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 Tucson, AZ
East Webber via GeronimoPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Michelle and I started at Geronimo TH. ended up taking east webber until it started getting pretty overgrown. great trails. nice ferns and some water in the creek. a mostly cloudy day with a few sprinkles really added to an already delightful day. Michelle loved it out there and I had not been on East Webber before so total win all around
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Geronimo Trail #240Payson, AZ
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Hiking8.75 Miles 1,308 AEG
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Last week, hiking the General Crook Trail, I could see spots of fall color lower on the Rim.

From the trailhead, hike 1/4 mile south on Highline Trail, then turn right on Trail #240, which twists & turns, generally northwest, climbing 270 ft. in 3/4 mile. The fall color starts at the top of the climb, and continues to the 2-mile mark at Trail #217. 🍁

The only confusing bit of Trail #240 is 1¾ miles out: The trail looks like it turns left & up, yet it actually turns right & down, towards Camp Geronimo. At the gate, then you turn sharp left.

At the Trail #217 sign, turn right to continue on Trail #240. Trail #289 starts just past the 3-mile mark. I misinterpreted the signs, and soon found myself heading downhill. I doubled back. Though the arrow appears to point right, turn left at the Trail #289 sign.

Trail #289 begins a steady climb, the slope gradually increasing. It gains 900 ft. in two miles. It is all singletrack, often indistinct, with regular deadfall. Some quite large. Plus roots and rocks. I climbed over some deadfall, and ducked under others. In other words very similar to one of the canyon crawls I do on top of the Mogollon Rim. It’s physical going down canyon. Even more so going up.

Despite many signs, some quite old, I got off trail twice.

Though Webber Creek was running, I was able to cross dry each time. About a mile up #289, there is a really nice little pool, that is deep enough to sit in.

Before the 5-mile mark, I decided I’d had enough. I didn’t realize at the time, the spring was only another 1/3 mile. Kind of bummed in retrospect. I could have made it. But I had exercised, and that is always my main objective.

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Moderate maple along Geronimo 240. Light yellow ???s, plus a few maple, along East Webber 289. Oak barely changing.
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One cluster of what I believe was white prairie aster. A few mullein still sticking around.
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Rim View Webber Loop, AZ 
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Hiking12.00 Miles 2,500 AEG
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This Hike will go into the "What in the h*** was I thinking" Folder. Wrong Loop to do after barely doing anything in the last two weeks.

I can sum this up in 3 sentences.
My Curiosity of this Area has been completely satisfied.
This Loop completely and utterly kicked my pumpkin.
Of the 4 Trails that I used to create this Loop, 3 of them are definitely a One and Done.

I did this Loop CCW. I wanted to get the Rim View Trail out of the way early on and hopefully before it got too hot. Huh.... It was a good Decision for the former at least. I would have hated leaving this one for the back end. It took me so long to do that Trail that I was in it for most of the heat as well. So glad I brought almost 5 Liters of Water. Drank every drop on this Hike and could have drank more. Webber Creek saved me, I was an overheated, bloody mess by the time I got there. If there had been a swimming hole at that crossing, I would have just gone completely in.

Highline/AZT 26
Whenever the AZT comes into play on a Trail, the maintenance is pretty stellar, at least in the places I've experienced. This Section was no different. Just a Dream to Stroll, Hike and just Cruise along. The ATA has done some impressive work here. I'll compare it to a Wedding.

