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Christopher Creek Campground, AZ 
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The annual trip to Christopher Creek to let the little dog play in the creek. (She's a spaniel mix - really enjoys playing in the water.)

To my surprise, there is still water flowing in the creek, although only about 20% is visible over the rocks. Still, there are small areas of pooling water, about 8 inches deep where the dog can play.

We saw some families wading in, apparently trying to catch crawdads in the pools.

The cows are still there occasionally. (One a big bull, but de-horned. I wonder if they know that they have no horns and if that makes them less potentially aggressive?)

The water spigot where we usually camp has been fixed. There is a new camp host couple now, older retirees who are diligent to monitor the campground.

The campground was fairly full on arrival Tuesday. Thinning out Thursday morning when we left, but with the promise of being full again later that day. (Judging from the Reservation notices.)

Local restaurants have cut back days open more.

Beeline to/from Phoenix was fine. But on the 260, on Thursday, there was a delay on 260 eastbound due to reducing two-way traffic to one lane for a short segment of the road. That produced a 5 mile backup eastbound, starting at Star Valley.
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Surviving TStorm LSM #244 & info Rock Crk TH, AZ 
Surviving TStorm LSM #244 & info Rock Crk TH, AZ
 
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I have no desire to make a Thru-Hike, even if I could. Nevertheless, I earned my Thru-Hiker's "I survived a killer Thunderstorm" Merit Badge during this trip.

But first the important stuff.

As to Little Saddle Mountain Trail:

- The drive to the Cross F Trailhead is among the easiest there are. From the Beeline, it's a paved road (Old Sycamore Creek Rd) to a short, smooth dirt driveway to the TH proper.

- When I arrived Friday afternoon, the parking lot was totally empty. I parked in the shade of the only two trees where there's also a campfire pit. I parked a bit out of the way in case anyone wanted to camp there. And, wow, did someone want to camp there.

- When I returned Saturday afternoon, a large, extended Mexican family had set up two large party tents, with a food line in one. (BBQ.) A few E-bikes with kids riding. Kids playing in the tall grass nearby. (Rattlesnakes?) Spanish music playing loudly. (Good amp and speakers. No distortion. $$) So apparently some TH's are turning into Parks.

- All the reviews of this trail that I've read rate the Difficulty of this hike as "Moderate." Two years ago, on my first backpack trip ever, I rated it as "Easy." I still rate it as "Easy," even tho I've greyed two years more and I carried 9 pounds more this time.

- In addition to it being "Easy" terrain-wise, it's Easy because the trail was in perfect condition this time. No deadfall. No brush encroaching. (At least for the first 3.3 miles. I didn't go all the way to the end.) I met two different pairs of day hikers Saturday, both just out for a "stroll" with their dogs. (Both who knew no details about the trail. I'm guessing that some local blogged about it on social media?) No trekking poles for them. So they would probably say it was "Easy."

- Of course, after a rain, the trail turns muddy/slippery in places. But there are enough rocks alongside the tread proper that provide good traction.

- The trail is not particularly scenic. You're in valleys most of the time. No mining sites that I saw to spark historical interest. I don't know why the trail exists, unless it was to go to other trails.

- It's not always windy at the mesa in the morning.

- I only met one person Friday, a world traveled Thru-Hiker who was set up near my campsite when I arrived. Contrast this to Saturday, where I met 30 people. Most were nobo Thru-hikers. A quartet of equestrians on an out and back from Cross F. And the two different pairs of dog lovers above. No one was sobo except the three sets who were yoyo.

As to the Rock Creek Trail:

- Since I was already at Sunflower, I drove to Rye on Sunday to learn what I could learn about how Friday night's storm affected things there. I was expecting the FR's to be muddy messes. (A local said that they were on Saturday.) But a day in the AZ sun dried them out. (Although still "damp." (No dust kicked up while driving.)) The FR's to the RC TH are in much better condition than years ago, easily driveable, although you need HC at the two creek crossings.

I had been considering camping at the Rock Creek Fall, which had been reported as running two weeks ago. But there was no water flowing in the two Rock Creek crossings along the FR, and no water at Center Creek. So I'm guessing that there was water at the waterfall either. (Although, as it goes to water proper, in both my previous hikes along Rock Creek, there's been pools of water about a mile in along the trail even when the Creek at the TH is dry.)

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My Merit Badge - The Sudden Unexpected (but expected) Thunderstorm

I'm surprised that there haven't been any reported deaths (from hypothermia) along the AZT from Friday night's storm. Even Mr. Experienced backpacker's tent came down twice in the storm and he told me the next morning that he was thinking "Survival Situation." As was I.

First, some PSA's:

- Hand Warmers can save your life. Think Jack London's "To Build a Fire."

- Snack food(s) can save your life. (Quick bursts of energy to stop the convulsive shivering.)

- Sitting on your sleeping pad and/or foam pad when your tent has water in it can save your life. (Even better if you can inflate your pad some.)

- Don't stop thinking when Plan A doesn't go as planned. If you don't have a Plan B, think of one. And then think up a Plan C for when Plan B doesn't work.

- If you can safely heat up water in your tent (to drink), then do. (An advantage of Sterno over a flame thrower.) But be on guard against desperation. Drinking hot water won't do any good if you burn your tent down from shivering so hard that you knock things over. (There's a fine line dividing when you can act and when you can't.)

- If your hearing aids aren't waterproof (new to me - mine aren't), put them in a zip lock bag.

- It's good to have a "Ruggedized" Smart phone. (That's waterproof.)

- If you carry a Space Blanket, keep it dry. (You might need to wrap it around you.)

- If you carry a Bug Out bag, put everything in it in a liner. (To keep them dry.)

- If your tent is somewhat symmetrical, but has a definite front and a back, take a Sharpie and mark parts of the tent with visual aids to help set it up in case you need to set it up RIGHT NOW! (My tent uses Orange and Gray to differentiate between front and back straps. Not intuitively obvious in a blinding rain/hail/wind storm when you're semi-panicking.)

- There's a Martial Arts saying "Slow down to go fast." Not easy to force yourself to slow down when under attack.
Second, "What I did right."

- I bulked up food-wise starting four days before the trip. (I actually gained weight after this trip, although I don't know how, since I missed dinner due to the storm.) I can't prove it, but I think having the extra energy store helped me keep hypothermia at bay.

- While I've been carrying a Nylofume pack liner with me for a year now, this was the first time that I packed my kit in the liner before a trip. (Although I always pack my sleeping bag (down) and my sleeping clothes in Ziplock bags.)

- As the last minute (at the TH, where I bring a box of extra camping gear), I decided to accept the weight penalty of adding a pair of water proof rain pants (with felt liners), an extra pair of Hand Warmers, a large bag of dried banana chips (apparently coated with sugar glaze), and the rain cover that came with my backpack.

- Days before, since I knew that TRW's could be present the evening of my arrival, I thought about what I would do if a storm hit and I didn't have my tent up. (Thanks to an Influencer I watched about "The #1 Thing that kills Backpackers.")

- When I had cataract surgery, I had my doctor insert lenses that gave me 20/40. (Instead of 20/20.) This so I could see okay (even drive) if my glasses broke. Turned out to be a good decision when a lens popped out of my glasses during the storm.
What I did Wrong.

- The single biggest thing that I did wrong was to not even think about using my smartphone to go online at the campsite to check RADAR, as I confidently told Mr. World wide backpacker that, based my experience as a pilot, we had hours to go before a storm would come. (The sin of presumption/arrogance.)

I didn't even think about going on line while freezing in my tent at 9 pm, wondering when the storm would pass.

In fact, I didn't think of it until the drive home, when I was mentally reviewing everything per the Last Step in Problem Solving.

Had I looked at RADAR the first thing after arriving at my campsite, I would have set my tent up immediately instead of lollygagging and chatting with Mr. Experience. Then maybe I could have avoided near death. (But then I wouldn't have earned my Merit Badge.)

I could blame RS for conditioning me to think that I'm always in Airplane Mode while backpacking. But I can't blame RS, since I had come out of Airplane Mode to send a text to my friend, announcing that I had arrived. And I sent a text during the storm too!

I guess I've been away from flying too long. `Cause I always checked RADAR from my phone then.

Or I'm just becoming stupider as I age. (Impossible to prevent that.) But hopefully I'll think about this if there's a next time.

- I should have put my backpack in my tent to act as an anchor during the windstorm. I've developed the habit of emptying my backpack outside, moving what I need inside the tent, and then hanging my backpack somewhere.

- If your campsite has the room (not all do), then pitching your tent with the small side pointing to the wind makes it easier to pitch than broadside to the wind. (Obvious, I know. But ... )

- I should have put my rain pants on before it rained.

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The (somewhat abridged) Story:

This was a trip to revisit my first ever backpacking trip, which I did two years ago on this trail. (In February. With snow.)

The purpose of this trip was twofold. First, to be a metric of whether I'm physically performing better, worse, or the same as two years ago.

I'm pleased to report that I'm performing better. (Physically. Perhaps not mentally.)

RS says I averaged 1.4 mph this time. I'm going to call it 1.5 mph, since I took ten minutes to take about ten pictures. A personal best for me. Especially since I was carrying the most I've ever carried, which was 9 lbs more than the first time on this trail. Still, the twenty-somethings on the trail easily outpaced me. Even their little Chihuahua dog was out pacing me with its tiny feet.

And I wasn't tired when I arrived at the campsite. The first time I made this hike, I was so exhausted after I arrived that I didn't have the energy the next day to complete the last half mile of TR #244. This time I had the energy, despite the night's draining experience and despite not having dinner. (I didn't complete it tho because the two girls with their dogs who had said that it was fairly muddy, especially after the horses came through and churned everything up.)

The other purpose was to enjoy camping out in a thunderstorm.

Now, I've been in thunderstorms twice in my tent. Both times were a nonissue. The tent endured the wind. (Although I don't think I've had gusts to 40 before.) And the tent never let water in. Not by soaking nor by condensation, despite humidity being 100%. But these times were always with the tent properly set up before the storm. That was not the case this time.

When I arrived at camp, around 6 pm, the temperature was nice comfortable 63 F.

I should have checked RADAR when I arrived at camp. But since I didn't, I was confident that I had plenty of time to look around for any better campsites. Mr. Experience had set up his tent 100 feet away from me, 25 feet lower, on the east side of the trail, away from the edge of the mesa, and surrounded/sheltered by brush. I thought I should do same. (It turns out that it didn't make a difference. His tent blew down twice during the storm, despite all his tight guying. (The ground turned to mud.))

But I couldn't find a flat, rock-free site as evening approached, and, frankly, I was emotionally attached/fixated to camping where I had camped in February 2023.

So I threw my Space Blanket on the ground and started to empty my backpack.

Then I looked west and saw a squall coming. FAST. Thinking back on it now, it also had that telltale white look of hail.

Yikes!

I raced to put on my rain poncho. I quickly put my rain cover over my pack. Then I started to set up the body of my tent as fast as I could. (It's not a fly-first tent.) The wind started picking up. Which made trying to stake the body down nearly impossible. (Big Agnes says to stake the body down first. But it's a free standing tent. Usually I put the poles in first, move it to where best and then stake it.)

Adding to the misery of the wind flapping the tent body, there was a rock EVERYWHERE I tried to plant a stake. (Murphy's Law of Backpacking?)

Then the hail started.

Actually - and thankfully - it wasn't hail. It was graupel. A.k.a. "soft hail." (Forms via a different process than hail.) https://www.nssl.noaa.gov/education/svr ... ail/types/

Being soft/less dense than hail, it was more like being pelted with dirt than being hit with (sharp) golf ball size rocks.

(What would I have done then? Could knock you out. Especially if it becomes baseball size. (No trees to run to for shelter.) Sharp hail can rip your tent to shreds. Then what? )

I gave up trying to stake the tent down and tried to concentrate on hanging the tent body on the poles. But in addition to the gusting wind, the temperature now had dropped into the mid-30's. My sun gloves were soaked. My fingers were becoming numb.

I couldn't get the tent pitched in the storm. The best I was able to do was to hang the body from the ridge pole (but not the brow pole) and clip the rain fly to the four corners of the tent.

By this time I was shivering so uncontrollably and my fingers were so numb that I thought that I had better go into my tent before I couldn't. (I was wearing my rain poncho over a wind breaker and my new hoodie. But the rain poncho kept being upskirted (like Marilyn Monroe) and my wind breaker was soaked.)

I could barely work the two zippers to open the tent. (So now I think I will always leave the doors half open when packed.) I climbed into the tent, which was better. But then I immediately sat in water, courtesy of the rain/melted graupel that collected through the mesh of the body while trying to stake.

Nothing like a wet butt. At least my fingers were warning up as I tightly clutched the Hand Warmers. (Which later I scrunched under my toes and captured with my sleeping socks.)

