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Horsethief Canyon Trail #30 - 4 members in 17 triplogs have rated this an average 3.8 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Was looking for something slightly cool with the 100 degree forecast in town, so Horsethief area seemed to fit the bill. There were a couple of trails I wanted to check out. Started at the SW end of Algonquin and took that down into Horsethief Canyon. Wasn't too hard to follow, just missed one switchback, and catclaw wasn't really an issue until the last quarter mile.

Then a brief flat-ish stretch in the canyon, and the steep climb up. Once at the Recreation Trail junctions, I headed east towards Twin Peaks. The first part was nice, but the climb up through the manzanita was kinda meh. Once into the forest it was was more pleasant.

Once back to the roads, I headed over to Kentuck Spring, and up to Horsethief Lookout. This trail was in decent condition. Chilled at the top a couple minutes. I had considered checking out East Fort, but it looked like it was burned to a crisp so I ditched that idea. Headed down Coal Camp Spring "trail", the first couple hundred feet of which offered false promises. It looks like someone started mowing a path through the manzanita, but gave up. The part on the ridge wasn't terrible, but a couple hundred feet of the drop down towards the saddle was straight up bushwhacking through manzanita and other scratchy things. But it eventually started opening up and the last part wasn't too bad, I even managed to find a cairn at one point.

The rest was just on road, headed down to Horsethief Lake, then back up to Algonquin TH. Traffic on the road wasn't too bad until the last mile or so, think I hit the post-lunch rush from CK.

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Lots of pools above the Algonquin junction, only found one stretch with a very slight trickle. Also a pool and a trickle where the Horsethief trail crosses a side drainage a half mile or so from the Recreation trail.
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Had the 23rd off in lieu of Christmas, so I decided to take advantage and check out the Castle Creek Wilderness trails. Started from Poland Viewpoint a little before 11:30am (probably too late to do anything too serious), the descent into Poland Creek was OK. Trail is in decent shape through here, very little catclaw until the lower reaches, where it's still not terribly aggressive...

Algonquin Mine area was a pretty stretch of the canyon.

Trail got a bit more overgrown by the time I got to Horsethief Canyon junction, but still reasonably easy to follow. Got to the steep climb out of the canyon and started questioning why I was doing this, but once gaining the ridge, the grade got somewhat more reasonable.

Eventually got to the junction with the Horsethief Recreation trail, where I had taken a wrong turn ~5 years ago while trying to check out the canyon. When I saw the sign, I understood how I had messed up the last time; it points straight ahead for Horsethief Canyon, but "straight ahead" from where there sign is oriented is the Recreation trail. Possibly they did a rewrite and never bothered fixing the sign?

Horsethief Recreation Trail was quite overgrown in stretches, with a few downed trees to negotiate. I'll bet this area was really nice before the fire. It was also quite chilly up here; there were still patches of snow on the ground, and it was a little windy.

Got to the southern end of Algonquin trail, which I was planning on taking back, but had just under three hours of daylight left. I figured it would most likely only take 2 hours to get back across, but without having seen the southern half of the trail, and being by myself, I decided to play it safe and run the road back.

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Light flow in some stretches. Some just pools.

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Algonquin Trail #225
Top of trail is a semi-washed out luge, not a concern for most. Approaching Poland Creek is starting to get catclaw naggy for about a mile, but still avoidable. Foxtails in various stages look to be a mini nightmare in about a month.

Horsethief Canyon Trail #30
Heading up, we quickly rejoiced that a maintenance crew brushed since our last visit. They took care of the big annoyances, probably as much as the rarely utilized trail will get. It still sports unfavorable grades, loose footing, little shade, and no world-class waterfalls, but I'm a fan.

Twin Peaks Trail #240
The upper portion we hiked is fabulous compared to yesteryear. Cut diameters along the trail range from two to three inches, clearly neglected for many moons. Tread would be considered rough by most. The route wasn't apparent for one fifty-yard stretch. Doubt they worked the lower trail, or it'd be near 5of5 for me.

Waypoints
Collected several* to finetune the Popup Map layout. Getting closer to the future intended functionality for RS Trip Notes.
*points of interest to myself, not helpful like the famous eagle/grasshopper waypoints.