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Omg... :sweat: :sweat: :sweat: First, I will tell you that the Highline/Rim View Trail intersection has been moved further north and east. Because of that, the Rim View Trail has been extended and that extension is in great shape. The Trail is marked with green fence poles with the tops painted orange. The first mile or so was great, if the Trail was questionable at all, the poles could usually be found to help with the Route Finding. I'll compare this Section to a Honeymoon. Nice Views and decent Trail. After this Section, the Honeymoon was over. The Vegetation, consisting of Manzanita, Scrub Oak, Locust and even Raspberries, competes with the Love and the Love loses, badly. And so do the Poles. If the Poles didn't completely do a vanishing act in the Vegetation, they were bent or broken to where you still couldn't see them until you were right on top of them. I don't think the rest of this Trail has seen any Love except from the Wildlife, who love it in places, but even they desert it at times and that makes it even worse. If there were new sections of Trail through here, then I guess I was on them, but most of it is gone too. After the 1st hour of basically a bushwack, with some of it actually being on the Trail (which was better), I should have turned around. If I hadn't had a GPS, I would have for sure. But I had gone this far and I was trying to stay optimistic with the chance that at some point, someone had done some work somewhere along here. Besides, turning around meant another hour of crap, just to get back. So I kept going. Someday, my stubborness is going to kill me. The Length of that Trail is roughly 3.6 Miles. With two very short breaks to snack and get some electrolytes, it took me over 6 hours. With the Honeymoon being long over, I was now ready for a Divorce. It was incredibly hard to stay on the Route at all. But I kept trying to stay on the Route, because at times, the Trail was still defined. It was still being taken over by vegetation, but easier to walk through. But those areas would only last 100 feet if I was lucky and then I was trying to follow the path of least resistance that would end, and I would immediately be off Route again. In trying to get back to the Trail, I would try to use some Route Finding and Trail Logic. I was wrong 80% of the time. I soon learned that if in doubt, stay high, and at times, the Route went even higher. But then, Cairns appeared briefly and they went even higher, so I followed and it didn't seem right. I was off Route yet again. No Clue what was up with the Cairns. If Hank and Kyle hadn't put in the Waypoint for the Rock Chute, I'd been hard pressed to find a way down at all. As it was, doing down off that Slope was mostly on my butt. I finally made the Creek. Going into and out of the Creek was the most defined part of the Trail in the last 2 miles. I spent some time sitting in the Creek, cooling down and washing off blood. It was much later than I wanted, but I made the Decision to go for the Spring, up canyon on East Webber. I made it, but it just about finished me off.

East Webber to Spring
There is no defined "intersection" of East Webber and Rim View. No Sign either. But the Trail was nice for a bit at least. And it stayed "defined" for most of the way up towards the Perennial Spring. And there were Pink Ribbons occasionally to help. The Trail is there, but for most of the Hike from the 2nd Water crossing on, it is littered with debris. And when I mean littered, I mean, you can't see the dirt at all. Wood chips, bark chips, wood chunks galore. The Bears are busy in there breaking up and destroying old logs and nobody is cleaning up after them. And let's add quite a few downed trees over the trail. This trail was only about a mile and a half one way, but it became exhausting. It wasn't helpful after what I had just done. The Route shows that you can go up to the Spring, but I never saw it and actually went farther up the Trail before I turned around. The Creek is dry at that point. Note to others. Wear pants on this Section. Most of the Vegetation encroaching on the Trail is Raspberries. I wouldn't do this section again unless I could be sure to hit it at the Peak of Autumn. Lots of Maples in here.

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By the time I got back to the Webber/Rim View "Intersection", I was physically and mentally fried. And I still had over 4 miles to go with about 2 hours of light left. I had less than a liter of water left and used it with another electrolyte with 3 miles to go. Needless to say, I just put my head down and got it done. I will say that from that intersection to where the Trail turns into a Jeep road, East Webber was a wonderful single track tread and it almost made me euphoric at that point. Once it became a road and eventually merged with Geronimo, it was just ok, but the Forest and Creek were pretty nice through there. Nice road walk if you're in the area and don't have a lot of time. Geronimo was pretty much all Road Walk until just before the end, where you basically merge with the Highline/AZT for the final 1/4 mile or so.

I could have almost cried when I saw the Truck with less than 30 minutes of light left. I was one hurting mess. A cigarette would have been sweet here, but no, I had to settle for downing a cold Powerade I had in the Truck. I'm about 40 days Smoke Free at this point and as hard as it still is, I simply can't give in. I made a deal with myself. The only way I could afford the truck was to give up the smokes. And I sure do enjoy the Truck. I look at it every time I'm having a lot of trouble with a craving. The Reward is worth it and I seem to be not as winded as easily while hiking, so that's always a bonus. :)

Additional Perspective on the Rim Trail. I might do it again if someone paid me, but they would have to dig very very deep. I would recommend this Trail for about a mile as an Out and Back from the Highline, that is all. The rest of it isn't a Trail anymore, it's simply a bushwack. Unless the Forest Service or Boy Scouts come back and say they've completely revamped it or you're simply masochistic, don't do it. And if you're the latter and decide to do it and you want even more punishment, don't take a GPS. You'll adore the Hell you've walked into.
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New Mexico Locust is in full swing. Other bushy Flowers as well. The Raspberries are getting started. One cluster of Indian Paintbrush. Some smaller wildflowers here and there.

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Until north of 2nd unnamed Spring just below the Rim. Then East Webber is dry.

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At the Trail. Although there was a path to the Spring Box, it's getting pretty overgrown with Raspberries, so I didn't check the Spring Box.

