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Synopsis: 4PC - A Long Day's Journey Into Night...And Morning (TL;DR Version)
Joe posted a wish list hike for a repeat of the Four Peaks Circumference that he and Karl hiked in March 2014. It was 100% new terrain for me, and I can't seem to turn down opportunities for long loops with poorly maintained/non-existent trails, so I signed up. Joe and Karl completed the loop in ~16.5 hours, and Joe figured we could finish in 15-20 hours. What could go wrong? Nothing did, per se, it just took a lot longer than planned. The eastern side of the loop following Alder Creek slowed us down; we ended up covering nearly half the total miles, most of the elevation gain, and the worst of the brush in darkness as we hiked all of Saturday and into Sunday morning.

The Details
Joe and I left the valley ~3:40AM on Saturday for the drive to Mud Spring Trailhead. There were a couple of deep ruts in FR143 on the way in and some moist spots in the washes that we hoped were a good sign for water along the route. We set out at 5:30AM hiking uphill by moonlight on FR 143, starting our clockwise circumference.

We had comfortable temps starting out and a nice sunrise over Roosevelt Lake and the Sierra Anchas with Four Peaks ahead of us as we approached Lone Pine Trailhead ~ four four miles in. We continued on Four Peaks Trail, enjoying the last maintained trail we'd see on the loop. We passed two hunters glassing the hills on the our way to Black Bear Saddle, where we found their camp--sleeping bags, food, water, and equipment were scattered around there.

We took a short break before the real fun started, dropping down to Alder Creek for the non-existent trail portion of the loop. We had a steep, loose, brushy descent down to the creek, but we made it down relatively quickly and started following the creek south. It was flowing nicely in many places, with pools and small falls...but also a lot of brush, including poison ivy. Our pace slowed considerably following Alder Creek, and we ended up spending most of our daylight hours on that six-mile stretch. Both of us stepped in quicksand (multiple times for me) and had soaked and sandy footwear.

We left the creek bed for a steep scramble up and over a ridge to get around some obstacles in the canyon and planned to take a longer at break Karl's swimming hole from 2014 [ photo ] . Despite plenty of water in the creek, there was no swimming hole--we saw no sign of deeper pools, so floods have probably rearranged the creek bed in the past 11 years. We took a 45-minute break in that general area to recharge electronics, eat, and filter water before resuming the long hike down Alder Creek.

Joe mentioned making a quick stop at Brown's Cave since it was only ~50 yards off our route, and I'd had that on my list for years. That part of the canyon approaching the Salt River Corridor was beautiful, with healthy saguaros and taller canyon walls, but by the time we got close to the cave (less than 500'!), darkness was closing in fast, and decided to skip it because we wanted to navigate through the jungle of brush to find our route west while we still had some light left.

Joe remembered relatively easy hiking for the rest of the route from his 2014 circumference, but it's either become more overgrown in the past decade, and/or he repressed the memories of what we still had ahead of us :). When we pulled out our headlamps/flashlights after sunset, we still had 13+ miles and 4,000' to 5,000' AEG remaining; clearly we had a long evening (and morning) ahead of us. Unfortunately, Joe also told me I was missing some of the most scenic geology of the loop ](*,) .

Our world quickly shrank to the Route Scout screen and what we could see in our flashlight beams. I had a flashlight in one hand and my phone in the other as I navigated, conjuring Lion Mountain flashbacks. We had sporadic stretches of relatively open hiking with a cairned route, but more often we dealt with a lot of brush as we headed toward Cane Spring Trailhead, especially around Paint Spring and Adams Camp Spring, where we saw the remnants of the chimney at the camp.

We had some easier, more unobstructed hiking around Cane Spring and the trailhead and were surprised to run into someone out there with a truck. We chatted briefly as we passed; he seemed to know the area pretty well and was surprised we were out there hiking with a long way still to go get back to Mud Spring Trailhead, ~ eight rough miles with a lot of elevation left to gain. Joe and I took another break just after we reached Cane Spring Trail as the moon rose over Four Peaks and gave us a little more light.

