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Coon Creek - Lower Canyon Trail - 2 members in 7 triplogs have rated this an average 3.5 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Dec 15 2018
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Coon Creek Adventure, AZ 
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MountainMattTriplogs 530
Hiking13.82 Miles 1,576 AEG
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Found a nice little car camping spot along Coon Creek and made the pleasant stroll to the nearby ruins.
Lots of hunters out on the roads and in the area with OTC archery starting but they don’t get out of their vehicles much and when they do it’s a short distance so for the most part the beautiful land out here is left unspoiled.
Dwellings were amazing and special to see as with every ancient place of inhabitnace.
Overcast and prefect temperatures were ideal the entire day followed by a nice quiet cloudless sky at night.

Sunday
Woke up early to take sunrise photos above Coon Creek at a nice little vantage point and instead of diving right into the riparian paradise I went back to camp to wake up the girlfriend and we returned together for the descent.
I never really found any tread of anything that resembled a “trail” but then again I wasn’t really looking and we stayed directly in the creek bottom for the most part which was rather slow going due to thick sections of reeds and brush.
Not much else to say other than that Coon Creek is truly a thing of beauty and seeing saguaros and running water in the same scene makes me feel some type of way!
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Cottonwoods and sycamores past prime but the alders were rocking!

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A desert riparian dreamland, an abundance of crystal clear flowing water.
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Ruins Near NF-203a and Cook Creek, AZ 
Ruins Near NF-203a and Cook Creek, AZ
 
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HikingBuddyTriplogs 12
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Here’s yet another old, but not too old, hiking journal from Bud. We, 4 hikers from the Friends Hiking Club, were doing a pre-hike for an upcoming Coon Spring Trail #124 hike. Along the way we decided to see if we could find nearby ruins that one of us had heard of. Sure enough we found a coral off of Nf-203a which was supposedly near the ruins. Today, thanks to the CannondaleKid (aka Mark), I found out that the ruins are the Nordhoff-Hope Cliff Dwellings.
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Coon Creek - Lower Canyon TrailGlobe, AZ
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An adventure and a half. Jon, Daisy and I met at Basha's in Gold Canyon around 9:30 AM on Friday, then after stopping for last minute supplies and Subway we were off to the wilderness.

Before turning on to Cherry Creek road we made a stop on the Salt River bridge to check out the rapids. While Daisy went off and did whatever schnauzers do, Jon and I peered upstream and discussed a future trip into the Salt River Canyon Wilderness starting at that bridge. Soon, after taking in the view, we were getting back into our trucks to head back out, when I heard Jon exclaim that something smelled like s***. From my truck, I smelled nothing. He couldn't figure out what it was and even suggested that the truck that had just passed us on the highway had farted (thinking back, that comment makes me lol). After looking at Daisy, however, the source of the smell became apparent- she had gone and found a pile of dung and smeared her face through it. Of course, stringy, matted schnauzer hair is not easy to clean, so Jon ended up pulling out his leatherman and giving her an impromptu haircut, groaning the entire time about how bad it smelled. Meanwhile, I had a great time laughing and taking cell phone pictures. After that mini-adventure we were on our merry way to Coon Creek.

The hike down the creek was super-fun. We stayed on the path some of the way, but spent most of our time in the creek. It got better the closer we got to the river- the canyon narrows in spots and the small waterfalls become more abundant. Finally we got to the mighty Salt River and a perfect campsite under a sycamore, just shy of the river crossing.

When I did this trip in June '09, crossing the river was a cinch. It was almost chest deep in the middle, but still very much crossable because there was no current. This trip was a different story. It was up to my chest almost as soon as I got into the river, then up to my neck after a couple steps. After a failed attempt at crossing we realized we would ahve to change plans. Hiking through Redmond Flats is quite easy, but requires crossing. Any travel on our side of the river would be a different story. Tamarisk galore. And if not tamarisk, then mesquite.

We decided to try and make our way to Chalk Creek, which was about a half mile downstream, and try crossing the river there. It started out as a tree-whack and soon we made our way up the hill and into the desert, traversing a fairly steep, talus slope. I remember saying at one point that what we were doing was pretty stupid- trying to safely repeat this in the dark could be potentially disastrous (the plan was to shoot sunset then return to camp). Once the floodplain increased in size we were able to descend the slope and find a fairly decent game trail through the mesquites and into the bed of Chalk Creek. After thrashing through some more tamarisk and dipping under mesquites we were finally on the shore of the Salt and an easy crossing through some shallow rapids. The entire process of getting from Coon Creek to Chalk Creek took about 45 minutes. Sweet! We crossed the river, climbed up various ridges, and took a series of unsuccessful photos. Scouting for the next trip I suppose.