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At Webber Trail Crossing

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At Webber Trail Crossing
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May 20 2017
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Highline - Rim View Fail - Webber - Donahue, AZ 
Highline - Rim View Fail - Webber - Donahue, AZ
 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
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Me and my squad of one, launched from the Pine TH on a glorious Saturday morning.

This was my first time on this portion of the re-routed Highline #31, since starting the AZT in 2010. It was a clear and pleasant jaunt all the way to the Geronimo TH on this well manicured track. One AZ Black buzzworm woke us up about 5 miles in, sunning itself in the trail. We lounged in the shade by the babbling Webber Creek before continuing on the Highline.

The plan was to loop on the Rim View Trail - BSA, using a 4 year old @Grasshopper/ @Tough_boots track. It started out easy enough following the trail and metal poles. This was probably some scouts work for a merit badge. I don't think it's seen any love since it completion. 1 mile in, we lost the poles and any sign of a trail. We searched higher than the track and found one last pole. In shorts and wasting time with 3ish miles left into the unknown, we retreated.

The Highline back to Gerinimo #240 and the to the gem of the hike, East Webber #289. The forest is beautifully thick with maples. As an added treat, the creek was running up to and past where this trail meets up with the BSA Milk Ranch Trail. After this intersection, the trail gets...steep. We bagged the top a bit after 5pm.

First time on the Donahue #27. Clear and OK up top, gets a bit tight and rocky at the bottom. It was good to be back on the Highline superhighway to the TH.

Great weather in the Rim country made this a good one for me.
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Water running over trail is best source

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Water running over the trail. You could filter if you had to.

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Catchment is full. Murky, but filterable.

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Running all the way up to and past the BSA Trail.

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 Phoenix, AZ
East Webber via GeronimoPayson, AZ
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Hiking8.10 Miles 2,008 AEG
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Got in a nice quickie camp trip and hike. We drove up Saturday late afternoon and had dinner at THAT Brewery up in Pine, first time there. Good food, and beer selections were awesome, we got the sampler to try out a few different kinds. We found a great car camp spot along FR 440 about a mile before the trailhead and setup a fairly spartan camp since it was just a quick overnight. Sunday morning we loaded up and headed for the Geronimo TH, we got started a bit after 8. Geronimo trail is nice, good gain but never too steep. We saw about 2 dozen elk along the way, most were up closer to Webber creek. The Webber trail was a bit overgrown but nothing too bad, I did count about 15 downed logs along the way to step over or around. Once we got close to the creek there was a feeling like Narnia would be right around the corner, it was reminiscent of my trips up to the Pacific Northwest with pines, spruce, ferns, and berry bushes all over the place. We made the junction with the BSA Rim View trail and started making the trip up. I had read in previous descriptions that this was not completed yet, I guess I was hopeful it would be in better condition since it has been a few years. We found the way up OK, thin trail but there was occasional tags in the trees to guide us. Once we reached about 6300' the trail completely disappeared, and we were basically doing the bushwhack on a fairly steep slope. My partner was none too pleased about this course, and the going was slow. We were planning to bail from the trail and find a way down just as the trail came back and was actually pretty nice. We did divert down the BSA Lower Miller trail since we were short on time to do the whole loop at this point. The Lower Miller trail was great, especially compared to what we had been on...the only bad thing was that the trail put us right on the back door to the Boy Scout camp. We tried to skirt the camp as best as we could, but it seems like we kept getting pulled back in. Thankfully there was no one there that we saw, and we made our way back to the forest boundary without incident. The berry bushes at the TH were fairly picked over, so we just had a victory brew and headed back home. Great area I have never been to before!
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Some Indian Paintbrush blooming, and the berry vines had some color too.
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East Webber via GeronimoPayson, AZ
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Nice loop hike. Used the data posted by Grasshopper, Tough_Boots, and John9L to plan this hike. The cloud cover kept the temps tolerable. I knew there were two ways to access the Rim View Trail, an old and new, we took the old route. A little bit of route finding and dead fall to climb over but not too bad. Great views on the Rim View Trail as you might expect by the name. Had an early lunch at one of the springs that feeds East Webber, very cool area. Wore low cut hikers which worked but I was wishing I would have wore my higher boots for better ankle protection. Also, left my hiking staff at the truck leaned against the tire which I would have liked to have with me. Luckily someone saw it and tossed it in the truck bed; thanks!

Berry report: Slim pickins and of the ripe ones found they were not real plump, although they still tasted pretty good :D

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max East Webber Creek Light flow Light flow
Lighter flow than past years.

