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East Clear Creek - Dry Lake Loop - 3 members in 8 triplogs have rated this an average 3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Sep 05 2024
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45 female
 Joined Dec 24 2007
 Ahwatukee, AZ
East Clear Creek - Dry Lake LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Sep 05 2024
LindaAnnTriplogs 2,600
Hiking9.25 Miles 717 AEG
Hiking9.25 Miles   3 Hrs   22 Mns   2.82 mph
717 ft AEG      5 Mns Break
 
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I only had the morning free to hike, but Bruce and I found a suitable hike. We started hiking around 0730 to pleasant temps. Headed north from Dry Lake, which is just a giant mud puddle. Passed by a forest thinning operation, as we made our way to Jones Crossing. From there, we followed East Clear Creek back south. I didn’t even try to keep my feet dry, just walked through the water wherever it didn’t seem too deep. Saw some turkeys, but they were camera shy. The only real elevation gain of the day was climbing from the creek back up to the trailhead, but that was easy too. Nice morning for a hike. Thanks, Bruce, for working with my schedule!
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69 male
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Dry Lake - ECC Loop & the long walk home, AZ 
Dry Lake - ECC Loop & the long walk home, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Sep 05 2024
The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking15.44 Miles 811 AEG
Hiking15.44 Miles   5 Hrs   20 Mns   2.90 mph
811 ft AEG8 LBS Pack
 
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Linda was looking for something away from the furnace and that would fit into her busy schedule.

I had done variations of this loop a few times before and thought it would fit the bill. A beautiful 58 degrees to start, with clear blue skies, birds chirping, and the sound of wood a chippin' in the distance. We would later hike past the crew that was cleaning up slash pines from the recent thinning in the area.

At Jones Crossing, we made the turn south, heading upstream. We tried to keep our feet dry at first but eventually gave up and walked in the water. It was easy walking for the most part, and the loop clicked off pretty quickly. We stopped at the cave, and shortly after, we startled a rafter of turkeys.

We climbed up and out of East Clear Creek via a side canyon with a human-made trail. We finished in plenty of time to get Linda home comfortably at 78 degrees.

I'm not sure what happened after that, but Linda pulled over to the side of the road on the way home and forced me out of the truck. I was left alone and scared. Luckily, I was at the upper trailhead for the Pine Canyon Trail and just walked home with my tail between my legs.

I guess I had a good time.
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[ checklist ]  Dry Lake
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As muddy as ever.
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Jun 12 2021
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40 male
 Joined Mar 01 2018
 Chandler, AZ
East Clear Creek - Dry Lake LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 12 2021
John10sTriplogs 346
Hiking13.80 Miles 1,125 AEG
Hiking13.80 Miles   7 Hrs   53 Mns   2.50 mph
1,125 ft AEG   2 Hrs   22 Mns Break
 
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We planned to hike on the northern side of Flagstaff today, but the Slate Fire forced us to change plans, so we looked for another high elevation option to avoid the heat and came across the recently added guide for East Clear Creek and decided to give that a try. We parked along FR 612 near Dry Lake, which looked murky but had quite a bit of water. We hiked the loop portion of the hike clockwise to Jones Crossing, and there were a few ATVs on the roads and several parked vehicles and tents set up for camping near the crossing.

We left the official route at Jones Crossing and followed the creek bed to the north. It was very easy hiking, with lots of green foliage in the creek bed, but only a occasional pools of water, and the impact of the Coldwater Fire was more visible in that area. We looped back to the south through a drainage and reconnected with the forest roads near McCarty ridge. Around Thicket Tank, we saw a herd of 10-12 elk up ahead through the trees, but they kept their distance. The tank had a little water, but it was very muddy and full of algae, with lots of elk tracks in the mud.

Near the intersection with FR 141, our planned route called for us to leave the road and drop down into East Clear Creek near there, but the canyon walls were very steep. We decided to follow a game trail along the east side of the canyon and kept looking for a good spot to get down into the creek, but we continued to cliff out on a few different attempts to get down. Based on the topo map, it looked like the canyon had a flatter slope further ahead, and we found an easy spot to drop down into the creek about a third of a mile before the cave.

As we approached the cave, we caught up with a group of horseback riders we'd seen down in the creek bed earlier while we were still up above. The cave was a nice feature that exceeded expectations--based on the other triplogs and and pictures, I was expecting little more than a wide crack in the canyon wall, but the cave was large enough to climb around and explore. The entranced extended back and opened up to the right, and then back to the left, where it narrowed too much to continue any farther. The temperature in the cave was at least 15° cooler than the outside air, and we could feel the cool air pouring out as soon as we walked up.

[ youtube video ]

We spent quite a bit of time exploring there before we continued following East Clear Creek. That part of the loop was by far the most scenic and enjoyable of the day, with larger pools of water, more greenery, and beautiful rock outcroppings along the canyon walls. We followed a drainage and looped back along the forest roads to Dry Lake. With minimal water and fire damage along the northern part of the loop, that part of the hike was fairly unremarkable, but the cave and the southern portion of the loop really made it a fun day exploring a new place.

