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Upper Devil's - Round 2

Reports of 12-18 inches of snow turned out to be not so bad. It may have topped a foot at worst but was typically 2 to 6 inches and ice capped when present. After the torture treatment in Boynton's Backyard recently in the snow I picked up some waffle stompers at the REI clearance sale.

The weather was pretty nice and the feared winds never materialized. I was excited to see Joel again after a long hiatus and finally hike with jj3. After a rare four hours sleep pre-hike I was pumped to get out. Bruce had some reservations on the conditions but seemed game.

I don't wear boots much as trail runners are so comfy. Since this wasn't going to be a 20 or 30 mile outing I thought I might be okay. While awesome for the feet these are the highest boots I've ever used. After three miles they started to rub 2-4 inches above my ankle caps. I lucked out as jlp had brought an extra pair of shoes. I wore these in the canyon jaunts and likely would not have been able to continue without! Aside from a self inflicted shin wound all was going good.

Game plan "A" fizzled out and was pretty dangerous in spots. jj3 wanted to experiment with a native american ladder but that didn't seem like it was going to pan out. We jumped the ridge to plan "B" to bypass the bad stuff. This turned out to have some hope. For Bruce and myself it just seemed to iffy and given the time of day we decided to stop. Expecting the others to be about two to three hours we headed up to a sunny spot for lunch.

Heading up and out of the "concern" area I had my arms fully extended while scrolling across some terrain. I slipped and nearly face planted with only a foot to fall. With my arms extended my right shoulder popped like I've never heard and scared the pumpkin outta me. Bruce thinks it popped out and right back in. Seems about right as it's just extremely sore. I can still raise it above my head (albeit slowly) so it should be good in a few days I hope.

The rest of the group returned much quicker than anticipated as they ran into more trouble. So it was back to the trailhead. Heading out of the canyon only took a fraction of the time it took getting down. Looking at our GPS route is almost laughable as it looks like we didn't even enter the canyons for hours on end...lol

I wore the waffle stompers once out of the canyons again. I knew it would hurt but also wanted to advance the wearing in stage. Although we didn't write off any goals the weather was awesome, the company was top notch and the wounds will heal. jj3 treated us all to an excellent dinner in Globe! Hope to see Joel before that soon to be new born is off to college!
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Try 2 and 3 to find a doable route to the Devils Chasm Ruins.
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How I spent my day with the 4-J's (John, John, Joel, Joe)

Weather and Conditions, turned out to be just about perfect. Winds were calm, the snow that we were told we would run into, even before the Closed/Locked Gate a Workman Creek Campsite, was not there. The gate is closed at this point every year from Dec 15 to Mar 31. http://hikearizona.com/photo.php?ZIP=235935
This added a little more than 5 miles to our hike. There was snow on the road above the Falls, but luckily for us, both walking in (Temps in the mid 30's) and coming back (after a day in the 50's) we had little trouble walking on top of the Snow. The Moody Point trail also had snow until you got down 800' or so in elevation.

Since our previous attempt last year falling .1 mile short of the ruins, we had been checking TOPO maps to find another route down. With two possible traced tracks loaded in our GPS's, we headed back to the Abyss.

This type of hiking is not for everyone.
Once dropping off the edge of the cliff, you make your way down very steep, loose, scree filled drainage's. "Lookout Rock" is frequently heard. You have to be very sure of your hand and foot holds, the alternative does not lend positive results. :o

The first canyon we went down, we got stopped at a 30' drop. JohnLP scoured the cliffs awhile for other possibilities, to no avail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htzvAodXR48&list=UUcAm2CHlpbDrwYRrjYvcHUA&index=2&feature=plcp
.4 mile from the Ruins as the Crow flies.

So it was back up and on to try #2 for the day. We worked our way over to the next Canyon South East of our first try on the day. The views from up here are top notch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS5_OjDckLM&list=UUcAm2CHlpbDrwYRrjYvcHUA&index=1&feature=plcp
It wasn't going to badly, but I finally got to a point where I was not comfortable with what was below. John, John, and Joel continued on a bit further, while Joe and myself climbed a bit higher to find a sunnier spot for some lunch. This time we got a littler closer, but still .3 miles away if you were a crow.

The walk out on the Moody Point trail and down the Forrest road to the truck was not as bad as we expected it to be. We figured with the warmer temps for the day, the snow would be melting and we'd be post holing all the way back. That was not the case and the mud was not bad either.

