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Ken Patrick Trail - 16 members in 36 triplogs have rated this an average 3.3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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May 18 2024
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 Tucson, AZ
Uncle Jim TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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azdesertfatherTriplogs 1,145
Hiking5.47 Miles 833 AEG
Hiking5.47 Miles   2 Hrs   23 Mns   2.38 mph
833 ft AEG      5 Mns Break5 LBS Pack
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Lots of horse or mule poop. Lots of deadfall, lot of it really old and decayed. Similar views to Widforss but route not nearly as nice and most of route has no canyon views.
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Jul 03 2023
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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Hiking14.11 Miles 4,770 AEG
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Finally got to this beautifully gritty loop. It just needs a little TLC! :) I chose CCW for several reasons: 1] I believe it's the more difficult direction. 2] Early pass-through of the extensive Supai trail damage below the tunnel on the North Kaibab before any possible closure delays (not sure if the crews were on leave). 3] Semi-shadier on the last rim dash (KP) with a more logical pause to enjoy a beer, instead of a sunny, crowded and touristy North Kaibab ascent.
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Jul 10 2022
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Ken Patrick TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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Hiking3.20 Miles 820 AEG
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We only hiked one way from Cape Royal Road to Point Imperial. The locust thickets were brutal on the route, so we walked/jogged the Point Imperial road back to our 4runner.
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Apr 02 2022
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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shelby147Triplogs 119
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I completed this route as an R3 trip (SK-Old BA-KP-NK-BA), with one night on the north rim. It was a bear of a trip but perfect for me - my goals were to explore a new area of the canyon and practice my route-finding skills. I also much preferred the views I had here to the Roaring Spring drainage.

This route wasn't a casual hike, but I didn't want casual. 1 mile/hr was about the best that could be done on Old BA. In many sections I was pushing through scratchy barberry and oaks that had grown into the trail. But, the brush wasn't bad or consistent enough to convince me to put on pants in the heat. I also managed without poles, though they would have been helpful. A downloaded route sped things up, but the faint trail, cairns, and knowledge of the route would have been enough to get through. I also think the upper section was somewhat easier for me because the shrubs were still leafless.

Through the bright angel shale, the trail is narrow and eroding. You traverse steep scree where your feet slide a bit. The correct stream crossing was not difficult to find travelling upward (I read about stream traps). However, immediately after crossing the trail becomes much more difficult to follow, apparently splitting into a network of barely-there cairned routes that made for very slow, tedious progress up and down the slope when I really just wanted to traverse it. The trail re-emerged clearly and was almost pleasant below and through the redwall. On top of the redwall, the trail again disappears - here, you follow the wash until finding a large cairn that leads you up the far side. Through the Supai and Coconino I had no issues following the trail, but I lost it on the final 300 vert push up a slope. After leaving the creek, I found flowing water in the small side drainage the trail contours through and in potholes on top of the redwall. I already was carrying water for the night from Manzanita, though.

Ken Patrick trail still had some snow patches which I had to posthole through (up to mid-thigh; this was the worst part of my trip). I saw some fresh cougar tracks along the trail and no sign of humans - fun. There were nice views across the canyon just west of the Old BA TH and just east of NK.
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Sep 06 2021
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 Colorado Springs
Ken Patrick TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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Ken Patrick TrailNorthwest, AZ
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North section only, Cape Royal Road to Point Imperial (out and back).
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May 31 2021
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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John9LTriplogs 1,647
Hiking15.00 Miles 4,500 AEG
Hiking15.00 Miles   8 Hrs   36 Mns   2.08 mph
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We started our day camped around 9K ft on the Kaibab Plateau. We would pack up our camp and then drive to the North Kaibab Trailhead. We scored a parking spot on the road roughly a quarter mile back & started hiking a few minutes before 8am.

Our hike started with the Ken Patrick Trail. The going is relatively easy as you work your way through the forest. I found myself out of breath and remembered we’re hiking above 8K ft. We set a steady pace and headed for the start of the Old Bright Angel Trail. We arrived at the sign and took a short break to fuel up and apply sun screen. It was then go time!

