Murray Basin • Hike • Arizona • All Triplogs • HikeArizona.COM

Alpine, AZ

Hiking		Sep 14 2018
		Sun_Ray • Triplogs 1,238

Hiking	5.08 Miles	312 AEG

Hiking	5.08 Miles	2 Hrs 38 Mns	2.48 mph
	312 ft AEG	35 Mns Break

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First time to the Greer area. A full time resident of Greer found a hike for us that had little elevation as I've not been doing well with altitude. This hike was at 8000 feet but Judy and I did fine. Beautiful open meadows, yellow wildflowers and a windmill set up to pump water into a cattle tank. We did a combination of Murray Basin,flat top and windmill trail. Out 2.5 miles and back. There are 18 miles of trails if you did all the loops and connectors.

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May 25 2010

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Eagar AZ

Alpine, AZ

Hiking		May 25 2010
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Hiking	3.00 Miles

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Just doing some trail maintenance, from Saffell trailhead to the windmill, a couple miles of trail.

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May 23 2010

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Eagar AZ

Alpine, AZ

Hiking		May 23 2010
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Hiking	8.50 Miles	800 AEG

Hiking	8.50 Miles	1 Hour 30 Mns	5.67 mph
	800 ft AEG

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Did the standard loop, for which no signs have ever been provided by the Forest Service. They never actually finished this trail system, and they don't maintain it. It was designed about 10 years ago by a friend of mine for mountain biking. Horses and weather have torn it up badly and it is now a bit more technical than it used to be. A lot of loose rocks. Good for my so-called "skill set" development, I guess. Not for beginners.

The standard loop, using my pretty good bike computer, is as follows: Park at main trailhead on 180. Follow 2 track for about 2 miles as it wanders through a gate and up the valley. (Do not turn right at the first Y that says Flat Top, keep left. You will be coming back this way.) Right about at two miles you will see a metal stake marking a faint two-track to the left, that you can see goes through a second gate. Take this dirt (not gravel) two track until you get to a wooden sign. Turn right, as it indicates "Homestead Trail." (If you go straight ahead on "Murray Basin Loop" that part was never finished and is very rough. Ok on foot or horse, no fun on bike.) Ok, so you have turned right, and immediately you should see a little wooden bench. This is the first rest stop. You are now about 2.6 miles in. Continue on this trail which is now SINGLE TRACK (yippee!) At junction with Homestead Trail, go straight on Butler Trail. At the Crossover junction, also ignore, go straight. Eventually you will get around to the other trailhead in Saffell Canyon, which I am spelling correctly, but the Forest Service doesn't. There is a stone bench to sit on here. Then onward and upward some rocky singletrack, and the reward is the last couple miles of winding down and around. You will pass a junction for another Crossover, go straight, and a left turn to Flat Top, go straight.

Yeah yeah, I will take the GPS next time. This trail needs a lot of work, though.

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Jan 24 2010

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Eagar AZ

Alpine, AZ

XC Skiing		Jan 24 2010
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

XC Skiing	5.00 Miles

XC Skiing	5.00 Miles	2 Hrs	2.50 mph

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Since this was called a "20 year storm" I wonder if it will be another 20 years before I get to ski here again? It sure was fun. I ride this trail often in summer on my mountain bike. It is only a couple miles from my house. But I sure had never skied it before! It was only skiable for a couple of days, and then the rocks started sticking up as the snow melted.

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Jan 09 2010

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Eagar AZ

Round Mountain - Eagar

Round Mountain - Eagar

Alpine, AZ

Hiking		Jan 09 2010
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Hiking	3.00 Miles	600 AEG

Hiking	3.00 Miles	1 Hour 30 Mns	2.00 mph
	600 ft AEG

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This hill is actually on the Arizona Big List of peaks.

Elev 8044 or 8048 depending upon which map you use. From Flat Top trail head at corner of 12th St. and Line St. behind the old sawmill in Eagar, I followed the Robinson Hollow Loop trail approximately 3/4 mile. Where there is a drainage and small canyon visible to the east, I followed this a short distance and then up the steep side of the mountain to its summit. I returned by hiking north to the Flat Top Trail and back down to the west to the parking area.