A big thanks to Joel : app : for driving and JJ3 for Dinner in Globe... :FG:

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Double failed attempts at reaching the Devils Chasm ruins from above. Saw a lot of cool stuff and had great company. Bruce had his tongue well chisled for the verbal assault on poor defenseless Joe. Joel, on the other hand, received nothing but compliments all day. :whistle: Thanks Joel for driving and John for dinner. You guys rock!
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Good times and great company. Sometimes the journey is more important than the goal especially when it's thwarted twice in one hike. :) There was interesting banter through out the hike. I got plenty of advice on my future impending parenthood and how my life will change. (It's essentially over.) :sl: The weather was perfect and the scenery was awesome! The hiking in some spots was challenging enough to get and keep my attention. :o I don't think this will be an annual escapade as I think we've exhausted the possible routes, but it was good to see and hike with John(lp), Bruce, and Joe again. Good meeting John(jjiii)thanks for dinner by the way. BTW the reports from Pleasant Valley district were wrong. The gate Bruce pictured is right below Workman Creek falls. I didn't even have to put the truck in 4 wheel drive. Had the gate not been closed we could have driven beyond Moody Point trail head parking. There was snow which was hard on the way in and although it softened with the 50+ degree temps we did not post hole on the way back.
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An awesome attempt at Devils Chasm from above. Attempt is the key word because we didn't make it to the ruins as we kept cliffing out. The effort, the trip and the group however made for a fun day and a great adventure. Joel thanks for driving! This hike was a treat for me!
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This is the second day of our backpack/overnight into Devils Chasm. (see other posting for our night photo shoot of the ruins).We woke up sunday morning and retraced our night walk to the dwelling climb out. Our very first steps up canyon started with a blank look at the giant boulders at the climb out and thoughts of how do we get past these??? that describes most of the hike. Before I get too far into this I would like say that during this hike we kept wondering what we were thinking, afterwards we were all glad we did it,we had a great time. By Greg's GPS we only traveled .6 of a mile but that took 1.5hrs. to get to a dead end!!!! Its all choked with rocks, boulders, sticks, and logs. Many times we were sure it would never end. Its wednesday and my legs are still hurting from the weekend.just after starting up canyon we got a view of the dwelling, I believe this is the only place to see the dwelling from the canyon bottom and probably only in the winter when the leaves have fallen. Lots of color up there this time of year, a very weird glow under all that gold . We passed the area on the right that bart01 and joe bartels were traversing to try to get to see the ruin earlier this year and although we didnt purposely try to find a way up there I did look with that in mind and decided that would be a bad idea either trying to climb up or down from above. nothing is impossible if you want to try hard enough but for a normal hike its not gonna happen. After working the boulder field we topped out into a narrow shear walled part of the canyon, I'm sure this was the 250 foot drop that bart01 and joe bartels talked about. the width of this section was about 25feet.the length was maybe 100yards flat straight,only small rocks.It looked like a super hiway after what it took to get there. At the end if this was a steep choked boulder strewn section that was impassable, I tried to take a few pics to show this but they don't show it very accurately, (zero chance a hiker can climb up there) and to make things worse there was an area beyond that we couldnt get a photograph of that looked even steeper and probably just as high, couldnt confirm that it was impassable because of the distance but I'll bet 50 bucks thats its not. My feeling about hiking the length of Devils Chasm is that the only way would be from top to bottom with rapelling gear and even then I wouldnt do it unless you come up from the bottom to see what your up against. We had a great time doing this and we only regretted it while we were doing it. Everbody stops at the dwelling but this is great add on, especially if you didnt spend the previous day hauling full backpacks up canyon.
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Joe and I had been talking about this for awhile, it just so happened that Bart01 (Joel) mentioned he wanted to do it also. The recent trip by Johnnie and Glutz stirred up the need to do this, so we started putting a plan into motion.

We scoped out Google Earth and Topo maps to see what made the best sense. You can do all the map reading you want to, but you just aren't going to know until you get your feet on the ground and start plodding away.

Starting from the Moody TH, the Moody Point trail, and armed with some potential drop in points, I took us down to an area that looked feasible and dropped into the Canyon and followed the wash for the most part. There was some deadfall and trees to go through, but it really wasn't all that bad. Some of the maples showed a hint of changing color, but for the most part all was green down there.

