache Creek Trail #9905 it was clear sailing back to HAZVille now for some Burgers, Dogs and Barley Pops with the crew.


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Plenty of filterable water the entire length we hiked.

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Spring areas were lush green and water could probably be found. No need though because there was water for the entire length of the Apache Creek

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Enough to filter if needed, creek below was flowing with large holes. Careful of cow activity in the area

dry Camp Wood Tank Dry Dry
Dry as a bone even after recent rains

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Hard to tell where the spring source was with all the water in the area

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7' tall and 30' around filled with filterable water

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Water almost the entire length we hiked next to. Recent rains I'm sure contributed

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Searched for source with no luck. Plenty of water in the wash area, beware of cattle activity.
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Granite Pinetop Apache Loop, AZ 
Granite Pinetop Apache Loop, AZ
 
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking15.93 Miles 2,719 AEG
Hiking15.93 Miles   8 Hrs   59 Mns   2.55 mph
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This area has caught my attention and each successive visit does not disappoint!

I have now hiked the entire length of Apache Creek, from the source at Apache Springs to the confluence with Walnut Creek.

I tried to cut some miles off my hike by driving up FR95B, but despite having hiked it just 6 days earlier, apparently I forgot what a hellish road it really is. I gave up after a mile or so and a tire pressure warning after scraping a sidewall on a really narrow section. Since I didn't want to have to drive out that road on a spare, I decided to park right there and head out.

My first goal was Granite Knob, the most prominent peak in the Wilderness. It ended up being more choked with manzanita than I thought it would, but was still not too bad. The top was fun with a class-4 climb to the summit. No register or any sign of anybody else having been there. Despite not being the highest peak in the area, the views were spectacular.

From the knob, I headed west and up Pinetop Mountain. Along it's flat top, I encountered Pine Trick Tank, by far the most impressive wildlife catchment/cistern/tank setup I have encountered in Arizona. From here a road leads down the mountain, and I followed it for a bit - encountering two bow hunters looking for deer. At the saddle I turned downhill on the old FR9890A road which is nearly non-existant. After a mile, the old road disappeared completely and water appeared in the drainage. I didn't see any actual springs, but groundwater is apparently feeding the surface water here, and has for a while. A bunch of corrals and fences indicate this area was used extensively for grazing in the past.

Downstream from the springs was an adventure of off-trail creek hiking. It's been a wet monsoon, and the creek was flowing nicely. But it is generally shallow, with only some small pools, usually only a couple of feet deep. I did take the time to swim a couple of times when I encountered a pool that was 4-5 feet deep. The creek alternates between some flatter sections and some that drop dramatically, requiring some easy down climbs or short bypasses. There are countless cascades and small waterfalls, and a few 10-foot plus falls. The vegetation is sparse, so it's not at all a fight to get through.

Eventually, I reached the deep pool we had been to last week, and I took the opportunity to jump and swim for a few minutes again before heading the last half mile back to the trail.

I forgot how much uphill this trail is going south. Or maybe I was just tiring after so many off trail miles. I encountered fresh scat on the trail for BOTH bear and kitty. :scared: Hiking alone in this wilderness with the highest concentration of mountain lion in the state, I had my gun holstered at my side all day. If nothing else, it made me feel better.

Ended up hiking the same road back to my truck that I had done exactly a week before, fighting daylight just as we had done last week. This time, my truck was a couple of miles closer, so I was enjoying a beer sooner, and back at camp with a fire going before dark. Not too bad!

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The entirety of Apache Creek was flowing with an estimated 1-3cfs. There is a deep pool at this location (at least 10 feet deep) that appears to contain water all year, even if the creek flow dries up.

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Exact source of springs was not determined but ample surface water appears in the drainage here and was flowing for the entire length of Apache Creek to the confluence with Walnut Creek at the north edge of the Wilderness.

The water has a distinct red tint, but had no offensive flavors when drinking. (Filtered).

It has been a very wet monsoon. I can't be sure that water will exist here during dry seasons.

dry Panther Spring Dry Dry
I was unable to locate this spring. Ample water was flowing in the creek so it wasn't actually dry here, but I don't know if this would be a reliable source of water if the creek was not otherwise flowing.

Panther Spring does not appear on any maps I've seen, so I don't know if it really ever existed here?

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See photoset. This is a 22,000 gallon tank under a large structure to gather rainwater. It was absolutely full.

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Seep with good size pool of water in the grass. Hard to tell what kind of flow it was producing. But plenty of water in adjacent Hyde Creek.
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