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Big Lake Knoll #627A - 5 members in 7 triplogs have rated this an average 3.2 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Sep 22 2023
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Hiking17.83 Miles 1,855 AEG
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Day 2 in the White Mountains

After a chilly, noisy night of elk bugling, we met at the Turtle Thompson Trailhead to set up a shuttle. We left a car there and then proceeded to the West Fork Trailhead to start our hike. We planned to rendezvous with Denny again at the Thompson Trailhead after completing the first leg of our hike.

Indian Springs Loop
We began by taking the 0.5-mile connector trail that leads to the Indian Springs Trail. This trail starts on a pleasant old railroad grade, and we followed it clockwise toward the official trailhead. While crossing FR249, we bumped into Denny, who was returning from his hike and heading back to the trailhead for a well-deserved nap.

Our route took us up to the site of the old Big Lake Lookout (LO) for some fantastic views of the surrounding area. Along the way, we had to navigate through some downed trees.

Continuing on the loop, we passed by the intriguing Spillman Spring log troughs.

West Fork Trail
After reuniting with Denny, we began our descent down the trail. One of the highlights of this trail was the descent to the Black River.

West Fork Loop Trail - 630
From there, we followed the West Fork Loop Trail. Some of us really enjoyed this small loop that led away from the Black River, taking us to an old road/single track that circled a picturesque meadow and creek. This eventually led us back down to the Black River, near where the West Fork Trail ended.

Thompson Trail
The highlight of the day was my first time hiking on the Thompson Trail, and hopefully not my last. It's a relatively straightforward hike alongside the Black River, offering stunning views of its numerous cascades. Surprisingly, we encountered quite a few people on this trail for a Friday, with both hikers and anglers enjoying the surroundings. We took some time to appreciate the river and the fish dams.

We'd like to extend our gratitude to Denny for joining us on this hike and helping to arrange the shuttle.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Indian spring is in a pool The pool appears to be almost completely full

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Spring troughs are right on trail pipe is running about a gallon a minute
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Day two of our White Mountains adventure.
At dawn we were up making breakfast and coffee.
We met The Turtle at the trailhead to set up our shuttle. Thanks Denny!
A long day hiking, but we stayed below 10,000 feet elevation which helped with the altitude acclimation process. I had a tough time yesterday with the altitude.
Hiking along the Black River was super scenic and highlight of the day.
Fun day. :)
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chilly morning at 9000 feet
up at first light, we had coffee and breakfast before heading off to meet denny
three of us started off from the west fork trailhead on the indian springs trail
this one was new to me and while not scenic, it was interesting
the best part was the big lake lookout
met back up with denny and had some lunch, then we all started down west fork trail
bruce had found a little loop that went from the intersection of west fork and thompson trails
up a shallow canyon then along an old roadbed, dropping back into the black river
we had a snack break, then finished up on the thompson trail, which was the prettiest of the day
it was nice of denny to meet up with us for the hike and shuttle
good day with some new and some old scenery
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Indian Springs Trail #627Alpine, AZ
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Needed some activity, white mountains were right there, so I decided to check out the Indian Spring loop with a couple options for bonus mileage. Traffic was light this weekend! Started at 7:30am from the TH on the north side, then headed CW towards Big Lake Knoll. A little deadfall near the top, but otherwise not bad. Better view than expected.

The rest of the eastern portion of the loop was nice; all burn scar, but with all the aspens growing in, it doesn't seem like it as much.

Took West Fork Trail all the way to the end of Thompson Trail, then started back. By the time I got back to Indian Spring trail, I was about ready to be done, but still had 2.5 miles to go. It was over before I knew it.

Had I started an hour later, I very likely would've gotten absolutely soaked. Weather was perfect, mostly cloudy.

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Karl and I took a leisurely start to the day and settled on a nonbaldy option, instead heading out on the Indian Spring Loop. As we walked I tried to remember how long it had been since I had last done this one. I concluded 21 to 23 years, but upon getting home learned it has only been 19. :sweat:

The two and a half miles on the southernmost part of the loop are in a depressing severe burn area that has shown very slow signs of recovery. The rest of the loop is making nice progress and is almost pleasant again. In another 19 years, it'll be quite a lovely forest again, save for another catastrophic fire.

