username
X
password
register
for free!
help
ArticlesGuidesRoutes
 
Photosets
 
 Comments
triplogs   photosets   labels comments more
Tapeats Spring - 6 members in 8 triplogs have rated this an average 4.7 ( 1 to 5 best )
8 triplogs
login for filter options
Oct 21 2022
avatar

 Guides 59
 Routes 1,100
 Photos 1,191
 Triplogs 1,290

male
 Joined Jan 01 2023
 Arizona
Upper Tapeats, AZ 
Upper Tapeats, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Oct 21 2022
pseudalpineTriplogs 1,290
Hiking3.81 Miles 1,384 AEG
Hiking3.81 Miles   4 Hrs      1.18 mph
1,384 ft AEG      46 Mns Break
 
no photosets
1st trip
Linked   linked  
Partners none no partners
A mellow second day frolicking in the cold Upper Tapeats Creek pools!
  5 archives
Oct 19 2022
avatar

 Guides 3
 Routes 633
 Photos 8,249
 Triplogs 605

54 male
 Joined Apr 13 2011
 Gilbert, AZ
Thunder River & Deer Creek Loop, AZ 
Thunder River & Deer Creek Loop, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Oct 19 2022
ddgrunningTriplogs 605
Backpack39.81 Miles 12,760 AEG
Backpack39.81 Miles5 Days   4 Hrs   25 Mns   
12,760 ft AEG
 
1st trip
I had been angling for a permit to hike the Royal Arch route, but with the access issues, I decided to put in for a return trip to Thunder River and Deer Creek. We did this loop with a few of our younger kids several years ago, but this time, I added two more days to the schedule, for a more relaxed pace, and an opportunity to hike the off-trail route to Tapeats Spring.

I invited my oldest daughter--now a mom of three herself, to join me for a father-daughter adventure. She has often complained that she missed out on the really cool family hikes we've done because she left home before the younger kids were old enough for us to take on many ambitious adventures. So, it was something of a "make-up" trip. I also invited a good friend and GC hiking companion, whose youngest daughter also joined. Then, somewhat last minute, my wife came down with a case of FOMO and decided she wanted in after all. Luckily, getting an extra spot on the permit was as easy as a call to the BCO (which also adjusted our itinerary to get us what I considered the ideal camping spots :y: ).

Day 0--Drive to the TH and Camp on the Rim: Four of us drove up to Jacob Lake, where we rendezvoused with my daughter, who drove down from Utah. We parked her car at the Kaiabab Lodge (with the owner's permission) and headed off towards the Bill Hall TH.

The temperatures had been relatively warm and many of the aspens were still looking green and leafy. On our return a week later, not so much ...

The drive out to Crazy Jug Point was uneventful, and the roads were in good condition. At the four-way intersection just before Crazy Jug Point, we turned right to find the sweet camp spot right on the edge of the rim. Unfortunately, it was already taken, so we continued on towards the TH, where there are two other nice pull outs for camping (but with the views of the canyon more obstructed by trees). We set up camp in one of these, then drove back to Crazy Jug Point and hiked down a bit to enjoy a beautiful sunset. Once there, we wished we had set up camp at the nice camping spot next to the parking area for CJ Point. Oh well.

We enjoyed a cool night, but with a blazing campfire for company!

Day 1 Bill Hall TH to Upper Tapeats: Woke early and drove the 1/2 mile or so to the TH. Several cars in the parking area. Off we went, starting with the counterintuitive uphill climb to the drop in spot at Monument Point. The initial descent was as steep and rocky as I remember. With a little more familiarity with the landscape, I looked down on the Tapeats Amphitheater, eyeing what would be the off-trail destination for Day 2--Tapeats Spring.

Rounding the corner below Monument Point offers the equivalent of the South Kaibab "Ooh Ah" Point, where the Esplanade comes into view, along with miles and miles of zig-zagging Canyon, heading off towards Havasupai and beyond, with Mt. Trumbull providing some contour to the north rim landscape.

The "tricky" downclimb at about 1.5 miles was fine, generally requiring handing down packs. That was followed by another steep drop via dozens of short switchbacks, which we dubbed "squiggle-backs," until reaching the junction with the Thunder River trail at the edge of the Esplanade.

As we crossed the Esplanade, we cached water for our night 5 camp and continued on. the Esplanade is a very cool, Sedona-like area, and I was excited to return and enjoy the Esplanade a little more fully than can be taken in during a crossing on the way to somewhere else.

