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Skunk Tank Trail #246 - 20 members in 82 triplogs have rated this an average 3.4 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Jan 08 2025
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63 male
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Quien Sabe PeakPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking7.95 Miles 2,124 AEG
Hiking7.95 Miles   4 Hrs   39 Mns   1.90 mph
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Started about 915ish in sub 50 degree weather. The high at the end was 58. The hike starts on trail 4 then crosses the road and the creek and then becomes a dirt road. I left the road headed towards the spring and stayed in the drainage for awhile. It was good until it wasn't. I headed out of the drainage and looked for a ridge to the cool peak. I love cows for many reasons but today because they opened up some pathways. There were also some game trails. The last climb up to QSM was so windy, I needed to take my hat off or risk losing it. The route off QSM was filled with shrubbery but not much catclaw. My hiking pole was my best friend today! My phone battery died a little before the end but RS saved everything up to then. Fun day!

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Nov 18 2023
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Mattys Cave Creek Loop, AZ 
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking14.98 Miles 2,295 AEG
Hiking14.98 Miles   6 Hrs   56 Mns   2.33 mph
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We decided to get out and appreciate the weather, since you can hike on a dry sunny day any damn time you want here. It was raining so hard on the drive in that Rackensack Creek was unexpectedly flowing at the 24 crossing. Once on trail, steady rain eventually tapered off into occasional showers before stopping and turning into one of those sunny days we have plenty of.

Skunk Tank is a hella boring road walk. I forgot how long it is to get up and around. We decided to skip the side trip to the summit and headed south on QS250 until it crosses Mattys Fork. From here it was off-trail adventure. Occasional signs of an old route appeared on the banks but were overgrown. The rain made everything wet and hopping down the canyon bottom was the better option.

The old cabin lost its legs and will not remain standing much longer. Lee pushed for the western high route which led us far astray and got us into some tricky terrain getting back to the creek bottom. The lower half of Mattys is a bit more open than the upper half and travel was quicker here.

Back on CC4 we made good time heading upstream, enjoying the flowing water, and early fall colors, encountering a couple walking their horses through one of the rougher sections of trail -- the only people we saw all day.

Lee wandered around Ashdale in a figure-8 pattern to make sure he got the extra .02 miles to say he did 15 ;) A handful of deer were the wildlife highlights on the day. It's always a great day when you hike with somebody else who doesn't mind driving!
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Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
Early colors getting started in the drainages with a stretch of pure gold near the ranch.
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Nov 18 2023
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Cave Creek Trail #4Phoenix, AZ
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We made a nice little loop in the northern CCRP on Saturday. We utilized Cave Creek Trail #4, Skunk Tank Trail #246 and an off-trail jaunt down Mattys Fork to connect our loop. Steady rain when we began, a lite drizzle for a few more miles, then a little 15 minute shower before the sun came out and conditions became downright pleasant. The cabin is no more and is well on its way to becoming a pile of junk in the forest. Similarly, the famed crested Saguaro along the Cave Creek Trail is down, but not entirely out, after shedding one of its heavy crested arms. Its still a nice crested, however, its certainly lost some of its mystique. Great day out overall and it was nice to get out with John and Chumley again. Its been awhile since I stretched my legs to the tune of 15 plus miles.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
Nice color in some spots and in particular near the start, but still a lot of green down stream.
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Aug 06 2023
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 Phoenix, AZ
Skunk Tank Trail #246Phoenix, AZ
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rcorfmanTriplogs 1,867
Hiking14.77 Miles 2,399 AEG
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Went out with a friend to find four geocaches hidden in May that had yet to be found. We started at the Seven Springs trailhead and took trail 4 to trail 246 and followed it up to around where the Quien Sabe trail starts. We hoped to make a loop of it, but there was an issue with one of the caches that we were able to resolve at our turn around point where we had just enough cell service to send and receive texts. So instead of the loop, we made the trip an out and back.

It was almost cold when we started at 6:00 AM with my truck's thermometer showing only 63 degrees. It was actually pretty nice all the way out but was getting hot on the descent back to trail 4. There was a bulldozer at Skunk Tank where a lot of work was being done to the tank. There was no water in it whatsoever.

My pack was heavier than normal at the start with 3L of water, 20oz of Gatorade and a beer. There was a really nice shady tree shortly before our turn around point where we stopped and had our beers and listened to AC/DC (the theme of the geocaches).