Some of the photos I pulled up from 2004 made remarkable comparisons to current day. The tower is gone, but the views remain largely unchanged. The summit appears to be the only real destination on this trail, with plenty of lakeside campers making the short trip to visit. The rest of the loop was deserted.

Robust aspen regrowth would make this one an especially pretty hike in the fall.

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Not sure of the actual flow, but plenty of clear water in the pool.

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Nice flow despite the years taking a toll on the hollowed out logs used as troughs.
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I decided to head to the White Mountains for a couple of days of hiking various peaks. On day one I went to:
* Antelope Mountain
* Wahl Knoll
* Pat Knoll
* Big Lake Knoll

These hikes started from different places, and there was a good bit of driving going from peak-to-peak.

Antelope Mountain
This one reminded of hiking to Greens Peak, which isn't too far away.

I hiked up and down forest roads, and views were nice the entire way. At one point I crossed into the State Land Trust, but I had my permit so I was legal.

There are not many trees at the top, so views of the area are quite expansive.

Wahl Knoll
At an elevation of 9,768', Wahl Knoll is the 26th highest peak in AZ. As a frame of reference, it is 9' higher than Chiricahua Peak.

I parked on a forest road, and more or less bushwhacked my way to the summit. There is a jeep road that goes to the summit from the west, which would be an easier way up that the route that I took.

Views at the summit are nice, and there are a number of entries in the log book at the summit, so people seem to come up here frequently.

Pat Knoll
Pat Knoll was the former site of a fire lookout many, many years ago. I have seen the lookout described as a "crow's nest", which implies that it was built in a tree instead of being a standalone structure.

Here is an anecdote that I saw about the Pat Knoll Lookout:
May 25, 1917: "About eleven o'clock on the morning of May 16, a big smoke was sighted from the Supervisor's office in Springerville, Arizona. At nearly the same time the Pat Knoll Lookout, Escudilla Lookout and the big Lake Lookout Stations reported a fire to the Supervisor's office over the phone. It was discovered the fire was only a short distance from the Pat Knoll Lookout Station, so Mr. Ellis Wiltbank, the lookout, was instructed to go at once. As Rangers Swapp and Rencher were in the office at the time of the discovery, they, with Administrative Assistant Billingslea started immediately. In two hours they arrived to find several cattlemen and sheep men already fighting it. After burning 100 acres the fire was put under control.
The fire was started by a Mexican sheepherder who had built his camp fire in some heavy bunch grass. He was arrested by the Forest officers above mentioned and brought to Springerville and they then took him to St. Johns, Arizone, and his trial was held the next day, May 17, and a fine of $25.00 was imposed." (The Copper Era and Morenci Leader)
To get there, I parked my truck on a forest road and walked mostly through open country to get to the summit.

Big Lake Knoll
I started from the Indian Springs TH, and took the Indian Springs Trail to a spur trail that goes to the summit of Big Lake Knoll. I returned the way that I came.

There used to be a fire lookout on Big Lake Know, but the lookout was overrun by flames and was destroyed by the Wallow Fire on June 3, 2011.

The views were nice up there, and I was glad that I made the hike.

Synopsis
I thought that Antelope Mountain was the best of the bunch, but they all are worth checking out if you are in the area. There were pockets of yellow aspen leaves here and there, which was an added bonus.

The mileage and AEG for these 4 summits are below. Stats above are the sum of these 4.

Antelope Mountain: 4.7 miles with an AEG of 814 feet
Wahl Knoll: 1.6 miles with an AEG of 512 feet
Pat Knoll: 1.8 miles with an AEG of 335 feet
Big Lake Knoll: 2.4 miles with an AEG of 449 feet
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There were a number of pockets of yellow aspen leaves on these hikes. This area was torched by the Wallow Fire in June, 2011, so most of the aspens were fairly small (6'-15' high).
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I hiked the Indian Springs Trail on July 8-9, 2004 as part of an overnight backpack trip that included the West Fork Trail #628 and the Thompson Trail #629. The Indian Springs Trail portion is a very suitable day-hike and is a loop, so there's no reason to turn around and head back the same way you came (always a bonus IMO).