Day in Review
Better than anticipated. Water in the creeks was lifting. Woke up at 4:18 am. Ran out of water about 4:45 pm, with a couple of miles to go. Home 11:40 pm. Cleaned up, hydrated, and coded 'til 2 am. Slept to 4:30 am for another day.
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Expected reflection of the dry conditions. Kinna needed a breather year after back-to-back super bloom years that previously only surfaced once or twice in a decade. Most notable was a droopy patch of Colorado Four O'Clock in the A.M. rejuvenated well past four o'clock!

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Looked full to me

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Light flow in the A.M.
Trickle in the P.M.
Clear and inviting.
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After the enjoyable 25 mile drive in on FR59 (aka Crown King Road), we parked at the Poulan Viewpoint which is the northern TH for the Algonquin #225. The Algonquin Trail has seen some minor clipping, but Joe still describes it as scratchy.

The stretch from Poulan Creek, turning up Horsethief Canyon/Creek and extending to the old Mining structure is one of my favorites. I saw my first rattler of the year here. It was all curled up and never made a noise. Even when Joe walked 6" from it. Once you are at the intersection where the Algonquin heads up hill and Horsethief Trail continues on up canyon, the recent trimming is quiet evident. (And much appreciated).

We were never more than a few miles from water all day. Horsethief Creek was running and or had clear pools the entire way. Even where it crossed the Twin Peaks Trail.

On the climb towards Twin Peaks off of the Senator Highway, Eagle Pond had plenty to filter from also.

At the intersection with Twin Peaks, Joe headed to the peaks to tackle them. I'd done them 11 years ago, so I took a break.

A bit concerned after an hour, I had not seen him, so I headed that way. I was lucky enough to run into him just as he was finishing the off trail portion of his excursion.

Twin Peaks Trail back to the Horsethief Trail, was in good shape. There are a couple of pockets of ponderosa and a few pools of water that I used to soak my neck gator.

Back down at Hrsethief Creek, I picked up the lemon aide I had cached at the creek for the final stretch. We had to be careful where we stepped, to avoid the pockets of bright green oily poison ivy.

A light covering of clouds, breezy conditions and the ability to cool off in the water, kept the temperatures decent on the day.

Always good getting back to the Castle Creek Wilderness.
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I heard there was some trail work done around Horsethief Basin and in the Castle Creek Wilderness, so I was curious to check out the conditions of the trails as well as see how the water was flowing in Horsethief and Poland Creeks. Started at the northern Algonquin TH around 7:30 and went clockwise starting with The Big Dipper.

Algonquin down to the Horsethief Trail junction is wide and clear. Left the trail where it crosses Poland Creek and hopped my way down. One tricky section where the water pools between slippery rock walls. Didn’t want to get wet, so I slid my way across on the south side of the creek. Big Dipper was running pretty good, lots of water in Poland Creek. First time seeing it running, pretty neat. Figure most are waiting a week for the temps to climb to get some swimming in.

Back on Algonquin to Horsethief Trail, which received recent maintenance. Trail is in brilliant shape. Tread is clean and the path is clear. Probably my favorite trail on the day. Steep climb up to big views.

Next was Twin Peaks Trail. Again, recently maintained and in good shape as far as I went. Looped around using Twin Peaks between Horsethief and the 240 TH. Gate is locked to get to the TH, though there’s parking on Senator not too, too far away.

Walked Senator Highway to Kentuck CG, which is no longer a true CG and is day use only. Kentuck trail is in good shape until higher up where it gets a little brushy but never too bad. Stopped at Horsethief Lookout. It’s closed for the pandemic but still offered good views of Lake Pleasant and the surrounding Bradshaws from the windy steps.

Worst part of the day was Coal Camp Spring Trail. One mile of trail from the LO to the road is lost to the forest. Needs to be regraded higher up and cleared the whole way through. Pretty good bushwack for about a mile from the LO to where it reaches the road that goes from Senator/Horsethief Lake to Coal Camp Spring/South Fort.

Road walk to Senator and then down to Horsethief Lake. Bad timing and I got there just as a few other folks pulled up. Had a walk around. Fun, short trail especially where it crosses along the dam. Then again, I’m a sucker for the small mountain lakes.

Three more miles of road walking to the southern Algonquin TH. Algonquin has been recently cleared the whole way and is a dream to follow. Big views as the trail descends. Good tread, no bushwacking. Was worried the whole hike about its condition, but it’s pretty much a highway the entire way now.

Got back down to the creeks and then back up. That final climb is never as bad as it seems. Mostly cloudy day, high 30s to low 50s. Didn’t see anyone besides a few trucks driving on Senator.
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We've done this loop a few times.