The Old Bright Angel Trail starts off with a steep descent and then you have to push through an overgrown section. This initial section was a bit confusing but we had a GPS Route preloaded and this kept us on track. After pushing through the brush the route is mostly obvious as it drops into the Canyon. It’s a mix of heavy brush and a lot of downed trees to navigate over. The views are spectacular! We set a modest pace and worked our way down. Most of this was shaded as its east facing and it was still early so the sun was not overhead yet. We continued down and it’s rugged with steep switchbacks through the Coconino & then easy going for a bit. We arrived in the creek bottom and took a much needed break.

After our break we continued to the top of the Redwall. From here the route stays high on the right as it traverses its way down canyon. The footing is poor as its loose & off camber. We carefully worked our way down as we got closer to the bed of Bright Angel Creek. Along this stretch we crossed the top of a solid waterfall coming off a side drainage. Soon after we arrived at Bright Angel Creek & took another break. This area was very confusing as we weren’t sure if you follow the creek or climb back up in hopes of finding the trail. We would split up and got lucky & found the trail about 100ft above the creek. This section was rocky & off camber but relatively straightforward. We kept at it and could see the North Kaibab Trail straight ahead. A few minutes later our route turned to the left and headed south. We stayed high and followed the trail. There’s a route but sections are in poor shape. It’s steep with poor footing but we got through fine. A few minutes later we arrived at the bridge by the Manzanita Rest House where we took an extended lunch and soaked our feet in the frigid Bright Angel Creek.

After our break it was time for the slog up the North Kaibab Trail. It’s been about three years since I’ve hiked this trail and I was pleasantly surprised to see the trail conditions are top notch! No wonder so many people like to trail run it. We set a steady pace & headed up & we got lucky with some clouds that provided pockets of shade. The going went well & we encountered more people as we ascended. The climb up the Supai took some work and the Coconino was hardy as well. I took a break near the top of the Coconino & then continued up. I was delighted to arrive back on the rim and the end of the hike. We would load up and then headed north and camped near Jacob Lake & returned to Phoenix the next day.

The Old Bright Angel Trail was a joy to hike. It’s not easy but is worth the effort. I would recommend having a GPS Route loaded. This saved time & effort. All in all it was a great holiday weekend getaway and I’m already thinking about the next trip to the Grand Canyon! It never gets old!
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 Phoenix, AZ
Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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This was the second day hike of the weekend and Old Bright Angel trail was the objective. I hiked it several years ago with Kathy and definitely gave me reason to hike it again. The old trail is mostly followable and there are usually very visible trail construction especially on the top half. Everything above the redwall was built to last with some nice switchbacks even though it's overgrown. Below the redwall it's tougher to follow the trail which has some loose and sketchy sections to negotiate. Eventually we dropped down to Bright Angel Creek which has some great pools and very scenic part of the trail. However, that scenery comes at a price in tough route finding and rough terrain. This was the only section where the old trail is difficult to find and follow. After following the creek right for about 3/4 of a mile the trail crosses and follows creek left. It continues on the left side down canyon until it reaches the North Kaibab Trail and the bridge at the Manzanita rest area. Of course we did not see anyone on Old BA which we pretty much expected.

At Manzanita rest area we took an good long break to rehydrate and sit by the creek for awhile. After that it was the long uphill but being on trail was refreshing. I was also expecting more North Kaibab hikers but really wasn't too many out this weekend. There was trail reconstruction going on in the redwall section with 5 park service guys working very hard to redo the trail. Thanked them for their hard work and continued up the trail. At the top it was nice to be done and happy to see Old Bright Angel trail again!
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Butte Fault Loop, AZ 
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Disclaimer: This is not a very good route, and I do not recommend it. It is of course incredibly scenic and geologically (and historically) fascinating, but there are long sections of unpleasant hiking due scratchy brush and lots of loose, sharp rocks. I like hiking off trail as much as the next guy, and have done a lot of it in the desert and elsewhere, but this is non-terrific. IMO, this route if for Grand Canyon aficionados only. Also, there are long distances between reliable water sources. Buzz & I are strong, experienced hikers, and were able to camp at water every night. Others may have to dry camp at times. As always, YMMV.

The GPS track to this trip is attached. It is also available here: https://caltopo.com/m/78G3
These are from Buzz's Strava https://www.strava.com/athletes/184882, edited somewhat to remove GPS errors and such. You can also view more photos on there.

