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W Boulder Cyn to Willow Springs - 4 members in 7 triplogs have rated this an average 4.5 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Oct 19 2024
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W Boulder Cyn to Willow SpringsPhoenix, AZ
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Siphon Fire update. I was both happy and sad that the Superstition Wilderness were back open after the 2024 Siphon Fire. With literally a 30 degree temperature drop, I was off to the show. Because of the extensive damage expected, I opted for West Boulder Canyon on the eastern slopes of the mountains. I did a Carney, West Boulder, East Boulder, Peralta Canyon loop. From the West Boulder Saddle it was clear that the fire had burned across the entire back slope of the ridgeline all the way up into Three Sisters. The one hiker I saw all day stated that Three Sisters was roasted. There was no fire activity anywhere in Carney Springs Canyon. Some isolated flowers like red chuparosa survived the blaze and desert broom was budding and blooming on the WBC canyon floor.

The fire map indicated that WBC could have been significantly burned as well. I found that most of the upper canyon in fact was intact. Good for the wilderness and bad for me since I now needed to navigate an extremely overgrown area. I dropped into the channel too soon and paid for it in time penalties. Cut to the burn section. Fire burned areas that have not had fire in many decades. Very large 60-70 year old cottonwood trees were destroyed. Mature oak groves were destroyed as well. Hillsides of 100+ year old Saguaro were blazed as well. I may go back after rains wash the ash out for another look.

The fire burned from ridgeline down a small canyon from the west side of West Boulder then crossed the canyon to the east side. It continued up the eastside over and down the ridge towards Weavers Needle. Not my photo shows the actual fire. East boulder canyon Peralta trail was not affected in the upper Weavers area or south to Peralta TH. Peralta to Fremont Saddle is one of the heaviest travelled trails in the wilderness area and unaffected. There is significant damage all through the northwest section of the mountains. I’ll continue to travel some of the back canyons to see the extent. It was reported as a human caused fire. Not criticizing FS decision making, but I always feel like more could be done sooner…
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dry East Boulder @ Pinon Camp Dry Dry
Small pools in nearby channel from previous nights rain.

dry Piper Spring Dry Dry
Pools in the area from previous nights rain. Spring access seems to be collapsed.

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Feb 14 2024
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Carney Springs to First Water, AZ 
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Perfect conditions call for desperate measures! So, I broke my loose shuttle rule, dropping the motorcycle early at First Water TH and then heading around to Carney Springs. In the dim morning light, I noticed that some good soul has erased the stupid spray-painted arrows from the boulders along the route (at least until the Wave Cave junction). I've wanted to do just that for some time but have always found something more fun to do. Thank you, Forest Service, or whoever it was. It seemed the steep ascent to West Boulder Saddle was slow, but I still gained the pass in under an hour. To access West Boulder Canyon, one just continues to follow the Supes Ridgeline route west for another half mile past the saddle. The rocks at the canyon's head were super slippery from the hydrated lichens and water seeps, but these first steep sections were still a fairly manageable downclimb. The route gets junglelike (as arizonaheat warns), but not as bad as I'd expect from looking at the unburnt canyon from above. Each time the creek bed seemed impassable, I would just ascend slightly right and traverse, staying on the east side of the canyon until about the 3.3-mile point. Eventually one must don the water shoes and wade into the water to frolic with the Fishy Paddle Maggots. The rock corral was at the five-mile mark and was the only really crappy catclaw bushwack that actually tore my shirt. The water level ebbs and flows depending on terrain (exposed rock or gravel) and how much water is merging from every side drainage. Most of the canyon is absolutely enchanting in its current state. On my previous two trips here, the huge clumps of grass below Willow Spring were such a hassle, in that you couldn't see if there were snakes or know where to step for solid footing. However, the large grass is currently dead and flattened by flooding from the recent storms and the hangry snakes haven't emerged (yet). I exited via Tims Saddle because that's the route I thought the guide described. Consequently, I may go back again sometime to complete the last, lower section of the canyon but I doubt it's as nice as the upper part.
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W Boulder Cyn to Willow SpringsPhoenix, AZ
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ScottHikaTriplogs 50
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Tim and I headed to West Boulder the hard way from Carney Springs via Lost Goldmine trail. Noticed there haven’t been any triplogs since 2013. Curious what the fire did to the upper Canyon. We planned a loop of some kind, depending… Carlson said there’s no trail, Fritzski said there’s no trail, and there’s no trail, but what fun would that be? Have gone up to here from First Water, but never passed all the way through upper West Boulder Canyon from the south. Didn’t start super early, but since I’m retired I don’t always awake at the crack of dawn. We took a small side trip into Carney Canyon before heading up to West Boulder Saddle. There are still a few places I want to get to on Dacite Mesa, but that will have to wait for another day. Historically it is unlikely that anyone ever came from the QCU, up Carney and went through here on horseback. Probably some prospectors braved it on foot, I've seen it on old maps, but I believe that the upper West Boulder Canyon trail is a myth.