Starting at the northern Algonquin 225 TH, The trail drops 1,100' to Poland Creek. This was the first time crossing here, where we had to look for a place to cross to stay dry. Quite a decent flow here. The trail from here to the collapsing cabin / mining shack, is my favorite section. It's now a super highway after recent maintenance.

Maintenance and/or flagging stops at the Horsethief Canyon Trail. It's still relatively easy to follow except for a section 4.7 miles from the start as you start the last climb to the Recreation Trail. The water was flowing the strongest I've seen, the entire length of this trail.

We've had trouble finding the NE Recreation Trail TH in he past. After bushwhacking to the trail, I followed it back to where it met the Horsethief, to be able to update the official track. The Recreation Trail is still there, just tight in spots.

Based on the maintenance to the northern part of of the Algonquin Trail, we had high hopes for the Southern section that starts at the Senator and drops back to Horsethief Creek. No such luck. This trail has such possibilities with the views. Some of my notes.

11.80 miles - 2:29 pm
This trail is bullschmidt

12.36 miles - 3:04 pm
A lot more dead fall than the last time we came down here.
We cleared a bunch, but barely scratched the surface.

Back down to the creek (and manicured trail), all that was left was a peaceful hike along the creek again and the climb to the TH.
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This is for those that prefer to skid in broadside and totally worn out.

Algonquin Trail #225 has three personalities. Heading straight down from FR 259 ( Crown King Road ) the tread is good with occasional naggy pokies. From Poland Creek where most turn to the Big Dipper it is obvious a trail crew put in serious work. 2-6 foot wide freeway almost to Horsethief Canyon Trail #30.

So nice in fact that Bruce started slipping from reality. He spotted Mount Rushmore and plastic flowers.

By extremely lucky chance, we headed up Horsethief Canyon Trail #30. It's steep and pants keep blood loss to a minimum. 6 hrs sleep in two days and the leg warmer attire had me anxious for a pre five mile break. The eagle granted and I was charged back up.

Horsethief Canyon Trail #30
We've had trouble finding the east terminus/origin before and today was no different. Bruce figured it out and vowed to update the Official Route for future hikers. A third of this trail is a brush whack.

FR 52 - Senator Highway
This loop is possible by utilizing the dirt hwy just over 2 miles. Only 1 vehicle on our beat and we lunched 1.5 mile in. Witnessed and picked up some nice mica.

Turn the Record Over
Our return was Algonquin Trail #225 in full. Welcome to the third personality. 3.75 mi / 2,160 ft drop to Horsethief Creek. Not maintained is sugar coating the situation. Disaster. Fear the trail maintenance crew took one look and ran away screaming hell no.

Return of Sanity
We enjoyed the semi maintained #225 for 0.6 mile to the cabin. The super maintained portion spans from the cabin to Poland Creek. 0.22 miles before Poland near Mount Rushmore(gasp) Bruce continued while I changed into shorts. Then enjoyed a run on the maintained trail catching up just before the Poland crossing. We both found the 1.5 mi / 1k ascent to be easier than anticipated.

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Nobody loves the Bradshaws save me. This isn't helping. I look forward to the next hike. Hope the trail maintenance continues!
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Big Dipper
Finally hit the Big Dipper for the first time. Easy to get there with only minor rock hopping. Kept dry easily.
Such a pretty area. The mSD Card in my phone self destructed, so I have no pictures. Hopefully Joe got some.
I can see why this place is popular. We got there early enough in the day that noone was there.

Horsethief Canyon Trail #30
This is a favorite of mine in the area. The creek has been flowing every time I've been there. This trail in the past has seen very little traffic, but it seems to be getting a bit more now.

Recreation Trail #201
I'd remembered this one as being hard to follow. The last time all we had to follow was a trace from the TOPO maps Those are notoriously inaccurate. This trail actually is not all that bad to follow, when you are on it... The track that I posted is spot on for all but the first 100 yards on the east end. I adjusted out our "exploration" and used RM/Satellite predict where it actually starts on the east. It may in fact start a little farther South than I show it.

Senator Highway #52
We had a 2 mile road walk on this to get to the Algonquin Trailhead.
Kind of a busy day with 4x4's, ORV's, and Motorcycles.