I read whatever trip reports I could find for this route and studied it carefully to come up with a track to load into Gaia on my phone. This turned out pretty well. We did find some of the route descriptions to be confusing and sometimes just wrong. So maybe our GPS track will help future hikers.

April is the best time to do this hike due to good weather, long days, and not too much snow on the North Rim. Unfortunately, the North Rim is mostly inaccessible in April. We simply added a bit of on-trail hiking by starting at the South Rim and making a lollipop loop. There are certainly other, shorter ways to do this, such as by starting at the Nankoweep TH and ending on the South Rim, which of course would require a shuttle. We figured a little extra hiking was simpler than dealing with logistics.

We didn’t want to camp on the North Rim, which would have been at least 15 degrees colder than anywhere else on the route, so we took a short first day and hiked the South and North Kaibab trails ~14 miles to Cottonwood CG.

Leaving camp at 6am on Day 2 was the last time we saw any people for over 3 full days. We decided to go up the Old Bright Angel trail, since neither of us had done it, and it seemed more in character with the route we were doing. Though easy to follow, Old BA is very overgrown in many sections and kind of a thrash. Buzz commented that in 5 years it will no longer be a viable route due to the brush. Though I think ~ 3 miles shorter I believe it took longer to go this way than just following the main trail. There was some post-holing on the Ken Patrick Trail, and we just did a short bush-whack up to the main paved road on the North Rim. Hiking on the closed paved road was of course fast and pleasant. We were relying on finding water at Neal Spring, which is on the USGS map, but it turns out the spring does not exist in real life. Which left us facing a very long stretch with no water, since we had not carried extra water up from Bright Angel Creek. Fortunately the weather was very cool (40s) and we found patches of snow that we could eat to sustain us passably well. Going down Nankoweep Trail the ephemeral spring near Marion Point was bone dry. Having made a really dumb route finding error earlier in the day which cost us over 90 minutes, we finally reached Nankoweep Creek ~ 90 minutes after dark. About 24 miles for the day, mostly on trail.

On Day 3 we hiked ~16 miles (all off trail) to upper Lava Creek. The only water between Nanko and Lava was in Kwagunt Creek. We carried plenty out of Kwagunt, but the day was cool enough and we didn’t have a problem. Route finding is easy – you’re just following along the obvious fault – and there were no technical difficulties. There don’t seem to be great (or any) established camp sites in upper Lava, but we found a very reasonable spot.

The hike from Lava Creek to Juno Saddle is definitely the technical crux of this route. It is brushy, steep, loose and I’d say dangerous. We started by heading up Lava Creek past the source spring. There is a large Tapeats abutment on the south side of the Lava Creek. We went just past the abutment and found an easy (though very brushy & steep) route up through the Tapeats. From there we continued up a bit and then descended into the main creek just below the junction of the 2 major arms of this drainage. We then turned up the (hiker) left drainage. Everyone says don’t miss this drainage, but it is obvious. The trouble begins after this point. You are not going all the way to the head of this drainage. Instead, at some point you will turn right and head up the slope out of the drainage, which is very steep, loose and overgrown. We turned out of the drainage at around 5200’, heading for the right side of an obvious tower (which turns out to be more of a fin). This was a lousy route, but I don’t know if there is a better one. About 100 vertical feet lower than where we left the drainage there is an obvious chute entering from the right. I would think that would be a better route, but since the route description we were following didn’t say “take the obvious chute at 5100 feet” we didn’t go that way. Anyway, we just kept thrashing our way up and eventually found ourselves on top of the Redwall and had an easier walk over to the saddle at 6012’. Descending Unkar was straightforward. At 4700’ there’s a cairn marking where you have to exit the drainage hiker left to bypass a dryfall. Going up the southwest arm of Unkar you will bypass a similar dryfall by climbing out of the drainage hiker left. The ascent up this arm of Unkar is straightforward with a lot of boulder hopping/scrambling but no route finding issues. The descent from the Redwall saddle into Vishnu is also obvious. Just head down (steep & loose!) into the drainage. After several hundred vertical feet you will encounter a huge dryfall, and you can scoot out right on Muav benches for a ways until you can find an extremely loose and annoying (SHARP rocks!) descent into the north arm of Vishnu. Just awful but mercifully short. From there we walked down Vishnu, through the lovely narrows to a nice campsite at a huge undercut just after the small, steep side drainage where you want to leave Vishnu for the next section. There was water at this spot, but it was relatively stagnant. Our Day 3 was about 12 miles, and we arrived at camp pretty early.