But then I decided that I needed my backpack and the stuff in it that I had left on my Space blanket. Including my foam bed roll. I unrolled my roll and the inside was dry. I sat on that, which provided some relief to my butt. Later I unrolled my sleeping pad and sat on that too. Then later I inflated my pad a bit. That helped a lot.

I was somewhat safe inside the tent, holding the tent against the wind with my back and holding the status quo. But it's a double wall tent. Rain usually doesn't have a path into the tent. But since the fly wasn't staked, it was flopping around and often slapping against the inside mesh. Equals water. So as the storm continued and as night fell, I started to shiver convulsively. (3x)

I found that if I ate some banana chips I could hold the shivering at bay. For a while. But after a while, I desperately wanted/needed to drink something hot.

I had my (Sterno) stove in the tent. But I had to be VERY careful to not burn the tent down trying to heat some water, given that the walls of the tent were shaking as violently as I was.

I eventually put on my rain pants. I put on my second hoodie and maybe my down jacket, which was wet, but not too wet. From 9 pm to 11 pm, I felt warm. Was thinking about London's story - was this the beginning of freezing to death?

The storm had ended by 11 pm. I went outside to hang the tent body and rain fly on the brow pole. And I staked the fly. The wind blew the rest of the night, but the temperature returned to nominal and the now dry wind dried out a lot of inside of the tent. Since it seemed that the danger had passed, I took my sleeping bag out of its Ziplock bag. I used it as a quilt instead of a bag so that it wouldn't become wet on the bottom side. And I went to sleep. Quite comfortably despite being jammed up in a junked up tent.

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Did I enjoy this trip?

Actually, in the end, Yes. Not while I was freezing, of course. I'm not an Adrenalin Junkie/Thrill Seeker. But I like problem solving and this experience has given me a lot to think about. Sounds crazy, doesn't it? But considering that other Thru-hikers went through the same storm, being crazy is the Norm in backpacking. (So now I might have answer "Yes" when Mom asks "If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you do it?")

dry Alder Creek Dry Dry

dry Center Creek Dry Dry
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Peralta - Whisky - LaBarge - Bluff loop, AZ 
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Before anything else, credit for planning this trip (both conceptually and on RS) goes to KabukiMan.

[ Peralta - Charlebois Loop ]

He was planning to hike this in January, solo. Since he’s an experienced backpacker (albeit apparently new to AZ backpacking), I asked if I could tag along to learn from him.

"Yes." But at the last minute, his wife and kid became sick. So on indefinite hold.

Not having heard anything about rescheduling and not wanting to bug him, I decided to try it myself last week. It rained the week before and is forecast to be near 100 after. So I figured I had better go while the going was good. (Turned out to be a good decision, water and wx wise.)

And, I didn’t think about it last week, but I had a tooth extraction today. (My second. (Ecc 12:3 is coming true for me.)) So I wouldn’t be a happy camper this week. (Among other things, Post-Op instructions say “Do not do anything strenuous.”)

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This is a CCW loop starting at Peralta. KabukiMan’s plan was Whiskey Springs to fill up water and camp. (But no water that I saw.) Or push on to camp at LaBarge for another 2.9 mi, making the day 8.4 miles. (Which I did.)

His plan for the next day was to go from LaBarge up & back to Charlebois Spring, then continue to Bluff Spring for second camp site. (But after filling up with water at LaBarge, and being too pooped to pop, I didn’t see any reason to go to Charlebois.)

While there were campsites at Bluff Springs (but no shade), I didn’t see any water. (But might have been some there. See “Important stuff” bullet point, below.)

From Bluff Sprints, 3.45 miles back to Peralta. (The last mile being the hardest part for me.)

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Important points first:

- The dirt part of the “Primitive Road” to the Peralta TH is easily drivable. Continuous washboard (what causes this?) and then pockmarks and sharpish (albeit, smallish) rocks the last mile.

- Potties at the TH. (Wish I had known in advance.)

- Thursday morning looked like a Sun City Convention. (Who else but old retired people have the time to spend a weekday hiking?) Parking lot half full.

- A Volunteer “Ranger” was at the TH. (? - Maybe not a volunteer, as he was cleaning the potties.) I should have asked him more questions.

- There was a Water Report posted on the TH sign. Albeit a little dated (last report from January), I wish I had read it ahead of time to know to look for “the pipe” at Bluff Spring.

- There was virtually no water from Peralta to LaBarge. In contrast, there were still large trickling pools of clearish water, many crossing the trail, on the west side of the loop back to Peralta, making water a non-issue on that half.

- While the trail is well traveled - and so the tread is good - there were three downed trees blocking the trail. Some catclaw encroaching.

- And although the tread is good in the grass, there’s no grass in creek crossings. And not enough cairns at creek crossings, where it wasn’t always so obvious which way to go. I became lost at three crossings. If it weren’t for Route Scout, I might still be out there.

- But there were enough hikers/backpackers on the west side of the loop. So I suppose if you become lost, you can just wait at the last known good point and someone will show up. (One guy popped up going north while I was trying to figure out which way to go at an unsigned fork in the path.)

- There are signs at most trail intersections. But unlike the AZT, no signs that I saw telling you where Springs are.

- And so, for example, if the trough at LaBarge had not been overflowing and trickling down the ravine below, I never would have known/thought to climb/scramble up a high ledge to find water.

- While I didn’t go to Charlebois, a trio of Old Timers just returned from there Friday told me that there was no water in the cement trough. But if you continue a bit further (east?), there’s a large pond. With fish and tadpoles in it.

- Some “smooth” steepish stone on the east side of the loop. (Looks as if someone had poured watered-down concrete in those places.) Much more of the same coming down on the west side of the loop. I would not want to walk on this after a rain. (No purchase. And nothing for your trekking pole to dig in to.)

- Almost no animals. Almost no scat. (One Old Timer showed me one that was coyote.) Didn’t hear or see any rattlesnakes. (Everyone said “none.” But one pair of backpackers told me about a snake ahead of me at a creek crossing. But they didn’t know if it was rattlesnake.) I might have seen one small bear scat. But that didn’t make sense, because if a cub, where is mom and dad? And no berries anywhere. (Ranger guy told a pair of women new to the area that they didn’t need their BearVault.) Hardly any birds. No rabbits. I saw about five small lizards on rocks.

- A lot of campsites along the loop, not all that have icons on RS. But almost none had shade.

- The last mile back to Peralta on the Bluff Spring side has some VERY large steps down.

- The scenery wasn’t particularly spectacular in my opinion. AM Radio reception was fine. (To pass, and mark, the time.)

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Boring Personal “Dear Diary” observations about the Trip

You might notice two “anomalies” in my Route. First, my Route doesn’t start at Peralta. That’s because I hadn’t given RS permission to access my GPS before I left home. And the next day, I forgot to Resume RS after Pausing. (It’s the straight line in my route.)

Addle-brained. I also forgot to camel-up at the TH. (I can’t believe that I need to add "Drink water" to my Checklist.)

As usual, I averaged 1 mph for the trip.

My year of making training hikes with 30 lbs on my back paid off as I started out strong and didn’t hurt my knees during the trip. (I was able to step down two foot vertical steps under control without torquing a knee.)

While I could not keep up with the younger people I met (Kim, late 40's/early 50's, was moving at least 2x faster than I was), I was mostly able to keep up with my peers.

For example, there was a group of six sexagenarians (as am I) who started a few minutes ahead of me. (Hiking Miners Needle Loop?) I was happy that I caught up and passed them with 34 lbs on my back without the aid of my trekking poles. (To their pounds of water and snacks.)

And, the next day, when a Trio of Old Timers was coming back from Charlebois, I was able to keep up with them on level and climbs. But I fell back (not literally) going down hill the last mile on those steepish, step-down descents. (I blame it on trying to balance 30% of my body weight 5 feet in the air. And my normal balance isn't what it used to be.)

I was moving along fairly well the first day until the 5 mile mark. After that I needed to use my trekking poles, even on level terrain. I don’t have a marathoner’s endurance/no fat stores. (Note to self: Read about Bulking Up before a marathon.)

I lost 5 pounds - which, three days later, I still haven’t regained. I snacked more this trip eating walnuts and peanut butter packs. (The latter a tip an AZT Thru-hiker shared with me.) And I learned that I can, in fact, eat a pound plus of food for dinner - when the dinner is homemade chile.

The weather was nice. I estimate high about 80. Low about 40, in the valley of LaBarge. (The battery on my humidistat quit. But I could see my breath at night.) Sometimes a breeze. Sometimes not. It’s amazing how hot it can be standing in the sun. Renewed appreciation for farm workers.

The plan was to fill up at Whiskey Spring. But unlike the AZT, I didn’t see any signs pointing the way to a Spring.

There was a short metal sign post (?) - with no sign - on the trail where the GPS’s said that Whiskey Spring should be. The last HAZ Report (in Feb) said “Small pool.” (With oily sheen.) I took a half hour break/nap there under a tree and changed my socks.

No water seen at Trap Canyon. So on to LaBarge.

I kinda “tripped” across LaBarge Spring. There’s a campsite RIGHT in the middle of the trail.

I figured “This must be it.” But again, no sign pointing to the Spring.

A HAZ Water Report said “You’ll hear it when you get to it.”

But that assumes normal hearing.

As I can no longer hear crickets with my right ear. I didn’t hear any tricking.

BUT, I did hear the low hum of bees. (This was about 4:30 pm.) Having seen bees hovering over water at the Barnhardt Waterfall and also at Bear Spring, I thought they might be over water. I looked and noticed a curvy path leading to the hum. As I approached, I saw a small pool of water and then saw water trickling down a narrow ravine.

About 1 quart per minute for one strong trickle.

Interestingly, my trick of homing in on the bees wouldn’t have worked the next morning because the air was filled with the hum of a bazillion bees coming from somewhere indescript overhead.

As I think about now, I was told (by the Trio of Old Timers, who hike the Superstitions once a week in the winter) that the Spring proper is up on a ledge. So maybe there were a bazillion bees high up over the Spring? Or is a bee hive there? The Old Timers have climbed the (muddy) ravine. (They knew about the root blocking the way.) They have also climbed the slightly less steep - but also muddy - path up to the right.

I take it as Providential that the trough was overflowing. Else, I would have been down to my last quart of water.

Zero animals there. (And there where a lot of dead leaves everywhere. I would have heard the rustling.) At night I heard one owl in the distance. Two birds calling in the morning.

(It turns out that, in the middle of the night, with no bees buzzing, I could hear the trickling of the water 30 feet away.)

The next morning, it took me four hours to fuss and pack up. (Am more of a camper than a backpacker.) It wasn’t until 11 am that I was on my way.

While fussing, a backpacker came from the north, looking for the Spring. He, his wife, and a neighbor, were backpacking and needed water. (He had left them behind under some shade.) I pointed the way.

(I saw them again later that day, ahead of me, slowly outpacing me. Then they disappeared, and reappeared behind me a few hours later. (Turns out that they packed up their camp in the interim.))

I hadn’t seen anyone on Thursday after the Sun City group at Peralta. In contrast, I saw 13 people Friday on the west side of the loop.

First I met the trio of three Old Timers heading to Charlebois on an out-and-back. Then I saw the husband/wife/neighbor backpackers above. Then Kim, who was doing recon to Charlebois to take a group there the next day. (!) She was lean - no fat stores. Don’t know how she does it. I slept 12 hours Friday night recovering from hiking the same distance in two days! Then a father & son (65/40?) who were backpacking to Charlebois from Peralta for the night. The brother/other son was going to catch up hours later. (I met him at the unsigned fork.) The trio of Old Timers caught up to me on their return. I was able to keep pace with them until the downhill started becoming steeper and I had to watch my balance.

At about 4:00, some old Marine (crewcut) was marching up the steps armed with only a flask. He asked how I was doing. I said “Tired” and it was “Dangerous.” He said that I sounded like the Trio ahead of me. So he sounded like a Marine too.

And last, to my amazement, a middle-age husband/wife team of “professional” backpackers, all decked out, were coming up out of Peralta. Amazed because it would be dark in two hours. Given that I became lost crossing some of the creek beds, trying to find a cairn far away at night wouldn't work. But they seem to know exactly what they were doing. (I saw a coffee cup on the woman’s pack with Arizona on it. But my brain was too sugar deprived to think if it said HAZ.)

Compared to meeting people on the AZT, it was Big City vs Little Town. People on this trail are in a rush and aren’t interested in stopping for a minute to chat.

I never noticed the 57 arm saguaro. Was looking down too much and I don’t have a good feel for distance covered and time using RS. (I.e., I don't know when to look up for an icon.)

A Water bag can puncture if you let them drop. Carry an extra.

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RS Notes about water and undocumented campsites

(Apparently these don't display in RS if you load my Route? So the mileages are from different parts of the route and don't correlate to anything.)

3.10mi - 10:24am | 1h 45m
Water in catch. Maybe tickling?

