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May 04 2024
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 Joined Mar 01 2018
 Chandler, AZ
Mazatzal Doll Baby Ruins and Red Hills, AZ 
Mazatzal Doll Baby Ruins and Red Hills, AZ
 
Hiking avatar May 04 2024
John10sTriplogs 346
Hiking15.94 Miles 4,218 AEG
Hiking15.94 Miles   8 Hrs   40 Mns   2.06 mph
4,218 ft AEG      56 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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We returned to the Mazatzals today for the second time in three weeks. This was my first time starting from Doll Baby TH, and the road was in good shape on the drive in--just two shallow water crossings and some deep ruts on the part of the road that crosses Doll Baby Ranch. There was one other vehicle parked at the trailhead, and the temp was in the mid-50s and very comfortable when we set out.

Our first stop was the main ruins site on the red cliffs. It's labeled on the topo map, so it's not surprising that it gets a lot of traffic--there was an obvious, cairned use trail branching off FR 406. But it was an impressive site, with tall perimeter walls and outlines of a few interior rooms, and it's in a beautiful spot near the edge of the cliff overlooking the Verde River below. The big vertical slab of rock sticking up in one of the doorways is odd...not sure what purpose that served other than sealing off a doorway or if that's a modern addition.

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We explored the site for a while and returned to the road, continuing to the Verde River shortcut to connect with Saddle Ridge/Bull Spring/Red Hills. After a short break at Copper Mountain, we continued on Bull Spring as it started the steady climb. I made the Brush Trail intersection my turnaround point to leave some time to visit a smaller ruin site back near the trailhead on the way out.

We stopped for lunch in the shade near the gate/turnoff for the the cliff ruins, and a truck pulling a trailer drove up from the trailhead and passed us--the only people I saw all day. Once we were further down, TboneKathy returned to the trailhead while I left the road and started following the route that @Oregon_Hiker and Grasshopper took ~10 years ago to see the small (almost certainly non-ancient) rock wall on a rock outcropping en route to an overlook across from a small, second ruin site on a larger outcropping.

I'd seen close-up pictures of the site and knew it wasn't anything spectacular, but I still wanted to try to get over there, and by that time backtracking through all the brush I'd already endured was unappealing, so I continued past the overlook/turnaround point on their route and followed the ridge until I could drop down and cross the ravine and access the ridge with the ruin. The brush was relentless, right up to the rocks walls. As expected, I didn't find any pottery, just the whitish walls along the edge of the cliff, but it was satisfying to get up there and avoid backtracking.

I dropped down off the east side of the ridge and headed straight for the trailhead ~3/4 mile away. That was a very scratchy and unpleasant bushwhack through catclaw, manzanita, and various sharp stuff. At times, it felt like one of those nightmares where you keep moving but don't seem to go anywhere--especially frustrating when the trailhead is so close down below but feels so far away...it was a relief to finally get out of that mess. Ruin site #2 definitely has a very low reward/effort ratio...I don't see any enjoyable way to get up there, and TboneKathy had no regrets about skipping that part of the hike.

Despite that unpleasantness at the end, it was a good day--a new part of the Mazatzals for both of us, great weather and scenery, and plenty of solitude. And we saw a few colorful birds near the river in the morning, two small snakes on the road/trail later on, plus a few elk in Payson on the drive in.
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A small pools where the East Verde River Shortcut trail crosses the canyon

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Didn't check spring source directly, but light flow of water across Red Hills Trail below the spring
 
Dec 01 2021
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31 male
 Joined Jun 02 2019
 Phoenix, AZ
Red Hills Loop, AZ 
Red Hills Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Dec 01 2021
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Hiking22.44 Miles 4,833 AEG
Hiking22.44 Miles   7 Hrs   57 Mns   3.35 mph
4,833 ft AEG   1 Hour   15 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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For my first trip to Doll Baby TH, I chose the most popular loop and destination. I looped the full length of the Red Hills AZT section with Mazatzal Divide Trail, and visited the "Spanish Ruins" along its track. I did alter the loop slightly, making the trip down to the river via the LF East Verde Shortcut Trail instead of hiking the road to Bull Spring Trail. Started at 7am and went ccw.