The few miles on trail 4 from Seven Springs go along a creek that had intermittent flow and a lot of shade. On the way back, we stopped to mix up some Gatorade, as I had brought my filter. We both needed that. I probably had one sip left and the man I was with didn't have much more. I'm really glad I thought to bring the filter as it would have been very unpleasant finishing the hike without it as we both would have been dry and it was probably around 100 degrees then.
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Mar 13 2022
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Cave Creek / Skunk Tank LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Jan 30 2022
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Skull Mesa from Cave Creek TH, AZ 
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trekkin_geckoTriplogs 4,660
Hiking20.04 Miles 4,132 AEG
Hiking20.04 Miles   10 Hrs   42 Mns   2.04 mph
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got an invite from linda to hike to skull mesa ruins
i was up on skull mesa in 2015 from spur cross so this route and destination would be new territory
we got started around 0700
a little cool for me, but no wind, a dry creek crossing and some elevation gain took care of that
revisited much of the route to quien sabe peak; i remember very little about that hike :?
past the turnoff to the peak, the rest of quien sabe trail was new to me, as was the skull mesa trail on the east side
we did actually find the trail for the switchbacks up to the mesa - followed it better on the way down
hit the high point once up top, then set out for the little peninsula to the northwest
there are traces of skull mesa trail, but we couldn't stay on it for long
a drop and a couple of hills to get to the peninsula
we explored some of the lower ruins and found plenty of pot sherds
made our way to the upper set of ruins
great views from up there
pretty amazing location
we had lunch and took photos then headed back
found a use trail that skipped the first hill
tried to stay on skull mesa trail again, but ended up going way north on our return
probably a half mile out of our way, but on such a nice day it didn't really matter
dropped off skull mesa, and got to regain the 700 feet up quien sabe trail :)
i may have mentioned to linda a few times that i needed the elevation gain for the month
the rest was mostly downhill on the old roadbeds
another successful creek crossing and we finished before sunset
thanks for including me in this one, linda
i loved the ruins, and that little point is a spectacular place
enjoyed the cave creek approach and seeing how the more obscure trails tie together
even got a high point
nice long day in perfect weather
all that and a bag of chips :lol:
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Skull Mesa from Cave Creek TH, AZ 
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I’ve had this hike on my radar since December, but kept getting distracted from actually getting it done, so I invited Kelly along so I couldn’t back out of it on yet another weekend.

Got to the Cave Creek TH just after 0700 and got started. Some cloud cover to start, but unfortunately it didn’t last too long. Got to the creek pretty quickly, and the water was low enough to cross easily.

Once on the other side, we headed up to Skunk Tank trail and headed west. Generally easy walking on the old road, although it is rocky in places.

At the junction with Quien Sabe trail, we headed south on Quien Sabe, again on a good trail/old road. After a steady uphill, we started dropping down and the road turned to just an old trail and faded somewhat after a while. It got easy to spot again as we continued heading downhill, but was once again rocky. After crossing a dry wash, the trail immediately headed back uphill, still vague in places.

We reached the junction with Skull Mesa Trail and took the south, then west. Again, a vague trail, but we had an idea of where we wanted to be and headed that direction, eventually finding the trail again and it steeply climbed the east slope up to Skull Mesa. Having at least an old trail bed to follow was a big help. Once atop the mesa, we headed over to the highpoint, then meandered off in the direction of the ruins. We weren’t too concerned with finding a trail, avoiding prickly pear was the main objective and as long as we were heading in generally the right direction, we were good.

As we got onto the peninsula leading to the ruins, we followed the obvious track. One scramble through the rocks, and a steep climb over the last little hill before the ruins. Some catclaw, but most easily avoided. We looked around the lower ruins, then headed up to the ruins at the top, where we had lunch. There were three other hikers up top, the only people we saw all day.

After we looked around and took plenty of pics, we headed back the way we came. At the little steep hill, Kelly spotted a trail leading around the southwest side of the hill. It completely avoided the steep climb up and over, so that is my new favorite detour.

Again a meander across Skull Mesa as we headed back east. We tried to follow cairns at times, but it turned into more of a scenic walk, which was fun to look around as we made our way over to where we drop off the mesa. After that, we retraced our steps all the way back to the trailhead, finishing up around sunset.