Algonquin Trail #225
The start of this one is all but impossible to find without a track. I'm sure the fire took out the old TH sign. This one needs some love. There are numerous downfalls across the trail. Joe and I put a dent it it by clearing the ones we could and adding some appropriate Cairns. There are some real nice views from this one. I saw a red headed wood pecker on this trail.... without a body. :o

Back down by Horsthief Creek we were mostly in the shade w/ a light breeze. Perfect.
4 or 5 other groups had signed in after us, but we saw no one the whole day.

Another very enjoyable day in the Castle Creek Wilderness!
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Check out Bruce's triplog loaded with details!

Still love this loop. We last hiked the exact loop five years ago.

Wore pants on a whim. It would have been brutal without. There is a little catsclaw, not really the issue. The killer brush is shin height, more of a low lying gauntlet of swords. It jabs right through thin pants that ward off catsclaw.
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It seems odd to drive up a mountain to hike down a trail. Just saying.

This was a very cool hike., but I was somewhat trepidacious going into it. My one experience in the Bradshaws (Castle Creek)was a memorable one and made me question the definition of "trail". However, I've been wanting to do some of these trails for a long time and the weather made it seem like the perfect time to do it. When it comes to hiking I have several short comings: I like to go go go, (very little planning), I'm getting old and forgetful, and I'm a man. When I got to the Algonquin TH it was a little after 8:30, but I was still the first one there. This trail doesn't get much use which is truly unfortunate. (It took me about 1:45 minutes to get there and 45 minutes of that I s on the Crown King Rd. I got off at Bloody Basin. I think it's a little faster than the Bumble Bee exit. Road was pretty good with some minor washboarding and some pot holes developing higher up - but easily avoided). The first 1.35 miles of the hike is all down hill. There is a sign in station about .1 miles down the hill, but at the time I visited there was no log to sign. Within a half mile from theTH I was already ](*,) . Can't stand pants when I'm hiking. They just slow me down. However, suspecting the environment I was venturing into I made PLANS to come prepared. If I was going to wear shorts into cat's claw country I needed some clippers to keep them at bay. That was the PLAN at least. I realized about .5 miles into the hike that I left my clippers at home. :(. Being a guy, I did the logical thing and charged on. It really wasn't too bad in most places, I just had to more vigilant and more of a contortionist than I planned. One thing I did remember to take with me was an extra pair of shoes. I knew this was suppose to be a "wet trail" and I was prepared for any fjording I might have to do.

The first river crossing at 1.35 miles wasn't too bad. The water was flowing decently from snow melt, but rocks were positioned so that it was just a hop - skip - and a jump to get to the other side. (However, there were 8 other opportunities to get my feet wet going in, 18 all together). It was about 2.2 miles to get to the cabin with no other water crossings. So unless the water is flowing heavily you should be able to get to the cabin without getting your feet wet. Cabin was showing its age, though I could still envision what it looked like in its prime. The seep was still trickling just to the south of the cabin. If your plan is just to visit the cabin, I would encourage you to go another .2 miles south up and over a hill. In doing so you'll come to a great place to access the water. Not sure what it is like year round, but it was flowing very nicely today! There was quite a bit of open space to enjoy the water and a few mini falls to take in.

Referencing back to my shortcomings. When I go into the wilderness I try to have a downloaded route on my Garmin to aid in route finding. But I also like to challenge myself and try to do the trail without the assistance of the downloaded route. (I think it's a guy thing stemming from the "asking for directions phobia" :D ). As it was, I did a great job following the trail -- bouncing from one side of the river to the other and then back again. Cairns were well placed at all the crossings and it was more a challenge of figuring how to get across without getting my feet wet, than actually finding the trail. There were two times where I changed to my water shoes, but got across dry. There was only one crossing where there really was no alternative except to get my feet wet. I was feeling like a regular Daniel Boone, a Davy Crockett dare I say like a Joe Bartel as I followed my trail across all those crossings and as it started a series of switchbacks that took me from the "raging" rivers to a ridgeline and then on to some sparsely snow covered peaks (primarily on the north sides). It was actually at this point (about 4.25 miles in) when I lost the trail in the snow that I pulled out my Garmin to look at the route. I was devastated to discover that I was off trail by quite a bit and had been for a couple of mile. Confession: My goal today was to do the Algonquin Trail... You'll notice that I am posting this hike under Horsethief Canyon Trail. In my lack of planning I did very little reading about the Algonquin hike and in my mind I had the trail heading east toward Cleator. Obviously I am no Joe Bartel. :lol: I found myself 4+ miles into the Bradshaws on a patchy snow covered trail of unknown designation. And being a guy I did the logical thing... and forged on. With a little bit of trial and error I eventually picked up the trail again as it wrapped east and south around a peak. At about 5.2 miles I reached a split in the trail. I had dilemma. I like to do trails and do them completely. But here I found myself on a trail that I didn't know, I had no idea how long it continued and now there were two of them! What to do? I opted for the trail that started to switchback up the peak I had been rounding, thinking, if nothing else this might allow me to bag a peak. (Upon reading some triplogs, this was probably trail 201). Unfortunately, this just took me to another ridgeline south of the one peak and on towards another taller one. I was exactly 6 miles in when I started to lose the trail in the snow again. At this point I figured this was a good turning around point. It was a little after 1pm (which meant it took me over 4 hours to reach this point). It was evident I was not going to bag a peak quickly and I needed to leave myself enough light to get back to my car.