0.53mi - 11:47am | 0h 51m
Campsite

1.10mi - 12:21pm | 1h 26m
Campsite

0.44mi - 2:04pm | 0h 20m
Pools

1.12mi - 2:37pm | 0h 53m
Campsite

1.47mi - 2:57pm | 1h 14m
Error in route 1/4 back

1.86mi - 3:12pm | 1h 28m
Campsite

2.28mi - 3:28pm | 1h 44m
Campsite

3.00mi - 3:51pm | 2h 7m
Campsite

2.32mi - 1:14pm | 2h 27m
Campsite

2.51mi - 1:24pm | 2h 37m
Flowing water

2.61mi - 1:36pm | 2h 47m
Flowing

2.90mi - 1:55pm | 3h 8m
Flowing

3.76mi - 2:41pm | 3h 54m
Campsite

4.31mi - 4:13pm | 5h 26m
Water

5.17mi - 4:54pm | 6h 8m
Campsite

5.34mi - 5:01pm | 6h 14m
Campsite
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Spent two nights at the Christopher Creek campground. (Second time this year.)

The drive to/from Phx to Christopher Creek was uneventful. No construction.

Amazingly, fuel prices have been cheaper in Phx (ARCO, cash) than in Payson this (election) year.

The campground was fine. The "permanent" camp host is gone. But rangers from Payson come out biweekly or so to replenish supplies.

The campground was about 25% full. This time everyone was quiet. (No loud radios.)

Temps from almost 80 to almost 40.

I'm amazed that the Creek is still flowing. It can't be snow melt at this time of the year, can it? And it's hardly rained this summer. The Creek was a little lower than in June, but still good flow.

We saw two cattle along the Creek when we were there. The people in the campsite adjacent said that the cattle came up to their campsite the day before. (But no green grass at the sites.) They also said that they saw elk the day before.

All we saw was a skunk, skunking down to the Creek Wed night. (I wonder if any animals eat skunks? If not, seems like they ought to be as populous as rabbits.)
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This Report is about the loop from the Barnhardt TH, via Y Bar, the MDT, Rock Creek, half of Half Moon. (I "cheated" and took a short cut that I knew about from last year, taking a FR to the mid-point of Half Moon.)

I had attempted this same loop last year at almost this same time (late April last year), but bailed in the middle, taking the Barnhardt Trail back to the BH TH.

As such, the main purpose of trying this loop again was a "test." To gauge whether I have become any better at backpacking. (Or worse. Or no change.)

Although I completed this loop (without injury or falling), it took me a LOT longer than I had expected. (1 mph.) After navigating part of what is arguably a very dangerous trail, and after meeting a younger AZT Volunteer at the Rock Creek Falls (who was backpacking to Horse Camp Seep), and one more bear encounter, I had an epiphany:

This will probably please a lot of you. I realized that I am not a backpacker.

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The important stuff first:

- The FR to the Barnhardt Trail head is as rough as ever. But only a few small ruts in some places and any old sedan could travel it safely. (Albeit, slowly.)

- Y Bar is in fairly fine shape. Was cleaned up a month before by BiFrost and other Volunteers. Even so, stuff had grown back. So I cleaned it up more. I brought a small pruner with me and debrushed the worst parts of the trail.

- Lots of water at the seep along Y Bar. There are three seeps all together. Go for the middle one, as it's flowing gallons per minute.

- I did not see any scat along Y Bar.

- Some water south of Windsor Spring on the west side. (There might have been water at Windsor Spring too. (The trail was muddy there as it was last year when there was still water at the Spring proper.) I didn't stop to look this time.)

- There is a very nice campsite at the end of Y Bar (where it meets the MDT). See photo. No animals around at all. (Except a very few birds.) Super quiet, no wind (being in a large saddle). Fantastic sunset view of Mazatzal Peak, and shady in the morning from same.

- Plenty of campsites from there to the Barnhardt junction, and then after to Chilson Spring. I don't recall much brush in the way on this section. But if there was any, I clipped it.

- Too much water around Chilson Spring. It soaked the trail, making it muddy/slick in some places. As with last year, it's easier to obtain water from the pools/flow south of Chilson Spring than to risk breaking a bone climbing the rocks (worse, descending the rocks - with bags of water in your hands) to the Spring proper.

- I can't remember now, but there had to have been a lot of brush encroaching on the trail after Chilson Camp to Horse Camp Seep, because the Thru-Hikers there later acknowledged that someone had been doing trail maintenance ahead of them.

- Horse Camp Seep is very nice - it's like Christopher Creek, northeast of Payson. (Pines and water.) A waterfall or two and a large swimming hole. (But cold water, being snow melt.)

- The trail to Hopi Spring is soaked with water which made very deep, thick mud. There were post holes, two feet deep, left by horses. (No photos. I was too busy trying not to sink.) I suggest that mud cups for your trekking poles are mandatory.

- Rock Creek Trail from Hopi Spring had obviously been cleared of the large stuff in the middle of the trail. (I thought that I had read that BiFrost and friends had worked on it recently. But I can't find that Report.) But there had been overgrowth since, which I trimmed.

- Some parts of this section of Rock Creek are rocky and straight up to the 7200' summit. I would not want to come down this way.

- After the summit, the trail becomes very narrow, often difficult to traverse (one large rock which required a 3 foot boost to climb up), and not well marked where you need it marked. If it weren't for Route Scout's amazing accuracy and horse hoof prints, I wouldn't have been able to stay on trail.

- There is hardly any shade on the east side of the summit.

- There was plenty of water at the Rock Creek Water Fall. And a second fall shortly east of it.

- I didn't see any campsites - or any places to camp - anywhere along Rock Creek Trail, although an AZT Volunteer who I met at the Falls said he saw one right across from where we were standing.

- As my pruner broke just before the Waterfall, I was not able to clear the trail from the Waterfall eastward. There is a lot of encroachment for the first mile east of the waterfall.

- The section of Rock Creek Trail after that to the creek itself is very crumbly, loose dirt. I saw numerous places where the horses had slid a few feet downhill.

- After I arrived along the creek, I saw a bunch of fresh bear scat. While trucking along at deep dusk (7 p.m.) toward the end of the Rock Creek Trail, a black bear barreled out in front of me, about 50 feet ahead, running from my left to right at about 20 to 30 mph.

- From my previous experience there, I knew that I could take the jeep trail to camp out at is what is questionable called "The Rock Creek Trail Head," a dirt circle with a fire pit.

- Baby owls do not make a "Who-who" sound. They make a completely different sound.

- From the "Trailhead," you can take FR 442 to FR 1556 to the midpoint of Half Moon.

- Half Moon trail was in reasonable shape. It's rocky going downhill.

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Well, I'm still exhausted from this trip and don't feel like writing much more.

"Briefly," I thought that I could make this trip in two, maybe 2 ½ days, since three of our intrepid hikers here (one my age or older) had made a similar trip (Barnhardt Trail instead of Ybar) in one day.

It took me four. (Three nights.)

(Fortunately, this time I brought enough extra food and snacks. (Still, I lost 5 lbs.) And since water was abundant this time, water wasn't a problem.)

Some of that was that I wasn't able to start on the trail until noon on Monday, due to prior obligations.

Some of that was because I spent a lot of time pruning brush along the trail. (I didn't keep track how long that took. But perhaps added an hour to each section? Takes a long time to stop, pull out your clipper, clip, put it back, hike 20 more feet, and repeat. I have more appreciation for the volunteers now.)

But to be frank, most of the delay was because I can't move as fast as most of you. (I just now noticed that Route Scout seems to have a hard-wired estimate of 2 mph for trails. (Regardless of steepness?))

And I seem to have lost some of my endurance/mitochondria from last year.

Last year I was able to go from the Barnhardt TH, to the end of Y Bar, and THEN to Bear Spring for the night. Whereas this year, I was too exhausted at the end of Y Bar to continue to Chilson.

Very disappointing for me, since 1) I was clearly in better shape, strength-wise, this time from last year. (I have been making training hikes for months now, with 20+ lbs. Knees didn't hurt, didn't need to wear my knee brace.), 2) I have tuned up my backpack to the point where 30+ lbs doesn't feel heavy (left shoulder didn't start to bother me until Day 4). 3) I was eating more calories along the way and staying hydrated this time.

Essentially, I have optimized as much as I can. But it was still very difficult for me.

The three intrepid hikers didn't comment on how difficult the Hopi Spring part of the trail is. So I assumed an argument from silence, that it was "easy." But I rate it as "Severe Difficulty."

But maybe it WAS easy for them. For example, I met an AZT Volunteer, Alex, at the Rock Creek Waterfall at 4 o'clock Thursday afternoon. He was filling up on water on his way to Horse Camp Seep.

Now, it had taken me six hours to go from HCS to the Waterfall. (Again, with some debrushing along the way. But to be frank, I would have paused going uphill anyway.)

He had made this trip before. I asked him if he could really make HCS by 6 pm. He thought about it and said, "Two thousand feet, two miles, in two hours? No problem."

That's when I realized that I was out of my league.

Apparently most of you are Extreme Athletes. I am not. (Nor will I ever be.)

Apparently most of you still have your balance. I do not. (Even a cactus catching my shoelace is enough to upset my balance.)

And possibly many of you are Thrill Seekers/Adrenaline Junkies. I am not. (Not even on my RADAR/can't understand why people would Bungee Jump.) I do not enjoy seeing bears or rattlesnakes, even tho this time the bear ran from me and I did not see (nor hear) any rattlesnakes.

I am more of a camper than a backbacker. I enjoy setting up my tent and camping for a night. (I would take a chair and a beer if I could justify the weight.)

A second night is okay. But after that, it becomes a chore setting up and tearing down. (Mostly tearing down, when everything is wet and when you have to pack things as well as you did at home to make them fit.)

I met four Thru-hikers at HCS. They all were in bed by 7:30 pm. No camp fire. Up and out by 7 am. One, who left earlier, said, "I have to leave early to keep up with these guys."

That sounds like an obligation. Not recreation. (Somewhat like the girl they told me about who is trying to set a new speed record for the AZT. If "The trip is the Adventure," then why the drive to push so hard?) I want to enjoy myself.

Except for a slightly chubby woman there (who had done the CDT before and who seemed to be meandering along the trail as in life, content to do 10 miles per day (perhaps staying (and eating?) with Trail Angels frequently?) none of the others seemed to be having fun.

And, for me, this trip was not fun. It was grueling and dangerous. (The latter mostly because of the chance of falling and breaking something.)

Looking back on it and comparing it to my try last year:

Last year, I was ignorant, not knowing that I needed hiker-centric GPS apps, with accurate routing. (And so I went off course, falling, twisting a knee, leaving my backpack, etc.) I was ignorant of the strength required, so I hadn't trained. I didn't know anything about wild animals.

Had I tried this last year, I likely would have died because the Hopi Spring section was virtually impassible, grown over with vegetation as it was, and without good GPS, I surely would have become lost there or along the waterfall east. (As I bailed on a second try last year to the waterfall.)

This year I prepared much better, to the point where I don't believe that I can prepare much more. (If I'm at 90% now, that last 10% won't buy me much. (Akin to the 80/20 Rule.)) I thought that I was ready.

But I was stupid.

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I made Water Reports using RS. I don't know if they posted automatically.

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Route Scout Notes:

1.75mi - 1:38pm | 1h 27m
Water

2.10mi - 2:03pm | 1h 52m
Water

3.17mi - 3:29pm | 3h 18m
Water

4.35mi - 4:44pm | 4h 33m
Campsite?

5.55mi - 5:58pm | 5h 47m
Water

1.25mi - 9:32am | 0h 51m
Water trickle

2.76mi - 10:48am | 2h 7m
Campsite

3.28mi - 11:07am | 2h 26m
Trickle

5.02mi - 12:58pm | 4h 17m
Water

5.79mi - 1:32pm | 4h 51m
Small waterfall

6.45mi - 2:14pm | 5h 33m
Water

6.52mi - 2:23pm | 5h 41m
Water

0.46mi - 8:56am | 0h 20m
Water large trickle

0.86mi - 9:17am | 0h 41m
Water large trickle

2.19mi - 1:22pm | 1h 54m
Water

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Barnhardt Creek at Half Moon Trail Heavy flow Heavy flow
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Hopi Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Water uphill

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Y Bar Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Along trail
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I had planned a two-day (or max, three) backpack trip, with - obviously - one (or two) overnights, from White Canyon proper (some maps call it Walnut Canyon) westbound to where the GET #3 meets the AZT. Then return same way eastbound.

A "short" 5 miles each way. 1 mile more (each way) if the stock pond at the junction of the GET and AZT was still yucky and I had to hike to the Water Collector to replenish. (Given the recent rains there, I was hoping that the stock pond was drinkable again. BUT - I just now checked AZT Water Reports. A new report from yesterday reports that the pond is dry.)

I bailed 3 miles plus into the hike when I came to a steep descent. I decided at that point that it was too dangerous for me to continue.

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The important stuff:

- Although the GET #3 is shorter than taking the new AZT, it will take you longer.

