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I made a jaunt out to the north rim with the idea to do some route finding to and from the Esplanade, which ended up not happening because for once, I wasn't in the mood. Maybe car camping funk? Shame, because the weather was perfect.

I arrived around noon so took a hike down Bill Hall, then just wandered around on the Esplanade. Found some huge water caches (maybe you're a big group, but 6 gallons, 2 miles from the rim??). I spotted one pothole remaining from last week's storms and it was teeming with little worms, larvae, and shrimp. Yum. Then I just generally enjoyed scrambling around on the slickrock.

It seemed crowded for the north rim - best camp spots taken, lots of cars at the trailhead - but then I remembered it was Memorial Day weekend. I had one night with friendly neighbors who have been visiting the canyon since the 70's.

In the morning I still lacked motivation to bushwack/ road walk to my takeoff points, but I found some cairns right below the rim near my camp spot and descended a couple hundred feet. I think they were set by the haphazard tourist because the Coconino does not look broken below. The Kaibab/ Toroweap are fairly broken, but with nasty footing, through here. Still, I found a potsherd on my ascent a little further west. Maybe I will revisit this area from the Esplanade someday so I can actually aim for the Coco break.

I spent a few hours reading and gazing from my folding chair out at Crazy Jug Point. This really is a fantastic viewpoint: Tapeats Amphitheater below, Bridgers Knoll to the west, Great Thumb across the canyon, and the Muav Gorge winding off into the distance. A condor flew right overhead, too! Happy to see at least one of the Tapeats-area group is still intact with avian influenza going through the population. And I met a couple who confirmed the Navajo Bridge pair were still there a few days earlier.

Google Maps tried to screw me and it's a good thing I looked up the good forest service roads beforehand. My Camry can reach Bill Hall TH - barely - but I bottomed out when I got turned around on my way back to FS 21.
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I had been angling for a permit to hike the Royal Arch route, but with the access issues, I decided to put in for a return trip to Thunder River and Deer Creek. We did this loop with a few of our younger kids several years ago, but this time, I added two more days to the schedule, for a more relaxed pace, and an opportunity to hike the off-trail route to Tapeats Spring.

I invited my oldest daughter--now a mom of three herself, to join me for a father-daughter adventure. She has often complained that she missed out on the really cool family hikes we've done because she left home before the younger kids were old enough for us to take on many ambitious adventures. So, it was something of a "make-up" trip. I also invited a good friend and GC hiking companion, whose youngest daughter also joined. Then, somewhat last minute, my wife came down with a case of FOMO and decided she wanted in after all. Luckily, getting an extra spot on the permit was as easy as a call to the BCO (which also adjusted our itinerary to get us what I considered the ideal camping spots :y: ).

Day 0--Drive to the TH and Camp on the Rim: Four of us drove up to Jacob Lake, where we rendezvoused with my daughter, who drove down from Utah. We parked her car at the Kaiabab Lodge (with the owner's permission) and headed off towards the Bill Hall TH.

The temperatures had been relatively warm and many of the aspens were still looking green and leafy. On our return a week later, not so much ...

The drive out to Crazy Jug Point was uneventful, and the roads were in good condition. At the four-way intersection just before Crazy Jug Point, we turned right to find the sweet camp spot right on the edge of the rim. Unfortunately, it was already taken, so we continued on towards the TH, where there are two other nice pull outs for camping (but with the views of the canyon more obstructed by trees). We set up camp in one of these, then drove back to Crazy Jug Point and hiked down a bit to enjoy a beautiful sunset. Once there, we wished we had set up camp at the nice camping spot next to the parking area for CJ Point. Oh well.

We enjoyed a cool night, but with a blazing campfire for company!

Day 1 Bill Hall TH to Upper Tapeats: Woke early and drove the 1/2 mile or so to the TH. Several cars in the parking area. Off we went, starting with the counterintuitive uphill climb to the drop in spot at Monument Point. The initial descent was as steep and rocky as I remember. With a little more familiarity with the landscape, I looked down on the Tapeats Amphitheater, eyeing what would be the off-trail destination for Day 2--Tapeats Spring.

Rounding the corner below Monument Point offers the equivalent of the South Kaibab "Ooh Ah" Point, where the Esplanade comes into view, along with miles and miles of zig-zagging Canyon, heading off towards Havasupai and beyond, with Mt. Trumbull providing some contour to the north rim landscape.

The "tricky" downclimb at about 1.5 miles was fine, generally requiring handing down packs. That was followed by another steep drop via dozens of short switchbacks, which we dubbed "squiggle-backs," until reaching the junction with the Thunder River trail at the edge of the Esplanade.

As we crossed the Esplanade, we cached water for our night 5 camp and continued on. the Esplanade is a very cool, Sedona-like area, and I was excited to return and enjoy the Esplanade a little more fully than can be taken in during a crossing on the way to somewhere else.

At the south edge of the Esplanade, we stopped for lunch and looked down on the most desolate area of the trip--Surprise Valley. We wondered where the name came from and speculated that, with all of the amazing surrounding territory, the desolation of the valley was "surprising." Turns out that the name was actually tied to John Wesley Powell's second expedition, when the crew's photographer, E. O. Beaman, "accidentally" stumbled upon the Deer Creek valley. Per some authorities, and for unknown reasons, the U. S. Geological Survey moved the map location around 1960 to its current inaccurate location between Deer Creek and Thunder River. http://www.allhikers.com/Other/Grand-Ca ... ames.htm#S.