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Small trickle but enough to cross over the trail.

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East Webber via GeronimoPayson, AZ
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Hiking9.56 Miles 1,544 AEG
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When I hiked Turkey trail #217 a couple weeks ago, I had some great views from the top of Milk Ranch point all the way over to East Webber creek as I looked across to the canyon down below. I remember thinking that the area really looked like it was worth checking out, so fast forward to this morning and we hit the trail at a little past 8am after parking at Geronimo trailhead. The first couple miles on #240 were boring, as expected, but things started to get nicer once we got to the start of East Webber trail. It was a pretty warm & sunny day, so the numerous stream crossings provided lots of opportunities to splash some cold water on our faces.

The way up was mostly a gradual climb through the ferns and blackberries. Things started to get badly overgrown pretty quick, and the thorny berry bushes lining the trail were worse than any catclaw I've ever waded through. The vines were drooping across the trail at face height, which made for slow travel as the trail continued past the "swimming hole" into the denser undergrowth. At about the 4.75 mile mark we lost the trail completely, and decided to head back.

Just a bit after turning around, we chose to head up a pink-ribboned spur trail heading to the north that I noticed on the way up. I was glad we did, because it led right to a spring that was gushing cold water right from the bottom of a cool looking cliff. I'm not sure what this spring is called, I can't find it on any of the forest service maps that I have.

In the future I'd like to attempt the BSA Rim View loop over to Highline, but the fact that there seem to be 2 different junctions for the Rim View trail left me a bit confused about which is the correct trail. I use the term "trail" loosely here because at both intersections it didn't look like there was much of a path to follow at all.
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East Webber via GeronimoPayson, AZ
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Hiking6.91 Miles 2,141 AEG
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We arrived only to be confronted by a boy scout camp in the direction we wished to go. I read that the Geronimo trail was not very exciting so I figured we would just drive to the East webber trail head. I must have missed the part about the private boy scout camp in between. We parked and headed up the hill by the sign. There seemed to be a three way split and we knew that to the right was the wrong way. We started up the hill where I saw my first wild tarantula. I think it was a male Arizona Blond. We skirted the creek and camp the way up. There did seem to be a pretty good trail most of the way on this side for most of the way. About 2.5 miles in we hooked up with the webber creek trail. There were raspberries everywhere. We passed the camp and started up the canyon pretty steadily but not so much it slowed us down. This is where we spotted our second set of Elk. They bolted before I could get my camera ready. We continued along the trail for a good while and came to a split with signs on the ground. One said webber creek and the other Rim View. I think we would have had better luck on the rim view trail. East webber creek continued bobbing back and forth until it came to a bolder hopping section. From here there was no apparent trail and everything poked. We made it a few hundred feet and the decision to wear shorts determined this was the end of the line. Grapes and Raspberries as far as we could see but no trail. We turned around and this is where we made our mistake. Somehow we ended up coming through the fence into the camp n the way back. A nice man reminded us that we were trespassing but let us use the road which saved us plenty of time. I would like to make it back out here and try to make it up to the rim again. There were at least three trucks of people before we left gathering raspberries by the parking lot.
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Jul 12 2013
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East Webber via GeronimoPayson, AZ
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Hiking10.45 Miles 2,088 AEG
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After moving to the Phoenix area for my retirement in year 2004, one of my first spring and summer hiking areas north of Phoenix that I frequented was this Tonto NF area below our Mogollon Rim just southeast of Pine, AZ, hiking out-of the convenient access "Geronimo TH". Between April'06 and April'07 I returned to this area five times (a couple of times with topohiker) and other times solo to just enjoy the solitude and lush beauty of this higher elevation area with multiple hiking trails to choose from.

From summer 2007 to the present, I started venturing out to other Arizona and out-of-state hiking areas and just lost touch with my favorite hike out of the Geronimo TH- the "East Webber Trail #289". As the years passed from 2007, I continued to follow other HAZ member posts for this Trail #289 and was sad to hear that due to this lush, riparian areas continuing overgrowth/tree downfall with lack of trail maintenance through the years, that no HAZer had been able to successfully post a complete out and back Trail #289 triplog/photoset/GPS Route for other hikers to consider.

After returning from my June'13 one week vehicle camping and hiking trip on our upper Mogollon Rim and with my need to cancel my previously planned one week July return visit, I started re-thinking past good memories, and I recalled that our HAZ- tough_boots(Kyle) also enjoyed hiking this lower Mogollon Rim trails area. He and I made contact and almost immediate plans to visit this area again and to attempt a successful hike of the entire East Webber Trail #289 out and back.