- There is no problem taking water from the Well at White Canyon proper. There is a large blue tank on public land (right next to the Yellow Gate private property) fed from the Well. Crystal clear clean water. See my Water Report.

- I drove in from Rt 177. You will need car GPS to navigate because 1) there is no sign naming Battle Axe Road, and 2) there is no sign telling you to make a sharp right turn mid-way (while the "main" road continues straight) to go White Canyon.

- The road is in fine shape, up until a barbed wire "gate" at the Canyon proper. A sedan could travel on it to that point. Shortly after that, a HC 4x4 is needed.

- The first 1.5 miles westbound on the trail is a road walk. And somewhat difficult at that. (The road is traveled a LOT by Jeeps and rutted out deeply as a result.)

- But even from on the road, the scenery is spectacular. Especially in the late afternoon when the setting sun illuminates the high cliffs. The hills later on were particularly green. (But no flowers per se.)

- Except for birds, there were virtually no animals. No rattlesnakes seen nor heard. No bears nor bear scat. (No berries.) No deer. No rodents. One rabbit 2.5 miles in. (Where there's one, there must be one hundred.) Maybe I saw some cat scat further west? (Some hair in it.) I might have heard a cat calling higher up around 7:30 at night. Or maybe a bird's night song? But only once. Some mosquitos at night. No bees.

- If you like solitude, this is your hike. Saw no one once on trail. (Although apparently, the night before me, someone had camped where I camped.) No bike tracks. (I think it would be impossible to bike.) Horse tracks (shoe'd) up to a mile short of where the White Canyon Wilderness begins to the west. (I presume they turn around before there?) I didn't see any horseback riders on trail when I was there. (But I met three riders as I drove up to the Canyon proper Monday afternoon. I assume that they were one some part of the trail earlier?) If you break a bone here, it might be months if anyone finds you.

- The trail tread was easy to follow up to about 2.5 miles westbound. (Where the horses stop traveling?) And then the tread is very hard to see until the point where I bailed. (See photos.) Update: I found out why. There used to be a road to this point. (See last photo.)

- This trail is not like the AZT, where volunteers work to install steps, clear obstacles, etc. There were a couple of places where I had to step up 2 feet over large rocks.

- While there are some (very) small cairns where there is no tread, they aren't easily seen westbound. The trail appears to have an eastbound (PHX to ABQ) bias to it. That is, when I bailed and returned eastbound, I noticed the small cairns much more easily.

- Nevertheless, I still went off trail a bunch of times. Thankfully I had RouteScout, and thankfully I remembered to pin my route this time, with a 50 foot deviation.

- Except for one stagnant pool, at about 2.75 miles (which I Providentially stumbled upon as I mistakenly followed a trail to it), I saw no water after White Canyon. (But the pool was obvious when I turned back eastbound.)

- Mosquito larvae float. (As it relates to not clogging your filter. ) And a Sawyer doesn't get all the green out. (I presume it's safe to drink. Had a slight flavor to it.)

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So the Long Story:

I had initially planned to drive out late Sunday afternoon (avoid Phx traffic) to White Canyon and either car camp overnight 2 miles well short of the Canyon and start my hike early Monday morning. Or start in that afternoon, from well short, and camp out where ever Sunday evening.

Or leave early Monday morning (5 am), avoiding Phx traffic, then start hiking when I arrived.

Fortunately, things worked out for the best.

I wasn't able to leave Phx until 1ish Monday afternoon. Traffic was light on I-10 to the 60. (No Ren-Fest early in the week.) I arrived at Battle Axe Road at 3:30 pm. Thunderstorms were to the north, moving south.

There is no signage (that I saw) southbound pointing out Battle Axe Road. A large sign says only "Primitive Road." You - or your GPS - have to know it's there.

It took about a half hour to drive to the Canyon. The road was fine, nothing earth shattering. There is a right turn that you have to make mid-way, where it appears that the main road continues straight. Had I not had GPS, I wouldn't have turned.

I passed a corral that I saw earlier on satellite. So that was comforting. (To know that I was on the right road.) I had initially planned to car camp there. Fortunately, I ventured on.

I eventually arrived at the Canyon proper. I saw the Yellow Metal Gate, guarding the Well, that I had seen in photos. (Although it was open.) Being the end of the day, I met three young men on horseback, presumably returning from riding on the trail. I asked them about the GET and where to park. "By the barbed wire gate." 100 ft ahead.

As I was preparing to park, I met two middle age ranchers driving out of the Yellow Gate property. Same question. This time one fellow suggested that, because of the threat of storms (flooding), I not park in the sandy wash by the gate, but to go through the gate a few hundred feet to a campsite on higher ground.

Okay.

Turns out that two old, self-proclaimed Hippies from the 60's were there in their - what else? - VW vans. I'm surprised that they were able to drive their vans a few hundred feet past a deep wash and a very rutted out road. I used first gear in 4x4.

They were hospitable and suggested that I park along the road. They would be there until Thursday and were willing to contact my friend if I had not returned by then. (So at least she could make arrangements to retrieve the vehicle.)

I started prepping and was backpacking by 5 pm. By this time the storms had died down. So I was treated to the sun brilliantly illuminating the high cliffs around me as I started out.

But it was still breezy, with temps in the low 70's. I put on a windbreaker before I started, which I thought I would need. But I regretted that soon after, as I heated up from backpacking. But as evening was coming, I left it on.

Mostly a road walk. But then I saw two posts that had that "The Trail begins Here" look. (Although neither of them said anything about the GET or Old AZT. In fact, I didn't see any trail makers after this.) It started out being an easily discernable trail.

I thought, after all the recent rains in the area days before, that there would be lots of water in washes along my way. But except for the creek/stream/wash at the Canyon, there was no water along my route this evening. (Although everything was green.)

About 6:30 pm, I had hiked 2 miles and was wondering where to camp. Fortunately, I noticed a flat spot one foot off the trail to my left, where the grass had been flattened in a rectangular shape, with rocks at the corners. Clearly someone had camped here the night before. I figured "If it was good enough for them, it's good enough for me."

About then I heard a "call" from higher up the mountain that could have been a cat. (I don't know what bobcats sound like. Or maybe a mountain lion? (But I'm told that they sound like a woman screaming. And what I heard wasn't bone chilling.)) It called only once. I was on the lookout for eye reflections all night. But, thankfully, never saw any.

The wind picked up in the evening as it often does in the mountains. So I struggled to set up camp. (My tent blew away while I was trying to stake it down.) Fortunately it wasn't cold. Just windy. Heated water in the protection of my vestibule. Dinner, brush teeth, in "bed" by 8:30 p.m.

I noticed a tower on a mountain about 20 miles (?) to my south and on a hunch, I came out of Airplane Mode. To my amazement, I had cell covered. (Data too.) But that was the only place. (Line of sight to tower.)

Normally I set up two solar rechargeable LED lamps around camp at night so that I can investigate noises if needs be. But as there was a Quarter moon out, it was remarkably bright as it was. In fact, I'd forgotten how bright starlight is. (After the moon set.) The moonlight waxed and waned as the clouds drifted by, as I also drifted off to sleep.

I didn't hear many animal noises that night. No crickets. No coyotes. An occasional bird still awake in the bright moonlight. (Happened at Chilson Spring in moonlight too.) The wind died down after midnight.

I was up at 6 a.m., which is unusual for me, especially while camping. But I had gone to bed early and I wanted to try for an early start.

Fortunately there was no wind in the morning - unusual for the mountains - and I was able to pack up in two hours. (A personal best for me.) Although the rain fly of my tent was wet, and my (down) sleeping bag was damp.

I didn't want to put the fly in my backpack wet. So I wrapped it around my poles and inserted the bundle into some loops on the back of my back. I tried to let my sleeping bag air out. But I had to compress it wet.

Rehydrating food uses up water. (Although you can argue that you're "drinking" it while you eat. So it's not wasted, per se.) I was down to 1.7 liters for what RouteScout showed was 3 miles to go.

Even tho I routinely make 4 mile training hikes (with my backpack) at Mountain View park in 2 hours or less, I figured that this 3 miles would take at least 3 hours.

The temperatures were nice (mid-70's?). So I should be okay. Still, it would be nice to find some water westward.

On the trail at 8:30. The tread continued well. Until about a half mile later. Then the tread started disappearing and it became very difficult to know which way to go. (See photos.)

I brought a small hand-clipper on this trip and used it to clear some overgrowth in parts of the trail.

Up until this time, where was plenty of horse poop and horse shoe marks on the trail. But they both suddenly stopped.

Every now and then I was able to spot a cairn. But they were very tiny, and barely noticeable from the my perspective going west. See photos. It would turn out that they were easier to spot when I turned around and headed eastbound.

But between RS beeping at me and an occasional cairn, it was reassuring to know that I was on "the" trail. (Apparently there is some ambiguity about the GET. Even the HAZ MapDex shows an alternative GET, tracking along a wash. (And old, old version of the AZT?))

Even with RS beeping, I still managed to mistake a game trail for the actual trail. But in one instance, that was fortuitous. For I stumbled upon water!

Yeah, okay, it was starting to scum with algae. And there were mosquito larvae squirming in it. But I figured it would be better to have it and not drink it, than to need it but not have it

So I filtered about 0.7 liters.

And then I came to a cairn showing that the trail descended 20 feet down to a wash. I could see clear tread on the other side of the wash. So that was encouraging.

But the descent was about 30 feet long in loose, rocky soil. About a 45 degree decline. (I thought I had taken a photo showing this part and the tread on the other side of the wash. Maybe I did, but in my struggle, forgot to hit "Save.")

I started down. But about a fourth into it - which took about 15 minutes - I started thinking "There's no way that I'm going to be able to make it back up this way on my return."

So then I started thinking that I would have to take AZT 16 to the Gila, and then along the Gila to Walnut Canyon back to White Canyon. (Along the sandy wash that I didn't want to hike a few weeks ago.)

Rats.

And then I started thinking "What if I fall here and break a leg, arm, clavicle?" No way I would get back alive. Nor would anyone find me for a long time.

So I turned around, climbed a treacherous 7 feet back uphill, and set my sites on returning to White Canyon proper.

It was almost 11 am by now. So I was hiking at less than 1 mph this morning (slowed down by a half hour water filter stop) as I tried to find - and travel - what had become a difficult trail.

The weather was still nice - temps not hot. I noticed, going back eastbound now, that there were more cairns going east than I had noticed west. They were all very tiny. But their perspective was different going east. So easier to spot. Still, I managed to go off trail a bunch of times between cairns. (Zoom in to the end my Route and laugh.)

Once back on good tread, things went faster. But not as fast as I would have liked. There was more downhill this way, and the rocky, crumbly ground downhill is a recipe for disaster. So I was still at 1 mph for the rest of the way back.

I was back at the Hippie campsite shortly before 3 pm, and on the drive home shortly thereafter.

It was an interesting experience. I dunno... maybe I'll try to hike the missing 2 miles going east in November, just to see if old AZT signs are there.

(Here's someone else's description of the GET. www.simblissity.net/get/guide-seg03.shtml)

But for me, I'm going to stay on more curated or more traveled trails in the future.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Artesian Well - Walnut Canyon Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Overflowing clear water. It's in a blue, above ground pool/tank, fed by the Well. (See photos.) If you're hiking the GET, then you can't miss the tank. It's right along the stream/creek, on public land. I didn't filter.

If you're driving in from Battle Axe Road, it's just beyond a barbed wire vehicle gate (west) to the right of the yellow metal "Private Property" gate. (Where the Well proper is.) It's okay to open the barbed wire gate to drive thru. The tank is about 25 feet west of the gate.

If the icon isn't referring to the Well water, then the creek/stream was also flowing well when I was there.
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Three day trip. The Plan was Picketpost south along the GET #3/AZT #17 to where the GET goes east, where I would replenish water. Then east on the GET to White Canyon (water), south to Walnut Canyon (water), pick up AZT #16, then west (water at the end of the Gila), then north, back to Picketpost.

Didn't go according to Plan A, B, or C. Ended up finishing #16 to Kelvin instead.

The important stuff:

- Confirmed observationally that it is allowable to leave your vehicle overnights at the Picketpost TH. (There were quite a few cars when I arrived at 6 am, which clearly had been there overnight. And my vehicle was undisturbed the three nights it was there.) It's just camping at the TH proper that the Rangers don't want. (I saw a note on a picnic table warning someone to this effect.)

- There was more water, in pools, along #17 this time (as opposed to last month), on account of rain before. But I wouldn't count on it now. And except for a few spots, not easily accessible.

- Met a nobo mountain biker who had come up from the Gila the day before. He said he had tried the GET once, but that it was too thorny for a bike. Met his friend about an hour later backpacking nobo also from the Gila.

- According to a week old AZT Water Report, there was "Flowing clear water!" as at the point where the GET #3 tee's east. I hadn't seen the stock tank last month, but knowing about it now, I found it. Algae and mud. Yuck. Didn't see any flowing water. So Plan B, to go to White Canyon via the #16 later.