Anywhoo, we descended the rocky route down into the Valley and hung a left at the trail junction. At this point, I began thinking of the NAU student, Bryce Gillies, who died near here in July 2009 after erroneously following the route down the Bonita Creek drainage and getting cliffed out, instead of continuing over to the Thunder River drainage. I remember reading about this tragedy and wondering how he could have made that mistake. But after hiking it this time, I can definitely see why--first, the trail across Surprise Valley to Thunder River requires going both UPHILL and AWAY from the Colorado River--both of which would seem very counterintuitive, if one didn't know better.

Luckily, we knew better and headed away and uphill, eventually coming into earshot and then seeing Thunder River pouring out of the side of the canyon wall like a giant faucet, several hundred feet below. It is truly an amazing sight.

We hung out at the falls/spring for awhile and then finished our descent into the Upper Tapeats campground, securing the large camping spot. Surprisingly, we had no company in the campground and only passed one other set of hikers the entire day. We would stay here for two nights.

No marauding mice, but I did make the mistake of putting a fresh apple at the bottom of my ratsack, and a ringtail spent a good chunk of time overnight nibbling tiny very tiny bites out of it through the small metal mesh. :-/

Day 2--Rest Day OR Tapeats Spring: On day 2, my buddy and I had our eyes on making our way up to Tapeats Spring. Our two daughters were up for some exploration up Tapeats Creek, but turned around after about a mile up canyon. My wife was content to take the day off and relax and read around camp. After turning up the Tapeats drainage at about 1.5 miles from camp, the going gets rough--and sketchy (which is saying something on this hike, where the trail portions can get pretty sketchy).

After a lot of hard work and a lot more up and down than I was anticipating (crossing boulder slides and side drainages), we made it to the spring. Very cool area, where once again the creek literally emerges from the rock. It's not as spectacular an exit as Thunder Spring, but still worth a visit.

It took us about 4 hours to cover the 3.2 miles from camp. The return trip was not as long or strenuous, but honestly, going down was more nerve-wracking than going up. Thankfully, we navigated it all well and arrived back at camp by late afternoon.

Another pleasant night on in the campground.

Day 3--Upper Tapeats to 135 mi. Rapid: Day three was a short jaunt down to a camp on the River at 135 mile rapids. We played in the creek and hung out at the confluence of Tapeats Creek and the Colorado, watching rafters and kayakers run the rapids. Several NPS rafts were tied up at the confluence, and a team had headed up creek to scope out a replacement for the bathroom facilities at Upper Tapeats. The remaining crew were relaxing at the river. I chatted with them and they graciously filled our water bladders for our dry camp that night (the River was silty).

As planned, we camped at 135 mile rapid. It was more rocky than last time and we wished we had set up camp at a nice, but small beach a little further up river.

Day 4--River to Deer Creek: I got up early on Day 4 and wandered down towards Granite Narrows to watch the sun rise. It was a beautiful morning. After breakfast, we packed up and headed over to Deer Creek. There is some solid uphill climbing to get to the saddle before descending back to the Deer Creek drainage.

Given the short distance, we arrived fairly early and headed up to snag the large campsite on Deer Creek. After setting up camp and eating lunch, we headed back downstream to the Patio, Narrows, and Deer Creek Falls. All were a major highlight of the trip, though the Patio was swarming with rafters on our way down--probably about 25-30 people lounging in the area.

When we got to the falls, there were about 15 rafts or dories tied up. Luckily, while the rafters were at the Patio, we enjoyed the falls in relative solitude. Then, when we headed back to camp, the rafters had all retreated and we had the patio to ourselves in the late afternoon.

That night, after we hit the hay, it started raining--and it continued raining all night long, literally 6-7 hours non-stop. Thankfully, the storm tuckered out by the time we got up in the morning, and we didn't have to hike in the rain or set up/take down camp in the rain. We did note by looking across the canyon at the south rim that there was snow at the higher elevations.

Day 5--Deer Creek to Esplanade: We shared the Deer Creek camping area with two other groups. In the morning, we packed up and headed out for our biggest climbing day--first up to Surprise Valley and then up to the Esplanade. Along the way, we stopped at the now-dry Deer Spring, and hung out and relaxed in the "Throne Room," which has around a dozen or so "thrones."

We arrived at our camping spot on the Esplanade by mid-late afternoon. It was chilly, with a stiff breeze whipping up the wind-chill factor. We adjusted our camping location to take advantage of some natural wind breaks. The wind mostly died down around sunset, which was spectacular, with the clouds providing an amazing backdrop, and the water-filled potholes on the Esplanade reflecting all of the light.

Before bed, the breeze kicked in a bit and wafted down some brief snow flakes (but nothing that stuck). We went to bed at 7 and stayed in the tents for a good 12 hours. :-) My daughter (and mom to 3 boys--5, 3, and 2) said she got more sleep on our backpacking trip than she's had in years!

Day 6--Esplanade Out: Our last day was a relatively short (but steep) hike out to the TH. We passed a couple of groups and asked about road conditions. Apparently, the rain from the prior night dropped 4-5 inches of snow on the rim, but all reports were that he roads were okay. Once at the TH, we found snow on the car and icicles hanging from the bumper. The drive out was fine, but there were more ruts and an occasional slight fishtail here and there.