There is a well-hidden peakbagger's register, placed by myself about 9 years ago. I actually know everyone who has signed it: Me, my son, a local doctor, and two dedicated Tucson (SAHC)
peakbaggers. No one had signed it but me for about 5 years.

Really good views of Escudilla, Flat Top, Milligan Knoll, Murray Basin, and the rest of the area. You will have the place to yourself, almost without a doubt. Combine with Flat Top summit, Robinson Hollow Loop, and for a longer hike, dip down into Murray Basin and hike over to the 7746 Knoll to make a day of it. I actually started from my house and walked to the trailhead to get some miles in. I didn't count that in the stats.

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Alpine, AZ

Mtn Biking		Aug 09 2009
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Mtn Biking	16.00 Miles	800 AEG

Mtn Biking	16.00 Miles	3 Hrs	5.33 mph
	800 ft AEG

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Rode right out the front door, then up Water Canyon to Saffell Canyon to the trailhead. Went to the right, (Homestead Trail) and rode to Butler Homestead, and checked out the grave there. This is very sad. It's a hardscrabble enough place as it is, very dry, and the family lost twins. I believe the gravestone, which is just some cement inside a small pile of rocks, was added later on by the family. Probably at the time, 1916, they put up a wooden cross, or maybe two crosses. Here is what the gravestone says: "Rebecca & Twin Sister, Daug. of Rebecca N. and John E. Butler, Aug 28, 1916, Aug 31, 1916." From this I am assuming that the first, unnamed, sister was stillborn, since people didn't used to name stillborn babies, and the other twin, Rebecca, lived only a couple of days. This is a Mormon family, and I believe is a relative of Molly Butler (of Greer fame) and thus also a relative of Wink Crigler of South Fork (X Diamond Ranch.) I'll have to call Wink and ask her about it.

There is a fallen down log cabin and corral there also.

So from that sad historic site I rode back down to the main loop and started back the way I came, but then I took the Crossover Trail and then the two-track (unsigned) that goes to the windmill, then rode some more single track to Hwy 180. Then rode the ATV track along the highway, back to my house. So it was mostly fun riding! Actually, all of it was fun! It was kind of hot, though. Murray Basin is very dry right now, unlike higher elevations. Unusual for August for it to be so dry. I'm feeling pretty fit right now so the heat didn't bother me too much. Of course, "hot" here is 90 degrees!

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Eagar AZ

Water Canyon to Sipe, AZ

Mtn Biking		Aug 01 2009
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Mtn Biking	31.00 Miles

Mtn Biking	31.00 Miles	5 Hrs	6.20 mph

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Water Canyon Creek Upper Fork

Rudd Creek

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This was one dirt road mountain bike ride I had thought about doing for a long time. From my house in Eagar I rode up Water Canyon to Milligan Valley to Sipe Ranch and back home again. Turned out to be about 31 miles. It's pretty steep going up Water Canyon but the rest of the route made it all worthwhile. Once I had turned off onto Milligan Valley Road (FR 85) it got pretty dreamy, with a lot of gradual coasting downhills through the forest, wildflowers, etc. I saw no vehicles once I was on FR 85. One of my rest stops was next to Rudd Creek, where there is a car campsite, a running creek, and lots of flowers. I saw only one group of people camping all along Milligan Valley Road, though. They were camped next to Benton Creek. At the back gate of Sipe White Mountain Wildlife Area my odometer read 20 miles. Stopping at Sipe for a break, I then rode the Sipe road back to 180/191. I took a detour on a side road I knew about, that would get me back to Saffel Canyon and Water Canyon, but I turned around, deciding to do that on another day. Back on the Sipe road, reaching the highway, I went straight across and caught the old highway down to Eagar. You take the first left through a barbed wire gate. It almost looks like someone's driveway because there's a new house up there on top of Picnic Hill. The old highway has slowly been reverting to dirt for many years, but still has some pavement and painted lines.

Directions: Starting in Eagar, ride up Water Canyon Road (FR 285) to Milligan Valley Road (FR 85), (a 7-mile, 1000-foot grind from my house near 260.) Turning left to Milligan Valley, follow it to Sipe. There is one Y turn a few miles in that you have to watch for (not the first one that goes to private property.) The right hand of the Y says 85A. Take the left, which is unsigned and is heading slightly down hill.