Our successful hike this day was very rewarding and with Kyle's detailed (with trail conditions) triplog, our both now posted "official" GPS Routes to download/follow, and my attached geocoded photoset with detailed reference captions and tag notes, hopefully we can entice those interested and qualified who have not before considered this area, to give this hike a try! I do believe that John9L summed it up best with his comment on Kyle's triplog:
John9L wrote:This is a great area :)
Also, as an added bonus for those interested in all the hiking trail options available in this area, with help from our HAZ- "Route Manager", I have complied the following "official" GPS Route-Hiking Trails summary with all "key" Way Points noted for our future reference and download as required.. [ M/Rim LwrTrails240/289/228/217/RimView ] This hiking area has a lot to offer :D
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East Webber via GeronimoPayson, AZ
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Hank and I both wanted to get all the way out to the spring at the end of East Webber. The only problem, though, is that the last stretch of trail has been overgrown and mostly gone for a few years since the boyscouts have stopped doing maintenance that far-- they seem to be putting all their efforts into finishing the Rimview Trail.

We got an early start and hit the trails. On the drive up, I had begun to hope the berries were in season and ready to eat but was disappointed that the ones close to the trailhead were still green. Luckily further down the trail, they were perfect for eating and we got free snacks all day long.

We made pretty good time on the dull stretch that takes you past the boyscout camp and made our way to the East Webber Trail. Once hitting the lush area, we quickly saw something interesting. The boyscouts are re-routing the Rimview Trail. It used to begin much further down the East Webber Trail. They have a new sign up but it warns hikers that it is under construction and not to use it. 9L and I had taken the Rimview last year from its original starting point so I knew that the stretch closest to the Highline was well maintained but near East Webber it is a mess. I look forward to them finishing the new route and can't wait to explore it on another hike. This new East Webber-Highline Loop is going to be a fantastic new option.

Hank and I eventually made it to the old East Webber / Rimview junction. This is where we knew the going would get tough. Instantly, the trail is swallowed up. We slowly made our way through the brush-- avoiding sharp blackberry bushes and looking for old wood-cuts. We looked for any signs of old trail. There were sections where the old trail was easy to follow but those would soon disappear and we'd work to find the route again. The most important thing to watch out for is the big drainage that comes in from the right-- you don't want to accidentally follow that one.

Well, we made it to the spring. Its a beautiful area and well worth the effort. We stopped and ate lunch to refuel. Bad weather started looming in the distance so we decided to head back and hopefully we'd be done bushwacking before we got rained on. The rain hit just before we found easy trail again so our timing was good. We quickly headed back to the trailhead. Small bits or lightning was a little unsettling but I don't think anything was too close. It was mostly the mud that became an issue-- the kind that sticks to your boots and weighs you down. The rain stopped and we made it back to the trailhead. It was a great hike and hopefully the first of many with Hank-- I think that new Rimview is definitely going to be in the future sometime :)
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Kyle has been talking about this Boy Scott trail for a while now. Today was the day we had a look see. Our hike started at the Geronimo Trailhead around 9am. We headed west on the Highline and then turned north on the Geronimo Trail. After a bit we picked up the East Webber Trail. This was my favorite part of the hike. This section is beautiful! You also hike parallel to Webber Creek. The sound of the creek added to the beauty!

As we neared the end of East Webber the trail started to become overgrown. We continued on and within a few minutes we hit the creek again and saw the ribbons. This is the start of this Boy Scott trail. We got our route finding caps on and started following. The trail quickly gains elevation and there are lots of ribbons to follow. The trail is in good condition at this point. We continued on and saw a sign for "Rim View". This part gains steady elevation and it eventually leveled out at a shaded clearing. Kyle and I had our lunch here. This appears to be the turnaround point for most Boy Scotts.

After eating lunch we continued following the ribbons. Right from the start the trail becomes much more difficult to follow. The area is covered in thick Manzanita and a lot of the ribbons were lying on the ground and half buried. Our pace slowed as we struggled to find the route. The Manzanita patch doesn't last too long thankfully. Next we found ourselves hiking along a ravine. This is where things get very challenging. The ribbons are spaced out and there is tons of dead fall in the way. We made slow time as worked our way over and around. After a few minutes we noticed there were no more ribbons. We had a look around and couldn't locate another one. It appeared the trail continued so we kept on following our general direction. It became obvious we were on very good game trails. We decided to keep going and to slowly make our way downhill. After considerable effort and slipping and sliding, we got lucky and found a stake that is used for a trail marker. We then spotted a ribbon and found ourselves back on track!