- If you're coming to the Water Collector from the south, do NOT take the road to the WC. The road is terribly slippery/steep/dangerous. Instead, continue on the trail nobo and come to the WC from the north side. Same comment going south. I thought I would save time taking the road down and that it wouldn't be as dangerous. But ditto above about the road and I had to go so slow that it would have been faster (and much safer) to take the trail down from the north side.

- The north half of AZT #16 is absolutely gorgeous. But no water on #16 from the Water Collector to the Gila.

- I think I saw a mountain lion. On a mountain. At night. And the lion saw me.
("Now why would anyone put reflectors up here?" Then they blinked. Yikes! A five hour standoff.)

- One fresh bear print in mud in a corral south of the mountain lion the next day.

- No signage (that I saw) at the Gila showing you the direction for Water Access. The path shown on MapDex is impassable. Take the road south. You won't hear flowing water until the last 20 feet. (If you go thru the AZT Gate and pass the "Low Point" sign, you've gone too far.)

- Water at the Gila was about knee high (I saw a mountain biker cross it). Flowing well and clear. (See photo.) No smell. Tasted fine.

- The #16 eastbound after that has a lot of road walk. And the signage isn't as good/missing. I missed a turn, passed thru what I thought was an AZT Gate, and wasted a half hour.

- In other places there are some game trails branching off/crossing #16. Lack of signage/cairns made it difficult to know which way to go. (GPS is your friend.)

- One rattlesnake rattling angrily at me - at dusk - hidden under bushes on trail as I was putting my headlamp on. Am thankful for trekking poles and gaiters.

- A large tree fall on the way to Walnut Canyon. You can get around it, but it's a balancing act. (I reported it to the Steward.)

- One HUGE bull/steer (8 feet tall?) on a narrow part of the trail, bounded by rock on one side, cliff on the other. Fortunately, he was going in my direction and after I asked him, he moved ahead 100 yards where he was able to climb up the trail to safe ground. Don't know what I would have done if he was going the other way. (No way for him to turn.)

- You can't see cattle at night. (But you can hear them trample away.)

- There is a trailhead of sorts at Walnut Canyon south of the Gate. The road to the Gila is a sandy beach-like stream bed. There was a nice place to camp, albeit under a widow-maker. I didn't have a problem with condensation, despite camping on the river bank.

- I don't know why it's called Walnut Canyon. I didn't feel like I was in a canyon.

- Now I know where the term "babbling brook" comes from. The Gila was talking all night, but I couldn't make out what it was saying.

- I had hoped to take the road from Walnut Canyon (which I believe is the east loop of Battle Axe Road) to White Canyon. But it was sandy. Like walking on a beach. Much more effort to walk. So much for Plan B. Keep going east to try White Canyon at the other Battle Axe Road later.

- When I arrived at the east part of Battle Axe Road (which the nobo-centric RS says is the way to White Canyon), the road wasn't as beachy. But since I wasn't sure about water at White Canyon (news below), I opted to continue to "civilization" at the end of #16.

- There was a sign saying "Water Access" either here or slightly east of here. (I can't remember.) I didn't try it. (But in retrospect, I should have.)

- While I could occasionally see the Gila from the trail, this would be the last place that I could find water until the end of #16.

- I "met" a guy (30-something) rushing nobo on a Thru-hike. He didn't want to stop to talk.

- Whereas a few hours later, I met a 50-something, also doing a Thru-Hike. We chatted for a few minutes and shared data.

- This part of the #16 has very "slippery" slopes. I local from Kearny, who does S&R, told me that he has rescued a few hikers here who have fallen and broken bones.

- You pass under some High Voltage lines. Wind makes an eerie howl in the wires. ("Wichita Lineman"?) Arcing. I expect a failure of that branch someday soon. (I don't know whom to call to report it.)

- There were a few campsites along #16, some which I documented on RS. (See bottom.) One was a large meadow, very idyllic looking, near a Railroad Trestle. Peaceful - until a train came by. (Someone had taken the time and effort to pack spray paint to the trestle and "tag" the trestle.)

- It looked like there should have been water near this meadow and many trails leading to where water should have been. But I couldn't find water.

- Once you arrive at the "end" of #16 (a trailhead parking lot and a Gate), the "Connector" is a gravel road (no longer public land). It's another half mile to the ADOT Maintenance Lot, where there is a spigot on the east side of the building with potable water. (Along Rt 177.)

- But if you're desperate, you will see part of the Gila Mineral Creek a bit before where you can filter water.

- The local who I mentioned before told me that "The Mine" owns the Artesian well" at White Canyon and that The Mine doesn't mine (no pun intended) backpackers obtaining water from it.

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I presume that the GPS data from my "Notes" on RS below are available on my (merged) Route.

6.46 miles - 11:28 am
Water here and more south along the drainage.

7.30 miles - 12:09 pm
Water

3.13 miles - 9:56 am
A campsite

3.63 miles - 10:14 am
Campsite

5.94 miles - 11:28 am
Campsite

7.65 miles - 12:12 pm
Nice campsite

8.78 miles - 12:52 pm
Campsite

9.78 miles - 1:21 pm
Campsite next to FR
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The important stuff first:

- The drive from Phx to Picketpost TH on US 60 is nice and smooth. 1 hour, 15 min from N. Phx.

- I saw a recent Picketpost hike video about a speed trap where the speed limit drops to 50 mph along the way. But if you drive the limit, no problem. I saw a Trooper seize/stop a driver during my return to Phx.

- Good signage signaling the Picketpost TH.

- The two short "Forest Roads" to the TH were fine, even after the rain of previous days. (Starts off asphalt, turns to dirt.)

- There is a sign at the TH that says "Day Use Only." But a Ranger told me - after the fact - that you can park overnight if you sign in at a Kiosk. More on that below.

- There are bathrooms/outhouses at the TH.

- When I arrived early Saturday morning, someone had left a couple gallon jugs of water for the taking. Nothing Sunday evening.

- Trail from the TH to the Water Collector (AZT # 17) is easy to follow.

- Very little water along the trail Saturday. Virtually none Sunday.

- There are about four or five campsites along the way. But none close to water. (Save for camping at the Water Collector itself.) All were exposed.

- No snakes that I heard or saw. No bears or bear scat that I saw. (But maybe a bear footprint? And I don't know if bear scat has berries in it in the winter.)

- Many hikers on the Picketpost loop early Saturday morning. But that number dropped to 1 - me - after the turn off along the AZT.

- About 10 mountain bikers, mostly sobo, on the trail Saturday. A couple on Sunday, both ways. Two northbound thru-hikers Sunday. I ran into a quartet on horseback Saturday, who were traveling nobo while I sobo.

- I learned that it's good to talk to spooked horses.

- I met some AZT Stewards and volunteers at the Collector Saturday night. (They had all mountain-biked there.)

- Due to uncertainty over the "Day Use" signage (above), I left my vehicle in Dispersed Camping. (Which, according to posted signage, could still be a problem.) Eerily quiet, animal-wise, at night. No crickets. No bird calls. One owl for a half hour. Some coyotes howling early in the evening. But a lot of road noise from Rt 60. (That quieted down after 11 pm.) But a nice fire pit.

The "Los Hermanos" Restaurant in Superior serves a good breakfast for not much money. (Corrected an error & mispelling.)
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Already a too long trip report, even tho trying to keep it short. (Am already two hours preparing all this at start.) So I've broken this down into two sections. Personal stuff, and the Trip itself. Skip ahead if you want. (Or don't read at all.)

Well, as usual, I'm still committing the newbie mistake of "Doing too much, too soon."

I initially intended to hike from Picketpost TH along the AZT to the Gila River, then east to Walnut Canyon, then the GET #3 to loop back to the AZT # 17 to Picketpost. Two - possibly three - overnights. Yeah, right.

I thought that this would be easy for a few reasons: 1) I saw a trip report here where one of you hiked #17 out and back in one day. 2) I saw another trip report where on of you (J.B.) hiked half of #17 to the GET, to White Canyon and back in one day. 3) RouteScout shows that the Elevation Gain along #17 is only 683 feet. But apparently that's nobo only. My actual sobo Track shows a gain of 2,300 ft. 4) I had been training for two months before this trip, hiking about two to three times a week, often 4 miles, with lately 30 lbs on my back with no problem. 5) I thought that this trip had to be easier than my trip last May from Barnhardt, Cross Y, MDT to Bear Spring, then to Chilson, then down Barnhardt trail in 3 days. That trip was hotter, higher and I hadn't been training much at all. Maybe this trip was easier than this one. Perhaps I am simply becoming too old. (TMI, as the kids say, but I also have a congenital birth defect where I have only 85% of normal lung capacity.)

In the end, I ended up hiking AZT # 17 (a.k.a. Alamo Canyon - that it was a canyon should have captured my attention) to the Water Collector, overnighting, and returning the next day.

Part of the reason for that was because I was afraid that my vehicle would be gone when I returned. That's because when I arrived at the Picketpost TH there was a sign saying "Day Use Only," with hours from "Sunset to Sunrise." (IIRC, I saw another sign later about 6 am to 10:30 pm.) And a Notice on the sign board there saying that any vehicle left in camping unattended for more than 24 hours would be considered "abandoned." Yikes!

So for sure I didn't want to leave my vehicle at the TH proper. So I parked at the closest dispersed camping site. (About 700 feet away.) Although not in the TH proper, I was still worried that the federal govt might consider my vehicle abandoned. So I was under a cloud of "I have to be back before Sunday night." If I had known that it was okay to park longer, I might have spent a couple more nights on the trail.

(I called the Ranger Station this morning. While this could be like calling the FAA - talk to 3 feds, get 3 different answers - the Ranger said to sign in a "kiosk" (a booklet south of the sign boards that I might have seen, but thought was a Guest Book) and everything would be okay. I explained that I decided to park in Dispersed, with a note on my vehicle, and he said that that was okay too. And I asked the AZT Stewards and volunteers that I met at the Collector. They hadn't noticed any of the signage and said that they routinely park overnight at the TH without incident.)

If it weren't for my vehicle, I might have continued south the next day to the Gila (for water and to overnight). And that that would be easy. After all, the lowest point of the AZT is along that trail.

But the AZT'ers I met at the Water Collector (Mike, Maxwell, Mike & Nancy), who were doing maintenance on 16E, told me that the trip south had some hard climbs. There was a nice meadow about 4 miles away to stop. But no water there.

(As a side note, they said that the Gila was "low." About knee deep.)

And Nancy was concerned that I was thinking of backpacking the GET without a satellite communicator. (There were enough people - mostly mountain bikers - on # 17 that if I broke a leg, someone would have tripped across me. (On weekends, anyway.))

But to be frank, I was exhausted from my trip Saturday night. I could barely walk uphill on the way back to Picketpost Sunday. And two days later, the back of my calves still hurt. And I almost fall over when I roll out of bed onto my feet in the morning.

I dunno. One the one hand, this was my "Personal Best" so far - about 12 miles each day. (I had backpacked 12 miles in one day on the Sunflower trail in November - but that was with a lighter (20 lb) pack.) On the other, there was a 40-year old woman with a small pack training for a Thru-hike on the AZT who wanted to ask me about my equipment while hiking. She took the lead at first, but I couldn't keep up. And on my return to Picketpost downhill, where I thought I was going fast, a couple in their 20's sped past me.

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The Trip itself

I started Saturday morning about 8:45 am. The weather was about as good as it could be, 56 degrees to start. Not much hotter (65?) in the afternoon. My only complaint was sometimes bone chilling wind gusts on parts of the trail. (I read here in a Trip Report that it starts to be too hot for this trip in March.)

There was still some water near the trail from the 3 days of rain three days before. But most all of it had dried up/been absorbed by Sunday.

Lots of traffic on the first part that is also Picketpost Loop. After that, mostly solo as far as backpackers were concerned. A bunch of mountain bikers tho. And one incident with horses.

While coming around a switchback, I apparently spooked a horse. The horse started to turn downhill into the canyon. With its rider. Yikes!

It was a quartet on horseback. I climbed uphill off the narrow trail to let them pass. All four horses where still spooked by my presence. (I think it's my broad-brimmed hat.) One of the riders suggested that I talk to the horses, that hearing my human voice would calm them down. (Now I'm wondering if I should have turned my gaze away too?)

I stopped for a half hour just after noon to eat a bit. I trudged my way to the Water Collector at 3: 45 pm. About 8 hours from start to finish.

Overnight was fine. The wind picked up around 9 pm with gusts to 20 mph or so.

It's interesting to hear the wind howl as it swirls in the canyons, coming and going.

I was slow packing up in the morning, repacking my back a few times in the wind. Probably scatterbrained from exhaustion.

So I didn't start back north until 11 am. Kinda late, and I didn't want to hike in the evening.

So I tried to hustle. But there was initially some uphill climbs where I would move 100 feet forward, stop, wait 10 seconds, and trudge another 100 feet. I thought about just stopping at one of the campsites along the way to continue the next day. But no water anywhere. Fortunately, after about 4 miles of this, the trail was mostly downhill and I think I made 3 mph. (I presume that there's a way to analyze my track to break down speed.)