Once back on the main road to Jacob Lake, we found the aspens to have quickly shed their leaves and winter had set in. We had hoped to catch a shower at the Kaibab Camper Village, only to find that they had closed for the season one week earlier. :-( We stopped at Jacob Lake for a hot meal, and then headed to public showers near the Marble Canyon Lodge. I give them a one-star rating--one was too hot; another too cold; and a couple that just ate quarters without any shower at all. Despite that, we managed to get relatively clean and had an uneventful return to civilization--and an inbox with about 700 emails in it. Welcome back to reality!
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Bill Hall Trail - Thunder River, AZ 
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Spent 4th of July weekend on the North Rim Grand Canyon car camping at elevation was very nice. Not having an overnight permit we opted for day hike down to Thunder River. Started somewhat early from Bill Hall Trailhead and empty parking lot.

Down the initial descent and onto the Esplanade went relatively quickly. Easy hiking across the flats to the top of Surprise Valley. We took a break overlooking the valley about 930 and reminder that it’s hot in July. After the break dropped down the switchbacks to Surprise Valley and hiked across to the access for Thunder River. First look at Thunder River from above is impressive with the lush green patch of trees against the stark canyon backdrop. Next we descended the switchbacks down to Thunder River and the oasis in the canyon.

Reaching Thunder River we had the whole place to ourselves. Probably July had something to do with that but I thought maybe we would see some people. We spent about 3 hours enjoying the falls and the constant cool mist that must have cut the temps by 25 degrees. Very tough to leave this place but eventually we had to return and face the heat.

The initial switchbacks up were very hot but after that it was tolerable. By the time we reached the Esplanade it was much nicer so we took another good break under some rock overhangs. Finishing up the Esplanade we just had the final climb out to the rim. That’s always the toughest part and took it slow with a few short breaks. Arrived on the rim as it was getting dark to find a group preparing for hike in next morning. Fortunately our car camp spot was all setup and relatively close to the trailhead so easy night at camp after a great hike!
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Most magical hike of the GC so far! This is the GC spectacular. Seriously, this hike has it all. All the indescribable views, all the adventure, all the giant waterfalls, narrows, springs, wide open esplanade, ALL the fantastic ups, everything wonderful and nothing terrible.

DAY 1: Bill Hall TH to Deer Creek Camp AX7 (~8 hours, 8.7 miles, 634 ft aeg)
We camped up near the Bill Hall TH Saturday evening and started hiking around 7:30 am Sunday. Got all warmed up hiking the little bit of up to Monument Point before heading down down down...and then some more down. The views the entire hike down this section through the Kaibab, Toroweap, and Coconino Sandstone Formations are majestic. There are a couple of areas we had to sit & scooch or drop a bag down but nothing of any difficulty. It is pretty slow moving over the first couple of miles though. We reached the Thunder River Trail connection around 9:30 am and a couple of people in our group stashed water for the hike back out. From this point, the hike down is less steep and fairly smooth moving across the Esplanade. The Esplanade is an alien world and I love everything about it. Some of the people in our group were starting to get pretty warm hiking across the Esplanade; the rest of us were just in awe of the wild rock sculptures. We stashed water in the rock pockets just above the Redwall decent, chatted with a Park Ranger and showed him our permit, and headed down around 11:30 am. We were all feeling the heat now. The hike down the Supai and Redwall Formations to Surprise Valley is really hot mid-day, even in the cool Spring months. And it's A LOT, even going down. But the views are fantastic and that helps to ease the physical part. The fork in the trail (right to Deer Creek, left to Thunder River and Tapeats Creek) is marked by a couple of tall sticks haha. No formal sign or anything so keep an eye out. At the intersection, we headed west on the Deer Creek Trail. This is where it began to feel like the trail would never end & the sun/heat was sucking the energy out of me. I got a boost of energy as we started to descend toward Deer Creek buuuuut slowly realized there was still a long way to go. There's a sketchy turn in the descent and a sketchy crossing of scree but the narrow turn is super short and the scree is stable. AND this is right around the point where Deer Spring is visible. Finally FINALLY beautiful cold water! We played in the spring for a while, climbed up behind the waterfall, got refreshed and cooled down. There were rafters at the spring who had hiked up from the river and they looked much less rough than we did. We left the spring and just a few hundred feet down reached Deer Creek. A few from our group were hanging out under the big beautiful Cottonwood tree just as the trail meets Deer Creek. We all trudged the final half mile to the campground in a daze. Everything looked like a paradise after the hot long miles we had just come from. We got to Deer Creek camp (AX7) around 3:30 pm and found our perfect shady spots to set up camp.