Great day, and a fun hike. While heading to the ruins from Spur Cross is certainly easier, this was a nice way to do something a little different. As always, good to hike with Kelly again.
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Quien Sabe PeakPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking11.86 Miles 2,331 AEG
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It had been almost five years since I'd hiked from Cave Creek Trailhead, and today the plan was to hike up to Quien Sabe Peak, a new one for both of us. It was a chilly morning, in the mid-30s when we arrived. There were three or four other cars in the parking lot, and two other hikers started out on the trail ahead of us.

We brought water shoes in case we needed to wade through Cave Creek at the first crossing, but the water was low enough that it was easy to walk across on the rocks, which was good news with the frigid temperature. As we made our way toward the Cottonwood/Skunk Tank intersection, the two hikers who'd started before us ended up behind us...they must have gotten turned around and had to backtrack.

It was a steady incline going up Skunk Tank #247, and we noticed the tailings from Quien Sabe Mine on the south side of the trail. There was a large, upside-down steel basin in the drainage below Quien Sabe Spring...looks like that's been there for at least a few years [ photo ] , but it's now in the drainage and not on the trail anymore.

We turned onto Quien Sabe #250 and left the trail ~ four miles in. It was relatively tame off-trail hiking...a little rocky, but the brush is mostly of the non-sharp variety. The first half mile of off-trail was steeper as we made our way along the west side of the ridge before getting up on top, where it flattened out. The final stretch approaching the peak was very similar to hiking across Skull Mesa--flat ground, dry grass, and prickly pear mixed in with the rocks.

The views from the peak were very nice...the Superstition ridgeline and Weaver's Needle, Four Peaks, Skull Mesa, and downtown Phoenix visible to the SW through the haze. The summit register jar had two notebooks inside...looking back at comments on old triplogs, the now rodent-chewed notebook that @KingSnake placed a few years ago was one of them [ photoset ] [ image ] :). There was a second, newer notebook, and both had quite a few familiar HAZ names, with the most recent signature from almost a year ago, in February 2021. It sounds like the register and a summit cairn used to be located on the slightly lower peak just east of Quien Sabe, but the register is now on the actual peak, and there's no cairn on the other one.

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We ate lunch at the top and started back down. Instead of following the same route, we ended up descending straight down the steep hillside off the ridge to intercept Quien Sabe Trail a little earlier and avoid some of the off-trail. By late morning/early afternoon, the weather had warmed up and become very pleasant, and aside from those two hikers earlier in the day, we didn't see anyone again until we were within a quarter mile of the trailhead. After finishing up the hike, we stopped at Sears-Kay Ruins on the drive back--a nice bonus to finish the day.
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Dec 11 2021
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 Mesa, AZ
Quien Sabe Trail #250Phoenix, AZ
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I can't remember exactly the last time I hiked the Quien Sabe Trail. I'm pretty sure it was before any of my kids were born, so probably 2003, maybe 2004. I started from the Seven Springs area and hiked the Cave Creek Trail to the Skunk Tank to the Quien Sabe. For the first 5 miles in, it was easy going on old mining roads. Then a quarter mile down from the high point on the Quien Sabe Trail, the trail fades significantly and is covered with grass and the potato sized lava rocks for a little stretch. It becomes more of a conventional single track as it cuts down the hill to the wash and then up the other side of that valley, but it's still pretty rough and slow going through the last mile and a half and then back.

The views at the high points are really nice. Nice to see the valleys below and glimpes up north to the mountains and south into Phoenix. Weather stayed cool the entire time. I figured I might start to sweat on the way up, but the higher you get the cooler it is, and the winds picked up a bit helping keep me cool as well. With all the mileage and AEG on this hike, I didn't even finish my 100 oz Camelbak bladder. Had lunch at the trailhead afterwards sitting at the concrete picnic table and it even felt almost chilly there after sitting for 10 minutes.

Didn't see one other hiker the entire time. No complaints, but I was surprised since the weather this time of year is perfect for this area.
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Cave Creek / Skunk Tank LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Backpack13.00 Miles 2,334 AEG
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We headed out to the Cave Creek trailhead in Seven Springs early on Friday morning for a 1-night backpack. Four of us backpacked the Cave Creek / Skunk Tank Loop in the clockwise direction, with an added 1 mile spur (2 mi. RT) to find a good campsite along Cave Creek.