For the most part you are going through maples and doing some down climbing and boulder hopping to get down. All was going real well and we started getting the feeling that we are going to get there pretty easily. At the .7 mile mark from dropping into the canyon, Joe yelled back "Did you guys bring a 400' rope?". At this point we could no longer follow the wash down as it dropped off about 250' to the canyon floor below. At this point by our GPS, we were only about 1/4 mile from the Ruins. We decide to go higher on the North wall of the canyon to try and get closer and at the very least get a view of the Ruins. We slowly bushwhacked our way around through thick underbrush and loose rocks, to a point at the Base of a 40' rock spire. Here we were .1 of a mile from the ruins and could not see them... Pumpkin... We knew they had to be nestled just around the corner, but no luck.

From this spire, it appeared that there was a possible route down, dropping straight south to get to the canyon floor. It would be a steep scramble down, and a steep scramble back up. After assessing our options, energy level, time of day, we retreated with our tails between our legs.

Got to see a Black Rattler on the way out.
Hopefully Joel's picture turned out better than mine.

Joe had control of the Video Camera again today....
Enjoy his view of the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOiMxePABMU
(The first few snips are of the Workman Creek Falls on the way in)


I still had a great time out there. Bart01 (Joel) good to finally meet you and thanks for driving!
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Close, just not close enough. Still one more upper route that needs to be adventured, to be continued...
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Headed out from my house 6 am. Driving past A Cross road turn off on the 288 toward our destination we saw something descending through the air. There was some discussion as to wether it was a hang glider or a motorized ultralight and where it might land. As we rounded a corner it landed right in front of the Truck. Next thing I know there was a wild eyed hitchhiker with a bunch of helium balloons bumming a ride so Bruce and I picked him up and gave him a ride to the trailhead, but only because he said it was his birthday and had the balloons to prove it. :sl: We started out down the trail following the options Bruce had researched and plotted. I'm pretty sure I was the first to draw blood during this trip. Descending into the canyon. I noted Bruce testing a log and stepping over carefully. As I stepped over the same log the footing under my weight gave way and needless to say I passed Bruce and Joe both all at once. Falling headfirst I somehow managed to land laying on my back with my feet downhill. Joe said something about seeing a yellow shirt and jacket or pack go by, but was still in disbelief that there was a person attached. A little blood, but no hike ending injuries plus I was no longer at the back of the pack breathing in metabolism fumes. :D We wandered through some thick vegetation and followed the wash all the way to the cliff soaking up the shade and scenery. I was half wondering the logic in getting to the ruins and the hike from below not taking into account hiking back up or the eventual realization that we would not make it all the way down. :( Hiked all the way to the spire and could view a dry waterfall and the ledges that I believed were below and to the right of the ruins when looking up from below. Joe pm'd a picture after the hike of someone at the ruins taken from below with what appeared to be the same dry waterfall to the right of them. I'm not sure if the route down from our turning point would have gotten us down and back up safely especially after all of the bushwacking to get to that point. Hindsight is 20/20 and I kind of wish I at least took a look. It's tough getting that close and not reaching your goal. Of course it's tougher getting summit fever and having to evac. an injured person. I would be interested in hearing from someone visiting from below and following the wash up beyond the ruins to the spire we pictured to see if there is any access up before the canyon becomes narrow with shear walls. We headed back to the smooth rock and ate lunch in the shade and headed out the way we came. We came upon an alcove with evidence of charring. Bruce and I decided to take a closer look and were rewarded with a nice rattlesnake sighting. Good company and great scenery laughs throughout. I never get tired of hiking this area. :y: Oh and it is very obvious that Bruce and Joe spend way too much time together. :lol: Fyi no butterflies were injured during the butterfly sequence. (see Bruce's Photoset)
Almost forgot a couple of youtube videos for those who want to see the real Joe in his natural environment and an interesting worm of somekind. Both are short. Had a Blast!