The next mile or two were fairly moderate travel. There was plenty of work winding in and out of washes but the trail is well marked and well-traveled. Our going was easy and we eventually connected to the Highline Trail. From there we slugged down the Highline and made our way back to the jeep and then back to Phoenix.

This was an interesting hike and I'm glad we did it. I doubt I would ever do it again unless they clean up that dead fall section. This trail has serious potential and epic views! I would recommend it to those looking for a nice challenge. The mileage came in under 10 miles but trust me the effort blows that number away!
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East Webber / BSA Rimview Loop, AZ 
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So glad I finally got to do this one and it didn't suck like I thought it would. I've done East Webber quite a few times and this was a good reason to go back again. The first time I did East Webber, I explored a bit up the BSA Rimview but it quickly disappeared after the first steep climb. My mole in the Boy Scouts told me back in the winter that the scouts had since finished flagging the Rimview Trail last summer. I've been waiting all year to be the first HAZer to complete this loop.

My mole had shown me a map of the trail but I never got the chance to copy it. All I really remembered was what area of the Highline it would descend back down to and that it would mostly just ride high on the contours. I wasn't sure how today would go and I'm glad that John was interested in doing this one.

We headed up East Webber which is awesome as always (and overgrown). The swimming hole was deeper than I've seen it before and there was more water the further upstream we got. We finally hit the BSA Rimview and headed up. This first section I had done before and it's in much better shape than a couple years ago. It seemed like an actual trail which made me hopeful. It's flagged and cleared pretty well at first but then you hit about a quarter or third of a mile where there are no ribbons, blazes, cairnes, markers-- nothin'!

We bushwacked through and just did what made sense to us and then eventually we started finding markers and ribbons again. Quickly it becomes a real trail again and stays pretty easy to follow all the way to it's intersection with the Highline at Bear Spring. It seems as though the route is done but they must be working on the trail from each end and connecting in the center. They're not quite there yet.

When this trail is done-- its gonna make this a real nice loop. The views from the Rimview are better than the from the Highline and the amphitheater style rock formations you hike across are really cool. Much of it is being marked with metal poles so the route isn't going to disappear. This trail is worth doing for sure.

Pretty good wildlife day-- a few deer, elk, a garter snake, and a rattler.
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Jul 28 2012
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I threw together a loop in a few minutes from a map of several tracks Bruce sent over. Heading in I was excited having had great times on these trail in the past.

We headed down and all seemed good albeit a tad humid. Passed two groups of 40 teenage girls from a church camp. Bruce wanted to find the "Tiny Cave" and then was upset on the lack of volume.

I guess a few minutes planning a big hike is not a good idea. I assumed we were heading up Donahue as I didn't know anything else ascended the rim. Welcome to the BSA East Rim Trail. Mama mia it's practically a slide!

Headed over Milk Ranch and down West Webber. Yeah it was getting a little toasty and the humidity was kicking in big time. We weren't making great time. Lunch was looking to be pretty late. I assured Bruce it was worth the wait to get to the back of East Webber.

After making it through the frying pan on Geronimo, East Webber was mighty refreshing. Looked like a big storm was going to blow over too.

It had been 5 years since my last visit. It seemed like there was a lot more vegetation in the creek than I remembered. Then it hit. Holy cow this was not the place to be in shorts. Some tall lethal weapon (plant) that resembles raspberry bushes has taken over. The trail disappeared with a half mile to go. I recall maybe 50 yards of bushwhacking and mentioned to Bruce that it was friendly shrub...lol

It was all terrible and all before things really turned worse. We threw in the towel and gave up trying to reach the jeweled "end" lodged in my memory. It started raining. Crawling over slippery jagged trees was border line dangerous.

Went from frying earlier to freezing and starving. We lunched at about 3:45 in light rain. After a half mile Bruce realized he forgot his GPS. Being the kind guy I am I offered wait and eat his chips while he hiked back.

Feeling a tad better with some food down came the next joy. Just what every 20+ mile 5k hiker wants... ten pound feet clumping through the mud.

Based on previous knowledge I decided the Turkey trail would be a bad idea muddy. The new plan was West Webber back up. We missed the turn and ended up on Milk Ranch Trail. No biggie and I was feeling pretty darn good at that point.