Eventually, after passing the nice old log cabin, you'll get to the back gate of Sipe White Mountain Wildlife Area, owned by Game and Fish. Beautiful place. Then on out to 180. Crossing straight across 180, take the first left through a gate. This will put you onto the old highway down to Eagar. Once you are back on 180 you can ride the ATV path alongside the highway--fun bumps!

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Apr 23 2009

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Eagar AZ

Alpine, AZ

Hiking		Apr 23 2009
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Hiking	4.00 Miles	800 AEG

Hiking	4.00 Miles	2 Hrs	2.00 mph
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A slow hike up Flat Top from the 12th Street and Line St. intersection trailhead, behind the Eagar sawmill. My companion is slow, so it was a leisurely hike. Nice views, as usual. I have climbed this in all weather. Today it was shorts and t-shirts weather--finally!

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Apr 20 2009

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Eagar AZ

Alpine, AZ

Hiking		Apr 20 2009
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Hiking	4.00 Miles

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White Mountain Grasslands Area

South Fork Trail #97

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Just a quick out-and-back exercise hike after work. I go here all the time. Seldom do I post it, though. Starting at the Water Canyon trailhead I hiked up to where the trail starts to follow a closed gravel road, which is 8070C. And back down again.

One thing of note, if you find yourself bored with this wide trail, watch for a small narrow trail that will bear off to the left, and go along the creek. That little old trail goes for quite a distance up Water Canyon, following the water all the way, until it becomes choked in deadfall. I guess you could easily hike it about 3 or 4 miles one-way before having to really start bushwhacking. The Overland Trail follows the water for only a short distance, then heads toward Point-of-Mountain and the high country.

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A clean house is a sign of a misspent life.

Mar 12 2009

Water Canyon Creek Upper Fork

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Water Canyon Creek Upper Fork

Alpine, AZ

Hiking		Mar 12 2009
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Hiking	6.00 Miles

Hiking	6.00 Miles	2 Hrs	3.00 mph

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This area is easy to find on the Eagar 7.5" map. Without the map, forget it, there are no signs for this hike. Just go up Water Canyon Road, FR 285, which is easy to find by the old sawmill on the south end of Main St. Go along up there as far as Elderberry Springs, then park at the turnaround and hike to the west on the old (closed) 8070C. When you get down into the creek bottom, after hiking about 1/4 mile, you then have a choice of hiking up the west or the east forks. The west (main) fork has more water in it, and that's the one we did yesterday. You'll want to cross the main creek to start your hike. If you have gone too far up you will have to cross two creeks.

Yesterday's weather was a combination of sunshine and clouds. As we followed the VERY faint trail along Water Canyon Creek, we saw a lot of wolf, bear and elk scat. There were patches of snow in the shade. There were little waterfalls and pools, and as we gained elevation there were aspen trees. There is this one HUGE Doug fir up there, just about the biggest one I have ever seen in AZ. The area is very thickly forested, with little glades suitable for backpack camping, which I have done there in the past. You can follow this all the way to Water Canyon Reservoir, but the trail is faint to non-existant. It is necessary to bushwhack a bit. Best kind of hike, in my opinion!

You can also get to this same faint trail by following the Overland Trail, Water Canyon Trailhead, which DOES have a sign. But after following the Overland Trail for about one mile, when it starts to go uphill, then you need bear to the left to follow the creek instead of the trail. The Overland Trail goes up to the right (west) and tops over the rim.

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There is a point of no return unremarked at the time in most lives. Graham Greene The Comedians
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Mar 11 2009

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Alpine, AZ

Hiking		Mar 11 2009
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Hiking	6.00 Miles	800 AEG

Hiking	6.00 Miles	2 Hrs	3.00 mph
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I hiked the Flat Top trail FROM 12th STREET and LINE STREET near the sawmill in Eagar (NOT 180 trailhead) to the rim and then back around the Robinson Hollow Loop. The reason it took so long is I was doing a bit of trailwork along the way. Picking up hundreds of rocks and tossing them off the side. The horses and the weather tend to chew up these trails, especially the Robinson Hollow section. By the way there is NO SNOW down this low, and no mud, either, at least not on this day. The snow is all up there above about 9,000 feet today.

