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Tige Rim and WS Lake, AZ 
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Had some company and plans to camp out Saturday night, so decided to take advantage and get a run in a remote area. Got to the TH at around 9:30am after staying up way later than planned, and didn't feel great starting out as a result. It happens.

A note in the TH register said the Tige Rim trail was impossible to follow past a certain cairn, and I set out to challenge that. Turns out it was merely very difficult to follow, but existed in what I would categorize as "most" stretches. The stretch along the rim featured some nice views, but this trail in general has the worst burn scars I've seen yet in this part of the Blue Range. Got off track the last quarter mile of the trail and had to make our way back to Bonanza Bill cross country. Unless someone has plans to clear that trail, it might not have much of a future.

Next we got to the Cow Flat junction, where the original plan was to continue on Bonanza Bill to Devil's Monument and up to WS Lake. However, even at the junction, the continuation of Bonanza Bill looked nonexistent (like, not even a "trail goes this way" sort of cairn), and I didn't really feel like hunting for trail after the Tige Rim adventure, so we changed course and headed down the Cow Flat superhighway. At the cabin I figured we had budget for more miles, so figured we may as well head up Franz Spring trail to WS Lake.

The hike up upper Lanphier Canyon was enjoyable. Nice big trees, and the trail was in pretty decent shape outside of some occasional deadfall. When we got to the "lake" (more a puddle right now), there was an elk cow chilling there. The area is a little burned, and looked like it may have been nicer pre-fire.

Back down at Franz Spring we took a little break to fill up water. Spring is still flowing nice and clear. Then the grind back to Bonanza Bill. It was long, but I enjoyed the rock garden area above Hinckle Spring, and there was a little bit of water in Steeple Canyon.

Didn't see anybody, although there were a couple cars at the TH when we got there, as well as a horse trailer. This part of the Blue Range seems to either have trails that are in excellent shape (presumably the ones ranchers use) or just destroyed.

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Still cold and clear.

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Above Bonanza Bill trail there is a little trickle.

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Mud puddle
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Bear Mtn Loop - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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I headed back to the Blue Range for Memorial Weekend and for the first time, I brought company. We had a loose plan to cover some pretty good ground with a relatively ambitious loop that involved some must-see side trips in my opinion. The plan was enough for myself and Karl, but Chumley and John were not at ease without having everything perfectly laid out. But I assured them it was a little flexible and we had a few plan Bs and Cs worked in there and they were pretty cool with the rough plan I laid out to them.

We drove up Thursday night and despite being pulled over twice on the way (both warnings), we made great time. In fact, we were there in time to enjoy a fire and relax a little. We woke up to frozen water on the rim, but our day got noticeably warmer as we made the last part of the drive down Red Hills road to the trailhead.

We made good time up Largo, but it was a tad dry and warm to appreciate. Telephone Ridge was a bit of a big boy climb with full packs, but we all had enough energy to drop our packs for a quick trip up Bear Mountain. After Bear Mountain, we decided Bear Valley was starting to look like an ideal first night's camp. This was further confirmed when we arrived at the quaint meadow, rich with prime campsites and a trickling creek. After setting up, myself, Karl, Chumley and Blanco hiked further down the Little Blue Trail. This turned out to be an excellent hike, as the trail was in great shape, there were stretches of flowing water and it took a path through some very cool narrows before opening up to a nice section dominated by giant rock spires and monuments. After seeing what seemed to be about the best 2.5 mile section of that trail, we headed back to camp.

On day two we opted for a short trip with our big packs and then a rather large loop into New Mexico via the Tige Rim Trail. We chose Franz Spring and cabin area to camp. After setting up, we all took off for a 15 mile day hike. The Tige Rim loop was hot and dry. The views from the rim were nice and there were a few cool stretches, but the warmer temps and lack of water took away from some of the loop's normal appeal. We we got back to Franz, the worst possible scenario had played out. A group of no likely less than ten people had popped a squat next to us. I knew there was a chance we might bump into some backpackers, but I could have never imagined running into that many people out there. They ended up not being the worst neighbors and our dogs got along, but they were definitely louder than our small group and they insisted on using the outhouse for some reason. To each their own, but it was probably not designed for large backcountry groups with its three feet deep hole, no maintenance and no chemicals. Nevertheless, it was business as usual at camp and we still enjoyed the great spot and did get a chance to chat with a few from the large group. No sour grapes about sharing one of the nicer areas in the Blue Range, I was just not ready to share it with ten people and it ended up not being the nice serene spot I had described. So a small damper on the backpacking trip in my eyes.