At the south edge of the Esplanade, we stopped for lunch and looked down on the most desolate area of the trip--Surprise Valley. We wondered where the name came from and speculated that, with all of the amazing surrounding territory, the desolation of the valley was "surprising." Turns out that the name was actually tied to John Wesley Powell's second expedition, when the crew's photographer, E. O. Beaman, "accidentally" stumbled upon the Deer Creek valley. Per some authorities, and for unknown reasons, the U. S. Geological Survey moved the map location around 1960 to its current inaccurate location between Deer Creek and Thunder River. http://www.allhikers.com/Other/Grand-Ca ... ames.htm#S.

Anywhoo, we descended the rocky route down into the Valley and hung a left at the trail junction. At this point, I began thinking of the NAU student, Bryce Gillies, who died near here in July 2009 after erroneously following the route down the Bonita Creek drainage and getting cliffed out, instead of continuing over to the Thunder River drainage. I remember reading about this tragedy and wondering how he could have made that mistake. But after hiking it this time, I can definitely see why--first, the trail across Surprise Valley to Thunder River requires going both UPHILL and AWAY from the Colorado River--both of which would seem very counterintuitive, if one didn't know better.

Luckily, we knew better and headed away and uphill, eventually coming into earshot and then seeing Thunder River pouring out of the side of the canyon wall like a giant faucet, several hundred feet below. It is truly an amazing sight.

We hung out at the falls/spring for awhile and then finished our descent into the Upper Tapeats campground, securing the large camping spot. Surprisingly, we had no company in the campground and only passed one other set of hikers the entire day. We would stay here for two nights.

No marauding mice, but I did make the mistake of putting a fresh apple at the bottom of my ratsack, and a ringtail spent a good chunk of time overnight nibbling tiny very tiny bites out of it through the small metal mesh. :-/

Day 2--Rest Day OR Tapeats Spring: On day 2, my buddy and I had our eyes on making our way up to Tapeats Spring. Our two daughters were up for some exploration up Tapeats Creek, but turned around after about a mile up canyon. My wife was content to take the day off and relax and read around camp. After turning up the Tapeats drainage at about 1.5 miles from camp, the going gets rough--and sketchy (which is saying something on this hike, where the trail portions can get pretty sketchy).

After a lot of hard work and a lot more up and down than I was anticipating (crossing boulder slides and side drainages), we made it to the spring. Very cool area, where once again the creek literally emerges from the rock. It's not as spectacular an exit as Thunder Spring, but still worth a visit.

It took us about 4 hours to cover the 3.2 miles from camp. The return trip was not as long or strenuous, but honestly, going down was more nerve-wracking than going up. Thankfully, we navigated it all well and arrived back at camp by late afternoon.

Another pleasant night on in the campground.

Day 3--Upper Tapeats to 135 mi. Rapid: Day three was a short jaunt down to a camp on the River at 135 mile rapids. We played in the creek and hung out at the confluence of Tapeats Creek and the Colorado, watching rafters and kayakers run the rapids. Several NPS rafts were tied up at the confluence, and a team had headed up creek to scope out a replacement for the bathroom facilities at Upper Tapeats. The remaining crew were relaxing at the river. I chatted with them and they graciously filled our water bladders for our dry camp that night (the River was silty).

As planned, we camped at 135 mile rapid. It was more rocky than last time and we wished we had set up camp at a nice, but small beach a little further up river.

Day 4--River to Deer Creek: I got up early on Day 4 and wandered down towards Granite Narrows to watch the sun rise. It was a beautiful morning. After breakfast, we packed up and headed over to Deer Creek. There is some solid uphill climbing to get to the saddle before descending back to the Deer Creek drainage.

Given the short distance, we arrived fairly early and headed up to snag the large campsite on Deer Creek. After setting up camp and eating lunch, we headed back downstream to the Patio, Narrows, and Deer Creek Falls. All were a major highlight of the trip, though the Patio was swarming with rafters on our way down--probably about 25-30 people lounging in the area.

When we got to the falls, there were about 15 rafts or dories tied up. Luckily, while the rafters were at the Patio, we enjoyed the falls in relative solitude. Then, when we headed back to camp, the rafters had all retreated and we had the patio to ourselves in the late afternoon.

That night, after we hit the hay, it started raining--and it continued raining all night long, literally 6-7 hours non-stop. Thankfully, the storm tuckered out by the time we got up in the morning, and we didn't have to hike in the rain or set up/take down camp in the rain. We did note by looking across the canyon at the south rim that there was snow at the higher elevations.