After we met back up at the rapids, the sun was below the horizon and we had to hurry to get as far as we could before dark. Stupidly, we decided to dive right into the forest of tamarisk and attempt to battle those all the way back to Coon Creek. That was mistake number 2 (#1 being the initial decision to head over to Chalk Creek, knowing we'd be back after dark). For those who have never been in a dense forest of tamarisk after dark, it's like something out of a horror movie. You're lost the second you step through the first tree. We were crawling, climbing, breaking, tearing and constantly getting punched in the face and all over the body by stiff branches. It was pitch black in there and all we could see was the web of branches right in front of us. At one point we emerged at the river and I suggested maybe we could walk the edge of the river downstream rather than battling the trees, so long as it wasn't too deep. I stepped in to test the depth and was immediately chest-deep in the water. So much for staying dry. Finally, while standing in a small clearing of tamarisk (clearing being a space just barely big enough for us both to stand up), we decided that continuing would be pointless and we had to go back to where we started. So, we turned around and thrashed our way back. An hour and a half after starting our hike back to camp, we were back at the rapids next to Chalk Creek. I'm positive we didn't make it more than 300 feet through that forest before turning around.

We spent a couple minutes regaining our composure and discussing what the plan of action would be. Logically, we decided to backtrack the way we had gotten there a few hours prior. Locating the actual bed of Chalk Creek wasn't too difficult, and soon we were making our way up the dry creek. It wasn't long before we were in another dense thicket of vegetation, and dry channels and drainages seemed to start appearing everywhere. Once again we were disoriented and had no idea where to go. Dejected, we turned around and retraced our steps back to the rapids on the river (but not before I fell into the river again, at the same spot I had soaked myself an hour earlier).

We discussed a little bit more and remembered we hadn't actually followed Chalk Creek all the way to the river. At one point we had left the creek bed and done some minor tree-whacking before walking a long, sandy floodplain down to the river. So, we decided to recreate that as our next plan. We headed up the sandy floodplain along what looked like a decent game trail paralleling the tamarisk forest and what we figured was Chalk Creek. Eventually the tamarisk forest took over and our nice path took us right into it. We dipped down into a small drainage and into the forest, over a small hump and into another drainage, then into an impenetrable wall of trees. We turned around to walk the 20 feet back out of the forest and realized we couldn't see our path in. It took us 5 minutes to get back out of what had taken us 10 seconds to get in.

Once back onto the sandy floodplain we had to discuss again. Jon still had momentum, but the claustrophobia of the dark tamarisk forests was starting to get to me, not to mention the impending feeling of hopelessness after getting lost over and over again. It had been two hours, and it was clear the only route back to camp would involve conquering a forest of tamarisk, which up to that point had been impossible.

In my pack I had a sleeping bag, rainfly from my tent, flannel, gloves, beanie, basic survival stuff (compass, lighter, first aid), and two pale ales (which could also fit in the 'basic surival' category ;). Enough for two men and a small dog to make it to daylight. Without the rainfly it would have been a more difficult thing to consider (one sleeping bag?), but with it, it seemed reasonable. The main issue was Jon had given his wife a rather early ETA- he was planning to leave camp before sunrise. Staying near Chalk Creek until it was light out would certainly make him a couple hours late, thus raising some pretty serious concern that he didn't want to make his wife endure. But, I insisted it was the safest bet. As an often solo backpacker, I tend to err way on the side of caution, and my brain kept telling me that we had to balance a stupid decision (staying out there until dark) with a safe decision (staying put until daylight).

We found a decent sandy spot, laid out the rainfly, tied up daisy, and I changed into dry clothes. As I warmed up I was able to relax a bit. We sat and let the idea of staying overnight set in for about 10 minutes before I brought up the possibility of giving it one more shot. It was subconscious at the time, but the change in momentum was what I needed to really clear my thoughts. I think we both needed to accept staying overnight so we could work more intelligently and less frantically to get back to our camp at Coon Creek. After a few more minutes it was certain we were going o try again, so we packed back up (slowly) started off again (slowly). The idea at this point was to make it as far inland as we could without hitting tamarisk, then use a combination of cottonwood waypoints and staying as close to the base of the ridgeline as possible to make it back. We would reach a cottonwood, and if we couldn't see another cottonwood in the distance (or the silhouette of one) we would stay close to the ridge to ensure travel in the proper direction. After fourty-five-or-so minutes of following cottonwoods and the ridge, we were back in the creekbed of Chalk Creek, just downstream from where it narrows into a canyon. Familiar territory! A couple minutes later we found our bootprints from earlier that day. Even more exciting! After that we were able to follow our bootprints all the way until they led back up to the talus slope below the ridgeline. Fortunately, the game trail continued along the floodplain, so we traveled that instead of risking what would be a dangerous traverse in the dark. Eventually we hit more thick tamarisk, but it we were close enough to camp that we only had to deal with it for a couple minutes before we could hear the pleasant trickle of Coon Creek nearby. Before we knew it we emerged from the brush and into Coon Creek and we could see our campsite. Success!