On the return trip, I threw on my water shoes and didn't even bother trying to stay dry. The crossings were all in about .7 miles of each other so I knew when I could take off my muddy shoes and not have to wonder if I would need them again. I also checked out the 3 metal signs that I had passed on my way in (about the 2.55 mile mark). The metal signs had welded lettering on them that didn't make much sense when I first saw them. They made more sense as I looked at them on my return trip and they are now crystal clear after reading the HAZ triplogs. I now have a very good idea on how Algonquin, Horsethief and 201 fit together. I didn't see any wildlife :( I did pass 2 hikers (a father and a daughter) as I was doing the exit switchbacks. They had gone to the cabin and we're heading back out as well. Left a little blood on the trail, but I had more scrapes than cuts from the cat's claws. Overall a great hike! Look forward to coming back!
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Joe and I are in a small group that are hooked on discovering what the Bradshaws have to offer.

We have a few more trails to discover out there. Today was to find out if the section of trail between the Horsethief Canyon Trail #30, going east, still existed.

For this hike, long pants and a GPS track is helpful. The route is cairned throughout, but gets sketchy at some of the many creek crossings. If you are hiking just the Algonquin to and through the Horsethief Canyon, you will have water opportunities the entire way. For the route we took, we were next to water probably 70% of the time.

Down the Algonquin #225 from the road to Crown King. All of the entries provided warnings to go back and get your long pants. The majority of the hike included knee high grasses/weeds interspersed with catclaw, locust and other things that liked to cling to you. With long pants on all you had too worry about, was the crap that clung to your socks.

You pass the old Algonquin Mine building along the way. This is quite an interesting area. Someone spent a lot of time shoring up the walls that created the road to the mine. Just past here, the Algonquin Trail veers off to the west and the Horsethief Canyon Trail #30, continues to the south. The Horsethief Canyon walls are steep and close to you, adding to the wow factor on this hike. The climb out of the canyon is a steep one. Just south of leaving the Wilderness area, you'll hit the western start of your next trail.

The Twin Peaks #240 Trail was flagged to be cleared by the forest Service, maybe 2 years ago. These flags made it possible to follow this trail. The brush was not too thick except for one section where we lost the flags. I hope they do come back to clear it. Along the way on this trail we found the burned remains of trail sign, indicating trails 800 and 801? (could not read the names) There were cairns going off to the Northeast. I've never heard of these, or seen them on any Topo maps. Sounds like another trip to this area.

On the way down from the Twin Peaks area, I finally checked out and named an unmarked pond, that's had my curiosity the last few times out there.

To round out the first time experience, we went in through the Turney Gulch CG area to pick up the southern end of the Horsefthief Canyon Trail #30. It follows an abandoned FR52F, past the old Rec Hall Ruins? and the old Sewage plant ruins, before finally turning into trail.

Another fun day in the Bradshaws!!

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We headed out with a pleasant 75° forecast into terrain known to be a winner. The drive in showed lush tall green grass blanketing the mountains.

6:55am trailhead
Despite many visits this trail would be difficult to find without the carsonite post hinting the way. Recent record rains have turned this transitional zone into a jungle. Three entries in the register offered a suggestion to wear pants. Bruce advertised the event as "17+ miles and some blood" so luckily I came armed with pants.