This trail is excellently maintained by the forest service. The first 3 miles between the trailhead and Indian Spring is the most scenic part of the hike, traversing along Big Lake Knoll through fairly dense pine and lots of Aspen. The 1-mile round trip spur trail to the Lookout is definitely worth it, and while the trail isn't quite as smooth and nice as the main trail, it's easy nonetheless.

The best part of this hike is that it is at about 9000 feet. Perfect for mid-summer. We got off to an early start from the trailhead, and arrived at the lookout tower (elev. 9415) just as the forest service employee was arriving for the day. I helped her haul a couple of gallons of water and supplies up the tower, and observed as she radioed in her morning report... no rain, mostly cloudy, 63 degrees. She said it had been hovering in the low 80s on sunny afternoons.

The Nuttall Fire burning on Mt. Graham in southern Arizona was spewing smoke thousands of feet in the air and was clearly visible over 100 miles to our south. A couple of miles to the east, the charred forest left by the Three Forks Fire a few weeks earlier was clearly seen. The Lookout employee indicated that the Three Forks Fire had been a very beneficial fire to forest health, destroying primarily low-lying fuels, but not burning in the tops of the pines, so that was good to hear.

After about half an hour in the tower, we headed back down the spur to reconnect to the trail and pick up our packs which we had conveniently left behind. (Why carry all that weight 1/2 mile and up 300 feet just to return?)

The trail continued around the mountain, to Spillman Spring, providing a respite for my yellow lab, Kai, who found it necessary to use the hollowed-out-logs as his personal swimming pool. From here, the trail slowly descended until it encountered an open meadow, following an old forest road along the meadow.

This part of the trail was much less scenic, though I suspect it would be nicer in spring or late summer, when adequate moisture would make the meadow more green and lush. The fire tower employee had told us that there had been a couple of rain showers about a week earlier, but that they had totalled only about an inch of rain, so it was still quite dry across the forest.

The hike along the meadow was a slight but steady downstream grade. We stopped past Indian Springs, despite the lack of shade, cow pies, and general lack of water. Kai once again found a puddle deep enough to lay down in and cool off, but his resulting stink of cattle, and stagnant mud wasn't a good one.

The meadow condinued for about a half mile past Indian Spring before intersecting another drainage, where the trail turned upstream, along an old logging railroad grade, which I later researched and learned had been disassembled in 1976. The next three miles was a slow but steady climb along the cindered grade, but offered little in the way of views, scenery, or shade. I'm sure that wildlife can be seen here regularly, but we didn't come across any.

The trail intersects the turnoff for the West Fork Trail #628, where we turned off. For the purpose of this trail description however, I'll continue as we returned here the next day on our way back to the trailhead.

The railroad grade continues for about another mile before turning back under the forest canopy. This part of the trail continues a slight uphill grade and nears FR 249E, leaving the occasional sound of passing vehicles to interrupt your nature experience. It traverses an open meadow with great views of the lookout tower we visited earlier, before crossing FR 249E and heading north toward Big Lake.

The trail again meanders through dense Aspen and pine, and at one point comes so close to a campground at Big Lake, that we could see a couple of RVs parked through the trees. Sure enough, we cross a spur trail that leads to the campground, but continue on as the trailhead (and the best tasting beer ever) await just around the corner.

The trail descends back to the road, and the trailhead is right there. A great day trip if you're in staying in the White Mountains, and a very enjoyable overnight trip for those of us that think the White Mountains is a little far from home. As we relaxed at the trailhead, we encountered a couple of groups of hikers planning to hike at least to the lookout tower. This is a very popular hike, and I would recommend a weekday if you prefer solitude on your hikes.

Over the 4th of July weekend, over 400 people had signed the guestbook at the lookout tower - in just ONE day! That being said, except for the people at the trailhead, we did not encounter a single other person on the entire hike - on Thursday and Friday.

We did see a pair of coyotes wandering across the meadow adjacent to the trailhead at the conclusion of our trip, despite it being mid-afternoon and sunny. I was hoping they were the endangered Mexican Grey Wolf that is in the area, but wasn't that lucky.

As I said before, we hiked the West Fork Trail and Thompson Trail as part of our trip, and I've posted descriptions of those trails too.

As a loop hiked by itself, Indian Springs would probably take about 3 hours because of the great trail conditions and easy grades. (More if you visited the lookout tower...) Definitely a nice 9000-foot break from the summer heat though.
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