A lot of hikers on the trail on the way out, but a quick hike with pretty good trail and very scenic along the flowing sections of Lamphier. A small disappointment on day two, but I enjoyed my three days in the the Blue. I would have liked to cover some more new ground, but it was nice to revisit some spots that I had been intrigued by before and the section of Little Blue we covered on the first day will instantly go on my list of favorites for the area. But overall great times as usual with these guys and I hope the newbies to the area were happy with the change of scenery.

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Filterable water in area of spring, seeps in area trickling out of ground

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Full clean trough, overflowing, strong flow from source

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Full trough, and overflow.

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Light to moderate flow from Indian Springs to Blue/TH
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 Tempe, AZ
Bear Mtn Loop - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Backpack42.12 Miles 8,216 AEG
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1st trip
Lee took the lead on planning this one and it turned out to be a great introduction to the PBR. I was a little surprised to find that this area is much more like the rim country near Payson than the White Mountains as I was expecting. The Blue River valley is only 5500 feet, and while our route took us up to higher elevations, the landscape overall reminded me of the same Mogollon Rim 120 miles farther west.

The upper portion of Sawmill along Telephone Ridge was the highlight of day 1, with big views and a pleasant climb after the steep connector that climbs up from Largo. Bear Mountain is obscured by trees, and the old lookout tower isn't tall enough to see over them. Maybe that's why it's been decommissioned!

Bear Valley is a great spot. I could set up a base camp here and explore. The trip down Little Blue was a great suprise with running water and amazing geology. Huge spires loom above the canyon. I climbed up the ridge adjacent to the canyon to get a better view, but the afternoon sun made it tough to capture any photos. I tried to find trail 341 on the way back to Bear Valley, but I couldn't find even the slightest sign of old tread amongst the fire deadfall and new growth.

Saturday we made the quick trip over to Franz spring and set up camp near the old cabin before heading off to check out the Tige Rim. I had been excited to see this area, but found the reward not to be worth the rest of the hike. It's just a long, hot, dry slog to get to a couple of great view points. In retrospect, I'd skip the loop and just hike the south part of the loop to the views and head back from there.

We returned to camp to find a huge group of people camped right next to us. I'm guessing it was a meetup kind of thing. Apparently they don't backpack into the wilderness looking for peaceful solitude because it didn't occur to them to find a spot to camp that might be just out of view or earshot of others. I've encountered this before, and it is something I will never understand. Might as well have headed for Woods Canyon Lake! :-({|=

In the morning we headed down Lanphier back toward the trailhead. We passed numerous groups along the way. It was actually quite surprising even on a holiday weekend in the Blue. We figured that articles last year in Backpacker (Nov 15) and possibly AZH (July 15) contributed to the 21 cars :o in the parking lot. (We were the only car when we started).

While Lanphier is a pleasant canyon with shade and a stream, I'm not sure I'd like to use it for the ascent. It is steep in places and I could see it really taking it's toll on somebody carrying a heavy pack.

Thanks to Lee for the intro to the PBR. Sorry we didn't make it down to Ladrone. Next time!
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Seeps provide light trickle into good pools downstream of corral.

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Visible seep, muddy water. Irrelevant due to good flow in adjacent creek.

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Lots of seeps with ample opportunities to filter from many different pools

dry Cow Flat Spring Dry Dry
Just some wet mud. Would be nearly impossible to get anything from this, and not worth the effort.

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Full springbox

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Full springbox. Plenty to filter.

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dry Uee Spring Dry Dry
Couldn't find spring source. A couple of nasty muddy pools in the canyon.

dry Yam Canyon Dry Dry
Canyon is sandy and bouldery from flash flood damage presumably due to upstream fire.
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Bear Mtn Loop - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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FOTG has spoken glowingly about the Primitive Blue Range and pics of the area looked intriguing. I jumped at the chance to go when he mentioned it a couple weeks ago and said he would drive. Chumley & Karl joined us and we made a loose hiking itinerary and headed out.