We both got warm clothes on and dipped into the beers while the schnauzer scarfed down all her food. A couple IPAs and a few pales later and we retreated to our sleeping bags.

The next morning Jon left around 6:30AM so he could catch some sporting event or something on that box that shoves advertisements down your throat, while I stayed in my sleeping bag until 10:30AM with some more exploration and another night on the river planned. I had an extremely leisurely morning, as I was thoroughly tuckered from the previous night's adventure. I built a small fire and hung wet clothes over it to dry, ate a slow breakfast, took my time packing up. Finally, around 1:30, I was packed up and ready to return to the rapids near Chalk Creek to properly photograph the area. I started through the tamarisk and my body yelled for me to stop. I tried another route, and another, and my arms and legs just weren't having it. I went up higher and tried the mesquite route- nope. I returned to camp and decided to head up to the ridgeline above the campsite to see if I could gain any decent photo-worthy overhead views from there. Gaining the ridge wasn't bad, but the views were boring, at best. Finally, I decided to head back up the creek and try my hand at more intimate creek shots, which is what I was secretly hoping for the entire time. I just had to justify it.

After a fun hike back I hopped in my truck to head home. Sometime around Gold Canyon I realized that I was still itching for some camping, so I made a quick turn on Peralta Rd and beelined to the Peralta TH. It was about 8PM by then, and I just crashed in the back of my truck. Woke up pre-sunrise and hiked into Barkley Basin to photograph sunrise, thus ending an awesome weekend of adventure.
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Oct 24 2011
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Coon Creek - Lower RuinsGlobe, AZ
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We hiked Lower Coon Creek a month ago with the intention of visiting some ruins but between vague directions and some bad terrain, we never reached them... in fact we never even saw where they were. So, with a day off, Tracey out of town and my Samurai on stands waiting parts I thought I'd give this one another shot. (Yeah, Tracey wanted to see the ruins, but she wasn't too enthused after what we went through last trip so she didn't mind I did this one solo)

This time I had more detailed information, and with a first-hand look the terrain last trip, I marked out a track with only 7 way points of the general direction I planned to take. Rather than follow the creek most of the way and then climb, I climbed up to a ridge and continued relatively parallel to the creek but well above it. The going much easier and by following a game trail every time I found one going the general direction I was taking I made much better time, at least when I was moving... taking pictures is where much of the time was lost.

While on the approach I took photos of the hilltop where I knew the ruins to be but not until I was quite close could I actually make out a few stacked rock walls. Once at the ruins I looked back down on Coon Creek and realized we hadn't seen the ruins from there because we had been in the midst of trees and thick vegetation. For the return trip I planned on dropping down in a NNW direction picking the easiest route to hit the creek and follow it back.

But first I wanted to figure out how the rafters who visited the ruins back in 1992 saw them in the first place, and what route they may have taken. So I continued south below the ruins until reaching a point where it was possible to climb up, but I doubted rafters would have attempted it here. I climbed back up to the ruins and scanned the area for a more likely route up. I tried the first area where there wasn't a steep drop and found although still steep, it was passable, although coming up wouldn't be very easy. Once I got to the bottom, now the problem was fighting through all the very dense brush between the base of the mountain and the shoreline of the Salt River. It's the same type of brush that stopped us last month. But being solo and with more determination I stuck with it and between clipping brush, hacking branches off and just plain bulling my way through I finally broke through to the water's edge. Looking back up toward the ruins it didn't seem the best angle to make them out well so I continued east along the shore until it curved enough to have a better view. But by that time, the only way to make them out would have been with binoculars, or full zoom on the camera.

Ok, now it was time to head back. Knowing how dense the brush was along the river and how much farther it would be to follow the river back to Coon Creek, it didn't take a moment to choose climbing back up. I scanned the shoreline looking for the area where the brush appeared thinnest again once again let nothing stop me from breaking through. I made it through relatively quickly but at the cost of the skin on my forearms. (I was lavish with the aloe lotion upon my return and already today they look much better.) In general each branch of the brush was thinner than Manzanita, but there was more of it and at times it was hard to breath due to all the powdery dust that came off when contacting each piece of brush. My throat feels pretty harsh from it a day later.

