cactuscat wrote:Ranger Elyssa brought up some interesting points about this type of activity during a chat before the condor talk at IG ... though she was talking about the relatively normal R2R2R.
She said that so many people are now trying to run the R2R2R, and hiking through the night that restrictions may be put into place ... the hordes of night hiker/runners are disturbing the peace of campers in the corridor campgrounds, and sometimes causing the toilets at Phantom to reach capacity by 5a.m. because 500 people have already passed through.
hikeaz wrote:I have spent time at Phantom many times on the last W/E the North Rim is open (Mid-October) - and witnessed the hundreds of 'R@R-ers' blasting through the Canyon on their 'quest'. Power Bar wrappers, Gu packets and all sorts of other garbage litter the trail - if lucky they stash the trash at the PR trash cans in the canteen (which is for food purchased there - as it goes out by mule). It is as if they think this is a sanctioned race where there are volunteers to clean up after them. And let's not talk about the rest room (over) usage on a system not designed or intended for this daily volume ... or the downhill runners expecting (demanding) the right-of-way (a big no-no - especially in the Canyon).
These comments seem to pinpoint infrequent high volume instances. Are these issues remotely even an issue 8 months out of the year?
Jan, Feb, Mar, June, July, Aug, Nov, Dec
Having stopped by Phantom Ranch twice in May and twice in June of this year alone I never saw any of the above mentioned. We did see hikers and backpackers underprepared and areas of mule piss that resembled stockyards.
I'm not a runner. I believe there are issues. Be honest, some of the issues are being targeted by hate.
If you go Christmas shopping a week before Christmas expect chaos.
Please do not over manage and make everyone get a shopping permit year 'round!