Our group of four, plus Blanco, left Phoenix on Thursday after work and made the long drive to the Primitive Blue Range. We car camped off Red Hill Rd at roughly 8,000ft elevation. I had a hard time sleeping that night. We woke early on Friday and drove to our trailhead and started the hike in. I wasn’t feeling too well from the lack of sleep and was partially dehydrated. Plus I was carrying a heavy pack so that didn’t make things easy.

We started off with the Largo Canyon trail and hiked in several miles and took a break by Dutch Oven Spring. From there we connected onto the Telephone Ridge Trail and headed for Bear Mountain at 8,550 elevation. The climb to the summit took its toll on me and I was glad to finally reach it. We took a break there and then headed southeast for Bear Valley where we set up camp. The others then went for a short hike while I stayed in camp to filter water, prep the fire ring & relax. I was finally feeling better when the others returned and we settled in for dinner and a nice campfire.

We woke on day two and packed up camp and headed northeast for Franz Spring & the cabin. We wanted to get there early hoping to beat other groups to the prime camping spot next to the cabin. We made good time as we climbed the trail to Campbell Flat and then continued on to Franz Spring where we arrived to a vacant camp around 9:30am. We spent the next hour setting up camp and filtering water and then headed northeast for the Tige Rim for a hardy day hike.

The lasso loop around Tige Rim was long, dry & relatively slow going. Most of this section was okay and there were some nice views on a ridge around the halfway point. The heat took its toll on us and Blanco seemed to be having a hard time as he rested in shade every chance he got. Chumley, Karl & I shared our water with him while FOTG looked on with indifference saying he’s been through worse. We continued our lass loop and finally topped out on the high point and it was relatively easy going back to camp as we headed downhill.

We arrived back to Franz Spring to find a large meetup group camped close by. They had a fire going and were very noisy and generally crappy neighbors. One of them walked through our campsite several times to use the outhouse rather than going in the woods. It was annoying but didn’t ruin the weekend for us.

All of us were up early on our third day and packed up camp and hit the trail. We headed down Lanphier Canyon and passed several groups making their way in. The Blue was busy this weekend! We arrived back to the trailhead late morning and packed up our gear. Our backpacking portion of the trip was over and we had plans to day hike & car camp that night.

The Bear Mountain loop is fantastic with great views and the trails are in good condition. I expected more solitude but wasn’t totally surprised considering it was a holiday weekend. I would definitely like to explore more of this area another time.
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Bear Mtn Loop - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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BiFrostTriplogs 1,257
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FOTG offered up 3 day backpacking in the Primitive Blue Range for Memorial Day Weekend so naturally I was ready to see the Blue again. I've been to this area before but always up for more as this area has always been one of my favorites.

Day 1 was the most difficult with the majority of elevation in the first 6 miles with heavy packs. We started from Lanphier TH, then up Largo Canyon to Telephone Ridge and dropped our packs 1/4 mile from Bear Mountain and then hit the summit. The summit is scenic with cabin and tower however the tower does not have great views which is blocked by trees. Guessing the trees have just grown over time and blocked the view. We enjoyed the summit and then headed back down to our packs and eventually into Bear Valley where we found a cool camp spot. Arriving camp fairly early we had time to day hike about 2.5 miles down Little Blue Creek. As mentioned in the others triplogs it's lush, with intermittent flowing creek and cool rocky spires. It was out and back so we had time to really check out the canyon before returning to camp.

Day 2 we decided to hike over to Franz Spring/Cabin and setup camp. We got to Franz early hoping to be the first and we were. Setup camp near the cabin and then packed up for a 15 mile day hike. The day hike was lasso loop over to Hinkle Spring, then Tigre Rim and loop back to Bonanza Bill trail to Franz Cabin. The loop was a bit hot and dry with only water at Hinkle Spring in 15 miles. Blanco was definitely glad for the day hike to be over. Back at camp we settled in but had to share the camp with a somewhat noisy group of 10+ that had rolled in while we were on our day hike.

Day 3 we just had a short mostly downhill 6 miles out to the TH at Lanphier so light work for this group. Very surprised to see several large groups either camping or on their way into the Blue. FOTG did some research and found that backpacker magazine had published a recent article for this exact area and also Arizona Highways had one around the same time. Having been to the Blue many times in the past 15 years I've never seen so many people at such a remote TH as Lanphier so I can only assume this was the reason. Regardless we had a great 3 days in the Blue!!
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pipe dripping clear water

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lots of seeps with filter options

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clear tub to filter from

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good spring flow into Lanphier Canyon confluence

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good flow for about 3 miles in the creek

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mostly dry but did see one small pool if needed water
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Bear Mtn Loop - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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BiFrostTriplogs 1,257
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Amy's birthday weekend so we all headed to Hannagan Meadow on Friday night. Car camped in Hannagan Meadow Campground that night before heading out for Lanphier Canyon TH to do the Bear Mountain Loop. The drive down to the TH is about 1 hour so we didn't get started until about 830.