DAY 2: Deer Creek Camp to Deer Creek Falls and Back (~2 hours hiking time, 1.5 miles, 500 ft aeg)
After a peaceful and beautiful night's sleep in the canyon, we woke up Monday and packed day packs to head down to Deer Creek Falls and the Colorado River. Whatever we were feeling from the day before, the Deer Creek Narrows awakened something special in every one of us. This is a sacred place. I felt like I was moving through a place where words lost meaning and people were instantly calmed and quiet. The narrows feel enormous but there are a handful of tight squeezes as you move closer to the river. A small daypack was fine but I would not want to carry a backpacking pack through the tight parts. There were groups of rafters moving through the Narrows as we headed down and everyone was kind and friendly. At the end of the Narrows you walk out of the canyon and get a spectacular view of the Colorado River...and 50 rafts on either side. Woah. It's a strange feeling to go from quiet & solitude to a bustling city of rafting trips. After a few switchbacks and a steep drop down along the trail...the great ginormous Deer Creek Falls in all its glory. We hung out at the falls (most of our group jumped in!) for about an hour before the people thinned out & the rafts left & we had the place to ourselves. What a treat! The GC is amazing. There are entire perfect worlds tucked away in her canyons. Deer Creek Falls and the Narrows are definitely one of the most magical canyon worlds. We hiked back up to camp & got ready for our early start the next day. Oh and hikers who came in late saw the pink rattler up near the toilet! We tried to find them but weren't as lucky.

DAY 3: Deer Creek Camp AX7 to Upper Tapeats Camp AW7 (~6 hours, 5.5 miles, 1,400 ft aeg)
Got up early to beat the heat & started hiking around 4:30 am. About a half mile in the trail splits & we stayed left to take the high route. We hiked a few miles of the river trail in darkness but it was straightforward to navigate. As soon as the sky started to fill with light the views of the Colorado River were unbelievable. We came to the "climb" at the mouth of Bonita Creek around 7 am and it is not bad at all coming from the Deer Creek side. Most of our group scrambled up with no problem. I passed my bag up & someone threw a handline down to me but I didn't need it. Honestly, it looked like a totally different story looking down from the top so I'm happy we got to climb up instead of down. We got to Tapeats Creek, took a break, and headed up and up and up and up. It felt like the up was never-ending. The trail along Tapeats Creek definitely had the most sketchy sections of trail (narrow trail with steep drops) and there were many of these sections. Those actually didn't bother me even though I'm afraid of heights but they bothered others in our group who are good climbers so go figure. The hike up Tapeats Creek has the most insanely incredible views of the entire trip the ENTIRE hike up! Maybe I was too obsessed with the views to notice how sketchy the trail was. We got to Upper Tapeats campsite (AW7) around 10:30 am and basically plopped down in the creek & sat there forever to cool down. There is not much shade during the day at the Upper Tapeats camp but luckily the water is right there & is nice & cold. We explored the little moss-covered waterfalls upstream and explored the rock ledges above our camp where my friend found a sleepy rattlesnake. One person in our group had bad blisters and another was feeling very anxious about the heat so we decided to only stay one night out of our planned two nights at Upper Tapeats. It was for the best since a group the same size as ours came to camp and wanted to stay at the site we were already set up at. We decided to hike to Thunder Spring in the morning and hang out there all day until evening when the sun would be blocked.

DAY 4: Upper Tapeats Camp AW7 to the Esplanade (~4.5 hours, 3.4 miles, 3,160 ft aeg)
Got started around 10:30 am and hiked one hour (0.7 miles and around 1000 ft elevation gain) to reach Thunder Spring. And that's where we stayed until 5 pm. :sweat: Thunder River Falls is like a magical fairyland if fairies were into death metal. There are beautiful moss-covered pockets and crystal clear water and it is LOUD. It was a fun relaxing place to spend the day. We all made some food & filled up with cold water and headed on up to Surprise Valley with the sun blocked the whole way up. Surprise Valley was lovely in this light and seemed more lovely and interesting on this side compared with the Deer Creek side. We powered up the Redwall (which surprisingly felt much better going up vs going down - probably because of the lack of direct sun) and made it to the top and to the Esplanade just as it got dark (around 7:10 pm). The rest of our group got to the top and we found our water cache in the rock pockets where we had left it. At that point, it was 8:30 pm & dark dark. Hiking the Esplanade in the dark was too difficult so we decided to sleep on the rocks (not disturbing the cryptobiotic soil) and hike out in the morning. It was a crazy windy night but we were happy to have one big "up" behind us and a great view of the stars above.

DAY 5: Esplanade to Bill Hall TH (~4 hours, 4.6 miles, 2,025 ft aeg)
Morning Esplanade! I sure love this place. Started hiking at 7 am and reached the Thunder River Trail connection and the second stash of water an hour & 20 minutes later. Now for the real fun part. Those final 2.25 miles were a struggle and a half. But I just kept up my little train that could - slow & steady choo choo. We saw a number of groups heading down as we went up. It's funny, everyone wants to chat heading down but the feeling is not mutual going up. We took a break in the cave and kept going for the final push to the top. Made it to Monument Point at 10:30 am and what a relief! It did not feel like 3 1/2 hours...more like 10. Epic epic everything.

Seriously, I want to live here. Or visit all the time. It's all hard. And usually hot. And pretty darn real. And I think people probably come out changed. These places will be a part of me forever. They are that special and I'm grateful to get to visit.
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Drove up on Saturday and camped near the drop in for Crazy jug.

Sunday:Descended Crazy Jug. Fun canyon. We had some debate on trying to bypass a couple of pools in the narrows as none of us brought wetsuits. We decided to go for it. With some teamwork we didn't get too wet.
Fun canyon. We explored up Timp canyon a waze till we got to a big pretty waterfall. Camped at the muav ledges near the junction with Saddle Canyon.