We got up early anticipating a long last day. There was a little scramble leaving Vishnu via the side drainage just above the undercut camp spot. Following the drainage up, then aim to go pretty far left to get around the Muav layer. You can try to find a more direct route through, but probably like us you will just wish you had headed left in the first place. From above the Muav just angle right to an obvious break in the Redwall (which seems to be a fault) just north of Hall Butte. From the saddle you follow the top of the Redwall layer mostly north for quite a long way (2 miles?) There are vague signs of past use. The climb down through the Redwall from the saddle between Angels Gate and Wotans Throne is the steepest, most exposed climbing we encountered, but the rock is relatively solid. Continuing down the drainage toward the east arm of Clear Creek, you must leave the drainage (heading west) just above a huge dryfall in the Tapeats layer and after a short way find a use trail down into the drainage, where you will encounter running water. I think it may have taken us 6 hours to hike the 7 miles from Vishnu to Clear Creek CG. From there we just motored out, happy to be on excellent trails finally. Capping a ~23 mile day, we reached the South Kaibab TH at 7:30pm, just before headlamps would have been needed, and just in time for the last shuttle bus.
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 Gilbert, AZ
Rim to Rim via Old Bright Angel, AZ 
Rim to Rim via Old Bright Angel, AZ
 
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ddgrunningTriplogs 604
Hiking29.59 Miles 6,560 AEG
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5:45 a.m.--North Kaibab Trailhead parking area was as full as I've ever seen it. No parking spots and several cars parked along the side of the road. Luckily, we were just getting dropped off. Several groups starting in at the same time re-confirmed my decision to take an alternate route down the canyon, via the Old Bright Angel Trail. I tried to convince a few others in my group to join me, but either: (a) they didn't feel they were physically up to adding an additional 4-5 miles, plus dealing with the bushwhacking and route-finding on a primitive trail, or (b) those who were fit enough to add the additional mileage were a little obsessed with improving their R2R times. So, as the masses flooded down NK, I hung a left onto the Ken Patrick trail and locked into nearly 5 hours of complete solitude in the Canyon ....

It was still dark, and less than a half mile into my jaunt along the rim, I was greeted with some large animal crunching branches 30-40 yards in the distance. My headlamp illuminated a pair of eyes and my adrenaline began to kick in. I immediately began clapping my hands and whistling, after which the animal bolted off. I'm guessing it was an elk, but who knows .... For the next half mile or so, I took up whistling and clapping as a side hobby. :lol:

As the light of dawn arrived, the forested rim was covered in a cloudy fog. I scared off a couple of deer, but otherwise saw no other animals on the 4-mile traverse to the Old BA trailhead. The cloudy fog added a little spice to the otherwise somewhat blase rim hike through forest and recovering burn areas. Just before reaching OBA, it actually sprinkled a bit and I wondered whether the canyon was going to be socked in with clouds, obscuring any expansive views.

I arrived at the well-marked OBA traihead in good time, as I was hoping--despite my extra miles and primitive trail--to catch up to some in my group before they all reached the south rim. I had read all of the OBA triplogs and some other "beta" on the route, and had a gps route loaded in RS with various notes on what seemed to be the tricky spots.

My homework served me well in the top portion of the trail, and I managed to stay relatively well on track down to the crossing of the tributary creek that drains into Bright Angel Creek. The only real casualty up to that point were my legs, which took a "scrubbing" from all of the scrub oak that has overgrown the trail, as well as whatever that plant is that has leaves that look like holly but with sharp, poky, points! I knew I should have worn long pants, but ignored my own advice b/c I didn't want to have long pants for the other 20 miles when I wouldn't need them. Next time: zip-offs :D

Anyway, when I hit the tributary creek, I went in search of the waterfall mentioned in various triplogs. However, I somehow got the idea that the waterfall was UPstream from the crossing, so I immediately headed in that direction. After 15 minutes of hard bushwhacking and managing to get both my feet wet, and no waterfall to show for it, I threw in the towel headed back to the crossing point. It's not clear where to go from that point, but I climbed pretty straight up the other side of the ravine and eventually located what passed as the trail. Shortly thereafter, I looked back to see the referenced waterfall, which is actually DOWNstream from the crossing. Oh well ...