Once I broke through the brush I scanned for a wash to begin my climb back up. I was a little east of where I came down and found by continuing up and sticking to the largest wash the going was reasonably easy. Only the last few hundred feet took some very careful foot placement to keep from sliding backwards. Now back on the ridge I headed for a "gateway" break in the fence and from there headed NNW down toward the creek until I reached it. But I realized right away I'd make better time getting just a little ways above the creek and again followed game trails, most of them being javelina trails. I passed through a few javelina dens along the way and while I saw and heard none, the heavy musky odor made it clear they spent plenty of time here. From there I cruised back to the TH with my mission accomplished.

I posted mostly ruin photos on HAZ, the full set will be on my web site:
http://www.changephoenix.com/11/2011-10-24LwrCoonCrkRuins.html
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Original plan was Hell's Hole in the Salome Wilderness but with all the 2-day backpack triplogs we figured it was more than we cared to deal with this hike. So Friday night we looked at alternatives and settled on either Cooper Forks cliff dwellings or possibly Devil's Chasm since Tracey hadn't been there. Thankfully I had one other shorter option as a backup because once we passed through the dense smoke in the Globe area from a fire on Madera Peak (west peak of the Pinals) and then saw the massive smoke plume across the sky toward the east from the Tanner fire in the Sierra Ancha we figured it would be smoky near any of those ruins so decided against them. (And as it turned out the Young Highway was closed so we would not have been able to get into the Salome Wilderness at all.)

Instead we opted for a shorter hike down Lower Coon Creek. We wasted a ton of time on the hike to the Salt River by trying to stay dry, numerous times heading some distance from the creek through cats-claw, cholla, buckthorn, and miscellaneous other brush to stay that way. Once we got to the Salt River we were met by dark brown water and the brush along the bank was thick as can be so we tried climbing up to avoid it. But Tracey wasn't too enthused by the steep terrain or the large boulder-field so we cut it short and headed back.

On the return trip we decided the quickest and easiest course was to just get wet and stay in the creek as much as possible, leaving it only when there was too much debris to get through. Since we were both wearing Tevas that worked out quite well.

Too many photos to choose the best from to post here so at the moment all 70 photos are here:
http://www.changephoenix.com/11/2011-09-24CoonCreek.html
(Included are photos taken from the Redmond Flat and Horseshoe Bend areas on the south side of the Upper Salt River later in the day)
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This was a fun trip to a beautiful and pristine area. My objective was to get to the Salt River Canyon Wilderness, and Coon Creek seemed like relatively easy access that didn't require 4wd. This time of year that isn't entirely the case... The horse trail that weaves in and out of the perennial creek spends a lot of time on the grassy floodplains above the creek, and in the summer those grasses are all dead, dry and painful. This makes for an absolutely miserable hiking experience and the only choice is to stay in the creek the entire time. This isn't too bad except for fallen trees to climb over and under and thick tree-whacking. My speed getting through the creek to the river was less than one mile an hour, especially on the hike back this morning when I was spending more time batting spiderwebs with my poles then actually hiking :yuck: .

Anyhow, the creek dumps you right out into the river with no choice but to cross immediately. This doesn't present much of a problem, though, as long as you're okay with carrying your pack above your head and walking in higher than waist deep water. I welcomed it this trip! (As I approached the crossing yesterday I was shocked to see another group- a man and three children- crossing the river with overnight packs and fishing poles ahead of me. The guy waited up for me and we chatted for a few before we went in our separate ways for the evening. I think he said his name was Kurt... Kurt, if you're on here it was nice meeting you!)

The section of river you arrive at is Redmond Flat. It is pristine and beautiful! I can't even begin to describe the beauty of this area... I camped on the sandy beach in my new bug bivy.

I woke up at 4:30 to catch the sunrise and started hiking back around 8AM. The hike back took about 2 hours.

I'll probably revisit this hike in spring when the grass is all green and pleasant to hike through.
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With (from left to right) Gina, Chris, Shawn, Nancy, John, Clark, and Mike. Randal hiding behind lens. Gina, John and Clark checking out ants.

Trip out to the Sierra Anchas on John's birthday. Lots of us breaking in new Christmas equipment. Although our objective of locating the Indian Ruins was not achieved, did find a small hunk of white quartz with yellow streaks. Can indent the yellow streaks with my keys -- hmmmmmm?

Day ended with a fantastic sunset in constant view as we drove out FR203.

Appreciate hearing from anyone with precise information on locating the ruins (GPS co-ordinates?).
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