The road to Seven Springs was fine even though we had 1/2 inch of rain the night before. Just a few sections of light muddiness. We hiked in from the Cave Creek trailhead, skirted the Seven Springs Campground, and soon got to the signed junction with the Cottonwood Trail. The signed junction is a few hundred yards after you cross the cattle fence on one of those ladder thingys. There is another false trail before the signed junction, so be sure not to take that.

Heading up Cottonwood Trail, you cross the creek and, if you're not careful, you can quickly lose the trail. Note that, after crossing the creek, the trail (counterintuitively) turns to the left and proceeds upstream for a bit before turning uphill. There are some cairns there for you to follow if you look for them. Once you start heading uphill, it turns into an old 2-track jeep road, so it's fairly easy to follow the trail all the way to Skunk Tank. After a short distance, you encounter another trail junction where Cottonwood Trail cuts off to the left and Skunk Tank Trail continues straight (which is the way you should go).

Skunk Tank Trail does some climbing over the next 3 miles or so with 3 distinct trail peaks and 1 mini-peak. You'll definitely feel it, especially if you're carrying a 30 lb pack but, on this cool winter day it didn't seem so bad. The trail's definitely rocky but the footing was decent throughout the whole loop. While the climb is steep at times, you are rewarded with some fantastic views of the surrounding mountains along the ridges (along with some of the healthiest looking saguaros I've seen anywhere). Once you've topped out at the 3rd peak (4100'), you'll see the signed junction for the Quien Sabe trail. Stay on Skunk Tank Trail and start your decent down to the Skunk Tank itself.

Upon arriving at Skunk Tank, the 2-track road comes to an end and you have to pick up a single track trail. This is tricky, so if you have GPS, use it. In a nutshell, right before you get to the tank, there is a faint trail to the right and a cattle fence with a sign that says "close gate after you." Cut through the cattle fence at that gate and follow the faint trail. The first 100 yards are the trickiest. A previous triplog said "stay to the left of the cut" which made no sense to me at the time, but when you see "the cut" (or gorge, or mini-canyon) you will know it. After that point, there's some mild uphill to get to a point where you can cross "Blue Rock Canyon" (at least that's what we called it). The trail is pretty easy to follow from that point all the way down to Cave Creek. At one point, we encountered a huge bull and 3 calves which alarmed us a bit, but they weren't happy to see us either so they started heading down the mountain in front of us. Turns out they were pretty surefooted so they went all the way down to Cave Creek (about 800' vertical down) in front of us. This was just a taste of things to come.

As you head down the last mile to Cave Creek, the views of "Blue Rock Canyon" and the surrounding terrain are absolutely gorgeous. And there's a spectacular array of saguaros that, as I said above, are the healthiest I've seen anywhere. I can't believe more people don't hike this trail. The scenery is fantastic. And we didn't see a single other person all day.

Now, here's what's not so fantastic. Once you get to the Cave Creek Trail, we headed left to find a campsite along the water. The cattle have overtaken this gorgeous, riparian area. We stopped about every 200 yards at potential campsites along the creek and there was so much cow poop there literally wasn't a spot to pitch a tent. Plus, the cattle have trampled everything in sight along the creek. It's a real shame. We backpacked this route in Feb 2020 (a shuttle hike from Seven Springs to Spur Cross) and I don't remember a single visible sign of cattle grazing. Now, it's a mess and, c'mon man, something needs to be done to save this wilderness.

Back to the hike... After heading ~1 mile south of the Skunk Tank trail junction, we found a suitable campsite along the creek that had a fire ring and less cow poop (not zero, mind you... just less). With some creative poop relocation, we were able to create a pretty nice campsite. That night, the low was 29 degrees, so it was a bit cool in the morning.

Our hike out on Cave Creek Trail #4 the next day was lovely but uneventful. Following the trail along the creek gave us completely different scenery vs. the day before. It took us about 3 hours to cover the 5 miles (with full packs and with occasional breaks).

Overall, this was an absolutely beautiful loop hike and I highly recommended it. There's very few people on the trail and we didn't see any other people camping on a Friday night. Even though I vented about the cattle grazing, don't let that stop you from going. We really need some more people to hike this loop to keep the trails from fading away.