After rounding the next outcropping, I was very conscious of the warnings not to descend to Bright Angel Creek too early. That said, going down towards the creek seemed like the only viable option, as the side of the canyon was otherwise choked with manzanita and other, somewhat impassable barriers. That said, I dutifully resisted, going up, over, and sometimes through bushes, in search of anything remotely resembling a trail that stayed above the creek.

Eventually, I worked my way over to the crossover of a small, side drainage (for reference, on my gps track, this spot is right on top of the "e" in "Bright Angel Canyon" on the CalTopo layer). There was actually a cairn in the middle of the crossover, but no indication of where to go from there, and the opposite side of the drainage was pretty sheer, with no sign of any trail. Nevertheless, in the absence of any apparently better options, I climbed up. The next 0.3 mile was a total crapshoot of scrambling up and down, hand over fist, sliding down sketchy chutes, and doing everything possible in search of a route, while still trying to make forward progress. : rambo : It was a time-consuming workout, and I still don't have much better intel to pass on, as to where the trail is/was. I can say that I did't descend to the creek too early, but perhaps erred on the side of trying to stay too high. My general advice for this section is just to pack some extra time, and a lot of patience.

Eventually, I located some snippets of a trail that seemed to descend in relative proximity to where I had the correct creek crossing marked on my gps track. Approaching the creek, there was a fairly well worn, narrow path through the reeds that led to a crossing point. I could see where at least a few others had scrambled up the opposite side, but the crossing would be a wet one, and my marked crossing point was still slightly farther downstream. So, I backtracked a bit and then bushwhacked downstream to the crossing point on my track. I was able to make a leap across at this point without getting wet, but there was no sign of the trail on the opposite side. One of my beta sources referred to a steep climb, so I just climbed up the steep slope, and within about 20 yards up located the faint remains of the trail (which I now believe came up from the point where "reed" crossing was). In any event, I had no navigational issues on OBA from this point forward.

In a short while, I approached the junction with Roaring Spring Canyon, and enjoyed the fresh viewpoint of RS, the NK trail, and the Pumphouse/Manzanita rest area from the opposing side of the canyon. But the real gem was the views of Bright Angel Creek, including some very cool cascades draining into a "toilet bowl" swimming hole just past the junction of the two side canyons.

It wasn't long until I popped out onto the NK trail at the bridge just below the Pumphouse. By that point, I was a little shy of 5 hours into the hike. While I was glad to have battled the OBA, it was refreshing to finally be back on the smooth, maintained NK corridor trail. By that time, the crowds of hikers had passed through and/or broken up.

Anxious to make up time, I hot-footed it down to Phantom Ranch. Along the way, I passed by the Ribbon Falls bridge, which has been "closed" for a couple of years, but is now a twisted mess and completely unuseable. Only access to Ribbon Falls is through the creek from the south side of the "hill."

Unfortunately, my tromping in the side creek on OBA and resulting wet feet turned into a real problem. Along with my shoe choice, which was mostly leather and didn't breathe well, my feet could stay neither dry nor cool. And despite changing socks, and making a couple of attempts to duct tape/moleskin/bandage things up, I ultimately just accepted that it was going to be a bit of a blister-fest and just determined to plow forward.

From the River to the top on Bright Angel Trail, my time was just over 3 hours, averaging around 20 min/mile. I felt pretty good from a cardio/muscle/energy standpoint--just tried to ignore my feet. Worked pretty well, as I passed everyone I saw coming up, and caught up with several in my group just before or at Indian Gardens.

After a refreshing shower at Mather Campground (PSA: they increased the price from $2 to $2.50), I assessed the damage--a couple of prize-winning blisters, but actually not as bad as it could have been. I was grateful to slip on a pair of soft clean socks, along with my highly-prized Ofoos sliders ("victory shoes"), and enjoyed sharing tales of the Canyon with my friends as we made our late night trip back to the Valley.

