I saw this one listed in Phoenix magazine this month and thought it looked like a good one to get out of the "real" heat. I'm thinking of starting up the Geronimo Trail (240)to West Webber Trail (228), then take FR218 from Milk Ranch Pt. to Dickenson Flat, and finish taking the Turkey Spring Trail (217) back to the TH. I'm guessing it should be in the 11-12 mile range RT. I'll leave my place at 5:30am again.