The rest of the hike was a bit of a blur as the clock passed 10PM, then midnight; the hours flew by, the miles crawled by. Joe wasn't feeling great and was battling cramps, so I carried his backpack for the last five miles. The open stretches were a relief but never lasted long enough, and there were some brutal stretches with steep, loose, and brushy uphill climbs as we followed Joe and Karl's old route.

We encountered the worst brush with 3-4 miles left...everything I could see in the flashlight beam anywhere close to the general direction we needed to go was a wall of catclaw. I'd done pretty well avoiding scratches up to that point, but my legs got absolutely shredded through that section, and our progress was measured in hundredths of a mile whenever I checked Route Scout. On the bright side, if the brush didn't let up, our progress would only get easier because we'd be finishing the loop in daylight.

We had to cross two large drainages along Solider Camp Trail that were reasonably well cairned, then pushed through a long final uphill climb with strong winds on our way up to Big Saddle. Somewhere in there, I noticed an odd streak of white in my flashlight beam, with deep black shadows on either side. I went in for a closer look and realized I was approaching a skunk; fortunately, it decided to run rather than spray.

We had a steep descent from Big Saddle, but the route was mostly cairned and easier to follow than much of what we'd been through. Within 50 feet of the trailhead, I stepped into a muddy swamp around Mud Spring without noticing it in the dark...didn't feel too great with the cuts all over my legs. That was the final gift this loop had to offer; we got back to the truck just after 5AM, completing our lap of Four Peaks in roughly a lap around the clock :).

Sunday's sunrise brought things full circle on the drive out FR 143, making that my first day hike that included two sunrises and a sunset. When I finally got back home around 7:30AM, I took a shower and immediately went to bed after 29 hours awake, ~24 of those hiking. The length of the hike really threw off my sense of time--it felt like Saturday night had disappeared into a black hole.

Overall, it was a memorable day(s). When it comes to rough off-trail hiking after dark, today made Lion Mountain feel like a day at the zoo. Coincidentally, I lost my sunglasses on the Lion hike, and Joe lost his on today's hike. But I learned from the Lion experience: don't ever help Joe across anything, leave the bear spray at home, and pack your sunglasses away when it gets dark, don't just hang them from your collar :lol:. This one took longer than either of us expected, but there were no injuries or medical problems, so I'll call it a win. To quote Joe's 2014 triplog: "Never say never, it 'seems' unlikely I'll redo this loop." :).
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Alder Creek - Four Peaks Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Light flow through much of the creek from Black Bear Saddle down to the Brown's Cave area. Less water at the southern end at the marked spot on the map (only small, stagnant pools)

dry Alder Creek - South Swim Hole Dry Dry
No sign of the actual swimming hole. Decent flow of water through most parts of Alder Creek, with lots of pools and small falls (and lots of algae)

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Four Peaks Spring Number One Dripping Dripping
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Full spring box below spring. Water stagnant.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Mud Spring Dripping Dripping
Water in the spring box; swampy/muddy ground in the vicinity.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Medium pool with clear water and algae
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A battle of wills. Soldiering hackberry became an exercise in social thermodynamics. The solution—my own pair of pants— was strapped to John’s back, taunting me as he surged ahead, yo-yoing just out of hollering range. We finished the dayhike 1.5 hours after I picked him up.

5:29 am It's a 4.25mi/1270ft road walk from Mud Springs TH to Lone Pine TH. Albeit too warm for long pants, it was a perfect autumn morning.

Four Peaks Trail #130
6:53 am The trail seemed the same, in good condition, as in previous years. It's not wide like most of the AZT, but it gets the aye okay nod considering location and terrain. Passed two hunters maybe a mile before Black Bear Saddle. Pondered if they had a power haul drone, if they got anything, as five feet up or down might be your last.