Another memorable R2R in the books. :y:
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Ken Patrick TrailNorthwest, AZ
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Hiking13.04 Miles 2,033 AEG
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South section only, Cape Royal Road to North Kaibab TH (out and back).
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Ken Patrick TrailNorthwest, AZ
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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ShatteredArmTriplogs 356
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I've always had a mild fascination with abandoned trails... So the Old Bright Angel route has been on my list for some time.

Started out at 8:30am the last day of August. Expected some heat down low, but I figured there would be water to cool off in... The 3.7ish miles on Ken Patrick is just a nice easy jaunt on the rim, with a few little grunts, but mostly joggable. I was honestly a little surprised they list the Old B.A. trail on the sign at the TH.

When I hit Old BA, I didn't really know what to expect... But it got very overgrown very quickly. The tread was pretty easy to follow until about 200 yards down, where it takes a jog to the right that's nearly impossible to spot. That's really the only spot that's confusing until all the way down to the bottom of the Supai.

The stretch from the top of the rim down to the bottom of the drainage really just needs a good trim; the tread is in really good condition. I was even able to jog parts of it.

Once you hit the bottom of the drainage (which was bone dry this weekend), it becomes harder to follow on markings alone... But pretty easy if you realize you just stay in the drainage until you hit the redwall.

Once you begin the redwall descent, you start to encounter washouts... And this is where it started to heat up. After traversing around the end of the ridge, a flowing side creek was a welcome spot to cool off. Coming out of said creek is one of the spots I had trouble with - there are two or three dirt paths, all of which look like washouts, but one of which is the actual trail. I chose wrong, went a little too high, and had to scramble back down to the trail.

The trail then dropped down towards BA Creek, and came upon a small narrows. The trail goes up over a bench, but it's nearly impossible to figure out the correct way up. I again chose wrong, went too high, and had to scramble back. After crossing over the bench, I lost the trail and said "screw it, I'm just going down the the creek" - just before which I stumbled on the trail. In retrospect it might just be easier to bypass this section by wading through the creek.

At this point, Roaring Springs was probably within a mile, and the route became considerably easier to follow. After the creek crossing (where it may be possible to stay dry, but I figured my legs needed a rinse), the route is straightforward, but contains some of the most narrow, washed out tread on the whole trail.

Water was off at Manzanita, so I had to employ the filter. Took a side trip to Roaring Springs, then began the somewhat unremarkable power hike up North Kaibab.
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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I was super excited to finally try the Old Bright Angel trail. I confirmed more than once that my comfort level is not happy when both feet cannot fit side by side on the trail.
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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We have wanted to do Old Bright Angel Trail for awhile now and this weekend worked well. Stayed in one of the cabins at North Rim Lodge so we had easy access to North Kaibab Trailhead and started relatively early just before 6am. From several posted triplogs it sounded like the best way to approach the loop was going down Old Bright Angel Trail instead of up. So with this approach we started on Ken Patrick Trail from the North Kaibab parking lot. The KP trail was flat and nice hike through the forest with lots of aspen. Good warm up for the main hike of the day. Reached the KP and Old Bright Angel junction at about 3.7 miles and we took a break with great views at the junction.

After the break it was time to tackle Old Bright Angel Trail. The OBA was of course steep but aside from some brushy spots at the top we were able to follow it fairly easily. We just had to watch for a few tricky switchbacks which could be hard to see in the brush. Eventually the trail drops down a ridge, then downhill traverse, some more switchbacks, and finally into drainage which was the top of the red wall. Trail was cairned in the drainage and were able to find it exiting near a pour off. From the red wall pour off the trail dropped another level to nice drainage with decent flow of water. Took another break here and enjoyed the riparian area.