Should have went a week earlier for the yellow sea of cottonwoods and sycamores around Doll Baby and along Bull Spring Trail. Better luck next year. Road walked to the ruins turnoff. The trail up to the clifftop is obvious, wide, well-cairned. I'd make the trip for the cliff overlook as soon as for the ruins, though they were more interesting than I expected. Nearly 6ft tall, lots of rooms, and killer views toward Doll Baby, North Peak, and Whiterock Mesa.

More road down to the river shortcut. The shortcut trail is marked with a giant cairn and some pink ribbons. At first the tread is appalling, but once down to the river it's sandy and soft. It saved a half mile plus the climb on the road up and down around Copper Mountain.

Connected the shortcut trail with five minutes of Saddle Ridge Trail before getting onto Bull Spring Trail. Good tread and a reasonable ~3kft climb up into the Mazzies. Seems like a bummer section through-hiking south. Connected with Brush Trail which was very scenic from the top of Bullfrog Canyon to the Red Hills Trail junction. Patches of conifers delight as the trail winds through the brushy burn area. No water at Brush Spring where the AZT signage ushers passers-by, but continuing west through the campsite there was some water trickling into clear pools in the creek below the spring. Views widen as the trail climbs to Red Hills.

Red Hills is the highlight stretch of the loop. Descends to the canyon bottom through an old, orange forest of ponderosa pines as nice as I've seen in the Mazzies. Interesting geology complements the forest well. There were some pools of stagnant water of varying quality in the tanks of the creek. I opted for the overlook once reaching the Mazatzal Divide Trail and headed the wrong way up that trail toward Knob Mountain for a view back over the the course of Red Hills.

Took a short break and then descended the northern end of MDT. It is the better route up or down compared to Bull Spring. The tread is smooth, the incline gentle, with better views off into the distance. Big views toward the Sierra Ancha, Deer Creek, and Tonto Basin. The views that way were pretty smokey, and over the course of the day it worked its way up around North Peak and into City Creek. Ended just as the smoke rolled through and didn't see anyone all day.
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The very end of fall in the Northern Mazzies


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S of Spring water tickling into clear pools

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Apr 18 2020
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44 male
 Joined Aug 19 2009
 The Basin
Whiterock Mesa - AZT #25Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Backpack15.04 Miles 2,550 AEG
Backpack15.04 Miles2 Days         
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Quick over-nighter with the Lunatic to get some solitude and clear my head a bit. Lots of people camping at the TH. I decided to take the 'shortcut' route through the creek, instead of following the road up and over the hill. A lot of in and out of the water and scrambling up on the rocks to get through. I got to the AZT junction and realized I forgot an item in the car. Decided to walk the road back instead. Actually not too bad of a climb up and down and then up and down again. Passed a couple who had just gave up on finding some ruins in the area. Took a break at the beach at the East Verde and played a little guitar while the peacocks sang. Hiked to the very close Polk Spring and this area was so nice and inviting, I just stopped and made camp there. Took a nice nap and then started preparing dinner when a guy doing the AZT all the way through thought this was also a great spot to camp.. 200 ft away from me. So much for the solitude. Hiking out in the AM, I decided to take the road again. Despite the short climb, it was way easier than going through the creek again. As I got to the fence at the top of the hill, I spotted movement up in the cliffs to the north. I locked my eyes where I saw it and spotted a man climbing up there. Right at the fence there was a bit of a trail leading up, so I dropped the pack and started going up. Super easy to follow route led to the top of the cliff where I met the man I saw minutes before. He pointed me to the end of the cliff band to the ruins. Pretty impressive stuff. All the walls were 6ft tall and the whole thing was over 50 ft long. I haven't spent too much time in the Mazzies, so this was a nice change. Will have to do so more exploring out there.. after it cools off.

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Jan 15 2020
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 Ahwatukee, AZ
Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 15 2020
SredfieldTriplogs 467
Hiking1.00 Miles 2,669 AEG
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More sign work today, to finish what we started last summer. We missed an ancient trail sign near the gate at LF Ranch last time out so we got it today. Signs make one humble.

An additional task was to collect a GPS track of the shortcut route along the river. This cuts off a bunch of road walking and considerable up and down between the Doll Baby Wilderness gate and the AZT near the LF Ranch. It's not a well-maintained thoroughfare, but if you keep your eyes open you can follow it, electronic navigation helps though. The section that is the old road at Tub Draw is very steep and rocky.

More AZT fun. Thanks Richard, Roger, Joe, Maryann, Noodle and the two dogs!
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