Up top again we followed the road then made a left onto some leg Bruce threw together. Guess I didn't pay much attention to that either in planning. 8pm, headlamps on and I'm looking at this wall of pure hell, heading down... My stomach was beginning to turn. I figured it'd be best to take roads back. That took a while to figure out but it all ended well.

I'm glad this one is over. It is sad that East Webber is so horrific now. We noticed several signs of flooding in the area. The super sized vegetation may be from all the moisture. I'll return, this just wasn't a great trip. A little hiking in the rain is cool, five hours is a drag. That raspberry stuff really hurts. Simple pants and a machete solve that issue.
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Parked up top off of 87, crossed through the fence and parked .2 mile down at the TH.
The area took a lot of rain on this day and I was still able to get my 2 Wheel drive up and out with no problem at the end of the day (Phew).

We made our way down the Pine Trail with its sweet views, having the place all to ourselves. We saw a King Snake and shortly there after the quiet in the canyon was gone for a bit. We passed 2 separate Church groups of young ladies (30-40 each).

The East Rim Trail was next up....and I do mean UP. There were spots where I was on all fours going up. This trail is less than .75 miles long and gains +1,100 feet in that time. There are some great views on the way up. Towards the top there is a Boulder/Rock climbing section that's fun.

This trail ends up top and you then follow occasional metal blazes on trees to get out to FR9283L. Now that we have that climbing out of the way, a short walk up top on Milk Ranch Point it was down on West Webber Trail, Milk Ranch Point Trail and met up with the Geronimo Trail. The forest on the way down is very thick and lush. Looks like the fall colors would be incredible.

Geronimo was my least favorite. It's an old road affording little shade from the sun.

East Webber was real nice for awhile. Once you get past the downed BSA Rim Trail sign, It is near impossible, to impossible to follow. What was a trail has been covered with blood stealing 5' tall raspberry type bushes. We trudged on for a bit making almost no headway, finally giving up once the rain started coming down at a heavier pace.

A short lunch in the drizzle and then we were off, trudging back down the muddy Gerinimo sporting our 5 pound shoes. Hiking back up West Webber, the rain had finally stopped. We took a break at the top to change into dry socks. Wrong call as the rain started again.

We had 3 miles of road walking on FR218 which drug on forever. I'd drawn up a route off of FR218, back to the truck which would short cut across the north rim of Pine Canyon. It used some old FR's and some bushwhacking. It should lend some good sunset views. One problem with that plan... it's now after 8pm, it's dark, raining, so no sunset views and all I have are my prescription sunglasses with me. So the glasses are off and I'm hiking blind. Also the roads in places were not there anymore and were replaced with prickly locust trees...

We made the right decision and made our way over to the long way back on a more established trail... FR 300 to SR87 2.5 miles to the truck.

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This trail was about what I expected from reading previous trip reports... lots of grabby berry bushes. There are some to wade through at the very start of the trail and then past the BSA camp you had better be wearing some protective gear if you don't want red, welted pinstripes. :D However, I had a great time on this trip and will likely be back to see what happens up there in the fall.

Tiffani, Tyler and I got a late start from Phoenix on Saturday morning, but we were at the TH by 9:30am. Since the rest of the group had spent the night nearby the night before, we had thought we wouldn't see them until reaching camp. Instead, we caught up with them within 30 minutes since they had spent some quality time "exploring" the many interconnected jeep trails that the Geronimo Trail travels through. Luckily, they had left us some markers to make our route finding easier. We all continued along the jeep trail, navigating around the BSA camp. There were a couple of nice views along the way... and a lot of unhelpful trail markers. After crossing West Webber Creek, we got to the end of the BSA camp and started to wind our way along Webber Creek. We stopped for a quick break at the first creek crossing since it was so shady and inviting. Just before the second crossing we noticed a large area that looked perfect for hammock and tent camping, but decided to continue on in hopes of a site closer to one of the springs. (a bit of foreshadowing... we should have left our packs there) We continued on, passing the first spring coming down from the left. After this point, the going got pretty tough. Lots of thorns, lots of deadfall, and lots of "Where did the trail go?". Backpackers slowly started stopping and declaring their desire to wait while the rest of us slogged on. By the time we got to within a half-mile of the spring of origin that Joe mentions in the hike description, it was just me and Tyler. So we continued on, using the creek bed, and fallen tree trunks to navigate our way to the final spring and rock slabs of legend. Too bad there wasn't very much water, just a trickle that cascaded down the rock. Still, it was a nice place to spend a couple of minutes before heading back down through the berry jungle to assure our waiting group members of our survival. By this time, we had been hiking for close to 5 hours and we were ready to head back to that second creek crossing, set up our hammocks, and enjoy the rest of the nice, cool evening under the stars. Good times!