The first and last four miles of our lasso loop hike had some unpleasantries. In addition to random catclaw there was miracle grow grass nose high in areas. Three species seemed to dominate. The shorter variety was seeding out. Not itchy just made Italians envy your legs. The minor annoyance was one of the tall hay bundle wannabes. Seeds plumed out in passing. The worst of the worst was a half mile stretch through wet sugar type sticky vegetation.

75° was probably the low, perhaps the forecast should have read 75% humidity...

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The rewards out weighed all the above. Ivy is out of control. Wildflowers had me thinking it was spring. Vertical terrain is the star of the show. Each hike out on the Horsethief Canyon Trail #30, especially heading back, leaves me in awe. It's friggen awesome. I love it, I love it, I love it! Due to the trail condition most will despise this gem never looking up from their feet.

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We finished off the western end of the Twin Peak Trail #240. Albeit 75% evil end to end there is a gift for the persistent hiker. The fire didn't plow the tall pines down. It reminded me of Ballantine above Rock Tank in the southern Mazzies.

Bruce showed me where Denny used to take dance lessons. We yodeled in his honor, square danced with butterflies and headed home.
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Did Joe and Bruce's lasso hike - pretty cool, especially if you like route finding challenges. Horsethief Canyon had isolated trickle flows between reasonably clean pools. If you want to visit this rugged stretch of the Bradshaws you should do it soon, as nature is hard at work erasing some of these little-used trails.
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I'm bringing a group camping to the Turney Gulch Campground soon. I have found very little info online so I thought I'd go check it out and today was the day!

Horsethief Basin is a bit off the beaten path, to say the least. I drive a prius so 34 miles of dirt road that is mostly recommended for 'high-clearance vehicles only' is not something I do every day. The road however was fine. There were a few dicey spots but, for the most part, moving slow did the trick and my car made it unscathed. Hopefully, it will make the subsequent trip as easily.

If you do this journey, be sure to allow PLENTY of time for the drive. Even if your vehicle is made to handle the road, it is narrow in many spots (1 lane) and there are quite a few blind turns so it's important to take it slow.

I want to be sure to take my campers on a hike, of course, and Horsethief Canyon Trail #30 seemed like it might be a good fit.

Directions that I found to the trailhead said to "drive" on to 52F but you'll see from the pics that the road is not really usable so it's best to park near the playground from the campground.

Finding the trailhead alone was a little bit of an adventure but with a little persistence and faith, it did turn up.

The trail is not maintained and is a little overgrown but thanks to the many cairns marking the trail, I was able to find my way without too much difficulty.

There were oodles of lizards & birds. Bees kept me company the entire way. Other than a few squirrels, no other animals of note. There were a few interesting tracks found in the mud, however.

The views in the Castle Creek Wilderness were spectacular despite, and at times, because of the forest fire that overtook that area.

Cairns were apparently a little more noticeable on the way in than on the way out. I lost the trail briefly once or twice on the way back out. A litle looking around got me right back on track. My advice? be sure to stope and look around frequently! It makes a big difference in finding your way home. ;)
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The Algonquin Trail #225 has been on my "To Do" list for quite some time now. I kept putting it off because I thought the entire trail looked like the Southern TH. I had nightmares of head high catclaw and climbing over 100's of burned fallen trees. Today was the day and decided to make it a loop and pull in a couple of other little traveled trails up there (Horse Thief Canyon #30 & Recreation Trail #201).

First of all, the road to Crown King was in the best shape I have ever seen it. This made the 25 miles of driving off of I-17 much more pleasant than in the past. We hit the TH at a smidge after 7am and were the first car there. I'd always read the stories of how painful the drop down the Algonquin Trail to Poland Creek was (More importantly, the trek back up). It was not as bad as expected. Poland creek was running nicely and surprisingly, Horse Thief creek was even nicer. There were a few spots on the way to the Horse Thief / Algonquin intersection, where the trail was thin, but following the trail and catclaw was not bad at all. The trip up Horse Thief as well was not bad, but finding the Recreation 201 trail would be near impossible with out GPS. If you are doing it with out GPS, hang a right up the hill at the Castle Creek wilderness sign and follow the fence line. That will get you close and you should cross the faint trail in spots. It's only a short 1.6 miles on this until you reach FR52.

From this point you have a 2.2 mile road slog. Something to cover your mouth would be handy on this section because of the smattering of car, quad, and motorcycle traffic. The road is quite dusty.

Now you turn on the Algonquin Trail again to start the hike back. This section is 6 miles and drops from 6,900' to 4,400' into Poland Creek. This part of the hike reminds me of the Wilderness of Rocks trail down in Tucson.