Alder Creek Trail #82
There is no trail; it would need an army of @jacobemerick's with @BiFrost to bring it back.

Seldom explored Alder Creek 6-mile East Segment
Black Bear Saddle ▶ Brown's Cave
9:30 am A reconnaissance mission 2025-10-24 revealed few if any had been in the least used 6-mile segment down Alder Creek since Karl and I's 2014 foray.

Possibly 30 feet of trail and the stone work of a long-gone terrace. Pools and clear flowing water off and on for four miles that disappeared for short stretches. No sign of [ photo ] .

Prepping for this hike, I hiked Mount Lemmon —approx 26.5mi/7700 AEG— up and down five times. Forgot I needed six miles, creek rock hopping stabilizer muscles. 5:40 pm, 367 feet from Brown's Cave, 12-14 miles to go. 10s helped bring this dream home and would only get near this and the true lore of the terminus of the Mazzies... I'm an idiot.

Rarely Adventured 3.5-mile South Segment
Brown's Cave ▶ Nondescript Saddle
5:40 pm I told 10s it was a fair trail through a fairyland of open desert... BYO imagination. Unfortunately, we missed the grandeur of this segment; it was pitch dark until the 8:26 pm moonrise

Curious Four Wheeler 1.75-mile West Segment
Nondescript Saddle to Cane Spring TH
8:20 pm This is the most used and least exciting segment.

Cane Spring Trail #77
9:07 pm Once again, I am shocked by how well this trail travels the lower 1.5 miles. The upper mile prepares the victim for #83.

Soldier Camp Trail #83
11:26 pm If this were a well-maintained trail, people would hate it for dipping in and out of two huge ravines. From the Cane Spring Trail #77 junction, it's a simple cairn hunt for 0.55 miles. It goes from bad to atrocious. John was carrying my pack as an olive branch gesture for ripping my arm off last year. Somewhere in the atrocious stretch I bit my lip and hollered ahead "hey, could you stop so I can get my pants out of my pack".

The final 1,100 ft ascent from Boulder Creek to Big Saddle —2:15 to 3:40 am— is not a bushwhack but I was struggling.

Speaking of shame, it's a shame two other mountain trails close to the Valley have been abandoned. Cienega Spring Trail #253 looks three times worse. The unnumbered trail to the north looks marginally better.

5:05 am Finished

Synopsis
Never say never. Who's next.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Alder Creek - Four Peaks Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Pools nearby. It was running good off and on and clear for the 6 miles we came down. Probably water for about 2 1/2 miles.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Mud Spring Dripping Dripping
Approaching, John yelled SWAMP as he stepped into the namesake. Water in the... didn't take a photo, the spring box in topohiker's photos may have been repaired, but I only caught it out of the corner of my eye, concentrating on the end of the hike coming quickly.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Shake Spring Dripping Dripping
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Good size, clear pool of algae, it is dripping
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I went from the Mesquite wash to the Mud Springs TH. Along the way I stopped at the Cline TH to check out the Picadilla creek.
It was flowing about 1/2 what it was from 2 weeks ago. I also checked out the Tejanas spring.

The temps were perfect all day long. The morning was cool and when the heat settled in, I was up higher up.
There was a lot more people camping by the mesquite wash than last time.
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Checked out spring found trickle at Mud Spring which was surprising after such a dry winter
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Mud Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Nice trickle of clear water after a below average rain/snow winter season . Trickling down the small ravine although the concrete basins are no longer in use.
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This loop and especially Alder Creek has intrigued me since the '90s. Karl & I started at Mud Spring TH, hiked the road to Lone Pine then took #130 out to #82 ( not to be confused with Alder "Saddle" Trail #81 ).

Alder Creek Trail #82
Nature has reclaimed the trail. Perhaps 7% exists for the 6.25 miles heading down to Brown's Cave. Of that the creek is a less painful avenue. The area is everything I envisioned as a wided eyed kid thumbing through hiking books. Water is abundant and trees offer shade on occasion. The challenges of life are defenseless against you and Alder Creek Canyon is all yours.