Monday: Steamboat mountain. We had a bit of beta and it didn't sound too challenging so we didn't bring the harnesses but we did bring an 80 foot rope for a handline. We headed up Saddle a couple miles. The Muav narrows were amazing and we could not avoid getting wet. We eventually left saddle and climbed steeply up through the Supai. A couple challenges there but nothing too bad. The Coconino was mostly a steep walkup with a short scramble near the top. The next challenge was the cruz - the Toroweap. We had info from Harvey logs where there is an easy way though around the mountin - but we didn't want to go that far - so our plan was to figure out the chimney route. We knew it went but that's about it. WE tried a couple spots and finally decided on a spot to climb. It took a few of us to do the climb as it was pretty sketchy and loose. Felt like 5th class to me. We set a handline for the upper part. After the climb we decided to find another way down. We had one more climb in the Kaibab. It was a loose chimney. After that we found the summit and had a nice break.
On the way down we found a different way through the Toroweap. It was better but still fairly sketchy. Kinda wished I had a harness as I would have preferred to rap instead of handline.

Tuesday: Down Saddle to Tapeats. Hiked up Tapeats a waze without packs. Camped down Tapeats past the junction. The water was high and we did some team swiftwater crossings to stay safe

Wed: Out via Bill hall
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GPS says 69.6 miles and just short of 61,832 feet of gain. Such is what happens when you walk through narrow canyons for five days! John knocked it down to 52 miles and 6,000 feet, which is probably under-doing it a little bit. Regardless of the actual stats, the totals were a lot. And most of the miles and feet were hard. Really, really hard. No pain no gain. What an amazingly beautiful trip!

Tuesday
Drove to the north rim. It had rained and snowed overnight leaving some nice winter scenes at the highest elevations and dust-free driving on the dirt roads. We camped at Sowats on a chilly night that dropped into the upper 20s, and the road there was a deeply rutted, freshly muddy 4wd adventure mess. The kind of drive that a truck loves. It took me 25 minutes in the high-pressure self-wash after the trip to get all the mud cleaned off. :y:

Wednesday - 9.45 miles, -4778ft, 847aeg, 5:37
Left my truck at Sowats and piled in Karl's truck and drove over to Monument Point. The mud was noticeably better after just an extra night of drying out. Even midweek at this time of year, we were surprised to find only 3 cars at Bill Hall. We got started with the climb up to Monument and the familiar descent down to the esplanade where numerous pools of water remained after a day of rain. After a chilly start, it warmed up and by the time we dropped through the redwall break down into Surprise Valley, it became a bit warmer than my preference. I was ready for last push down into the Deer Creek drainage to be over. I took the time to stop at the throne room again. There are more thrones than the last time I was there. There was no water flowing from the spring, but it's not called the Deer Creek Spring Room, it's called the Throne Room ... thus still a worthy stop, and only a few steps off the route.

Deer Creek has flooded hard recently and there's a lot of damage. Water made its way through the camp area though it's still in mostly fine shape. BUT for a zone with "two" camp sites, NPS should really get out there and clean up some of the post-flood growth and deadfall debris. There is really only one site now, though it's certainly big enough to handle two groups. You just get to be social with anybody else who has a permit on the same night.

We headed down to the patio for a sunset happy hour bevvy before heading back up to camp for dinner and relaxation time before bed.

Thursday - ~11.4 mi, -558ft, ~1000aeg, 10:04
This was our unknown day. We had no gps route and only a couple of online reports of people having done it before. It started easy enough with the beautiful push through the Deer Creek Narrows and the drop down to the river (with great new steps constructed since last I was here - rafter permit $$$ being spent well!) along with a stop at the always spectacular falls. From here it was supposed to be about 9 miles of winging it along the Colorado. In a perfect world we could hitch a ride from boaters. But with a group of 5 that was highly unlikely. And we didn't see any boaters until we were more than halfway there anyway!

I will say this quite definitively. We would not have been able to complete this day if not for the shade that the lower angle of the sun provided along the river. I would say that anytime before October 15 or after March 1 (3 weeks before/after the equinoxes) will result in too high of a sun angle and not enough shade to do this stretch in one day. Remember ... it SNOWED on the rim the day before we started. It was not hot. River-level daytime highs were in the 70s. But while there were occasional stretches with signs of previous travel, this stretch should be considered to be 9 miles of off-trail boulder-hopping. While always "right there", the river is not always accessible. At one point we stopped near a beach to filter some water, but found it to be very difficult to get down to the water level without risking the inability to get back up! When hiking in the sun, it was physically draining. Stretches of canyon shade were critical relief.

There's one main stretch where the only route climbs about 300 feet above the river to traverse a cliff band. This is by far the easiest part of the day! The rest is an absolutely exhausting clusterF. It's also stunningly beautiful, wild, remote, and simultaneously enjoyable. We averaged 1mph on the day. There were parts where were able to move at a somewhat more normal backpacking pace, but that means that there were also really rough parts were it was taking us 2 hours to go a single mile.

As the day progressed we realized that daylight might not be a thing when we got to Kanab Creek. It was nice to mentally prepare for that a few hours out, so when we had to light up our headlamps in the last 15 minutes or so it wasn't as defeating as it could be. We set up camp in the dark on the beach adjacent to Kanab Rapid, cooked up dinner and all went to bed relatively early.