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Decent water depth, but very brown, murky water

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout


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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout
 
Jun 12 2021
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 Joined Apr 28 2018
 Chandler, AZ
East Clear Creek - Dry Lake LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 12 2021
TboneKathyTriplogs 23
Hiking13.80 Miles 1,125 AEG
Hiking13.80 Miles   7 Hrs   53 Mns   2.50 mph
1,125 ft AEG   2 Hrs   22 Mns Break
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No wonder The Eagle keeps returning to this area!
This hike just kept getting better and better along our clockwise route that you can see in john10s’s triplog for the same date.
We parked in view of Dry Tank, which featured the most water in any one spot today. Soon I spotted tiny trackways that I wish I could have spent more time with. But right at the beginning of a 10+ mile day and with 2 partners that you can’t even run to catch up to? A photo had to do.
Variety was the name of the game--FS roads with some ATV company, off-trail, trails, and creek bed.
We enjoyed escaping valley heat in this lovely forest, though it was a bit charred in places. A ghost-like elk herd would flit in and out of our vision, seeming to know when they were at the limit of visibility and hanging out there for a short time, then reappearing, repeating this until each of us had our turn being the first to spot it. Not sure it was always the same elk…
Then the real excitement of the day began. We needed to descend into the creek bed far below. The Eagle’s words played in my head: Find the elk trail down. A safe route, or at least safe enough perhaps. I couldn’t quite recall that part.
One partner doffed his pack and did a reconnaissance on an opening in the brush with a slope that he was sure was as good as we were going to find. He cliffed out.
We continued on, but brush was dense and the slope steep. It was hard for the group to agree on whether to continue on and hope for a break, or retreat.
We’d go a little further.
The second partner set out on another possible route. He got closer to the creekbed, but also cliffed out.
A quarter mile more was all we’d do.
The first partner pulled ahead and we finally heard him calling that he’d found it.
Indeed he had! It wasn’t The Eagle’s elk route; it was farther along. But it was practically a stroll in the park! Well worth waiting for.
The creek bed was a delight. What views!
And then the cave! The half dozen horses and riders were just finishing up there and we were drawn to the cave entrance between lush ferns and by the escaping cooler cave temps.
We were delighted to go much farther than expected, and were treated to great photo ops of little arches, pockets, and passageways.
The good hike turned into a wow hike! We were surprised this gem was not better known.
Thank you Eagle and kingsnake!
 
Jun 03 2021
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63 male
 Joined Dec 20 2010
 Sunnyslope, PHX
East Clear Creek - Dry Lake LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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kingsnakeTriplogs 894
Hiking10.48 Miles 634 AEG
Hiking10.48 Miles   3 Hrs   42 Mns   2.83 mph
634 ft AEG
 
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When I got home from my last hike, my Garmin 62s was missing. Not in the car, not in our house, nowhere. 🔩 me. My wife has Amazon Prime, so I used her account to buy a new GPS. Though it’s out-of-date and — unfortunately — a Garmin, I ordered a 64sx. At least it has the same buttons in the same places. Muscle memory is important.

The next day, I found my Garmin 62s. Of course. 🙄

At least now I am able to set up the 64sx as close as possible to the 62s, and on today’s hike tested them side-by-side for accuracy.

Considering Memorial Day — the traditional beginning of “summer” — was last weekend, I was surprised how few RVs were camped along FR 141. There was nobody at Dry Lake, and only two ATVs rode past my patient wife while I was gone.

In the drainage blow FR 612B, there were quite a few Rocky Mountain iris just before ECC: Mostly violet, but some were pure white.

As I reached East Clear Creek, I almost bumped into someone. He had a clipboard, instead of hiking gear. Turns out he was doing forest research, though I neglected to ask if he was researching trees, critters or flowers.

Speaking of flowers, I found a fair number of species on the East Clear Creek – Dry Lake Loop, but visual coverage was minimal. Small white asters were the most common. Besides avoiding tripping hazards, another reason I pay such close attention to where I am stepping is finding what flowers there are. And that is why, hidden under some grass, I saw a brief glimpse of purple that turned out to be tiny aspen pea [ photo ] . 🔎

Despite my concentration on my footing, travel at the bottom of East Clear Creek was as easy as could be.

The ECC cave looks more like two hills mooshed together to form a slot canyon, than a cave cave. It is much cooler inside, and there is not too much bat or rat poo. I went as far as I could without low-crawling.

I took a short break at Jones Crossing, before I started hiking forest roads back to Dry Lake. Imagine my surprise: I did not see one vehicle the 30 minutes I was on FR 141!

Comparing my old Garmin 62s and new 64sx [ photo ] there are elevations of 7318, 7314 and 7311 — meaning the 64sx isn’t even agreeing with itself! The correct elevation is 7314. The “total ascent” (i.e. AEG) differ by 50%. The actual AEG is 634 ft.

Distance more closely matches, as 11.3 miles (62s) is only 3% less than 11.6 miles (64sx). I attribute the difference to the number of data points each GPS recorded, 1061 (62s) vs. 1715 (64sx). More frequent sampling should be more accurate for distance, but it wasn’t, being off .76 miles to 10.84 (62s) and .83 miles to 10.48 (64sx).