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Well, I've gotta hand it to my hiking buddy Johnnie, he keeps dragging me to awesome hikes throughout Arizona, in fact, Labor Day weekend 2010, we're doing Keet Seel, stay tuned for picts and triplog...
This time around, we were playing Christopher Columbus... we were looking for passage to Devil's Chasm Ruins from the west. We had scouted the area a month before and decided we would love to get an east looking upper vista view of the Devil's Chasm Ruins. So after much GPS orienteering, and map viewing, we were sure which canyon was which and we decided the best route would be to veer off from Moody Point trail and head to the edge of the Canyon...but I'm getting ahead of myself.
The forest service site:
http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/tonto/wildernes ... ndex.shtml

has a nice interactive map that shows the various trails and their numbers and names, although the descriptions are a bit light, this area is rugged but awesome for hiking!
We spent the night @ Reynolds Creek Group campground with several of our Chandler-Gilbert YMCA Adventure Princess friends and headed out for Workman Creek at 8:00a.
We arrived @ the Murphy Ranch gate and the TrailHead for Trail 141 at approximately 8:45a, loaded up and started our hike @ 9:00a whereupon we headed downhill, dropping about 1,000 feet in a mile and a half, at which point we ended up at the junction of Trails 139,140 and 141. We headed to the right toward Hunt spring. The trail is relatively level hiking, and fairly easy to follow, although it did not appear to be very well traveled of late, although that could be due to the abundance of plant growth.
After another mile and a half we hit another junction of trails, this junction was that of the "Main Moody Point trail", ie the trail that starts at the Moody Point Trailhead, right off FR487a, near the ranger house, and the Rim Trail Tr 139 I believe. The sign at this junction was deceptive in that it indicated it was a mere 1 mile hike to the Moody point trailhead, we liked that as we had already traveled over 2 1/2 miles to reach the current point so we figured on the way back we would hit the Moody point trailhead and be on a level road for hiking back to the truck...but more on that later. We continued to the left heading toward Moody point.
We paused at the "head" to what we convinced ourselves was Devils Chasm Canyon, to see if we could spot "the ruins" lo and behold, using my Nikon 10x36 binos, I spied some ruins, although Johnnie's recall was better than mine as he pointed out that was not the "famous Devils Chasm Ruins Main House" that we had hiked to almost exactly 1 year ago...ah rightly so, but ruins none the less...we were on the right trail.
After about a mile "DevilsSideTr" we veered off trail to the north in hopes of sighting Devils Chasm, but alas the pronounced spire outcropping about 100yds. to the west of the Devil's Chasm main house blocked our view.
We traveled eastward another mile or so and again veered off trail to our left "DevilSidetr2", or North for those who are following this. We weren't actually shooting in the dark, I had waypoints of the Devils Chasm Ruins in my GPS from our previous hike there last September, and whenever the ruins waypoint appeared 90 degrees to my left, we determined that would be a good time to veer off trail to our left. We actually traveled a bit further, east as we knew we had to get past that rock spire for any chance of viewing the ruins. Note there appears to be a "peninsula like mountain between Moody point and the cliff face that the Devil's Chasm ruins are located on, so be sure you go as far east as you can on "Moody Point Mountain" before heading north.
On this second attempt we were successful. We scrambled down the side of Moody Pt about 1/4 mile and were rewarded with an awesome inspiring view of the Devil's Chasm Ruin Main House. During lunch and we actually sighted another ruin about 300 yds east of the Devil's Chasm Main House ruin. We had not remembered this being mentioned in any literature or sights and we thought we might have run across something new, upon our return we did some more searching and found mention of this second ruin several places, from our vantage point and using binoculars we could see timbers and fairly in tact walls, definitely something to explore next time we travel to Devil's Chasm Ruins Main house. We enjoyed the impressive views of the ruins and headed back at about 1:00p
Upon reaching the junction of the Moody Point trail and the Rim Trail we were seduced by what we thought was going to be a 1 mile hike to the road and then back to the truck, we figured we'd be to the truck by 2:30p at the latest. The trail was awesome meandering thru fern covered valleys and knolls, the ferns being knee-high to waist high, which made the trail all but invisible, but we weren't concerned we were @ 7,000 feet and there was a light sprinkle. Well soon enough the sprinkle turned into a downpour. In fact, it poured so hard, we gave up our manly "we don't need no stinkin' protection" attitude and donned our rain ponchos. I had loaded up my new packback with lost of extraneous equipment as I was using this as a shakedown for the upcoming Keet Seel hike. The rain continued for about an hour, I was reminded of the scene from Jurassic Park, where Denis Nedry the computer nerd played by Wayne Knight was