Oh, and it was Tyler's first night in a hammock, and that went well, too! Yay for hammocks!

The next morning, we had a leisurely breakfast(corned beef hash!!) before breaking camp and hurrying back to the vehicles so we could have a yummy lunch at the Rimside Grill where we chuckled at the thought of telling our coworkers that we got all of our scratches by stumbling into a previously undiscovered rim-country cat colony. Yup.

Edit: Forgot to mention that this was the least traveled trail that I have ever been on below the Rim in the summertime. Another bonus!
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Backpack into the Rim country with good friends. We had the usual trouble navigating the first part of the trail near the Boy Scout camp...too many trails, too many trail markers. We made it through relatively unscathed, however.

I ended up not making it to the spring for a variety of reasons, but I'm not really bummed about that. It was a fun hike anyhow, and I got to spend some quality afternoon lounging time in the forest along a mountain stream ;)

Lots of berries to pick and eat, though many were not quite ripe yet. (Lesson learned: unripe berries and freshly brushed teeth do not mix well). Last mile of trail seems to be nearly completely gone in some spots - even the GPS route just didn't help.
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The Pine TH / Tonto forest is open!

We got to the Pine TH and there was a bunch of cars there already. We were hiking by 8:45. We took the Pine trail out. When we cross the Pine creek by the deep pools cutoff, we saw two backpackers coming down from the rim. As we approached them I saw that one of them had a rifle. When we crossed paths, that rifle was an AK-47! :scared: .

We made it to the rim and started towards FR300. We were on an abandoned forest road and saw something that looked like a big dog. We got closer and it was a black bear! :o Then her fuzzy baby cub was chasing behind her! It was so cool seeing a black bear and cub. We just stood there and watch them. The mama bear was not that big. If she stood on her feet with her arms up, she might have been as tall as me. We waited for them to get about 200 feet away from us before we started hiking again. We didn't get any pictures :cry: . We didn't want to make any unnecessary moves or sounds. I was very surprised to see bears that close to the rim road. :GB:

We continued with the hike and this time headed down the East Webber trail. The trail has some fresh deadfall in the middle out it. There was some major trail cleanup done on the East Webber trail near the Turkey spring. There was a lot of cut trees, moved logs, and some trail re-routing. A big thank-you :thanx: to whomever spent the time making the trail open and clean.

We refilled our water by the scout camp and had lunch. The rest of the hike was nothing special. Took the Geronimo to the Highline, to the truck. We made it out before it got dark.
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Webber Creek was definitely amazing and more than I had hoped for. I decided to drop in from the top off of Rim Road 300 instead of taking the posted trail from Geronimo. This worked out well, all business right from the start. As you descend into the creek the vegetation starts to explode. Countless raspberry bushes along the way, however most were located downhill of the spring and were definitely not ripe yet. This hike consisted of A LOT of rock hopping and climbing up/down big drop offs and also balancing on giant logs bridged over crystal clear waters. Needless to say, it was a blast. My chest and lats were destroyed much worse than my legs by the end of this one. Come fall, this spot will have a multitude of colors due to the varying species thriving here. My plan is to come back and eat myself sick full of raspberries. Touching once more on the walls you have to climb down and back up, one stood out the most. It was a ~30ft wall with 3 or 4 spots you can pause at on the way down. The last "step" is a ledge with about a 6-7 foot drop onto a curved rock, so going down you have to be careful. Coming back up you have to hoist yourself onto this ledge, which was over my head. It was basically a monstrous pull up ordeal. One of my friends couldn't make it back up, so I lodged a log into a crack to use as a step. He still had difficulty so I had to pull him up and over. If you are used to this stuff, its cake, but if not beware.
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Car camping with the kids. Wondered around on the Geromimo trail and along the creek.
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I wanted to see how my calf is feeling with a few extra miles so I took a friend up to do the easy but always beautiful Webber Creek. This really is a great hike and it looks like someone has done some maintenance since I was there last. East Webber has had much of the encroaching vines cleared out and now once again extends past the BSA Rimview Trail (although not much farther). The BSA Rimview looks like the boyscouts have been working on it but we didn't go up to get a good look. An Arizona black rattlesnake shook its tail at us on the trail but quickly disappeared-- he was a fat one, too.

My leg feels great and I think I can step it back up again-- gonna hike again tomorrow! :)
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