From there we made the final drop to Bright Angel Creek. Initially we were able to follow the trail but eventually lost it near the creek. There were some tedious steep side slopes and boulder fields that slowed us down. After wasting about 45 minutes finally decided to climb up the slope and sure enough we found the trail. I backtracked a ways to find where we had lost the trail and was able to find the area. So the goal would be to stay high until the only Bright Angel Creek crossing which was well marked by cairns. From the crossing the trail was relatively easy to follow and it never crosses until the bridge at the Pumphouse on North Kaibab Trail. Overall Old Bright Angel Trail was fairly easy to follow except for the one spot which if I was paying attention might have stayed on trail. Found a good lunch spot near Bright Angel and Roaring Springs confluence. Cooled off in some small pools as it was starting to warm up especially being lower in the canyon.

From the lunch spot it was less than a mile to the Pumphouse where we saw first people of the day. With the heat on we hydrated for a good 30 minutes before heading North Kaibab to the rim. Aside from the hikers at Pumphouse we didn’t see many other hikers until the footbridge below Supai Tunnel. Then the unusual crowd as we finished off the final few miles. Reached the top by 515….great hike and really enjoyed the solitude of OBA Trail!
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Ken Patrick TrailNorthwest, AZ
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toddakTriplogs 577
Hiking24.50 Miles 2,000 AEG
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From the Saddle Mountain trailhead at the end of FR610, took KP over to Point Imperial and down to the N Kaibab trailhead, then NOBO on AZT39. Mountain bike shuttle back to the start. KP has a few stretches of overgrowth and downed trees, but its mostly in good condition. AZT39 is all forest, all the time. Nice breezy day, and the North Rim is still relatively green.
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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Day hike with 5 great Canyon hiker companions, Jamie Compos, Doug Nering, Erik Baldwin, Frank Feagans and Adrian Jantzi. (Somehow they all managed to keep up with me ;) :lol: )

Started on "the old road" that heads down the small drainage that leads to Kendrick Trail's Ice Box Meadow. This old road can be found at the junction of the Point Imperial and Cape Royal turnoffs. (Check a map)

We then followed Kendrick just about a mile to the Old BA Trailhead.

Lots or fresh lion sign and scat on Kendrick and multiple more signal below along OBA

The top 50ft of Old BA are Probably the most "difficult" part of the old trail.
There is however a switch back at the very top (on the rim) hidden by gambel oak...if you can find that hidden switchback you can easily follow it along a gentle slope for that "difficult 50ft".

We didn't so that...so we slipped and slid and hooted and hollered for 50ft until the next incredibly obvious section of trail.

From there on out it was smooth sailing all the way to Roaring Springs!
The sign says 7 miles... we're not sure it's that much but hey, that's what the sign says ;)
We were guessing maybe 5.5 miles at the most it was a long steep route but definitely not 7mi...or is it?!?

The Redwall rim has a sweet clear "stream" in it right now and we enjoyed cooling off in that by splashing like children from the edge..

The Redwall rim traverse was my favorite part, very very easy to follow (I'll post pics of that later) but absolutely gorgeous views, wonderful day and such great company!

Sneaking through the Muave was fun and led us to a "secret stream" I heard some folks call it Emmett Creek?
Any HAZzers ever heard of that?

Winding out along the east wall in Muave ls and BA Shalethe power lines came into view and the dull roar of roaring Springs was finally clear.

We leapt across Tapeats ledges to get to a large sunny flat of Tapeats for lunch break and water fun. We then headed to the pumphouse where Jamie presented the 12 beers he'd stashed in his pack early that morning.

It wasn't until the Redwall along North Kaibab Trail that we pulled out the 32oz Refuge IPA and celebrated the day properly!

From the pumphouse was saw deer at Roaring Springs and danced on the helipad and got nauseated by the chlorine gas from the filtration station we were near.
After beers we crawled up a slope (not the trail of course) and somehow managed to reach NK trail and up up we went.