First up Lanphier Canyon which is very lush and good flow in the first 3.5 miles of this canyon. Then it goes dry just before Cashier Spring but the spring did have a trickle. After that the trail leaves the main canyon and heads over to Franz Spring where we took a break and tanked up on water filtering several liters. Unfortunately this also where we realized a mistake. Originally we had planned on a 12 or 13 mile loop but we passed the turnoff at Largo Canyon and instead kept going straight up Lanphier. As much as the rest of the crew claims I did this on purpose to get more mileage I swear it was a mistake :) Regardless the Franz Spring area was cool to check out or as we were calling it Hanz and Franz Spring. The cabin onsite was in really good shape and the spring tub had plenty of good water to filter.

From there we headed up Cow Flat Trail towards Bear Mountain. This stretch was relatively flat so we made good time despite realizing we had an extra 6 miles to do. Finally made the switchbacks below Bear Mtn and were on top by around 2pm. Took another good break with summit beverage and checked out the cabin and tower.

Then we went down Telephone Ridge and the Sawmill Trail which was slightly different than the true Blue Mtn Loop. Sawmill was much rockier and steeper than all the other trails of the day and doesn't waste time dropping the 3000 AEG down to the Blue River. We met Kathy at Sawmill TH who had driven the vehicle from Lanphier that morning. We had hoped to see Kathy and Frank our dog on the trail but because of the extra mileage she finished before we could catch up. We all met at the Sawmill TH for a post hike beverage before heading back to Hannagan Meadow Campground.
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slow trickle with some very small pools below the source

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large tub full of decent clear water. no problem filtering

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Decent flow and pools
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So since I had a diverse crowd with me, and never having been to the area before, I relied on some awesome beta from fellow HAZer FOTG who's been to the area before. He was SO kind to draw me up some tracks on the map to give us options (thank you Lee!!!) So that morning, based on who was going, and what time it was that we'd be starting (and looking at JJ's times and worrying :lol:), we decided on the middle loop of about 13ish mis., but we'd end up cutting off 2 miles of road walking between THs due to Kathy and Frank hiking from Sawmill.

Well, OOPS, we all passed the junction of where we should've turned off and would have done the 13ish loop, and assumed we went up Lanphier (which I was glad, as that was my favorite part of the hike - that canyon was green and lush and gorgeous!!) It turns out that was the big loop that Karl and I secretly wanted to do, but knew the others wouldn't want to. {have to lay it on Karl though, since he's Karl the Compass ;)}

Oh well, I guess I got my birthday wish of doing a long hike, although I felt really badly for the rest of the crew who either wasn't expecting that kind of mileage/AEG or just plain was in pain and HATED it (I won't mention any names Mark, don't worry!) Poor guy.

Tugger, on the other hand, was a TOTAL trooper!!!!!!! Man, he didn't complain once, not once! I love my amazing, athletic, awesome dog! :wlift:

Afterward, drinking beer and wine in the parking lot, and back at camp was worth all the pain and suffering (for me, of putting up with poor Mark, ha!) Then we got a treat of a thunderstorm while cooking/eating dinner - wahoo! :y:

Thanks guys for a fun weekend and a great first exposure to the BRW & PA. I definitely want to go back!
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Bonanza Bill Trail #23Alpine, AZ
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I really liked the setting of the Mark's Cabin/Franz Spring area that I had came across during my Bear Mountain loop the previous day. After hearing that its guest would be leaving, I decided to make it my backpack destination via the Bonanza Bill Trail #23. I moved my car camp destination from Sawmill Trail #39 to Bonanza Bill Trail #23. I stayed in the somewhat established camping area about 25 feet inside the New Mexico border.