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Oct 01 2007

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Alpine, AZ

Mtn Biking		Oct 01 2007
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Mtn Biking	8.00 Miles	800 AEG

Mtn Biking	8.00 Miles	1 Hour 30 Mns	5.33 mph
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I mountain biked the loop yesterday. The clockwise loop is not easy to find from the 180 trailhead, although you could figure it out if you go to the left at the Flat Top sign. The trail is in abominable shape. The only frequent users are horse riders, and the hooves have torn up many loose rocks, especially on steeper areas, and made a mess of it in other areas where there was mud during the summer. The good news is they are the only ones keeping this trail open. Otherwise it would have grown over in the grassy areas. The Forest Service used to run their mini-bulldozer along it every year. Instead, now they have put up "non-maintained" signs. The trail is only about 5 or 6 years old.

The ATVers are not bootlegging this trail, amazingly. They have been going onto virtually every other trail in the Springerville Ranger District, however.

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A clean house is a sign of a misspent life.

Nov 26 2006

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Eagar AZ

Alpine, AZ

Hiking		Nov 26 2006
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Hiking	15.00 Miles	800 AEG

Hiking	15.00 Miles
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I hike the Flat Top Mountain part of this trail system all the time. I don't post every single time I hike it, but this time was different. I took my 21-year-old daughter with me. We had fun at the overlook with binoculars, finding our house in Eagar, her friends' houses and other important landmarks! She's away at college now, and this was the first time I had ever talked her into hiking Flat Top with me. After they grow up, they suddenly see their parents as actual people! Amazing! In fact, we have done about 4 hikes together this year, including Havasupai.

I would like to be not the only one posting for Murray Basin. If you want me to show you the area, send me a p.m. Today I may just ride the mountain bike loop part of this trail system, 8 mile loop, intermediate level, nothing techy. Haven't ridden it for several months, so it's time. Anyone who wants to come up here and ride the loop or hike Flat Top, let me know!

For directions to Flat Top, see one of my other posts. The trailhead is not marked. You can also get to it by way of the 180 trailhead, but it's not so direct.

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Oct 31 2006

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Alpine, AZ

Hiking		Oct 31 2006
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Hiking	15.00 Miles	800 AEG

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Back again to the closest hike to my house, Flat Top Mountain, which is a part of the Murray Basin Trail System. It has a separate trailhead, not signed--see directions in my other triplogs. This time only a little different--I was trying out my new Mountainsmith Oasis 35 "fastpack." It fits pretty well, but my old trusty A-16 external frame pack is still a LOT more comfortable, and I could comfortable tote a lot more weight in it than the 30 lbs. I had in the new pack. I bought the Mtn.smith so I could do more scrambling/bouldering/ledging/canyoneering type hikes. It is pretty small, but ok for a 3 day backpack, which is all I usually have time for, anyway. I think it will work pretty well for a trip to South Canyon in Grand Canyon in Dec. The thing I dislike most about the pack is that the belt digs into my ribcage. I don't know why they made it so wide right where it would hit your ribs. I try to wear it lower on my hips, that helps a little. It's a women's small, and my waistline is not too skinny, maybe around 29 inches, but if I still had the 23 inch waist of my youth I'd be pulling that packbelt all the way in as far as it goes, so I don't see how they can call it a women's small. I'm not that short, either, almost 5'3". I think the waistbelt is a bad design.

Anyway, Flat Top is always a nice 4 mile r/t hike with a view if you are visiting Eagar/Springerville.

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Jun 02 2006

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Alpine, AZ

Hiking		Jun 02 2006
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Hiking	15.00 Miles	800 AEG

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Well, I seem to be just about the only one posting for this area. I rode the Murray Basin 8 mile loop on Wednesday this week. I have ridden it dozens of times before as the 180 trailhead is only 2 miles from my house. However this time was different--I rode it on my new bike. It is a pretty fun trail, with quite a bit of single-track, lots of little ups and downs. And the new bike rides like a dream. It's a Specialized Stumpjumper FSR comp. Fox float suspension, disc brakes, all the bells and whistles. Before, I was riding a $400 Schwinn Mesa. What a difference!

I like this trail but I don't think it is going to be very popular with people coming up from the Valley for several reasons. For one thing, the loop I ride has never been properly posted (I should mention this to the recreation person at the Springerville Ranger District, I guess.) So you just have to "know" which turns to make. Another reason is that this area is pretty dry, with junipers and pinon pines, and lots of open grasslands. It's very pretty during August and September, when the whole area greens up, and there are lots of wildflowers. But the rest of the time it has this really dry look to it--not much color I guess you could say.