I started hiking at 8:08, taking three 10-minute breaks and shooting numerous photos, before finishing at 1:18 p.m. (A duration of 5:10.) The moving time, stoppage time, and total time — 5:04 (62s) and 4:55 (64sx) — wildly vary. I didn’t think to use my watch’s chronograph for comparison. I’ll do another test next week, when I hike Blue Ridge National Recreation Trail #107 in the White Mountains.

Hike Video: https://vimeo.com/559626173
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Aug 15 2020
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69 male
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Dry Lake ECC Loop, AZ 
Dry Lake ECC Loop, AZ
 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking10.15 Miles 603 AEG
Hiking10.15 Miles   4 Hrs   6 Mns   3.03 mph
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Went out to show my middle son Ben and the dood, some new areas for them.

This was a variation of a few other hikes I'd done in this area, starting at Dry Lake (I've never seen it dry).

Temps were a bit warm at times, but once we got into ECC, there were a few pools to soak a towel and to let the dog cool off.

We had lunch at the cave, which was easily 15 degrees cooler.

Always good hiking with my son.
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Aug 31 2019
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69 male
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Dry Lake ECC McCarthy Ridge Loop, AZ 
Dry Lake ECC McCarthy Ridge Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Aug 31 2019
The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking20.08 Miles 2,566 AEG
Hiking20.08 Miles   7 Hrs   33 Mns   2.74 mph
2,566 ft AEG      13 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
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In the mid 60s to start at Dry Lake, clouds and breeze in the afternoon kept it nice.
This entire hike was off trail, game trail, creek bed and/or forest road.

Starting at Dry Lake, The burn from the May Coldwater fire burn was noticeable. Throughout the loop, there were scattered burned areas from this fire that burned more that 16000 acres.

I entered East Clear Creek at Jones Crossing and started hiking to Blue Ridge Reservoir. The hiking in ECC is some of the easiest Creek bed walking you can get. Once past the intersection with the AZT I kept walking to try to get to where the reservoir begins. When I got to the area that smelled like a peat bog, I know I was close. I started seeing hints of the reservoir, but I was past my turn around time and it was getting pretty muddy.

Passing the AZT on my way back, I saw the only hikers on the day. There were 2 groups crossing ECC as I approached.

I climbed out of the canyon and up to McCarthy Ridge. There I followed some FR's until having to drop back into ECC. I followed the same track as last time to get into ECC get through the cliffs. The Elk know how to get down.

I stopped at the cave for a short break while it was sprinkling out.

My only slight concern for the route I'd drawn, was my planned exit from the canyon. Once again, follow the game trail. Only after getting into to it a bit, I noticed evidence of retaining walls and blazes / old paint on trees. My the elk are handy up here. What was planned to be a steep exit, was a nice gentle marked old trail.

Plenty of groups camping enjoying the Labor Day weekend
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Sep 02 2017
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Potato - Poverty and ECC, AZ 
Potato - Poverty and ECC, AZ
 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking20.16 Miles 1,593 AEG
Hiking20.16 Miles   8 Hrs   15 Mns   2.55 mph
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I needed a leg stretcher in the cool air. I also wanted to check out a few areas I'd not been to before.

I started in the Potato Lake area. I got there early before the busy Labor Day weekend boating traffic showed up. It is a cute little lake that was glass-like when I got there.

Next, I headed for the Dry Lake area, going cross country cross country and using FR's. Dry Lake was not dry, but it's nothing I'd filter from either. Next, a fun, pretty, steepish downhill to the Kinder spring area. In the middle of this open meadow area, was a metal catchment, with some beautifully cool, clear, clean water. Probably piped from Kinder Spring.

On the way to get into East Clear Creek, I stopped at Sherman Tank. I expected something impressive with a name like that, but it was anything but.

I jumped into East Clear Creek at Jones Crossing. Some of the easiest Rim canyon walking I've done. Two miles of mostly well worn game trails until I climbed out, up a canyon that was mostly clear, then up to McCarthy Ridge. I Ran into a hunter scouting for turkey and deer.

The next part was my only concern on what I'd drawn up. I had to drop back down into East Clear Creek and the Topo lines were tight. The first 200' down were not bad, but then I got cliffed out. So I followed a well used game trail that lead me safely, albeit steeply, to the canyon floor. Those elk always know the way. Looking back up to what I'd just come down, I never would have picked that as an UP route.

Another 6ish miles in East Clear Creek on mostly easy walking, until the canyon closed up and I jumped out.
There was an interesting cave area that I checked out also during this section.

I didn't expect to have the rim to myself. There were quite a few people/campers enjoying the long weekend. When I was off the forest roads, I saw no one.

Saw 11 elk in 2 groups.
I also saw a squirrel with cheeks so full of nuts, that he almost tripped on them while running.

Great weather....
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Not dry, but ugly looking water

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Some of the best looking spring water I've seen. In a metal catchment, piped to an opening in the middle of the field

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