And speaking of water, on my way sobo Saturday, I drank only 0.7 liters of water. I was carrying 3. So, knowing this, I cut back on the water I took with me the next day nobo to save a pound. That was a mistake.

For reasons unknown to me, I was really thirsty on the trip nobo and drank 2.25 liters. (The OAT was only a few degrees higher, but with high cirrus cloud cover.) That left me with only 0.5 liters when I arrived at Picketpost. (I had water in my vehicle though.)

I was back at the TH by about 5:30. So six hours to backpack 12 miles. (And so I'm attaching my nobo Track because it makes me look better than my sobo trip. (Also my nobo is more accurate, since I remembered to hit the "Pause" button more.))

Then another 20 minutes of trudging up the road to my campsite at dispersed camping.

A peaceful night there. When I drove in on Saturday morning, about half of the dispersed camping was taken. But the place was a ghost down Sunday morning.

I didn't feel like eating dinner that night and went to sleep early. But about 11 pm, I started to feel chilled.

I knew that the OAT wasn't lower than it was up at the Water Collector. And it wasn't windy. Yet I was on the verge of shivering.

I thought about it and concluded that I was probably starving for calories, having only eaten walnuts along the trail that day. So I rekindled the fire, ate some walnuts and an apple. That seems to have been enough. Went back to sleep and was fine for the rest of the night.

Drove the short 4 miles to Superior Monday morning. Not many restaurants are still in business there. One of them not open on Monday. But Los Dos Hermanos was open and served a fine breakfast.

Maybe I'll try again in February.
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This is the first of 3 triplogs from my In and Out from the Cross F TH to Sunflower along TR #344. I hiked to the east side of the culvert that runs under the Beeline Hwy, which I believe is the junction with the Pine Mtn Trail.

This is a sobo unofficial route. It's unofficial because it takes a shortcut along FR 393 to the south, mentioned here in HAZ in a Guide. (It shorts the Connector to the north that takes you to the full Sunflower trail.)

Important points:

- You're on your own bushwhacking from the Cross F TH to FR 393.

- There is a lot of water in a large cow pond along the trail. But no one wants to drink it. (Photo.)

- That's the only water that I saw. (I read that there is lots of water further south (along the Pine Mtn Trail) in Sycamore Creek. But I stopped along Sycamore Creek Road up here to look. It looked dry to me.)

- Saw a pair of cows near the cow pond who ran when they saw me.

- Saw no other animals (no rattlesnakes, no bears).

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In my typical over-exuberance/overestimation of my capabilities, I had intended to drive up to the Cross F Trailhead on Friday, when there was a good chance of rain in the area. I intended to hike in the rain down to Sunflower, return, and then load up from a 22 lb backpack to a 30 lb backpack to overnight north on the Little Saddle Mtn trail at my favorite mesa there. I'm glad that I didn't do all that.

First of all, it did rain Friday. (Photo.) Had I tried hiking the trail in the rain, I would have had to contend with slick, slippery mud on the trail.

Not only that, but recalling my grade school days, this would have been mud that sucks the boots off your feet.

And even if you keep your shoes on, you're going to be carrying about 5 lbs of mud with you on each foot. And then there were sinkholes.

Specifically, there were these large "post holes" that I presume collapsed under a horse's hoof. (I should have taken a photo.) So I could have easily broken an ankle/leg had I hiked Friday in the rain and sunk a foot.

Fortunately for me, the trail had dried up sufficiently Saturday to be safe. Still, there were indications of slimy mud in creek beds/low points. (Photo.)

When I arrived at the Cross F TH, I had the place to myself. (Same in the afternoon/evening.) Whereas the last time that I was here (February), there were quite a few vehicles. (Volunteer maintenance folk I think. I met a few on the LSM trail.) I parked under two trees where there was a fire ring.

Initially, without thinking, I started my hike to the north, intending to take the Connector from the Cross F TH to the junction of the Sunflower Trail and the LSM Trail. But, per log 3 of 3, I missed a turn on the Connector, and spent an hour off trail. Perhaps a blessing of sorts, because when I returned to my vehicle at the Cross F TH, I remembered that I had read here on HAZ about a shortcut to the Sunflower trail.

The shortcut is FR 393.

Although there is an official gate (and signage) on the NW side of the Cross F TH which starts the Connector, there are two other "gates" (but with no closures) on the south side of the TH. (Photo.) These are unlabeled.

I don't know why they're there. They're relatively close to each other. So it's not like they lead to different trails.

Anyway, looking at my GPS apps, it appeared that I could easily hike to FR 393. Hah.

Well, it was easy. But the trail wasn't clear. In fact, there was a new barbed wire fence (without barbs) that make it appear that someone didn't want hikers cutting across to the FR from the TH. So I had to bushwhack a bit to get onto the road.

In retrospect, it would be easier to hike out of the Cross F TH back on to Sycamore Creek Rd, walk about a quarter mile south, and get on to FR 393 directly.

Once on the road, it's a steady climb past the bases of the high tension towers that rise overhead. Not very scenic. (BTW, even though these are high voltage lines, and fairly close at times, I did not hear any hum/arcing. Perfectly quiet.)

But what a climb! I was huffing and puffing. If I were going to have a heart attack, that would have been the place.

Eventually I came across a trail marker. It was pointing 344 to the north. (I am getting the impression that the AZT is designed with nobo in mind. Whereas I think if I ever tried it (I don't think I will) that sobo would be better. (Mostly downhill.)

Anyway, the Sunflower trail to the south was fairly obvious - although soon there would be a well defined Jeep trail that confused me.

Temp was about 60 in the morning, climbing to 65 in the afternoon. There was a breeze in the morning, coming from the south that was often chilling. I thought about putting on my wind breaker, but soon I had descended enough that the wind was blocked.

There were several trail markers and cairns along the way. No brush to contend with, so the trail was fairly easy to see in the distance.

Soon you come up to a large cow pond to the east. It's fairly big and had a lot of water. But, oh, that water! (See photo.)

And it looked like muddy quicksand around the pond.

While hiking near some tree growth, I noticed that someone (more likely, someones) had taken the time to cleanly cut large branches off of some of the trees guarding the trail. (So I think it took two people. one to cut. One to hold the branch while cutting.) I know that I don't appreciate enough what volunteers to do make these trails pleasant for us.

Then a lot of gates to pass through. And some unique bridge-type of cattle guards. (I presume.) (Photo.)

The last two miles or so of the Trail sobo is the "Burn Area." Very desolate looking. Although some indications that life is returning. (Photo.)

As I wound downhill the last half mile, I thought that I saw the culvert that I would be passing through. But false alarm. The culvert for the trail is just around a bend.
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This is 2 of 3 triplogs from my In and Out from the Cross F TH to Sunflower along TR #344. It is an Official Route, starting on the east side of the culvert under the Beeline (which looks to be the junction between the Sunflower Trail and the Pine Mountain Trail) to the Cross F Trailhead via a marked Connector.

Important points:

- Water along the Connector to the Cross F TH.

- The Connector can be a little treacherous at times when coming back/downhill to the Cross F TH, because it's sometimes steep with crumbly rock.

- Saw a pair of pair of deer and a pair of cows on the return trip.

- Met a sobo Thru-hiker.

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This was my return, nobo, to my vehicle at the Cross F TH.

It was 2 pm and the temp had been a consistent 65 F most of the afternoon. I thought I would need my light jacket for the return. But the sometimes frigid breeze had stopped. So I took it off about 15 minutes into the return.

I had been wearing an airy overshirt (unbuttoned) and an airy tee-shirt. I can't imagine the weather being more comfortable for backpacking. Yet, to my surprise, I was super wet and stinky upon arrival the Cross F TH at 5 pm. Maybe it's because I was moving faster than I've ever moved before while backpacking?

Speaking of which, this was my personal best for speed. I covered this trail in the same 3 hours that it took to hike sobo. Except that going nobo is more uphill (I kept thinking about that long 4-mile climb while driving on the Beeline from Sunflower to the Mt. Ord exit). And I hiked a little further than my sobo trip, going past the FR 393 shortcut, to the Connector at the junction of this trail and the LSM Trail. My speed on RS calculates to about 2 mph. But I stopped to take photos, text, talk. It seemed to me that I was striding out at 3 mph at some points.

Obviously the trip was a reversal of my sobo trip. After exiting the culvert, you're quickly into the Burn Area.

On this pass, I stopped at a gate that I had read about on the AZ Trail Org's online Water Reports. There was a big black hose/tube leading downhill on the east side of the gate. (Photo.) There might have been water there. But I remember reading a caution about how steep it was down to the potential water (it was) and that it might be better to come at the water from the middle of three gates to the south, that I had passed a few minutes ago.

So I didn't try.

Later I met a 30-something Thru-hiker. (Trail name "Lichen.") He wasn't a local. (Didn't know how to pronounce Mazatzal.) He had come at least as far as Bear Spring this day (he gathered water there). That's 20 miles!

He was going to walk until dark and camp wherever. As it was 3:30 ish, he would see a 26 mile day! Ah... youth is wasted on the young. (IIRC, he had hiked other famous trails before the AZT.)

I should have asked him when he expected to complete his Thru-hike, since he had passed the half way point that day and would have about another 20 to 30 days to go at his speed. That would put him into mid-December. Doesn't it snow down south by then?

After this, I saw a pair of deer. But they ran before I could pull my camera out.

And I saw a pair of cows again near a Cow Pond. They also ran. (Amazing how those big animals can climb uphill so effortlessly.)

I wish that Black Bears were as timid as cows and deer.

By this time, I had finally figured out how to pin a Route on RS so that it would alert me when/if I went off trail.

I arrived at the junction of the Sunflower Trail and the Little Saddle Mountain Trail. I made a right turn (east) and wound my way down back to the Cross F TH. To my surprise, RS started buzzing at me. Apparently it doesn't consider Connectors as part of a trail.

Arrived at the Cross F TH around 5. I still had the TH all to myself.

As the sun dropped, so did the temperature. Rapidly! 30 degrees! Yikes! The forecast low was only 45. (I barely remembered that I had to protect my water filters from freezing.)

Pulled out a hand warmer, made a fire, had dinner and crawled into my tent around 8 ish.

Then a strong, blustery west wind rose up around 10 pm and to my surprise, the temp rose to the mid-40's.

My typically over-zealous plan had been to hike the LSM trail the next day, search for Marion Spring, and camp out on my little mesa there.

But I was beat from 13 miles of hiking this day. And that blustery wind was still blustering in the morning.

So I threw everything into the Blazer the next morning and drove back to Phoenix.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Lower 244 Creekbed Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Several pools, deep enough to draw good water from.
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This is 3 of 3 triplogs for this day of backpacking. (I'll see if I can Link all 3 logs after I've written all 3.)

Basically, I just want to show what Route NOT to take from the Cross F TH en route to the Sunflower Trail/Little Saddle Mountain junction. (The correct Route is uploaded on my log for Sunflower Trail #344.)

Important Notes:

- Head west (left turn) when you arrive at the 15 foot high "gate." (See photo.)

- The Connector can be a little treacherous at times when coming back/downhill to the Cross F TH, because it's sometimes steep with crumbly rock.

- There was water along the Connector! (No source is shown on the maps that I have.)

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I had arrived at the Cross F TH intending to take the Connector to the Sunflower/LSM Trail junction to start my trip sobo on the Sunflower Trail. (Although that's the long way around. In my sobo triplog, I show a shortcut if you intend to hike south on #344.)

I first hiked this Connector in February of this year. And I didn't go off trail back then. (I don't remember if I was using GPS at the time. If so, I was using OsmAnd, a marginal app for trails.)

But I'm ashamed to report that this time I took a wrong turn.

I dunno. Maybe it was hubris, having been an "old hand" on this Connector before. Or maybe the big cattle trail that I mistakenly turned onto wasn't as large and well traveled this past winter. (I barely noticed the narrow fork to the correct trail.) Or maybe I have no common sense - I blame the public school system - not realizing that I should be heading west, toward those big mountains.

Anyway, I hiked about a half mile, noticed some scenery that I hadn't noticed in February, and then finally looked at Route Scout. That's when I saw that I was way off course. (I am apparently also functionally illiterate, because, despite Joe's instructions in RS, I did not have pinning enabled at this time. (Although I don't know if that would have made any difference because, later, when I was coming off the AZT with pinning, RS was buzzing at me the whole time that I was on this Connector back to the Cross F TH.))
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Drove from Phx to Rye to explore more. (Car) camped out at Collom Mine (again) and explored a bit there.

First, for my drive on the Beehive, road construction was a non-event, in the sense that there were no delays.

Second, the two Forest Roads, FR 414 & 442 have been greatly improved since June. Did they bring sand in to fill the ruts?

Third, but still, need some clearance for the (very rocky) three (dry) creek crossings.