Overall: 4.5 stars with the only deduction being due to the cattle situation.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Big Maggie May Medium flow Medium flow
The creek is flowing nicely

dry Quien Sabe Spring Dry Dry
No flow near the trail. I did not explore up to the spring itself

dry Skunk Tank Dry Dry
No water in the tank.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Skunk Tank Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
I could see pools down in the canyon but Cave Creek is so close (and flowing), so it's much easier to access.
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Skunk Creek-Quien Sabe-Skull Mesa-Cottonwood, AZ 
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ZortTriplogs 19
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Oh man, I just saw that this triplog was Hidden. There - now it's not. I'm sure the dry conditions haven't changed over the past week or so since I put myself through this, so be careful out there. And do a little rain dance while you're at it. :)

I wanted to throw out a quick trip report about this fairly mental mountain bike ride mostly to point out to folks that the creeks, seeps and springs in the Cottonwood area are VERY DRY right now. I made the really stupid mistake of thinking I'd find water in at least some of them, but found it in nearly none of them. It made for a very long, hard day.

Also, Skull Mesa is a disaster of knee-high grass gone to straw. I ended up throwing my socks away rather than try to clean out all the burrs, etc.

Water sources:
- Cave Creek, but I left that immediately to get onto Skunk Creek Trail
- Matty's Fork - There is a small muddy pool in the creek the cattle use some ways down from the trail crossing. This water settled out clear.
- Cottonwood - I couldn't find anything more than wet soil and maybe a trickle - didn't attempt to collect it.
- East Fork Bronco Creek - I've never wanted to pull water from the earthen cattle tank mud hole at the head of the East Fork of Bronco Creek, but I was sure glad find that rank bog still had some juice in it. Filtered through a beanie and then treated with Aqua Mira this cow pee and silt solution was bright green, but it saved my bacon. Any port in a storm...

On a positive note, Skunk Creek "Trail" was in very good shape. There were tracks from a side-by-side most of the way out to Quien Sabe trail. Quien Sabe is the same as it's been since that area was left to recover after the fire some 20 years ago. I did a bit of work to cut back prickly pear and (my arch-nemesis) catclaw from Quien Sabe, but there's PLENTY of work to be done out there. Plenty! The "trails" up and down Skull Mesa are the perfect trails to avoid, unless you insist on getting up on top of the Mesa. Using GPS to find the Skull Mesa trail would have been smart, but instead I carried my bike randomly across the mesa hopping over prickly pear every other step. Good times up there. No one else in sight! :D

Even Cottonwood is overrun with catclaw. Lots of work to do this winter to return the Maricopa Trail to an enjoyable state in that area. I was out of time, water and energy by the time I got there, so I just pushed my way through getting raked and scratched all the way.

Nearly 12 hours in the wilds, and I finally clawed my way out to the Bronco Trailhead. It was awful. It was awesome. I'd do it again! I'd bring a lot more water.

Apologies for not being able to add the two water sources I used, but I couldn't figure out how to do it - using Firefox 94.0.1 (64-bit).
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The cottonwoods were yellowing

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I found only trickles
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Cave Creek / Skunk Tank LoopPhoenix, AZ
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This is a beautiful hike. Need more people out here to keep the trails from fading away.

Got an 4:30 AM start on this so I could finish before it got really hot. The road in looks like it was recently bladed and is in good shape. Where Trail 247 leaves Trail 4 and crosses the creek, the preferred route is a little uncertain. Once across the creek, however, route finding is not difficult. If you look closely at my GPS track near Skunk Tank, you will see that I got off the trail for a while. Once I found it, I came back to the deep cut so I had a good track. Recommend staying to the left of the deep cut when leaving skunk tank, then cross it to stay on the best trail. Quite a bit of catclaw on the route. Long pants recommended at this time. Good water flowing in Cave Creek all along.

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There was muddy water in the tank.

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There were pools in the canyon just below Skunk Tank.
 