Day 5--Deer Creek to Esplanade: We shared the Deer Creek camping area with two other groups. In the morning, we packed up and headed out for our biggest climbing day--first up to Surprise Valley and then up to the Esplanade. Along the way, we stopped at the now-dry Deer Spring, and hung out and relaxed in the "Throne Room," which has around a dozen or so "thrones."

We arrived at our camping spot on the Esplanade by mid-late afternoon. It was chilly, with a stiff breeze whipping up the wind-chill factor. We adjusted our camping location to take advantage of some natural wind breaks. The wind mostly died down around sunset, which was spectacular, with the clouds providing an amazing backdrop, and the water-filled potholes on the Esplanade reflecting all of the light.

Before bed, the breeze kicked in a bit and wafted down some brief snow flakes (but nothing that stuck). We went to bed at 7 and stayed in the tents for a good 12 hours. :-) My daughter (and mom to 3 boys--5, 3, and 2) said she got more sleep on our backpacking trip than she's had in years!

Day 6--Esplanade Out: Our last day was a relatively short (but steep) hike out to the TH. We passed a couple of groups and asked about road conditions. Apparently, the rain from the prior night dropped 4-5 inches of snow on the rim, but all reports were that he roads were okay. Once at the TH, we found snow on the car and icicles hanging from the bumper. The drive out was fine, but there were more ruts and an occasional slight fishtail here and there.

Once back on the main road to Jacob Lake, we found the aspens to have quickly shed their leaves and winter had set in. We had hoped to catch a shower at the Kaibab Camper Village, only to find that they had closed for the season one week earlier. :-( We stopped at Jacob Lake for a hot meal, and then headed to public showers near the Marble Canyon Lodge. I give them a one-star rating--one was too hot; another too cold; and a couple that just ate quarters without any shower at all. Despite that, we managed to get relatively clean and had an uneventful return to civilization--and an inbox with about 700 emails in it. Welcome back to reality!
_____________________
  1 archive
Oct 08 2021
avatar

 Routes 8
 Photos 2,243
 Triplogs 204

38 male
 Joined Mar 07 2009
 Colorado Springs
Thunder River loop, AZ 
Thunder River loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Oct 08 2021
ultrazonaTriplogs 204
Hiking13.00 Miles 4,260 AEG
Hiking13.00 Miles4 Days         
4,260 ft AEG
 no routes
1st trip
Fall colors popping on the rim. Did loop clockwise. Lots of pools on Espande. Attempted hike up Tapeats to cave, but ran out of time (overgrown/slow going), probably need the better part of a day. Thunder River Trail, Deer Creek Trail and parts of Tapeats Creek have washouts and need some repair. Took full lower route from lower Tapeats to Deer Creek. One section of lower route (past Western junction with Upper Route) has a narrow ledge and exposure (see photos). All toilets at mass capacity! Lots of road closures in area, consult FS before planning route. Route from Fredonia in great shape.
foliage observationfoliage observationfoliage observationfoliage observationfoliage observation
Autumn Foliage Observation Light
Light below the rim. Peaking up took in areas.
_____________________
  2 archives
Oct 29 2020
avatar

 Guides 59
 Routes 1,100
 Photos 1,191
 Triplogs 1,290

male
 Joined Jan 01 2023
 Arizona
Tapeats SpringNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 29 2020
pseudalpineTriplogs 1,290
Hiking6.22 Miles 1,690 AEG
Hiking6.22 Miles
1,690 ft AEG
 
no photosets
1st trip
Linked   none no linked trail guides
Partners none no partners
  2 archives
Oct 12 2016
avatar

 Guides 37
 Routes 556
 Photos 10,872
 Triplogs 1,052

43 male
 Joined Jan 21 2013
 AZ
Bill Hall TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
Backpack avatar Oct 12 2016
FOTGTriplogs 1,052
Backpack36.42 Miles 9,015 AEG
Backpack36.42 Miles3 Days         
9,015 ft AEG
 
This was the main reason for my week long trip to the north rim and it did not disappoint. This backpack had been on my mind for a few years now. My permit was for four days, however, I was ok with returning a day earlier, as I had already had a very eventful fall break.