taking the dinosaur eggs in the shaving cream can to the dock to sell them and it was muddy and he ran the jeep off the road and the tiny dinosaurs were spitting at him and he kept wiping his eyes and couldn't see....yep that was us, all that was missing was the vicious little dinosaurs...and in fact, mother nature did not disappoint, as she threw a near catastrophic wrench at us, well me anyway...I was in the lead and we were at about 6,800 feet, slip-sliding up a 30 degree incline, walking thru knee-high ferns that made the trail all but invisible, when all of a sudden Johnnie yelled for me to stop, at that point I heard what I thought were grasshoppers or cicadas...not so my friends...apparently unbeknownst to me I had just been "struck at" by a very agitated 4 foot long Arizona Black Rattlesnake, Johnnie had seen the entire scene unfold as he was about 5 feet behind me and he had an angled viewing vantage thru the ferns, the snake was about a foot off the trail and I startled it as I went by and he attempted to exact a toll, fortunately he missed and retreated to a log about 2 feet off the trail. He was very distressed as he was rattling away for a good 10 minutes...whew dodged a bullet on that one as my brother in law, the cop, would have said! Sometimes its better to be lucky than good! That would have made for a miserable time, as at that point in time we were about 3 1/2 miles from the truck and 50 miles and 2 1/2 hours from Globe. See picture #8 from Johnnie's latest photoset for Devil's Chasm to see this impressive specimen of Arizona wildlife. We thought we were too high in elevation for rattlesnakes...plus it was cold and raining, not in my mind prime rattlesnake weather or locale. Well we were quite careful for the remainder of our hike which turned out to be not 1 mile like the marker indicated but closer to 2 miles and by then we had traveled pretty far west from the truck so we still had another 2 miles to hike to get to the truck after we reached the Moody Point trailhead...all in all about a 10 mile that took us 7 hrs. total time, but figure 2 hrs. for photo ops. The hike included a total vertical elevation change of probably 3,000 feet. Beautiful scenery, awesome adrenalin packed adventure! Very nice trail...but watch out for snakes. In 40 years of hiking in the southwest: Arizona and New Mexico, that is the closest I have come to being a snake bite statistic.
Now that we've seen the ruins from above, our next plan is to go to the start of Devil's Chasm Canyon and see if there is anyway to get down to the ruins from the west, we also might try hiking up Devil's Chasm Canyon past the ruins and see how far we can get...ah not enough weekends in a year!
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We---Brian and I---decided to try to get into an arm of Devils Chasm from above. We studied the map and noted some contour lines that might get us by the steep cliffs common to the Sierra Ancha. We camped the night at the TH for Moody Point, then drove toward the Lookout, taking the road that branches off to the right and dead ends at a picturesque ranch, private property. This is the TH for the Murphy Ranch trail and another that heads toward Reynolds Creek. We followed the ranch trail, in good shape with lots of downed trees to climb over and under, but easily followed, and you could see some trail maintenance of the past. In a while of zigzagging through the partially burned off pine forest it tees into the Rim trail. We hung a right and followed that to where it went by an interesting and deep side canyon with vertical walls. We left the trail there and headed toward a little point with a bulge inward of the main canyon walls. Here we found a steep but treed gully heading down. Fortunately we found an animal trail to help us with the steep downhill, a knee buster. It soon became brushy, with some still colorful maples. The drainage became more defined and soon we were descending step like little dry waterfalls. We contoured out some but the steepness drove us back in. We came to the canyon bottom just above an awesome about 75 foot pouroff in a rock slit.
We took our packs off here to explore up canyon. Again some fall color,little pools and grand walls rising. To go downcanyon we had to do a cliffside traverse to the right LDC.
We elected to stay high and traverse along a cliff base to look for ruins and or caves. We found a nice overhang which had a small area of formations but because the room didn't go back far enough to be out of total sunlight it does not meet the cave definition. I took some photos nonetheless. The bushwacking was truely brutal but had the upside of us finding masses of grapevines with little grapes very sweet and tasty so we soon had purple hands and tongues.
We reversed our route and took a slightly harder route out through some unstable talus slopes. We found some bear dens, evidenced by many old piles of scat and some broken brush indicating the transit of large animals in the area. One den was secreted by bushes and a very nice level low alcove some 20 feet in length. Would make an incredible bad weather campsite ( except for the bears).

This little trek took most of the day, due to the terrain, but quite a beautiful area and one I would like to visit again. The elevation I noted is one way, and is mostly lost/gained in about 2 miles of the hike.
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