Jan 26 2021
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 Tempe, AZ
Cave Creek Trail #4Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 26 2021
chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking5.58 Miles 735 AEG
Hiking5.58 Miles   2 Hrs   43 Mns   2.12 mph
735 ft AEG      5 Mns Break
 
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The forecast was looking positively Norwegian and I'm not one to sit at home and watch TV when nature puts on a rare magic show. I'm also not one to fight dangerous highway conditions, traffic, collisions, and the other things that Arizona provides when the sky isn't blue. With the snow level set to drop below 2kft by Tuesday morning, I decide my best option was to wake up where I wanted to be, in a place that wouldn't also leave me stranded. The Beeline and I-17 were absolutely off-limits--just a bad idea for anybody who really thought about it. I'd never been past the Bartlett Lake turn in a desert snow before, and the last time was probably 20 years ago. The desert up there isn't the prettiest ... not a lot of saguaros and cliffs that make for dramatic photos. But it's amazing how much fun you can have when photos aren't the goal :? :sweat: So off I went....

I headed up toward Seven Springs and a severe line of storms came in during the afternoon and dropped an inch or two of snow across north Scottsdale, Carefree and Cave Creek. It made my drive more dicey than I anticipated. Nonetheless, I set up camp for the night and went out to gather some additional firewood. The Sheriff stopped as I was cutting a dead tree near the road to ask if I was aware of the forecast and to inform me that he had closed the road at Blue Wash. He was satisfied with my preparedness, and I was thrilled to know that nobody else would be driving out that way overnight :y: .

I managed to keep the fire going for a few good hours. It wasn't cold, maybe 30, but the snow was relentless. I slept well but had to get up every hour or so to knock the snow off the tent. Morning's light brought a winter wonderland as the snow continued to fall at a steady clip. Exactly what I had hoped for! :)

After some breakfast I set out for a snowy hike. Would I make the first ever snowshoe ascent of Quien Sabe Peak? :lol: :sweat: Nah. There was only about 8" of snow, so no reason for flotation. As I made my way across Cave Creek, up Cottonwood, and started the ascent on Skunk Tank, the snow and wind was borderline unpleasant. I only made it up about 400 feet before deciding to bail on any more climbing. Back down at the creek, I headed down #4 for a mile or so before heading back to camp.

I saw a truck at the Bronco trailhead on the drive out and the driver told me the road had been opened just about half an hour earlier. I was leaving just in time! :y:
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Feb 16 2020
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 Phoenix, AZ
Matty's Fork loop, AZ 
Matty's Fork loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Feb 16 2020
ShatteredArmTriplogs 356
Hiking14.86 Miles 2,337 AEG
Hiking14.86 Miles   6 Hrs   12 Mns   2.42 mph
2,337 ft AEG      4 Mns Break
 
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A couple years ago, while bushwhacking down from the Skull Mesa ruins, one of my adventure buddies and I decided it would be fun to try bushwhacking all the way up Matty's Fork from Trail 4 to Quien Sabe trail. We finally decided to make it happen.

To get to where Matty's Fork crosses Trail 4, it's about 5.5 miles from Seven Springs, or about 6.5 from Spur Cross. We decided to start from Seven Springs, since it's more scenic up there anyways. Saw some cattle down in the narrow part of Cave Creek, which is a shame. More on that later.

Heading up Matty's Fork, the flow in the creek was light at first, with algae. Saw some nice ponds in some areas. Some areas were dry, but there was flow in most of it. Farther up, the water started to get colder (and clearer).

Things got interesting about half way up, where there is a narrow section with some small waterfalls, and one very refreshing-looking pool that you have to do some very light scrambling to bypass. It was really a nice little stretch of creek, and a little unexpected considering I had never heard anything about this place.

Upstream from the narrows, some faint paths appear, some of which seemed like trail that was at one point actually built. Shortly after that, we ran into what seems like an old homestead (or grow op) with a picnic table and a shack that is about to fall over. It has been around since before the early 90s, based on dates carved into the wood. Really interesting, but slightly eerie, place.

Past the cabin the creekbed starts to narrow, resulting in more plants to navigate, but still nothing terrible. Eventually we hit Quien Sabe trail, and took a break before the grunt up the hill.

Half way up the climb on Quien Sabe, we hit a section of the old Jeep road that has been cleared very recently. From there all the way down to the Cartwright Ranch, you can now drive a car on it. It's also cleared down towards Skunk Tank, and there's a cleared road down to a tank higher up the canyon from Skunk Tank, where there was heavy equipment. Someone is obviously doing something out there - my guess is it's cattle-related, and the fact that I saw cattle for the first time down in Cave Creek is not a coincidence. What a shame.