Once out of Alder Creek the trail over to the trailhead is just route finding. Someone has kindly re-cairned 0.5mi to 1.6mi ( west to east ). It follows quicker than in previous years and catclaw only snagged once.

Cane Spring Trail #77
Easy to follow... in the dark! Someone must do periodic maintenance. Shocking out in the middle of nowhere and it only leads to the tragic mess on #83.

Soldier Camp Trail #83
Difficult to assess as it was dark. Seemed like a nuisance cairn hunt. I'm guessing it's not so bad in daylight. Killer night view back to Phoenix heading up to Big Saddle.

Never say never, it "seems" unlikely I'll redo this loop. One thing for sure... feels GREAT to join the got 'er done club! Thanks to Karl for helping bring this dream home!

Carried 5 quarts, consumed 6.
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Wildflowers Observation Light
Strawberry Hedgehog was busting out for 10-15 miles of our hike. 1 - Desert Anemone near Paint Puddles, 1 - Desert Chicory mid Alder Creek. Medium patches of Desert Phlox on south expanse. A few iron yellow varieties.

dry Adams Camp Spring Dry Dry
Immediate area was damp. Perhaps something to filter if you poke around.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Alder Creek - Four Peaks Medium flow Medium flow
Flowing about 80% through upper 5-6 miles ( majority ) of creek. Shockingly* great flow, maybe 10 gpm. Lots of three foot waterfalls along the way. No sign of cattle grazing.

* Last rain was 1-2 inches three weeks ago. Previous rain was two months prior, very dry spring around Arizona in 2014.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Alder Creek - South Swim Hole 76-100% full 76-100% full
Full, clear and creek flowing at least a gpm. Soon after the creek dried for the next mile.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Paint Spring Dripping Dripping
Enough to filter. From previous experiences you can find a slight flow to pools further down.
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This hike has been on the list and Joe offered it up and worked out the route. Of course had to say yes to this oppturnity. Early start about 615am from Mud Spring TH walking up the road to Lone Pine TH. Good warm up for the real hike to come.

Once at Lone Pine TH we started down Four Peaks trail enjoying the traverse over to Black Bear Saddle. Great views along this section of Four Peaks and the lake. Black Bear Saddle is where the fun begins or pain depending on your perspective. There is a trail Alder Creek #82 but it's pretty much not there. We made several attempts to follow the trail but brush was too thick and path of least resistance was the creek. Very nice in the creek with water and pools most of the way down. So we did about 6 miles of boulder hopping down canyon to where the trail leaves it and heads over to Cane Spring TH. Alder is a great canyon...really enjoyed the numerous pools, mini-falls and scenery.

Finally made it to where Alder trail leaves the canyon and started heading over to Long Canyon. This section is also really nice...Joe pointing out some of the dramatic views, cliffs, and interesting rock. Also saw wild burro and pack of javalina's between Alder Creek and Cane Spring. Wish we had more time to explore this great area but time was not on our side.

We got to Cane Spring TH and it was getting very late in the day. Had to do much of the last 7 miles in the dark and trail conditions or non-trail in many spots made this time consuming. It was a tough stretch but finally made it over Big Saddle on the Soldier Camp Trail #83. Tough trail to follow but maybe it was due to darkness.

Thanks for putting this one together Joe :D
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Part one of a recon hike to plan for a future hike all the way to Brown's Peak and back.

I took FR401 from AZ87 to Cottonwood Camp then drove the 4 very rough miles on FR401A to Soldier Camp TH. When I got out of the car I was greeted by winds easily in excess of 45-50 mph. Almost knocked over immediately I turned back and grabbed both hiking poles for stability. Good thing I did because on a number of occasions there were wind gusts well over 60 mph, and in fact even with the hiking poles I was twice knocked to my knees. I took many photos more than once due to bad focus being knocked around. I have a few videos to edit yet but they will show the extent of the wind.