If you do this loop, it is suggested to do it Clockwise. The Algonquin Trail drops about 2,000' in 2 miles and is steep and loose in spots. I would not want to climb up this.

On the feared climb out of Poland Creek to the trailhead we saw a Black-tailed buzzworm sunning himself in the middle of the trail. We waited a bit and talked to another hiker that had just come back from the Big Dipper. The hike up was nothing like what I'd feared. It really was not bad at all.

I'm glad to have this one knocked off my list. The Creeks and the Cabin area were way cool, as well as the ruggedness of this little traveled area. This is a very nice hike, in temps 25 degrees cooler than the valley. Thanks to Joe for joining me on this one. Whine factor today was in full force.
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Bruce threw together this loop and I was excited to see some new terrain in the Bradshaws. While at the same time expecting horrid catclaw based on our Twin Peaks loop last June, in addition to what others have reported.

This turned out to be a nice loop. The worst overgrowth is from Poland Creek for a mile or so to a tributary of Horsethief where #30 ascends out of the creek. To be honest it really isn't that bad. I didn't come home blood nor scratched up. Being the jewel views of the hike your attention is diverted anyhow.

The cabin area was cool. We looked around for the mine without success. Did find some mining equipment. While Bruce went for another look I realized sitting by the cabin it may be more of a workshop. The door on the end has a huge pipe making it a sliding door. The construction is metal too. Gotta check up on the history. Very cool that spring seeps out under the tree next to the structure.

I was surprised to see Horsethief Creek flowing mid May in this dryer than normal year. Such a cool area that nobody seems to checkout. Heading up on #30 we lucked out as it was flagged maybe a year ago for a good portion going up and cairned along the way. While the fire damage is sad, it still offers great views. This is a true rugged mountain loop with very apparent mountain grades. It must have been phenomenal before the fire. The trail is trenching in steep parts due to uncontrolled runoff, yet I've seen worse in the Phoenix Preserves.

With only one hour sleep due to some unknown site outage issue I was dragging big time once we hit trail #201. 201 is pretty much gone and would not have been possible without Bruce's GPS route. Our loop had a little road walk in the middle that I looked forward to relaxing. Of course it was all up hill...lol

Shortly onto the upper Algonquin Trail Bruce found a shady spot for lunch. I was beat and desperately needing the break and food. Refueled, finally heading down and the ibuprofen circulating I started feeling better. Once again the views are awesome. This trail wasn't a bad bushwhack either. It does head straight down without switchbacks on unsure footing. Sections have survived the fire giving you hints of yesteryears.

We finished this one up with some nice shady stretches. The dreaded climb out lacked the pain we feared most and this hike turned out much better than I anticipated. Thanks Bruce!

Wildflowers where moderate throughout with some substantial areas. Not large flowers that photograph well with point and shoot cameras. Beautiful to view in person.