Aside from learning about the recent pillaging of a beautiful area, it was a pretty fun day, and I'll definitely visit Matty's Fork again. It was very pleasant as far as off-trail desert hiking is concerned.

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Good flow in most of the creek. A few dry stretches.

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Plenty of water at trail crossing.

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Dec 28 2019
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69 male
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Quien Sabe PeakPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 28 2019
The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking12.65 Miles 2,642 AEG
Hiking12.65 Miles   5 Hrs   49 Mns   2.26 mph
2,642 ft AEG      13 Mns Break12 LBS Pack
 
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This was the 10th installment
of the Turtle and Eagle New Years-ish hike.

Weather this week forced us into Plan-B mode.

A cool pre-dawn start and an early cold wet Cave Creek crossing set the mood.

The steady climb up Skunk Tank and then Quien Sabe trails got us into thicker and thicker fog.
This made the off trail to the peak a bit more challenging than usual. We could not actually see the peak, until we were about 30' away. We took our usual group photo at the peak, as the light snow, turned into large flakes, coming down quite heavy. A quick snack, in lieu of lunch and we retreated off the peak.

Partway down, the snow stopped, the fog began to subside and we were treated to some incredible views.
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Back at the saddle and trail, we enjoyed the warmth of a bit-o-sun.

The rest of the return was uneventful. Even the creek crossing seemed warmer.

Good hiking with John, Kelly, Dave, Denny again and with Linda for the first time.

Happy New Year All!

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Flowing well after recent rains
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Dec 28 2019
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45 female
 Joined Dec 24 2007
 Ahwatukee, AZ
Quien Sabe PeakPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 28 2019
LindaAnnTriplogs 2,600
Hiking12.12 Miles 2,562 AEG
Hiking12.12 Miles   5 Hrs   49 Mns   2.22 mph
2,562 ft AEG      22 Mns Break
 
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I think today’s weather may have been custom ordered just for me—cloudy, foggy, and snowy—I loved it. Nobody else seemed to be quite as thrilled with the cold and soggy conditions, but then again, I may have been the only one with dry feet. Thank you to everyone who piggybacked me across the creek...

Got started from the trailhead just before light. Water in various forms was the theme of the day right from the start. Got across the creek without incident. Muddy trail beyond that. The low clouds and fog obscured most landmarks, so much of the trail was kind of a blur.

The off trail portion to the summit was much easier than I had anticipated, which was a welcome surprise. We started seeing snow on the ground through here, which steadily as we climbed. Thanks to the fog, having a preloaded track was a huge help. As we stood around the summit, snow began to fall. Since we were all cold, we didn’t spend much time up there. The snow trailed off as we descended.

Easy hike down once we were back on trail, mostly just a matter of staying upright in the mud. There were a few short uphill portions on the return, and I made sure to whine about every one of them. There were a few flurries of snow just before we finished.