Friday - ~10.2 miles, 691ft, ~900aeg, 7:57
After a rough day along the Colorado, it was a relief to begin heading up Kanab. The water was a little bit turbid after the rain a few days earlier, but became clearer as we headed upstream, and was always fine for filtering. The lower stretch of Kanab was a pleasant creek walk. There was a little bit of mud and lots of shallow water crossings. But as the miles went on, it was still a little slow going. When we reached the side canyon for Whispering Falls, we dropped our packs and headed up. Here we encountered the only other people on our hike other than at the Deer Creek Camp. A group of four that was camped farther up Kanab had day hiked down to see the falls and we were all there at the same time. Whispering is a really special spot and worthy of the little side trip.

After the falls, we headed upstream with the goal of reaching Showerbath for camp. The canyon got rougher as we went along. Deeper pools, larger boulders, slower travel in general. After yesterday's suckfest along the river, we were all a bit exhausted. We were in unknown territory yesterday and today, but Karl and 9L had both been to the upper part of Kanab previously and assured us that travel would improve tomorrow. As I did math based on travel speed, miles to go, daylight, etc. I started to suggest that perhaps we consider an option for camp near Scotty's Hollow, more than a mile less than our plan. I didn't hear any arguments, and I think we were all happy to find a great shelf to camp at less than an hour before sunset that would prevent a second consecutive day of arriving at camp in the dark.

Saturday ~13.8mi, 1050ft, ~1650aeg, 8:23
We started the day by taking the side trip up Scotty's Hollow. There's a picturesque little waterfall near the beginning and the route up above it goes through a cool little rabbit hole. We proceeded about a mile up canyon, a narrow, winding canyon with a pleasant creek flowing through it. Next time, I'll plan an extra day to spend in this part of Kanab as there is much to explore and we simply didn't have the time to give it the attention it deserved.

Back to Kanab proper, we began our upstream progress and realized how happy we were to stop where we did last night. This first mile or so between Scotty's and Showerbath is a pretty slow section with huge boulders and some water obstacles. We took a break at Showerbath, filtered water and took a few photos.

As promised, from this point up, the canyon was easier to hike through (and quicker). The water dried up in about 2 miles and we finally started to dry our feet out for the first time in two days. We stopped at the Jumpup Kanab junction before heading up into the Jumpup narrows. A couple of miles up the narrows we took a break at Indian Hollow and another short side trip into this scenic side canyon before heading upstream again.

A couple more miles and the narrows open, and the views open and reminded us all that we were in Grand Canyon. Another mile or so and we reached our planned night 4 camp where we set up along a trickling creek for a relaxing evening.

Sunday 6.7mi, 2451ft, ~3000aeg, 3:59
Easy like Sunday Morning! A couple miles of creek hiking through golden autumn cottonwoods in Sowats Canyon led us to where the Jumpup Nail trail crosses and we were happy to be back on a developed trail. Along the way I ignored Mountain Sheep spring. It had nice water flowing. I wasn't interested and kept going! A short climb out of Sowats landed us back on the esplanade, where we enjoyed a couple of the most pleasant miles of walking since the last time we were on the esplanade 4 days earlier!

Once we topped off our water at Kwagunt, it's about 2 miles and 2000 feet to reach the trailhead back at Sowats point. Of course, we missed the wilderness boundary and had to do a quick backtrack for the obligatory wilderness sign photo. Back at the truck, we found a couple of gifts from friends we knew would be in the area.

We shuttled back to Bill Hall where there were now a dozen vehicles. A few days of drying had the Sowats road in pristine condition. It's impressive how such a mess could recover so quickly. It's a mandatory 4wd road when wet, but a careful driver could have gotten out there in a sedan when dry.

Stopped at Jacob's Lake and ran into Wendy and friends and chatted for a bit. Always fun to find other Hazzers out an about on hiking adventures!

Recap
A truly phenomenal trip through some amazing, beautiful, wild, and remote country. Very difficult hiking and easy to underestimate. Weather/heat/sun is critical especially during the river portion and could easily overwhelm even experienced desert hikers. Obviously Kanab and Jumpup are subject to flooding and that's always a factor when planning a trip here. I could have easily done this as a 6 night trip instead of 4. This is a trip that will be fodder for stories I tell the grandkids one day. :sweat:
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Fall colors popping on the rim. Did loop clockwise. Lots of pools on Espande. Attempted hike up Tapeats to cave, but ran out of time (overgrown/slow going), probably need the better part of a day. Thunder River Trail, Deer Creek Trail and parts of Tapeats Creek have washouts and need some repair. Took full lower route from lower Tapeats to Deer Creek. One section of lower route (past Western junction with Upper Route) has a narrow ledge and exposure (see photos). All toilets at mass capacity! Lots of road closures in area, consult FS before planning route. Route from Fredonia in great shape.
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I knocked out this quick and easy summit on my second day on the north rim. I had been kicking myself for not making the quick detour to the summit of Bridgers when I backpacked through here a few years ago, so it was nice to finally tick it off, despite its generally underwhelming nature.

Early start. Turned off for the summit at about 2.7 miles, the off trail approach is pretty straightforward. If you start scrambling a lot, there is a probably a better way, as it’s pretty much class three to the summit. After a quick break on the summit, I returned the way I came. It took a little less than five hours, car to car.
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Check this one off the bucket list. :DANCE: Awesome trip with friends over Veteran's Day weekend. We had a permit for Upper Tapeats on Saturday and Esplanade on Sunday.