In fact, it is so dry that the pinon pines have been dying off for the past couple of years. There is a rest stop with two benches in the shade of a grove of them, and about 6 or 8 of those have died, with several lying on the ground.

Another reason is that people who come up here to go mtn. biking either want to be up in the cool spruce and aspen forest, or they want to downhill. This ride is just plain old crosscountry singletrack, with no technical parts at all. It is fun, though. For hiking, it is not very challenging. Do the Flat Top portion of it and at least you'll get some elevation gain.

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A clean house is a sign of a misspent life.

Mar 31 2006

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Alpine, AZ

Hiking		Mar 31 2006
		azbackpackr • Triplogs 883

Hiking	15.00 Miles	800 AEG

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This morning before work I hiked the Robinson Hollow Trail up and around to where it connects to the Flat Top Trail, and then back to the car. I accessed this via the non-signed trailhead off 12th St in Eagar. Take Main Street in Eagar to School Bus road--(where Main St. bends to the right it then becomes School Bus.) Immediately turn left onto Water Canyon Road. Then take the first left, onto 12th St., just past the big old saw mill bldg. Where 12th St. turns a corner and becomes Line St. you'll see a small dirt driveway off to the right. Park in the small dirt area there, surrounded by fences, in front of the self storage units. You'll see the gate with Forest Service signs and the trail. Once you go thru the gate the trails are signed. (The folks who live near the trail are used to the hikers, horse riders and mtn. bikers going by along the first few hundred feet of the Flat Top fork of the trail.)

Today, just getting over a 6-week bout of a bad cough, I opted for the Robinson Hollow Trail, looping around to catch the Flat Top trail and back down to the car. Pretty much my first real exercise in 6 weeks. I followed this trail, which I helped to build in 2000, around and up through the little canyon called Robinson Hollow to the top of a saddle. A few minutes hike past the saddle you'll come to a junction. Take a left here and go up the hill to the Flat Top Trail. (If you take a right at this first junction you'll end up down in Murray Basin.)

After climbing several switchbacks you'll reach the Flat Top Mountain Trail. Turn left to get back to your car. Or turn right to go to the top of Flat Top, about a mile, for the nice views. The loop itself is around 3 and 1/2 miles.

The surprising thing about this morning's hike was that after a bout of coughing during the first 5 minutes, I got into a rhythm and felt pretty strong. I didn't feel that I had lost a great deal of my fitness during the six weeks of illness. I kept my usual brisk pace and didn't get winded.

This area is pretty dry right now. It has always been a dry area, but right now it's really looking a bit forlorn. The main vegetation consists of junipers and pinon pines, with some ponderosa pines in Robinson Hollow. Recent extreme windy conditions (around 60 to 90 mph two days ago, according to local talk) have knocked down a few dead old trees along the trail, but nothing was blocked. I don't like hiking here in summer except in the very early morning or in the evening. It is pretty hot and dry on these slopes--none of the high alpine feel you'd get at the higher elevations above 9,000 feet.

If you just want to climb Flat Top, you can skip Robinson Hollow altogether, and just follow the signs at the trailhead to the top of the old road, which has been converted to a trail. At the top of the road to find the actual summit is a bit of a challenge, but basically you turn to the south and find the highest ground. It is pretty flat up there, and the summit is way over on a point on the south end. I usually just go to the top of the rim and sit on the rocks overlooking the towns of Eagar and Springerville. I can see the roof of my house from there. And when I get home, I look out my living room window and see Flat Top.

This is a good early morning hike for me. I do it on my mtn. bike, too, but I'm not completely well yet, am not ready to ride just yet. I can start at 6 a.m., hike for a little over an hour, and be back home to get ready for work. It was chilly and cloudy this morning, but not too cold, probably around 39 degrees. I am really glad to be hiking again after being sick for so long! I have a backpack to Havasu Falls coming up in a week, and it looks as though I can get myself ready for it!

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There is a point of no return unremarked at the time in most lives. Graham Greene The Comedians
A clean house is a sign of a misspent life.

Jan 29 2006

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