Ok, back to the hike. Although there were no cairns to mark the trail for the first half mile or so, it was pretty easy to follow the narrow trail. Soon you reach a point where the trail starts following what used to be a wagon trail well over a hundred years ago. With 10 to 12 feet somewhat level between rocks on either side for most of the hike there was little need to seek out cairns, although by now there were plenty popping up. Once I reached a part with thicker brush the cairns weren't visible from very far away but I passed by they were helpful to let me know I was still on the trail.

Upon reaching the Cane Spring Trail #77 junction I took a short PB&J break while seeking the Cane Spring Trail. No luck locating any cairns heading south. Oh well, I've got some extra time to I headed farther out along trail #83. About a half mile I was about to turn around when I noticed a Laub Mine on my GPS basemap. Just a few hundred yards away I just had to see if there was anything of interest. All I found were numerous large bowls cut out of the mountain but not one single bit of mining equipment. If there were any shafts, they were covered or filled in long ago.

While scanning the area, I noticed what appeared to be a horizontal mine shaft across the canyon from me. It took a while to locate a route avoiding both the steep drop-offs and heavy brush but I managed choosing some thorny brush over a 30 foot drop. Approaching the mine I looked around for evidence of animals and finding none decided to film my exploration. Barely inside and I'm swarmed by thousands of flies so my first thought is there's a dead animal in here. It wound around one corner and maybe 40 feet in I hit the dead end, and thankfully, no dead critters.

Ok, time to head back to catch the Cane Spring Trail down to Forest Road 401A and the 2 mile climb back to Soldier Camp TH.

I thinned to photoset to 40 photos on HAZ.
All 110 photos (including the Cane Spring Trail photos) are here:
http://changephoenix.com/jpserver/web/public/album.php?id=633
I'll post Part Two, Cane Spring Trail shortly.
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Part Two of a recon hike to plan for a future hike up to Brown's Peak and back.

Rather than do an out-and-back along Soldier Camp Trail #83 I decided to return via Cane Spring Trail #77 south to Forest Road 401A and west back to the Soldier Camp TH. Although I spent some time scanning for any sign of the trail from the junction with Trail #83 but found nothing so I just set out generally following a track I drew in Route Manager. It was a quarter mile out before I spotted the first cairn and another quarter mile before I could actually see two cairns at the same time.

With the cairns few and far between I relied quite a bit on my GPS track. About a mile south of Soldier Camp Trail the cairns became plentiful, but by now the trail was well-beaten enough (likely more by animal than humans) there was no longer a need for them. And similar to certain sections of Soldier Camp Trail, this part of the Cane Spring Trail used to be an old wagon trail way back when. The farther south I traveled the easier it was to follow the trail... note I said easier to follow, not easier to hike on, as it was quite rough with plenty of loose rocks hidden in the grass.

Also like part one of this hike (on Soldier Camp Trail) I trimmed a few spots where one would be forced to leave the trail to bypass overgrowth, but I did leave a few that would have required a lopper rather than the hand trimmer I had along.

Once I hit the junction with Forest Road 401A it was just a matter of following the road, such as it is back to the Soldier Camp TH. Although no route finding was needed, due to the loose rocks on the road I had to pay attention with every step. When I was within .3 mile of the trailhead, by following the road I still had 3/4 mile left and I was sorely tempted to make a beeline cross-country to save the distance, but I knew it would probably just as long and take more effort so I stuck with the road.

Having a tire with a slow leak I wasted little time on the rough FR401A so I could get back to town in time to get it checked out before a weekend camping trip. It turns out the bullet-proof Kevlar sidewall isn't thorn-proof and wouldn't you know it, as a legacy of being the nice guy pulling trees off the road last week I picked up a thorn in the sidewall.
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Of course it's where they will not repair it so the tire had to be replaced. Although the warranty gave me a free tire, it cost $52 to continue the warranty on the replacement tire.
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Oh well, it's better than replacing it at $350.