Friday -- Called in some Cornish Pasty for pick-up on the way through Flagstaff. Got up to Jacob Lake and car camped off FR 461 in the pines. With a long drive from Phoenix and having not been to Bill Hall previously we opted to do most of the forest roads the following morning.

Saturday -- Drove to Bill Hall trailhead; roads all in really good shape. Hiked down and we each cached 2-3L water on the Esplanade, which we saved for the hike out on Monday. Made it down the Red Wall Break, through Surprise Valley and past Thunder River to Upper Tapeats for the night. It's a nice camp; sites are pretty spread out for privacy. Easy access to the creek. Toilet was super full (gross) and there were mice at our site. But we enjoyed nonetheless and let the creek roll us off to sleep. 8.8 miles.

Sunday -- This was our big day. Our group split up in 2 pairs. One group decided to hike back up to the Esplanade the way we came, knowing it was going to be tough enough just to get back up the Red Wall section. I opted with a friend to take the "scenic" route looping around along the Colorado River to Deer Creek Falls and back up. It did not disappoint and was probably my toughest day in the canyon yet.

Leaving Upper Tapeats, we took the route west of the creek down to the river. We thought about doing the east route but couldn't quickly find a suitable place to cross the creek. After turning up the river we opted for the lower route once it splits off, mostly because it looked shorter. There were a couple places where the trail was pretty narrow with some exposure, but it's definitely passable. Reminded me of some tight spots on the Tonto and Clear Creek trails.

We dropped our big packs at Deer Creek, got through the narrows and to Deer Creek Falls for lunch. Had the falls to ourselves for about 10 minutes before some rafting folks came by. Filled up our water at Deer Creek and started the grueling last part of our day up into Surprise Valley and over the Red Wall Break.

Sun went down on us at the beginning of the wall so we did most of it in the dark. On the Esplanade someone has tied very small reflective string to guide the route, which was super helpful at night. Made it to camp exhausted and happy. 11.5 miles.

Monday -- Relatively quick hike out but all uphill. Glad we camped at the Esplanade to cut down on some of the mileage and elevation. 3.7 miles. Called in some Diablo Burger for pick-up on the way back through Flagstaff.

Overall, great trip to a special place... If we had more time I would've liked to stay an extra night at Deer Creek to split up the hike, which would have let the others in our group experience it as well. Next time...
 
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I had been wanting to get back to this area for sometime now and decided a day hike was easier than applying for a permit. Originally, I had planned to make a loop with Tapeats via the river trail, but I will be honest I decided to enjoy the moment a little at the falls and skipped on turning this awesome day hike into a death march. Likewise, there were some nasty clouds rolling in and with a drive back to Phoenix still on the schedule for later in the evening, so discretion won out. Skipping the loop turned out to be the right choice, as the Tapeats area really got socked in for a moment with a pretty nasty cell, which I still got some of, but with a little less intensity it appeared.

Early start for this one. In fact, it was almost a real early start until I realized my phone had switched to Navajo time and I was eating my morning oat meal and drinking my morning coffee at 2:30 in the morning and not 3! I did as best as I could to rest for another 45 minutes or so and was on the trail at 4:20 a.m. I cruised on the descent and cruised across the esplanade, which set me up for the amazing experience of witnessing first light from above Surprise Valley. After the descent into Surprise, it was time for my summit of Cogswell Butte. The route is pretty straight forward and appears to be about the only way up from the perspective of descending into Surprise Valley. The route was a little loose and steep, but by Canyon standards the summit was a walk up. There was a pretty well visited register on top and the great morning light and awesome views west into the great gorge were amazing. After slipping and sliding down Cogswell, it was on to Deer Creek.

The area was pretty busy and full with hikers and boaters, but I did not mind. I was just happy the patio was free of people, as the last time I had went through that area I could not really enjoy it much because of all the people. Once I got to the falls, I decided I was just going to make this hike an out and back. I think I had the additional seven miles in me, but I decided swimming and lounging around the falls seemed like a more pleasant option than the hot hike across to Tapeats. There were some boaters there, but they were all pretty cool and even offered to move their chairs for me to take some pics. From the falls, it was the long hike back to the north rim. There were moments I felt very tired and then moments where I felt strong, but overall I think at times I was a little low on energy from a lack of eating. I had the food, but when it gets warm, my appetite goes away. I had to force myself to get some food in me during some dedicated breaks on the way up. Luckily, a storm rolled in and the thunder and lightning gave me that nice flight or fight boost of energy needed to reach the north rim.