I planned to hike into Franz Spring relatively early and then complete an afternoon day hike after some rest and getting settled in. Although the cabin was locked, the porch would provide a nice covered area in the event some torrential rain rolled through. There was also a nice Army cot on the porch and I could have totally pictured myself just sleeping on that under the porch. However, when I got there Terry was still there. We chatted for a long time and he told me several cool things about the area including the locations of some Indian ruins on the other side of the Blue. He was planning on staying there one more night and I kind of had my heart set on my own site and some solitude, so I decided to just push on and make a loop utilizing WS Lake Trail #54 and the southern section of Bonanza Bill Trail that I had yet to cover.

WS Lake Trail was in great shape, however, Bonanza Bill's southern half was downright miserable at times. There was: nearly no water, Devil's Monument was a bust and between erosion, dead fall and route finding the trail was never easy going. I kept thinking how sad it was that I added like 12 miles to my day and risked stormy weather all to avoid sharing a campsite. I did see another bear on the New Mexico side of Bonanza Bill and there were at times some breathtaking views, however, overall this was a somewhat unpleasant portion of my day and probably trip for that matter.

I camped at Hinkle Spring and decided to hike Tige Rim Trail back the next day. I set up camp very fast trying to beat a storm that never came. There was a period of lightning and thunder, but I was already in my tent. I found counting the seconds between flashes and booms to be similar to counting sheep and somewhat therapeutic. I fell asleep probably not too long after it got dark. It rained pretty hard for about a half hour during the early morning, but had stopped by the time I got out of bed and was sunny for most of the hike out. Tige Rim offered perhaps some of the best views of the trip and was generally a nice trail one that continued to get nicer as you neared its intersection with Bonanza Bill.
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Water in creek bed, not much, but light trickle can be tough to reach steep walls..

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A light trickle/seep near spring feeding a couple of mud puddles.

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Muddy water, good for dogs and livestock.
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Franz Spring TrailAlpine, AZ
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Here's a gem of a trail that is the high country on the east side of the Blue River. It's a trail that's not easy to access but worth the effort. On the Blue Range Wilderness and Primitive area map it's trail #43. There are numerous ways to access this trail but the shortest distances require one to hike a lot of elevation. I'd highly recommend doing this trail as part of a backpack as we did. The USFS says the trail is 3 miles long and ends at the AZ/NM border. Interestingly, on the 1998 Blue Range Wilderness and Primitive Area the trail continues from the border down Bear Canyon for 9 more miles to the Pueblo Park CG TH in New Mexico. Bear Canyon shares the same trail number 43 as the Franz Spring trail. We only did the AZ part of it on this trip and backtracked to the Bonanza Bill trail #23 to go and check out Devils Monument.


From the lower elevation end of the trail it starts at the JCT with trail #55 (Cow Flat)in a place called Cow Flat on the map. This is a nice and cool big pine area as is the rest of the 3 mile hike to the JCT with trail #23 (Bonanza Bill). The entire hike up to the Mogollon Rim (2.8 miles) will be in a narrow V shaped creek that had intermittent water flow on our trip. The terrain on both sides is steeply sloped and heavily wooded. From the start of the trail it'll be .2 miles to Franz spring which is a very reliable water source.


The spring is so reliable that there is a well maintained cabin and corral here. This cabin is used by local ranchers as well as by hunters judging by the animal skulls lying about. The cabin has 2 locks on the door but was open on our visit. A lot of recent work has been done to the cabin so please take care of it! If ranchers and/or hunters are present an excellent alternate camp spot can be found about half way between the cabin/spring and start of trail.


Enjoy the forest as you hike up to the rim but remember it'll be about 1000' climb. Once you reach the rim you'll come to the JCT with trail #54 (WS) just SW of WS Lake (2.8 miles from start). WS Lake is a glorified stock tank but very scenic. This area is moderately burned over from a fire but not scorched, plenty of living pines around. We didn't need any water at the time but the water in the tank looked good. No cow pies or animal tracks around the lake and it MAY have been some years since it's been used for cattle. This area could be a good place to camp.


From the JCT with trail #54 (WS) it's about .4 miles more to the AZ end of the trail at the state line. It's a faint trail here and there's a bit of downfall to deal with but follow the path of sawed trees and you'll arrive at a fence line and cowboy gate. At the time we thought that this was the state line but after reviewing the map we discovered it was a little further on. Once you pass thru the gate you'll come to another JCT, this will be with trail #23 (Bonanza Bill) and its about .25 mile from the border but I'll call it the end of the AZ part of the trail at 2.75 miles from the start.
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