Fourth, no water anywhere that I could see. (But the deer must know where water is. (I saw two small ones along FR 442on the drive back.) Or maybe they drink from the cattle tanks?) I should have left Water Reports for the Creek crossings on the roads while driving. But who has Route Scout out while driving?

Fifth, I recorded my downhill hike on a road/path/trail on RS. But I can't figure out how to link it to this log.

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Not much to report this time. I partially hiked a "U" shaped road/path/trail from the Mine that lead to ... nowhere?

It started as a road. But then became too narrow for a jeep. Still, I saw some tire tracks? ATV's? Trail bikes? Finally, down to a trail. Up.

Kind of an enigma, because it appears that the road/path/trail is maintained, in the sense that the r/p/t was totally clear of vegetation. (I read here elsewhere that the manzanita will take back a trail in about 3 years.) I've hiked named trails that had overgrowth. Not this one.

The r/p/t doesn't seem to have been made with hikers in mind, as it goes straight uphill. (And straight downhill on the way back.) Doesn't look like it went anywhere. Satellite shows a pad at the end. I didn't go that far, as it was more uphill.

The maps show a second Spring on the back side of the "U." But the way was way too steep downhill to travel. (See photo.)

There's another branch from this r/p/t that heads west, and uphill again, to another pad. I didn't try that r/p/t.

There are two campfire rings at Collom Mine. One when you immediately arrive. A second is behind it on the other side of a large dirt mound, about 100 feet away to the north.

The maps show a Spring at the Mine. But I've never been able to find it. Alder Creek was dry.

The only other peculiar thing about Collom Mine - Conspiracy Theory time - if you bring an AM radio, it will buzz with a very strong low frequency noise. As if some high tension/voltage lines where nearby. And I mean, RIGHT near by. Maybe explains why the r/p/t is maintained so well? Leads to a secret govt project?
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A log entry to say that the Christopher Creek campground is being over run with cattle. (See cute photo of little dog guarding us against a big cow.) At least on the west side loop.

Was awaken at 2:30 am by a deep short grunt (?) sound, repeating about every 5 seconds. A cow about five feet from my friend's tent, chomping on grass. The sound was grass being cut by teeth.

The cow was unfazed by my presence. And totally oblivious to my LED headlamp on High shining directly into her eyes.

One guy left the campground early that next day, complaining that five cows were at his site all night, keeping him awake by mooing the whole time.

Speaking of "cows," also saw a female elk coming down from the hill (to the Creek) Wednesday evening. She was followed by a large bull. (Who bellowed ("bugled") out his call.)

On the drive home Thursday, we, unfortuantely, saw a dead female elk about a mile away on the side of 260 westbound. (Which is the direction that they were both headed when we saw them.) They all look the same to me. But size-wise, we think it was the one we saw evening before.
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This is a log entry for an overnight car camp at Collom Mine.

Important things first:

1) No signage. It's at the end of FR 442. No major driving issues for this short stub.

2) It's said that a Spring is there. If it is, I couldn't find it. Nor could I find the Mine.

3) Two campsites with fire pits next to Adler Creek, separated by about 100 feet and trees.

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This was part 3 of 3 of a 3-day "excursion." This was just an overnight to recharge before driving back to Phx the next day.

Since I saw bear scat in the camping area of the Rock Creek (TR 42) TH, I decided to camp at a different location. Collom Mine was just up the road (that is, north) and a short drive. I arrived around 5:30 in the evening.

Upon arrival, I pulled out my GPS and tried to find the Spring. And the Mine. No success.

The Creek was dry. It was dry the next day too, even after a night of rain from thunderstorms.

AFAIK, no trails here. But the satellite shows a road/dirt path that loops counterclockwise and ends up at another Spring. I didn't hike it as 1) it was already late in the day and 2) it started to rain lightly. So I napped in the Blazer for a half hour while it rained.

I didn't see any animals. I heard a few birds. Very few.

At dusk, after the rain, while setting up camp, I heard an animal that I've never heard before. At first I thought it was a very loud bird/crow. It was calling from about 200 feet away, along the road. But it had a growling throat sound that started its call. It went something like "gwAAAAAAaaaaaah."

It did that three times. I yelled "What animal are you" and it stopped and I never heard it again.

Your guess?

Thunderstorms were moving into the area, as there was lightning to the south. I started a campfire and had dinner.

The lightning came closer, and now thunder. I probably don't have to tell you how awesome it is to hear thunder echoing off the mountains.

The storms rolled in around 9:30, so I crawled into my tent. (Which, as a side note, held up well. Even tho the RH hit 100% (I was in cloud at 4:30 in the morning), I've never had condensation in this tent.)

Even though there was a lot of rain and thunder and lightning, there was zero wind. Strange. (I'm not complaining.)

While laying in my tent, the lightning came closer. There were some very bright flashes with near instantaneous loud cracks of thunder.

I don't know what it is about the sound of rain on your tent - maybe it's reminiscent of being in the womb? - but I fell fast asleep during all this.

The storms stopped sometime after midnight. Around two in the morning, I was awakened by what sounded like an animal sniffing near my head and pawing at the ground. I shouted but it didn't stop immediately. It wasn't until I turned on my headlamp that it stopped.

I eventually stuck my head out of my tent and looked around.

Nothing. If there had been something pawing near the corner of my tent, there were no traces in the soft dirt.

I dunno - maybe it was my now sagging tent fly flapping in the breeze?

Anyway, since I was kind of spooked, and since I had slept so heavily during the rain, I restarted my campfire and sat in front of it until about 4:30. Then I suddenly went blind.

Actually, what happened was that I was in cloud. The temp/dew point spread had dropped to zero and the clouds had descended onto my campsite.

I crawled in my tent and went back to sleep.

Woke up around 8ish, had breakfast and packed up. I took a photo of the clouds covering the mountain tops.

As I said above, I expected that the Creek would be running after all that rain. But it was still dry. So were all the creek beds on the drive home.

The Forest Roads were a little slick driving back. (I "drifted" twice.) 4x4 helped minimize that.
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This is a log entry for only the north half of Half Moon Trail. (Sobo from the 288/42 TH to the "Upright Vacuum Cleaner" campsite.)

Important things first:

1) If you do the trail southbound, it's Phoenix to Beeline to Rye exit. FR 414 to FR 442. (Otherwise, nobo starts at the Barnhardt TH.)

2) Three creek crossings on the roads. The creeks were all dry, even the day after a night of heavy rain from thunderstorms. But still, you'll want a high clearance vehicle to clear the large rocks. 4x4 not necessary. But nice when climbing out of the creek beds.

3) This trail is still an enigma in that the south third is well curated and well marked with cairns. And the north third is somewhat taken care of, with a few cairns. BUT the middle third is unmarked, un-maintained, and blocked by downed trees. It's easy to lose the trail nobo after the campsite.

4) The only water that I know of is the unnamed Spring south of the 288/42 sign. (See my previous triplog.) In the past, someone here on HAZ has left a Water Report that there is a Spring near Rock Creek near the Vacuum Cleaner campground. I intended to look for it this time. But I forgot. (Rats.)

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This was part 2 of 3 of a 3-day "excursion."

My main reason for making this excursion was to 1) find where I went wrong when I lost the trail a few months ago nobo and could have ended up dying as a result. 2) To look for water per the Water Report above. And 3) to see if I could find my lost bed roll, which I lost while crawling under a tree branch months ago when I was off trail.(Spoiler: I couldn't. For now.)

I drove to the parking area (just off 442 at the "Up arrow 42 TH" sign) and hiked from there along a jeep trail to the official 288/42 TH. (So you are walking west about a half mile to go east.)

The trail is still easy to see and follow. There are still some tall bushes encroaching on the trail in a few places. (I'm going to start bringing small Fiskers clippers with me.)

The trail slowly climbs a hill. (Half Moon, I think it's called.) In short order, you'll be on a ridge line of sorts. (A soft ridge, since it's a hill.)

Once on the ridge line, there are occasional cairns. But I don't think needed. Until the last one.

At the last one (GPS helps), the trail suddenly makes a 90 degree turn south. (Also, there is a large fire pit on the top of the hill, just before the last cairn.)

From there, the trail is followable. But no cairns or signs. I had an advantage because, having been to the campsite before on the other side of Rock Creek, I kinda knew where I wanted to be.

The trail kinda-sorts switches back and forth every few feet because you're going down a kinda steep slope. But then the trail stops.

More correctly, if I was really on the trail, it's blocked by tree fall. (See photo.) No wonder I couldn't find it going nobo the first time. (Although I think it's easier to stay on it going sobo.)

I broke off a few tree branches for you to make your way easier.

From there, I retraced my off-trail steps to try to find my bed roll.

I'll come back to that in a moment. But if TL;DR, from here there is a shortcut that you can take back to your vehicle.

You cross Rock Creek and will see the abandoned upright vacuum cleaner in the campsite area. Continue south a bit and you'll run into a jeep trail.

If you take the jeep trail eastbound, it will slowly descent back to FR 442. From there about an easy 3/4 mile walk back to where you parked.

Okay, back to my off-trail adventure.

I don't feel too bad about thinking that I had been on trail last time because there is still a trail north of Rock Creek that goes due west. Apparently horse use it. (Lots of horse poop along it.)

Now, last time, I had marked GPS breadcrumbs on my previous (no trail) GPS app. I was pleasantly surprised to find myself this time tracking those breadcrumbs perfectly as I followed my pseudo-trail.

With a lighter load on my back this time, it didn't take very long to return to where I had slipped and fallen a few months before. (The grade gets steeper and the ground more crumbly there.) I found the first tree that I had crawled under months before. And I stopped.

(There was another tree about 200 more feet away to the west with even lower branches that I had crawled under last time. I'm fairly sure that a branch snagged my roll (I remember struggling to free myself while crawling under that tree.). If I'm right, it's still there, with its strap hanging on a branch.)

By now it was about 2:30 pm and thunderstorms were moving in. I didn't want to 1) get caught there in a storm, or 2) get caught there inured at night. (I only had survival stuff with me for this.) So, armed with a satellite map app this time, I was able to scramble up to the Half Moon trail at a relatively do-able place that I had previously marked at home.

From there I tried to use some shortcuts from the top of Half Moon hill back to FR 442 that I had marked out at home. They looked easy on the satellite. But in real life, they were steep descents into Rock Creek, where it meets up with Alder Creek.

As it was starting to splatter rain, I went back to the last cairn that marked the descent to the vacuum cleaner campground, wound my way down the trail, passed by the tree that I had made more accessible, passed through the campsite onto a jeep road that descends down to FR 422.

I was at my Blazer by 4 pm. I noodled around for an hour. It's a nice campsite there. But after noticing bear scat (albeit "small") in the campsite, I decided to drive along 442 nobo to Collum Mine and camp there for the night. Glad that I did.
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This is a log entry for only the first mile of the North Peak Trail, starting at the Mineral Creek TH to the (non-existent?) Mineral Spring and its sister Spring.

Important things first:

1) From Phoenix: Beeline to Rye exit. FR 414 to FR 414A. (Take a GPS or you might miss the 414A turn off. (See photo.))

2) The second half of FR 414 (past FR 442) is very driveable - except where it's not. I was able to drive at 25 mph for most of it. But it still needs HC in a few places.

3) The TH and the trail itself show that while the trail gets some love, it doesn't get very much.

4) I could not find any of the three charted Springs. Nor has a gentleman who ATV'd up from the south.(A local (?) who hikes the trail frequently(?))

5) But I did see a very small pool of water to the side of the trail. (This was before a night of rain.) So if you were desperate ...

6) Two small deer jumped out in front of me and crossed the trail. So I presume there is good water somewhere.

7) I didn't see much bear scat on trail. None at the TH.

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This was part 1 of 3 of a 3-day "excursion." Initially, I had assigned a 5% probability that I would visit North Peak Trail, a.k.a Mineral Creek. But after I noticed a prominent sign at the start of FR 414, saying "Mineral Creek TH [only] 8 miles," I thought "Hmm... might be good since they're advertising it." In this sense, it's an enigma.

I had been on FR 414 to FR 442 a few times this year now and it was the same drive for that part. About 15 mph max, with a few very rugged creek crossings that need High Clearance. (4x4 helps at those crossings.)

But after the 442 turn off, 414 turns into a very nice road. I was able to travel at 25 mph most of the way. Except where I couldn't.

You don't need 4x4 for 414 itself. But I suggest that you need 4x4 for the "road" 414A to the Mineral Creek TH.

Despite the prominent sign at the start that advertised the Mineral Creek TH, there was no signage thereafter. Most surprisingly, no sign at the turn off for the TH! I almost missed it.

The TH itself is underwhelming. (See photo.) Just a small bulldozed oval with some signs telling you that you've "arrived." Nothing like other TH's I've been to (some more remote) that have the large sign boards with maps and warnings about bears/snakes. Not even the engraved wood signs posted in the ground that say things like "MDT 4.2 miles."