Cogswell Butte is my 14th Grand Canyon summit.
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I have not posted in a while, mostly due to not having much hiking time, and those hikes I have done have all been the basic in town variety. This one was well worth a write up. I started out from the North Rim with a group of 5 others Wednesday afternoon for our planned 5 day excursion. We hiked down to the Esplanade on the first day after making the drive up, just a little over 4 miles on the trail. I started out with 2 and a half gallons of water since we were planning on dry camping the first and last night, so I left a gallon cached at our campsite that we were going to use on the way up. Beautiful area with lots of interesting flora for sure. The second day we broke camp fairly early and headed down the Redwall into Surprise Valley. Slow going on the trail, very rocky and steep heading down the wall, felt a little reminiscent of Piestewa with the big stone steps except I had a 50 pound pack on my back. We made our way through Surprise Valley and headed east towards Tapeats Creek. Our group had folks of different hiking abilities and ages, so we ended up splitting into a few groups. When I made it to Thunder Falls, I enjoyed a great rest cooling off in the shade of the trees right by the ice-cold stream. Absolutely fantastic, and possibly some of the best tasting water I have had in the backcountry. Now revived, we made our way to the Upper Tapeats camp area and secured the site right on the creek. The rest of the day we just took turns jumping in the creek and setting up camp. The water was really cold, but felt great after a long day of efforting in the heat, I would imagine it was right around 100 degrees at camp. We had planned to do the loop with Deer Creek as a day hike the next day, but some of our group were really struggling (a few were first and second time backpackers, I would suggest getting more smaller trips in before trying this one) so that idea was scrapped and we planned on hiking up the first major gain by Thunder Falls the next day once the sun went behind the canyon walls. I took off on my own in the morning to at least go down to the Colorado River to enjoy the scenery and try my hand at fishing. I took the west bank trail down to the river, and there was quite a bit of gain and some mighty thin trails. On the way back to camp, I decided to ford Tapeats Creek to get to the east bank, the crossing was a little dodgy but I found a good spot to make it across. Back at camp I enjoyed some lunch and then packed up my tent so we could make the afternoon ascent. Filled up as much water as I could at the falls since now the next two nights would be dry camps. We found a spot in Surprise Valley to sleep for the night so we could make an early morning approach on the Redwall. The next day I made it back to our first camp mid-morning, and then we waited a few hours for the rest of the group to catch up. Spent a lazy few hours in the shade soaking up the surroundings and reading a book. By the time everyone was back to camp, it looked like a few folks were running really short on water and would be hurting for the next day. I left over a half gallon for the group, and about 3 in the afternoon I decided to hike out to the car with one of the other guys. There was water at the car, so we would have as much as we needed once we got up top, even though we ran out on the way up. Climbing up the White wall with the afternoon sun blaring on my back was not the best, but we made it up with many breaks along the way. Got up on top of the rim just after the sun set and made our way by moonlight back to the car to set up camp on top. Greeted the sunrise the next morning from the use trail right to rim's edge with a cup of tea and my last Clif bar. We waited a few hours for the other folks to make their way up (they all got a real early start), and went and had lunch at the Jacob Lake lodge before heading back home to the Valley. All in all, a fantastic first backpack trip for me in the Grand Canyon!
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Started at Bill Hall, spent two nights at Upper Tapeats.

First day we started a little later than we should have. Surprise Valley is always hotter than hell. You don't want to be in there in the summer at any point when the sun is hitting you. We started feeling it mid-way down the red wall and it was a hot trudge to Thunder River and Tapeats. Thunder River was a welcome site and the water was even more welcome when we got there.

On the second day, just did a day hike to the river and back down Tapeats Creek. Stayed on the West side of Tapeats. There seems to be disagreement about whether the creek should be crossed and how often. I didn't see an ideal place to cross but there is some decent exposure on the West side of Tapeats. I wouldn't want to do this with a full backpack and was glad that we camped at Upper Tapeats. Good day hike. Hot. Spent most of the day lounging at camp, chilling in the water and watching fish.

Third day we got up at 4 AM to get an early start. We really did not want to be in Surprise Valley with the sun on us. It was a race. We got to the esplanade before the sun hit us and were glad we got up and started so early. The last haul up Bill Hall seemed to last forever.

Really enjoyed Thunder River. Had wanted to get there for a while.

A notable fauna observation, a Western Blind Snake just crawled up to me while we were playing cards in camp. These guys spend there entire lives underground so they are uncommon to see. No bigger than a good sized earthworm. No pictures because it caught me so off-guard and was gone shortly after I identified it. :/
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Did this on trip to North Rim, did solo in June very hot, was trying to link to Thunder River trail all the way to Thunder River but it was too hot and too far that day went down to where I could see the river right before it dropped down again in elevation, very remote trail.
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FR22 to Bill Hall TH was in very good condition. Only two shallow pools across the entire road were of slight concern. Most could navigate a Yugo. I'd imagine it gets messy in the mud after rain. Currently it's 2wd for drivers with a clue.

After twenty two miles through a maze of forest the Bill Hall TH was almost full. We passed several one to two inch shallow pools in the pockets of the Esplanade.

Surprise Valley sage has a crisp scent that raises your head to fully inquire.

My first trip two years ago was a shock treatment of wow. This round I came back with a better understanding of the surrounding area. We crossed paths with several groups going both directions. One group camped in Surprise Valley then did the loop as a day hike. Only a couple of them even had day packs, oh the jealousy.

Russ brought his daughter Katie. With no recent hikes this journey started cursing her world 8 miles in on day 1. Despite blisters, shaky legs and regurgitating reflexes she defeated the odds! This was my second hike with Fan. Realized she is resilient and adaptable. Appreciate that she let us drive her car. Especially since she replaced the wind chimes on the mirror with a quiet stuffed pillow!

Despite trying to talk someone* out of eating at the crap hole inn we finally got our gasping dry burgers on stale ciabatta in a couple hours.

Big thanks to * for putting together this group hike, most appreciated!

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