Day one was a pretty standard hike down Bill Hall and the Deer Creek Trail. I really enjoyed the esplanade portion of the hike and think that this section of trail may get overlooked a little because of the attractions at the CO and along Thunder and Tapeats. However, I think its right up with them, in terms of scenery and beauty. Only two people at the Deer Creek site so that was nice. I was a little surprised at how rugged and steep the drop was into Deer Creek was, but I kind of enjoyed it and put it on par with other more rugged descents, such as Boucher. The narrows of Deer Creek were absolutely amazing and rival the attraction of the falls in my opinion. The only issue was the dozen or so rafters lounging around the narrows, makes for poor photos. It made me think, that the real threats to the canyon's treasures and solitude are not from the foot traffic on the rim, but the traffic coming up from the river. I kept chuckling to myself about how different the partying schlubs beached on the narrows and down by the falls were in comparison to the characters I was reading about in The Emerald Mile. I ended up being pretty beat, despite the modest day and was in bed not to long after the sunset.

On day two I took the traditional route back to Tapeats Creek and had my camp set up in the AV9 use area pretty early in the morning. I spent the rest of the afternoon exploring Tapeats Creek and it was simply amazing on so many levels. I got back to camp reeling with some adrenaline from the awesome day, but it quickly wore off and I was in bed again very shortly after sunset. The moon kept it pretty well lit in my area for most of the night and the temps were nearly perfect, as I never even crawled into my bag. I made the wet hike back to the Thunder River Trail the next morning, stopped for some pictures of the waterfalls and took some long breaks on the way up to soak it all in. I had to walk a little over a mile to get back to my campsite, but there waiting for me safe and sound was Jackie and the pups, so all was well.

A tremendous area, a tremendous hike and maybe my most memorable trip in the canyon to date!
 Geology
 Geology [ checklist ]
[ checklist ]  Cave popcorn
_____________________
  6 archives
Oct 18 2014
avatar

 Guides 94
 Routes 842
 Photos 22,068
 Triplogs 1,994

52 male
 Joined Sep 18 2002
 Tempe, AZ
Tapeats SpringNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 18 2014
chumleyTriplogs 1,994
Hiking6.21 Miles 1,690 AEG
Hiking6.21 Miles   5 Hrs   38 Mns   1.10 mph
1,690 ft AEG
 
1st trip
Linked   none no linked trail guides
Partners partners
BiFrost
John9L
After chickening out on the sketchy climbing section trying to get into the Thunder River cave, Tapeats was the goal. It was easily the highlight of our Deer Creek/Thunder River trip! :D

We took our "off day" and headed up to Tapeats Cave. Wow. Just wow. :y:

The first 1.5 miles on the east/west portion of the creek is a dream. The creek flow was strong, but crossings were not more than thigh deep and negotiating them was ok with slow and careful footing. The water was quite cold, but not terrible. The scenery is indescribably awesome.

Once the creek turned to the north and we headed toward the redwall and Tapeats Spring 1000-feet higher, the real chore began. It's steep, bouldery, scrambly, and basically all the things that defeated the purpose of our rest day. It took an hour to cover the first 1.5 miles, and two hours to cover the next 1.5 miles. This trip is an absolute killer for anybody who has already been backpacking for a few days. :stretch:

But the rewards are astonishing. I'll let the photos tell the story.
foliage observationfoliage observationfoliage observationfoliage observationfoliage observation
Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Tapeats Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Probably a few hundred gallons per minute :)

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Thunder River Medium flow Medium flow
I'd say heavy flow compared to any other creeks in the Grand Canyon, but since it was crossable I'll stick to medium. It's all relative.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Thunder Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Lol.
_____________________
I'm not sure what my spirit animal is, but I'm confident it has rabies.
  1 archive
Oct 18 2014
avatar

 Guides 6
 Routes 183
 Photos 5,612
 Triplogs 1,647

male
 Joined Mar 12 2004
 Scottsdale, AZ
Tapeats SpringNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 18 2014
John9LTriplogs 1,647
Hiking6.21 Miles 1,690 AEG
Hiking6.21 Miles   5 Hrs   38 Mns   1.10 mph
1,690 ft AEG
 no routes
1st trip
Linked   none no linked trail guides
Partners partners
BiFrost
chumley
We had a rest day on the third day of a four day backpacking trip to Thunder River / Deer Creek. I was undecided on what I wanted to do. Part of me wanted to head back down to the Colorado River with Tough Boots for a relatively relaxing day. The other part of me wanted the adventure of heading up canyon to see Tapeats Spring with Chumley and Bifrost. After some internal debate I decided to go for the adventure part and I’m glad I did!