Overall, with the wind blowing the dry dust around, it reminded me of a lonely desert scene from a Clint Eastwood Western. All it needed was blowing tumbleweeds to be complete.

Since I've become obsessed lately with trying to find charted Springs, my only purpose in making this hike was to see if I could find any of the three charted springs that my various apps showed. (The HAZ map shows two. My other apps show a third.) Who knows? Perhaps I'll be coming back this way from the MDT someday and will need water.

So I didn't take my full backpack. Just 2 liters of water and my emergency pack inside my full Gregory pack. (I'll pay the weight penalty for comfort.)

It was about 3 pm when I started out. OAT was 98 F. Thankfully a little wind. And since I was headed west, the peaks of the mountains provided some shade after a while.

The first Spring is charted to be 500 feet in, along Mineral Creek. I couldn't find it. (I even went back the next morning to look.) Sometime around here, two deer jumped out from the trees ahead of me and bounded up the trail. So I suppose that they know where there's good water. (The Creek was dry.)

While the start of the trail was obvious at first (photo), it wasn't as obvious as it weaved in and out of the Creek. If there were cairns to show the way, I didn't see them.

Despite the lack of direction, I was able to stay on track.

The trail is mostly up. With not many switchbacks. So sometimes you're looking at a straight length of trail that seems to go straight up hill. Sigh.

I rounded a bend to the south, where Mineral Spring and another unnamed Spring were supposed to be.

I probably don't understand "Springs." I thought that they were naturally occurring things, sometimes enhanced by man (Bear Spring), sometimes not. (Windsor Spring.) And I'm probably spoiled by the Volunteers who sometimes install plastic boxes at Springs (Chilson) and who sometimes mark them with prominent signage. (Bear, Chilson, Thicket.)

Here I didn't see any signs. Although I saw a cairn in the middle of the trail near where Mineral Spring was supposed to be. Perhaps that was a sign that I was suppose to descend into the thicket to the Spring?

It could be that you access the Springs from further west along the trail. But this is as far as I went.

The next day a couple of guys drove to the TH on ATV's. I asked them if they had hiked this trail before. ("Yes.") And if they had found the Springs. ("No.")

I dunno - perhaps some of these chartings are historical. (Whereas I'm used to the FAA updating air data on a 56-day cycle.) The AZT Steward for the Mt Peeley Passage told me that they had "recovered" Thicket Spring. Which I take to mean that they had cut back the way to the Spring itself, since Thicket looked to be a totally naturally occurring Spring with no tubs, piping, etc.

Anyway, I hiked back to the TH with the intent of driving to stage for my next planned hike. But as it was after 5 pm, starting to get dark (those mountains to the west), I decided that I didn't want to drive on a FR at dusk. So I camped in the Blazer for the night instead of letting the wind blow dust into my tent all night.
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I did NOT hike the full Trail. I hiked from the Mt. Peeley TH to Thicket Springs and back. (Am not sure how best to title this using the triplog.)

Quick points:

1) FR 201 is drive-able, but I think it needs 4x4 in places.

2) Trail is well marked and well maintained.

3) I didn't see any bears. But I saw lots of bear scat. Some HUGE.

4) I didn't see any rattlesnakes. But I might have heard one at night.

5) There is clear water at Thicket Spring. (And bones.)

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I drove to the Mt. Peeley trailhead Saturday to view the Perseid Meteor shower.

FR 201 is fairly drive-able but in some parts it's very rough, very crumbly, and very steep. I was glad for 4x4.

Even tho it's reported to be a 9 mile drive and even tho I was seeing 10 to 15 mph on my speedometer most times, it took me an hour both ways. (I should have checked my odometer.)

A fair amount of traffic on Saturday.

Once at the well marked TH, it's a half mile to the Trail proper.

Once at the Trail proper, also well marked signs.

An easy 1.5 mile hike to Thicket Spring, mostly down hill.

Lots of bear scat on the way. Some of it was HUGE.

The breakout to the Spring is well marked. But when I arrived at the Spring area I almost missed it.

I saw a small seep to the south of the trail, which was hard to get to. Then I looked around. There is a HUGE cairn to the north, where the Spring proper is.

The water was very clear but I didn't gather any. There were bones there. And I heard something rustling in the brush. (The last time I heard something rustling in the brush, it was a bear.) So I didn't stay.

Continuing up the trail to the Spring - which I think is part of a Loop trail - is a campsite.

But no trees for shade. Or to hang your stuff. And there was bear scat at the campsite. And the Spring being the only water nearby, I figured that there would be lots of animals at night. So I opted to not camp there.

I returned to the start of the trail. There is a campsite just south of the AZ Trail sign. I made a fort of sorts and camped there.

Later that night, I walked down the trail to pee. As I approached a large bush, I heard a large cricket start to "chirp." But it was odd in that it was a 50% duty cycle chirp. Like, "chirp" for a few seconds, stop for few seconds, "chirp" for a few seconds.

It occurred to me that I might be hearing a rattle.

So I backed off and the "chirping" stopped.

Yikes.

I saw one good meteor. Bright, slow, low and left a smoke trail.

Then the clouds moved in at 1 am.
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Ever since my last failed backpacking trip, I've been obsessing about picking up where I left off to make things right. Maybe it's "getting back on the horse" (that threw you). And I wanted to test my two new toys, HAZ's own Route Scout and OnX Backcountry Map to see if they could keep me out of trouble. (The latter with High Resolution offline satellite maps.)

(BTW, Joe just told me that, even tho I could see "offline" satellite images on RS, those were simply cached images from when I previewed on the counch at home. They are not persistent, as they are in OnX.)

But first, the important points:

1) The Forest Roads to the Rock Creek TH are the best I've driven so far. 20 mph at times. Although there are two creek crossings with large river rock that require a high clearance vehicle. (See my photoset.) My friend did it in her Ford F-150 two wheel, but she needed momentum. The Blazer in 4x4 was uneventful.

2) When you arrive at the TH, you hike a Connector to the end of Half Moon Trail (288) and the beginning of Rock Creek (42.) About a half mile? (There's a sign post. See my previous photoset for photo.)

3) Up until the 3 mile point (plus or minus), the trail is well defined, easy to follow. Someone has been maintaining it up to this point because I saw that succulents and large stemmed bushes had been cut away.

4) The trail is steep in many places. Like, straight up climbs with no switchbacks. Doable going up, but dangerous coming down. (When the ground gives way.) I rank this trail as medium-difficult. This trail is probably my limit with 30 lbs on my back. (It might be impossible for me to make it to the waterfall with a full pack on.)

5) I think I heard a rattlesnake. Under a bush. Inches from the trail. And I saw a bear. And the bear saw me.

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The forecast for Rye for Thursday/Friday was for highs in the mid-80's. (Although in retrospect, while it was 82 in the shade, it was 90+ in the sun.) So I took advantage of a break in the temperatures to hike the Rock Creek Trail. My intent was to hike to the water fall and return.

I never made it that far.

Water was crossing the Forest Road on the drive to the TH. And although Center Creek was not flowing, there were still pools further to the west. (See photos.) So I thought that there might be water at the waterfall.

The trail is easy to follow. Sometimes cairns. As I said above, it's clear that someone has been maintaining this part of the trail.

It climbs rapidly and soon you can look over your shoulder and see the Forest Road that you drove to go to the TH. (Photos.)

At 5200 feet, I was moving fast, striding out well. During a stride I planted my left trekking pole on the side of the trail, when suddenly something hissed. LOUDLY. (I assume that it wasn't Route Scout punking me, with its animal noises every hour.)

I don't know what scared me more - the sound itself or the loudness of the sound in an otherwise silent world. As someone in the forum has already said, I was rather amazed that this Old Man could stop in mid-step, push off his left trekking pole and jump back a few feet.

I'm assuming it was a rattlesnake. Although I never saw it, and I didn't hear a rattle. I was expecting to see movement under the bush. But I didn't see anything moving. It didn't make any more noise. (In the videos, it seems that they keep rattling as long as you're in the vicinity.)

There was a convenient detour about 3 feet to my right. So I took it.

Whew! That was a shock. Had I not had a trekking pole probing ahead, I might have been bitten. (The bush was immediately next to the trail.)

(I wonder if horses spook when this happens?)

I continued on, waiting for my heart rate to return to normal. (While I don't believe that I can have acclimated to the higher altitudes, I'm pleased to report that I was rarely out of breath during this trip.)

While hiking, I found a new trick. I had bought a pack of Lil' Landjaeger's (think Slim Jims?) from Costco for backpacking. I sucked on one like a little stogie. Like a pacifier, it had the effect of keeping my mouth closed. So I was doing all my breathing (in and out) through my nose, instead of my mouth, where, apparently, I lose a lot of moisture. This had the surprising effect of keeping me from feeling thirsty. Being a little salty was a plus.

But my trick might also have acted a beacon, calling other animals.

At noon, I was sleepy. I had been up since 3 am for this trip. So I laid out my Space Blanket and took a one hour nap under a "tree." (I don't know if I would have done this after what happened later.)

Up until this time, the trail had been easy to follow. But now I was looking at a wall of rock to the falls. (See my screenshots from Route Scout to see my position.)

I think I saw where the trail continued for the next ten feet. But after that, it wasn't obvious to me where the trail was in those rocks. And RS said one thing, while OnX map said another. No more cairns. (That I could see.)

And, according to either app, I was looking at a 600 foot climb in a half mile.
Having been burned by going off trail last time, I decided not to chance it this time. I turned around.

(Later I thought of a third good reason for turning around too. Up until this point in the hike, there had been shady spots to rest. But the brush/trees stopped after this and I would be in the (hot) sun for this 600 foot climb.)

So I stuck another stogie in my mouth and headed back "home."

While moving along the trail, I heard something rustling in the bushes to my left.

I stopped to see what it was.

"A cow? What would a cow be doing up here at this elevation?"

"Maybe a horse?" Although I hadn't seen any horse droppings since Center Creek.

The brush wasn't very high - maybe 4 feet max. And so if a horse, surely I would have seen it.

Then it stuck its head up.

A bear!

25 feet away!

I said, somewhat loudly, "YIKES! BEAR!" (I wonder if I should have blown my whistle?) And I prayed. (After all, they're God's creatures.)

I was surprised - and terrified - that the bear didn't turn and flee.

It just looked at me.

I probably did everything wrong after this.

While there was a lot of brush between the bear and me - although I bet that wouldn't stop a highly motivated bear - I though I had better pull my gun out of my pocket in case it charged me.

Well, I should have practiced trying to get to my gun while backpacking.

To pull my gun out, I had to 1) unhook my trekking pole from my right arm, 2) peel off my sun glove, 3) fight to pull my soft zippered gun pouch out of my pocket. (My backpack's hip belt was blocking me.) 4) Unzip my gun pouch and 5) Grab my gun - with only one hand. (Whereas I practice shooting in modified Weaver.)

All this took about an hour. (It seemed.) And so I didn't raise my arms during this time to make me look bigger.

I wasn't looking at the bear much of this time as I was focused on trying to pull my gun.

Once I had my gun in hand, the bear was still there looking at me. It hadn't moved. I was shaking. (I kept wondering if I should keep my finger off the trigger, as taught around humans?)

I thought bears ran away? The cattle from the H Bar Ranch ran from me when I had to hike from here to Rye a couple weeks ago. And they're domesticated.

Well, I know you're not supposed to run away from a bear. But I wanted to move away. As it was downhill, I couldn't walk backward. And since it was downhill, I was going to need at least one trekking pole.

So I turned my side to the bear and continued walking down the trail.

I didn't hear any more rustling. But I kept looking over my shoulder every few seconds. Once the bear was on trail, it could come at me fast.

Well, fortunately, it didn't appear to follow me. After a half hour, I stared to relax.

Now I'm wondering if my Slim Jim trick was such a good idea? I've heard that bears can smell food from 20 miles away. These things have a pleasant smoked sausage smell. (Not to mention the beef jerky hanging from a pouch on my side, that even I can smell from feet away.) Maybe I had been sending out a beacon on my way up the trail while sucking on that stogie for hours? Maybe eat only Granola bars while on trail?

That's pretty much the end of my trip report. I arrived back at the trailhead parking area, set up my tent, lit a campfire (Sorrry. I forgot to take the obligatory photo), had dinner, and went to sleep.

Before leaving the next day, I wanted to revisit the Spring that I had so desperately tried to find a few weeks before.

So I hiked the Connector to the 288/42 sign post. From there I jumped onto the end of 288. There's a fork in the trail there at the end. The fork goes to the Spring.

But since the last time I was here, someone has moved dead trees in the way of the trail to the Spring, as if to say "Don't go this way." (Maybe so that hikers won't be confused about which way 288 goes?)

Anyway, the OnX Hi-Res satellite showed a clear trail to the Spring. And about two minutes later, I found it again.

This time it was a lot clearer and pulling water from it would have been no problem. (Except lots of bees buzzing over the water. So wear your mosquito net.)
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