Temps at the trailhead were 36 at the start and 41 at the finish, and felt at least 5 degrees colder at the summit. Fun hike with a great group of hikers!
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Dec 28 2019
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 phoenix, az
Quien Sabe PeakPhoenix, AZ
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trekkin_geckoTriplogs 4,660
Hiking12.20 Miles 2,400 AEG
Hiking12.20 Miles   5 Hrs   49 Mns   2.22 mph
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got to tag along on bruce & denny's new year's hike
plan a was lime creek cabin, but weather dictated a change to plan b
hadn't done either hike, and always like to get a new peak - this one had been on my wish list
met up at 0600, piling in with linda and bruce for the drive up to seven springs
plenty of rain had fallen, and all washes had running water
got going around 0700, just barely light enough to see without a headlamp
37 degrees and it didn't warm up much from there
temps were best experienced crossing cave creek only 3/4 mile into the 12 mile hike :lol:
feet and hands were cold most of the day after that, but enough of an ascent to keep the core temp warm
skunk tank and quien sabe trails were new to me
muddy trail, low clouds and fog
started seeing snow on the ground at the turn off for the peak
easy enough off trail, except for actual snowfall as we reached the summit
unique conditions made up for missing views, but we didn't hang around beyond the 2020 photo shoot
a little slow dropping down off the peak
back on trail, the sun almost came out
uneventful return, and the creek crossing didn't seem as cold
fun hike with a good crew in spite of conditions
thanks for the invite, guys, and thanks to linda for driving us from north scottsdale - we owe you a car wash
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Dec 28 2019
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 Mesa, AZ
Quien Sabe PeakPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking12.65 Miles 2,642 AEG
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Another end of the year/ 🥳New year hike with my buddy Bruce and some other top notch Hazers 😀. All the rain this week made this one a little muddy. A lot more energy spent trying to stay upright. Views on the way up were limited. We did see a whitetail and a couple cottontail. We made it to the summit and were greeted by a Sabe blizzard 😳🤣. It got cold but was kinda cool. Took our New Year pic and headed down. We still had to slip and slide on the way down but the skies opened up a little and we got some nice views. We had some cold feet but the temps were bearable. Fun group! Thanks to Bruce for planning this one and along with Linda doing the driving. Thanks to The whole group. Like HAZ you rock! Happy New Year to you and the whole HAZ community! 🥳😁
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Nov 02 2019
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 Phoenix, AZ
Quien Sabe PeakPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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ShatteredArmTriplogs 356
Run/Jog14.46 Miles 2,697 AEG
Run/Jog14.46 Miles   5 Hrs   23 Mns   2.89 mph
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I've jogged and hiked around the Cave Creek trail system quite a bit (my favorite in the general Phx vicinity), and when one of my friends suggested we summit Quien Sabe Peak, I did not oppose. One member of our group had the GPX route that has you going all the way up the ridge as soon as Quien Sabe trail crosses (the route on the guide). I suggested we take Quien Sabe all the way to the saddle before where it drops down to Mattys Fork.

Started at the gate on the road leading out to the old ranger station, and headed for Skunk Tank trail. I've done the Skunk Tank loop before, so knew what to expect... It was in the mid 40s at the start, but quickly heated up on the exposed trail. Headed south on Quien Sabe all the way to the saddle. It looked like the best way up would be up the draw, in a grassy area, instead of on the ridge. Turned out to be a pretty easy bushwhack to the summit. I think this route is probably far superior to the one that follows the ridge the whole way up; you can make much better time on the old Jeep road.

On the way down, we decided to take a detour and complete the Skunk Tank loop, with Cave Creek flowing. Stopped at the swimming hole for a bit (turns out the water is really cold, even in the desert), and then proceeded back to the car. Trail 4 is one of my favorites, and the leaves were popping a mile or so from the TH.
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Still green a couple miles from the ranch, and a lot of fallen leaves in the Seven Springs area. Some good yellow foliage in between.
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Oct 19 2019
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 Mesa, AZ
Cave Creek / Skunk Tank LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking avatar Oct 19 2019
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Hiking11.10 Miles 1,944 AEG
Hiking11.10 Miles   5 Hrs   43 Mns   1.94 mph
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The first time I did this hike, it was June 2002. It was the first time I hiked in this area, so I didn't realize how long the drive was to get out there. I saw the hike in the 100 Classic Hikes in AZ book and it said 8 miles. It's more like 11. I mistakenly thought it would be a casual Sunday afternoon hike. I remember driving home in the dark and having to get up early for work the next day.

This time I got a much earlier start, and decided to hike it in October, when the weather is cooler and the 7 Springs area has a lot of fall color. It was pretty cool in the morning, but it warmed up quickly once the sun hit, as usual. The Cave Creek Trail is nice in the level spot, and then as it climbs and descends, the rockiness starts to wear a bit. Nice pools of water to be seen below.

Quien Sabe gives the best vista views on this hike. Got a glimpse of the Skull Mesa ruins just at the bottom of the trail. It's a big climb, but it doesn't seem too bad since it's not really steep at all.

Skunk Tank Trail is a pain. Loose potato sized rocks everywhere. For a trail that loses all that elevation from the high point of this hike (going counter clockwise), there sure are a lot of uphill sections. At Quien Sabe spring I got sidetracked off the main trail, which added about a total 0.4 miles to the hike.

On my 8th mile, Route Scout glitched out on me and didn't record for nearly a mile. It suddenly started again on its own and gave a much longer reading of 44 minutes for that mile, which was really 1.5 miles. After that it was fine. the route is posted so I could measure my sidetracked portion to get my total mileage.

Packed a lunch but ate at the car when I was done, then had to manage my way through detours on the way home since the 101 south was closed until about 2 pm.
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