Ended the day with pizza and beer and wine at the North Rim Employee Pub.
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Ken Patrick TrailNorthwest, AZ
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This was the second hike of the day. I dropped my wife and her dad off after doing Uncle Jim and turned around and started in on the Ken Patrick. The plan was for them to picnic, drive around see the sights and then pick me up at the end of the trail at Imperial Point. The first .9 miles was a repeat as we had to take that segment in to do the Uncle Jim Loop. It was amazing the change in the trail after passing the Uncle Jim Loop. I went from a well worn, 5 ft. wide swath to, at best, an 18 inch wide path. After the Uncle Jim the trail does a modest climb and then levels out for the next mile. This stretch is very doable. The trail is clear, flat and obstacle free with the exception of a few down trees. (Downed trees was a common theme for this trail. I probably had to clamber over 40 of them. Some were a simple step over, but others were more demanding). About 1.9 miles in I lost a little elevation as I descended into a vale, but got it back quickly by climbing a short, but steep hill. The trail flattened out again, but became a little more overgrown as I delved further. The trail was still fairly evident, it is just that the foliage was winning the battle and the 18 inch path was shrinking to 10 inches. My Garmin had me reaching OBA at 3.7 miles. It was just prior to reaching this juncture that I was able to get any views of the canyon and it was only for a brief section at that. Ironically, the OBA junction doesn't really give any indication of the the trail you'll be hiking down. The view of the Canyon at the juncture is minimal. At the juncture, I was about 4 miles in with 6 miles to go and it was almost immediately evident that NK - OBA segment saw a lot more action than the northern section. Right after the OBA there was a little bit of scrambling as a Mother Nature had reclaimed her trail. This was only a short section and the trail cleared up soon after, but it was a precursor of things to come. At around the 4.8 mile mark the trail began a long, gradual descent into a valley. Some of the sections were VERY overgrown with no sign of a trail. I basically knew where I had to go because I could see a trace of the trail further ahead. Other parts of this descent were foliage free and the trail was very easy to see and follow. It was also very beautiful down there. Kind of ironic, because this is without the Canyon factoring into the vista. At around 5.65 the trail reaches an open meadow called Ice Box Meadow (not sure how it got its name). This is the low point and I immediately started a torturous climb that lasted for about .3 miles. This is torturous because it is very up and VERY overgrown! The switchbacks could be as short as 6 ft. in length before "switching back" and this part wasn't so much about following a trail as about following the path of least resistance. I'm pretty sure I was on the trail for the duration of the climb but this is more from feeling than from visual confirmation. The trail opened up quite a bit upon reaching the top. This primarily because this is an old burn area and the vegetation is only just starting to make a come back. At the 7 mile mark I reached the road and a surprise. I still had about 3 miles to go but there was a roadside sign stating that the trail was closed...in both directions??? This was kind of troubling for a couple of reasons. My ride was waiting for me 3 miles ahead at Imperial Point and here is a sign stating trail closed due to the Fuller Canyon fire. The other troubling thing was the timing of the sign. I had just hiked about 7 miles without any signage stating "trail closed." :?
It is very unfortunate that the fire did what it did, because this probably would have been the prettiest part of the Ken Patrick. Instead, it was a marked contrast from the lush overgrowth of a few miles earlier. I finally got some great views of the Canyon only to have it framed by dead, burnt husks. Needless to say, with a ride waiting for me a few miles away, I broke park ordinance, and followed the trail as best I could. I followed the trail to about the 8.9 mile mark to where it had gotten too washed out to follow safely. Instead I cut up a wash to the road that went to Imperial Point and followed that for the last half mile. I imagine there will be some rerouting that will have to be done before this part of the trail opens up again. Weather was ideal. In the 70's, with clouds, but no precipitation. Wildlife was very disappointing. I didn't see anything bigger than a squirrel...and not many of those. (Although, on our drives back to Jacob's Lake Inn we literally saw hundreds of deer. It's a 45 mile drive, so it is a long drive. But still, that's a lot of deer! Also saw wild turkey, with babies, several times on the drives). Not nearly enough time to do what I wanted, but it's a start. :D
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Ken Patrick TrailNorthwest, AZ
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Glad I got this one out of the way today.

Jamie and I hitched a ride with Ranger Jake and ambled our way through pokey locus trees, dead pondies, blooming Aspens and lots and lots of dust.

Good hike
Gorgeous day
Wonderful company
Glad to be home in time to catch Wayne Ranneys geo program in the N Rim Lodge!!
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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toddakTriplogs 577
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Out KP with a warm-up side loop around UJ, then down OBA and up NK, with a wild mid-morning hail and rainstorm for extra fun! OBA is a very cool route and generally not hard to follow, but gnarly enough that probably none but the hardcore GC enthusiast will appreciate it.
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