The triplog of Part One of this hike along Soldier Camp Trail #83 is here:
http://hikearizona.com/trip=95744

I posted 25 of the Cane Spring photos on HAZ.
All 110 photos (including the Soldier Camp Trail photos) are here:
http://changephoenix.com/jpserver/web/public/album.php?id=633
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Took this trail today until the tree as you ascend. This part was overgrown with bush (very little cacti), and no water. What made this short trip very worth it, was we took a detour and rock climbed to the left at the tree and came up to the peak right next to the four peaks! As you rock climb over this peak, all of a sudden you have the four peaks (only three are visible) right in front of you! Very spectacular. Ran out of time to go to the four peaks (we estimated they were 300-400 yards away). Awesome time seeing amazing views of all parks, four peaks, Phoenix in the distance, Saguaro Lake, and the Superstitions if you're in for some rock climbing!!!
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Started at Mud Spring TH. Followed the trail a short ways and then went off-trail and then picked it back up. Hit a few sub peaks and did some brutal bushwacking. Pretty awesome morning. The ride to Mud can be done in a car but I wouldn't recommend it. I had high clearance without 4wd. I saw a few vehicles at Lone Pine and one pickup that got stuck. I was in snow the whole hike and a few times 3 ft. But mostly 1/2 foot.
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 Phoenix, AZ
Soldier Camp Trail #83Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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HansenazTriplogs 527
Hiking11.50 Miles 1,715 AEG
Hiking11.50 Miles   5 Hrs   30 Mns   2.09 mph
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Nice hike because it covers such a large swath of Four Peaks Wilderness and is (after the initial climb) almost all downhill. The trail is certainly hard to follow in places and expect some flora-induced scratches, but I knew when looking ahead from Big Saddle that this just has to be a nice one way hike (and perhaps a not-so-nice out and back). I hitchhiked back to the car with no problem at all.
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Mar 29 2009
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72 male
 Joined Apr 06 2005
 Phoenix, AZ
Cottonwood Camp LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 29 2009
HansenazTriplogs 527
Hiking14.70 Miles 3,377 AEG
Hiking14.70 Miles   7 Hrs   30 Mns   1.96 mph
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I wanted to look around the southwestern part of the Four Peaks Wilderness. This area is popular with ATVers but there doesn't seem to be a lot of hiking. Best information I found is from some postings by Joe Bartels in 2004 (see this trip, and the speculative Cane Spring to Amethyst Peak trip which contains an intriguing map http://hikearizona.com/t2004/09/29/map02.jpg) and just today I noticed a new posting for an ambitious trip: Cottonwood Camp to Lone Pine via Alder.

Anyway since I just planned to poke around I got a late start and didn't leave my car at Cottonwood Camp until just after noon. I knew I wasn't going to try the rough jeep road (FR401) past Cottonwood Camp - a previous visit showed a very tough step within a half mile or so.

Compared to the trip Joe describes I stayed further south and followed the most likely ATV path just north of main FR401 - it soon hit a fence at the Wilderness boundary which stops the ATVs, but I kept going on an old overgrown road. This was faint in spots but continued, crossed a couple washes, and then climbed the ridge. At the crest it meets up with FR401 - this was ~2.8mi in and here I saw the only sign of the day: I had been walking on Lower Soldier's Trail. Continuing up the road about another mile I ran into two 4-Wheelers (the only people I saw all day) right at the Soldier's Camp Trailhead. This place was unmarked (posts but no signs) but I correctly surmised this was the lower left corner of Joe's aforementioned map. It was pleasant walking on the Soldier's Trail - not too overgrown, plenty of cairns, and it mainly keeps to the ridge top so nice views. I decided I could make a loop of it: continue on Soldier's to the Cane Spring Trail, take that down to the jeep road and then walk this road back to the car.