Looking back it's been just over 10 years since I hiked from this Algonquin trailhead to the Big Dipper. Until I read over my notes just now I forgot all about a bad experience. The Big Dipper page is titled "Mean Fall". I didn't fully explain out of pride or something. On that trip I was jumping boulder to boulder and slipped backwards falling on my hip and hitting my head to unconsciousness. Not sure how long I was out. Seems like it was around a half hour. Then I woke up dazed and in an odd position partially submerged. Apparently luck was on my side that day!
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Now out of the Recreational brush and on an actual trail, I decided to keep going until nightfall and find a good camp spot hopefully near water. The trail looked well traveled and semi-recently maintained- cut back and wide enough for two. It was also cairned heavily along the way. The old topo and the posted route would have kept me off of this easy path and in the thickets higher up.
I made it to the first unnamed creek in no time and found it trickling and still holding some nice pools. I contemplated camping here but thought with the light left and the trail so hospitable, I would press my luck at the next creek over. Unfortunately the trail began petering out as it continued up and along the ridge. By keeping my feet in the high grass I was sometimes able to make out the overgrown trail but the further along I went, the more it disappeared. At the point where route, map, and path all dictated a downward commitment, it was just following drainage courses down the steep hillside. A scramble would be too nice of a word for what ensued. I was trying to keep on the stable rocks but many turned on me trying to goad me into following them on what they touted as a faster path. I gave up persisting in the correct path, even as random cairns appeared and I skied down random old waterways. I can't imagine attempting an upward assault on this side of the hill. The light was fading fast but I could see the water steadily growing closer. I paused a few times to reassure my mind I was just overexerted and not panicking. I finally made it down on my own terms and well off any map lines that entered downstream. The good thing was I had spotted a great pool that looked like it had a small beach on the way down, so I hiked a hair upstream further to check it out. With a little rock rooting, I made a great bed in the soft silt two feet off the water and still had room for a small fire ring. I gathered a little dry wood from the immediate area in the almost dark, and lit up my accommodations to begin dinner and to ward off the early animals visitors. A private party creek dip after dinner and I was ready for the moon to see me to sleep.
The next morning I woke to the buzzing of yellow jackets quite interested in the leaves of the tree next to me. I stayed brave in my bag for as long as I could but then figured it was morning enough to begin breakfast on the other side of my pool. I got going again shortly after and decided to stay in the creek for as long as I could, giving up on the route completely. Still no animals but a fair amount of tracks including bear in the soft soil.
After rock hopping a ways, I came to the confluence (I really like saying this word for some reason- really, it's on my fun list of words I try to insert it all the time into everyday conversations) at the real Horsethief Canyon and found a decent waterfall that told my backpacked self that I shall not pass, so I had to back track a smidge and get up the hill and around.
More ghost cairns appeared in drainage shoots down the other side until I got to the creek and what the old topo iconed as the Algonquin Trail beginning. With a little searching I found a trail and cairns popped up everywhere as I walked in the tall grass between the creek beds. Near an old pen fence I lost it and moved towards the main creek where I gave up again trying to regain it. I headed downstream admiring the much prettier surroundings and better waterflow and pools. I saw that the mapped route climbed out again before the next...confluence and figured it was probably due to another unnavigable fall, so I refilled my water and looked and found the way out. The detour switchbacks weren't bad and were quite short and in no time I was close to the creek again and next to the old mining cabin. The creek pools got larger and deeper below as I made my way onto the old road along side. I was excited to see the road in the distance thinking my footsteps would be easier until I was actually on it and the catclaw began to thorn rape my legs. Halfway through the unshaded and unseasonably hot "trail," I joked out loud, "Well, Michael, maybe we should turn around and go back," and that was when the only other hiker of the trip, relaxing on the creek below heard and hailed up to me and my hiking partner. I thought about shouting ahead, "What? No you keep going I'm going to talk to this guy and then catch up," but the many times being caught talking to myself on seemingly empty grocery isles has weaned me (us) of that prideful behavior.
We shouted for awhile, about where I had come from, and then him telling me he had tried the Algonquin with his wife from the top only to lose the trail, have to set up camp and then give in and hike back out. He mentioned some catclaw but the ones still holding me in their embrace all the while during our discussion assured me this man had no idea what real catclaw love was.
I struggled free and plodded on and was refreshed to see Poland Creek coming into view. The last part of the old road that hovers over Poland seems immune to overgrowth and a nice flat camp spot can be found. I hiked down, took off my heavy pack and rolled my tattered pad out under a rock outcrop for some napping. I woke to find I still had 3hrs before I should see my Big Dipper companions so I left a note and my large pack and small packed it down to the confluence and large pool I had passed above. Poland was almost completely fry until this feed hit but the deeper pools still held strong. I got into the water found a nice submerged seat and continued my read in All The Pretty Horses (man as macho as that book can be that title seems uber-gay out loud) for a few hours until I heard the brother-in-law's voice on the ziplocked 2-way.
He made it to me and I found out everyone had canceled except his mentor kid (Mentee). It was still ok since neither of them had been to the Dipper before so I led them on down without too much frustration.
The long swim had turned into what we called the poop channel ("All poop, All the time") and we were able to wade through it. The stinky mud wanted our shoes as souvenirs, especially the part towards the end that had no water but still sunk you in a good foot. Black and sloppy, our slippery steps continued the rest of the short way to the now just trickling fall. To my great surprise, the Dipper was only down maybe 6 inches which is nothing to for the depth that lies beneath. The water wasn't as cold as it was in April but it was still chilly out of the sun. We stayed for a goodish amount of time and then hiked back so that we could make it to the climb out before 6:30 so we weren't rock hopping by flashlight. I was saddened to see that even the trail to the creek here was thorny, of course I didn't care at this point because my damage was already done. We made it up in 50 minutes with lights on the last half, then drove down the hill for home and In and Out.
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