We left Upper Tapeats Camp around 9:30am and crossed Tapeats Creek at the confluence with Thunder River. This is the highest crossing we had to do and the water came up to my thighs. We had to be careful not to get pushed over in the strong current. It was fine and we started making our way to the east. This section is a mixture of trail, creek crossings and brush. We made decent speed as we looked for the easiest route possible. We passed two campsites that would be good for future reference. We continued on heading east.

After roughly an hour we neared the junction for Tapeats Spring. We turned to the north and started heading up. The route immediately becomes more difficult as you have to traverse on the east side of the creek. There is an established route the whole way but it can be a challenge to follow. You need to navigate across the creek several times and there is a large rock fall you literally climb over early on. There were a couple of sections that were confusing and sucked up time as we looked for the best route possible. We stacked some cairns on the return to help future groups.

After a half mile the route climbs up the east side away from the river. This section is a challenge as the terrain is sloped and the footing is very loose. I will admit I was borderline uncomfortable with some of this. There is plenty of exposure. It’s not the type to kill you. It’s more likely to send you home in a helicopter. We persevered on and headed toward the spring. Another thing with this route is I didn’t know what to expect. I figured there would be a spring similar to Thunder River but not as grand. I had no idea where this route ended and that was daunting at times.

Karl led the final push that led us to the cave opening. Right as we walked up we saw a group of cavers who were just finishing up. They told us about the cave and recommended we take a look around. We took our packs off and signed the cave register and then headed in. Tapeats Cave heads straight back. There are a few branches off the main chamber but they don’t go far. There is an easy eight foot climb we did and headed farther back. We then wrapped around a small pool and entered a large chamber with water flowing. Our headlamps could only illuminate so much. We wish we had more lumens. Chumley took a few pics and we did our best to “paint” the walls with our headlamps. Afterward we took a moment to shut our lights off and be surrounded in total darkness. It was a bit unnerving! Soon after we made our return to the entrance. This cave was such a thrill and treat to explore. We could have gone farther in had we been wearing helmets and wet suits. I highly recommend Tapeats Cave!

Our return flew by. The going was much easier as we headed back down canyon. All the tricky spots were much easier on the descent and we had no route finding issues. We got back to camp sometime around 3pm and told the others of our adventure. Thanks Chumley for coming up with this plan on our rest day. I’m really glad I joined you and Karl for this one!
 Geology
 Geology [ checklist ]
[ checklist ]  Redwall Limestone
 Named place
 Named place [ checklist ]
[ checklist ]  Tapeats Spring
foliage observationfoliage observationfoliage observationfoliage observationfoliage observation
Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
_____________________
  1 archive
Oct 18 2014
avatar

 Guides 4
 Routes 491
 Photos 10,890
 Triplogs 1,257

55 male
 Joined Nov 20 2012
 Phoenix, AZ
Tapeats SpringNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 18 2014
BiFrostTriplogs 1,257
Hiking6.21 Miles 1,690 AEG
Hiking6.21 Miles   5 Hrs   38 Mns   1.10 mph
1,690 ft AEG
 no routes
1st trip
Linked   none no linked trail guides
Partners partners
chumley
John9L
Tapeats Cave was a real treat from start to finish. Very cool sections between Thunder River confluence and where the route turns to the north towards the cave. The flow through this section is awesome...so much water and nice narrows where we had to navigate river crossings multiple times. However after the turn to the north the route gets much more difficult with steep scree slopes, loose rocks and some route finding but still great views of the redwall and Tapeats Canyon below. Near the top of the canyon we finally reached the cave and were rewarded for the effort.

When we arrived at the cave opening a small group was exiting the cave and gave us some good information about some of the passages, rooms, and water inside cave. We proceeded into the cave and awed by the flowing river and large pools inside the cave. Really awesome to see this area and the cave experience was something I've never seen before :y:
foliage observationfoliage observationfoliage observationfoliage observationfoliage observation
Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
_____________________
  2 archives
average hiking speed 1.12 mph

WARNING! Hiking and outdoor related sports can be dangerous. Be responsible and prepare for the trip. Study the area you are entering and plan accordingly. Dress for the current and unexpected weather changes. Take plenty of water. Never go alone. Make an itinerary with your plan(s), route(s), destination(s) and expected return time. Give your itinerary to trusted family and/or friends.

helpcommentissue

end of page marker