I wanted to ignore the recommend route shortcut and actually start from West Boulder origin, so that was that. Wildflowers are in bloom so spent a bit of time trying to capture some of them. I’m still working out the kinks in my new camera phone so they are generally blurry - live and learn. I took a few more pics than usual, so hopefully they are helpful. The weather was great and even seemed “warm” here and there, but not complaining. It was a beautiful clear day in the 70s. The upper channel was choked with a few large boulder traps, and non-technical scrambling. It was typical of any narrow overgrown canyon in the Superstitions without a trail. The fire appears to have fried both sides of the canyon but generally not at the center drainage. Cannot say it was better or worse than any other bouldering adventure. Earlier we had been skirting the channel above to the east and actually found a few random cairns. Not enough cairns to be trackable or coinciding with any trace of a trail, but they were the signs of people. After a while we decided to drop down into funsville and fight through the bush. About midway we found HUGE tracks in the center drainage. To be honest, I’ve never seen big cat prints this far west.

Tim and I have hiked many years together so time always passes too quickly. Kind of different to see all the scrub oak here. Reminded Tim of parts of California. catclaw of course was alive and well. There are some easy areas especially where the bedrock pools clear out the brush. The water was stagnant in many places and we carried water. It definitely could be filtered especially where the lower pools were slightly flowing and clearer. The entire time I kept expecting to see some type of petroglyphs in the canyon walls. The patina is reminiscent of other nearby places but found nothing. We were making a zippy one mile an hour pace through the thickets and got to the corral in the afternoon. Tom Kollenborn says that this corral was built in the 1880s before the Barkleys ranched the area. It was apparently built before AZ statehood by Mexican laborers according to Gus. He also said that Barkley never used it for cattle due to the difficulty getting in and out of there. Spent a little time inside the rock corral poking around. Found a roll of barbed wire I haven’t seen before. Everybody agrees that it’s modern and not Ruth era, but that would really have been a find! The mystery is who would pack in barbed wire, certainly not the forest service. Either the age/date estimates area wrong, or this was put here for unknown reason after it was legal to do so. It’s heavy and would have been packed in from First Water. In his final letter to his family (6-14-31) Adolph Ruth said he built a wire shelf out of sticks for his supplies, but he didn’t say “barbed wire” and that would not have made sense for a supply shelf.

The stone corral area was not burned by fire, but there was evidence of burn all around it. We snacked on lunch and chatted about Adolph Ruth as we sat near the Spring. The cliffs are high so a nice cool resting place. Due to lateness in the day, we decided to cut the larger loop short and take the ridge over to Peralta 102. Mainly, we just stayed in the channel up to the pass and then over and bushwhacked down. It wasn’t awful. In fact I’d say the quickest southern route would be from Peralta TH, over Fremont Saddle and then over the ridge to the spring. Of course then you would miss all the fun in upper West Boulder. We arrived at the saddle as the sun was setting, and cruised back to LGM another successful adventure in the books.
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It is wildflower season so many flowering plants and identified in the photo section.

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Nov 05 2013
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W Boulder Cyn to Willow SpringsPhoenix, AZ
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Mike and I had talked about checking out Willow Springs since last year and today we finally made the trek. We started at Lost Goldmine since we planned to come out on Peralta. We headed up Carney, went over the saddle and down the other side to the creek bed. We made pretty good time since there was very little water and things weren't too overgrown. Down near the bottom we realized it was going to be tough bushwacking and that's when we started seeing numerous white dots on the eastern bank. We followed those until the creek opened up again and back down we went. It was really cool hiking down there with 5057 visible most of the way.

Once at the spring we took a lunch break and then headed off-trail up the eastern slope to a saddle on the ridge. Cresting that saddle, we had a great view of Weavers. We enjoyed the view for a few minutes, then headed to a lower saddle that we knew was above Peralta. We made it down to Peralta and back out to the car.

This was a fun hike, but it was longer and tougher than I expected! The views were great and the remoteness of the spring makes it very enjoyable!
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Willow Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Hard to say exactly the flow rate, but there was a big pool at the spring with a small outflow connecting to a couple smaller, lower pools. The lower pools were very clear.
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W Boulder Cyn to Willow SpringsPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking7.40 Miles 1,370 AEG
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This hike was torture on my arms and legs, but it was very enjoyable. I took a sick day from work and I've got two giveaways of my little white lie. 1. My car is covered in dust, and 2, my arms look like I've been wrestling with a cat. But all in all, this was totally worth it.