After about an hour or so I realized I was going to have a daylight problem. I probably should have just turned around but instead I decided to shortcut down hill into Cane Spring drainage just so I could see that place. Turned out to be worth the trip: many pretty waterfalls, but no sign of a trail so it was pretty slow going. By the time I hit the road it was 5PM. I think the intersection is just above the Cane Spring Trailhead (which I didn't see). The road may be tough to drive but walking it is no picnic either: I think it was 6.5 miles back to Cottonwood Camp and a lot of up and down. Pitch black - thank goodness for long range keyless remotes.

My conclusion: if you want access to the upper reaches of Four Peaks from the southwest you need to drive that road. On the other hand there's some nice hiking in the area even if you don't.
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Nov 23 2007
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 Joined Jul 05 2006
 Mesa, AZ
Soldier Camp Trail #83Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 23 2007
DarthStillerTriplogs 873
Hiking8.90 Miles 3,100 AEG
Hiking8.90 Miles   7 Hrs   30 Mns   1.19 mph
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This hike was from the Mud Springs TH along FR143 down to the junction with Cane Springs Trail (also the upper point of the Soldier Camp/Cane Springs Loop hike I did Oct. 14) and back.

The mileage on this trail was somewhat of a question. The Guide to Hiking Arizona'a Superstitions and Mazatzals said 3.8 miles one way, giving a total of 7.6. My GPS and The Cannondale Kid's GPs both said 8.9 miles. When I downloaded the track to my Delorme program, is said 8.12. Since we had 2 GPS's giving the 8.9 reading, and since it felt more like 8.9, that's what I'm going with.

The first mile of this is pretty easy to follow, but steep. after that, you come to a very steep ravine and the trail seems to fade away. From there you're not far from Big Saddle, and its not too bad of a bushwhack up to there, but very steep and crumbly.

Coming down, its all grassland and very wide open view-wise, but the catclaw keeps creeping in when you dont expect it. The trail is very faint and hard to follow, and in many sections even non-existent. We ended up bushwhacking down the middle of a steep and crumbly ravine, only to spot the cairns at the bottom seeing that we should have taken the top of the eastern ridge.

The trail just before Soldier Camp becomes visible from a distance, but then its a little tricky finding it up over the bank out of the wash. Having the waypoints set on my GPS was critical to know where to look for it here.

After going over the bank, the downhill into the next ravine was another portion of non-existent trail (we never found it either way) with even more catclaw. There was one more wash to cross and hill to climb, but after the second descent, the trail was very easy to follow. The junction to Cane Springs Trail is just over the second hill.

Going back up to Big Saddle was somewhat grueling. Route finding and concentration was very necessary both ways, and I was somewhat feeling under the weather. My wife said she and the kids both had some mild diarrhea, so I was wondering if I had a big of the bug. This took much longer than I expected to complete, both because of my sluggishness and the condition of the trail.

The section past Big Saddle to the steep ravine was another spot where finding the trail was impossible going the other direction. Its seems to disappear from that ravine to Big Saddle. its not a big distance, but the steepness and crumbly slopes make it kind of interesting.

And, to top it all off, you CAN get a strong cell signal at Mud Springs TH. Who'da thunk?
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Nov 23 2007
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 Joined May 04 2004
 Mesa, AZ
Soldier Camp Trail #83Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 23 2007
CannondaleKidTriplogs 2,458
Hiking8.90 Miles 3,166 AEG
Hiking8.90 Miles   7 Hrs   30 Mns   1.19 mph
3,166 ft AEG
 
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Stiller did a thorough job on the triplog and so I'll just add my 2 cents worth...

Overall, the weather was great, scenery awesome and Stiller was good company on the hike. But if I had any choice in the matter, I sure could have done fine without so much catclaw... my longtime favorite shirt for hiking in cool temps got trashed and the long pants I just bought have threads hanging out all over. Even with the long pants my legs took a beating, scratches and cuts all over. For this type of hiking I'll have to check out some snake gaiters like Stiller has.
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