For a birthday present, I was given Carlson's Hiker's Guide to the Superstition Wilderness. I read it cover to cover and it got me feeling like I needed to view the history of the Supes, not just use the mountains for enjoyment. It was a similar feeling to when I was able to read about the Battle of Gettysburg, and then get a chance the next day to tour the battlefield.

Adolph Ruth was mentioned several times through the book and he ended up being shot and killed back in the Supes. I figured it would be a good idea to check out his old camp. The route from West Boulder Canyon looked more interesting than the route from First Water. The First Water route is rated a 4 here and the West Boulder Canyon route a 5.

I got to Carney Springs about 7:30 and headed up the trail. It didn't take long for me to shed my coat and fully drench my T-Shirt with sweat. I got to W. Boulder Saddle and scoped out a place to head down. My intentions were to hike along the Ridgeline trail a while then descend down the second side canyon into the main, but I didn't. I saw the first cairn off to the side and down I went. Heading down was actually kind of fun. There are spots of severe bushwhacking, but over all it wasn't too bad. You get used to being clawed at and having stuff fall in between your backpack and your neck. It is all part of the enjoyment.

After a mile or so, you have to head to the high ground. There were parts that were overly cairned, spray painted, and ribbon marked for my taste. I really didn't see the point. There is only 1 canyon and there is no way to get through the stuff down there, so that leaves only 1 option. Head high and go around it. Getting lost would be impossible so using that many markers was overkill to say the least.

After heading around, you descend back into the canyon. This is where it gets fun. There are spots of smooth granite floors, spots with large boulders, spots where you have to scoot low under some trees, and spots that would present very cool water falls. For my trip, there was no water along the entire path. It was very fast going once I got down there.

I reached the Willow Springs around 11 which put my travel time from the car at roughly 3 and a half hours. I ate my leftover pizza and polished off a bottle of gatorade. I filtered water out of the spring to refill my bladder and headed off to find the corral.

The things to look for are the trees. They are too neat and too out of place. I didn't even realize I walked through the gate of the corral until I was already in it. I can imagine with a little attention, this would have been a decent place to hang out. There is plenty of shade, an ever running spring, and seclusion.

I headed back and made good time. I kept getting drawn into the canyon where I should have stayed high, but oh well. It made for some interesting tracks and track backs.

I got back to the car just before 3, which put my hike time back right around 3 hours.

I'm planning on a Battleship hike in January, but I hope to get another history lesson before then. Maybe something around Bluff Spring....
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There was flowing water with plenty in available pools.
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W Boulder Cyn to Willow SpringsPhoenix, AZ
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We followed Fritzski's description of his way out which appears to match the West Boulder Trail route on the topo maps. We did not encounter any heavy bushwhacking since we did not drop directly from the Ridgeline trail into West Boulder creek.

The southern end of the West Boulder trail route involved light bushwhacking, then there were a couple short sections of moderate bushwhacking (maybe a quarter mile total). This was at a time when there was no flowing water. Flowing water would make the trip much more difficult

The 11 hour round trip included about an hour of cairn building and a half hour search for a lost camera.

We left the Ridgeline trail at:
N 33° 24' 32" W 111 22' 30"
and headed due North and down to the small creekbed that parallels the Ridgeline trail and then up to the saddle at:
N 33° 24' 36" W 111° 22' 32"

From the point we crossed the above small creekbed, our GPS track was a close match to the West Boulder trail route shown on the topo maps.

We dropped straight down to another small creek bed and then headed west. Most of the time we were on the north bank but sometimes in the creekbed.

We soon ran into lots of cairns on the north bank. At times, 3 cairns could be seen at once. There wasn't a trail but it was easy to pick a route from one cairn to the next. They were usually 10 to 50' feet above the creekbed on the north or east side and tended to follow the contour lines. The cairns lead you west to the junction with West Boulder creek and stay above it to the east.

We lost the cairns at one point as another creekbed came in from the East. We backtracked 50' and spotted the cairns continuing across this creek but somewhat to the West. We had to head west in this new creekbed for maybe 100' and then climb out.

Eventually the cairns drop you into the eastern channel of West Boulder creek. There is a short section where moderate bushwhacking is required but the creek bed soon opens up with a wide vegetation free channel with boulders or solid rock the rest of the way to Willow Springs. This starts about:
N 33° 25' 12.5" W 111 23' 06.3"
It only took an hour to get from this point to Willow Springs

Route finding was easier on the way to Willow Spring than the way back--even though we had our outgoing GPS track to help.

Thanks to whoever did a lot of work building cairns!
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W Boulder Cyn to Willow SpringsPhoenix, AZ
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Very scenic. This is a returner.
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