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56 male
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 Mesa, AZ
Pigeon Springs LoopPhoenix, AZ
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DarthStillerTriplogs 857
Hiking6.78 Miles 1,757 AEG
Hiking6.78 Miles   4 Hrs   13 Mns   1.83 mph
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Four Peaks Road has got worse, which is not news. It's not crazy 4x4 like you need a modified lifted ride, but be prepared for a bumpy slow going ride. No Forest Road for Old Men. At one point I stalled the engine, and it wouldn't restart. Seemed like the engine died for no reason. Joe astutely suggested the battery terminal cable may have popped loose. this has happened before to me, so I was immediately encouraged. That was indeed the issue. I put the band back over the terminal but it was still visibly loose. Forgot to pack my 10mm spare wrench. Andy's Leatherman couldn't get a grip on the nut to tighten the band. Wally took the caveman approach and smacked the band down around the terminal. He did it so efficiently we weren't able to be more dramatic pics of fixing a car with a rock. Happy to not be stranded 18 miles in, we quickly moved on.

We started from the Pigeon Springs TH, which is basically just a widened berm from the road that gives barely enough room to pull off of the road and feel comfortable that you won't get clipped by the 4x4s and whatnot. I last hiked this in 2003, so I have basically zero memories of this trail from then, other than at the end we were hiking through fog and clouds and the sounds of rolling thunder, which was terrifying.

The trail immediately descended, which obviously meant the majority of the rest of the hike would be uphill. soon the snowpack was encountered, which made the hiking dicey at times. then the clouds rolled in and things got chilly again just after everyone but me took off their extra shirts. 1 to 2 miles in, Wally found an arrowhead. this is mind blowing if you've never hiked with Wally. we're kind of used to it by now, but still very impressed. About a half mile after the 3 mile mark in the trail got super icy. the snowpack was too tight and going any further was too risky without microspikes, which none up packed. I forgot to pack my trail snacks and I was having a blood sugar crash, so I had no problem at all with bailing.

On the way back we took (an early) lunch at the junction of the Four Peaks and Oak Flat Trails, which we took a break at 12+ years earlier. It looks a little different now. Read Joe's triplog. there were ants there then. There aren't now. Fires aren't all bad. Wally got bored because we took too long to eat and found yet another ruin simply by walking to the nearest high point.

Skies were clear at the start, then quickly a system came in and made it overcast and colder. Then after the turnaround, it cleared up quickly and seemed to get warmer. Would not have made the dangerous section any better if it would have happened earlier.

On the way back, Andy fell back a bit taking pics, then missed the turn onto 4Peaks Trail to do the loop. Joe and Wally waited for me at the junction with the Amethyst Trail. I stopped to talk and wait for Andy, remembering to look behind to se he was right behind me. But was that before or after the trail junction :-k . I stated that I really didn't want to hike back down that steep climb to where we were to look for him if he was on he way back to the TH anyway, and Wally likes uphills anyway. Joe threw in that maybe we passed a ruin that Andy was checking out. After Joe ran a quarter mile back down the trail, I took my phone out of airplane mode and got in contact with Andy. He did take the wrong turn but figured it out and was on his way towards us. At that point we continued on in confidence that we were not in fact leaving him for dead. He caught with me and Joe a half mile from the Lone Pine TH, Wally was already taking a nap waiting for us there.

We walked back to the car along the road, which was way smoother than the entire road on the way up. the ride back down was just as bumpy, but a bit easier since it was downhill. Looks like the front shock driver side on the Xterra has a back bushing, so that's gotta get fixed now. The thumping sound was noticed on the way down after a unforeseen rut, but such it life. Very similar to the aborted hike I did back in 2010 or 2009 where that was an issue on FR442(?) off the junction of 143 and the road to Lone Pine.

Overall, very nice hike. Great scenery and fun times with a crew. Got home without major incident. Looking forward to making another trip up there before another 10 years passes by.
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 Mesa, AZ
Pigeon Springs LoopPhoenix, AZ
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adillingTriplogs 402
Hiking3.60 Miles 824 AEG
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I was invited on this hike by DarthStiller and he said Joe and Wally would be joining as well. I have never been on this trail, and I have not yet hiked with Joe. So, I said “I’m in”

The drive up Four Peaks road from Hwy 87 very smooth and pleasant. Except for the 20 miles of wash boarding, water eroded sections, rocky bits and non-stop jarring. Yeah, I knew that road is bad.

It was a little chilly at the start and the jacket I had on did not stay on long. The sun tried to come out and did manage to shine a little, but it was cloudy or mostly cloudy for most of the hike.

The plan was to start the loop for the Pigeon Springs TH and do the loop clockwise. We also intended to extend the hike a little by hiking down the AZT Section 19 a little. In all, we hoped to get in 10-12 miles total.

There was a good amount of snow pack/ice on trails in the shadowy bits of the trail, especially along the AZT section. We decided the icy and steep conditions at about 1.5 miles from the Pigeon Springs Trail and Four Peaks Trail was enough. So, we turned around there.

On the way back to complete the loop, I was distracted by a little waterfall and the others kept going. I could see them ahead from time to time, so, when I hit the junction of the Pigeon Springs Trail and Four Peaks Trail, I just kept going. After a while, I started thinking to myself - “why am I not catching up to them and why are the boot prints all facing the opposite direction I am going??”. I decided to take a look at Route Scout and I confirmed my suspicions that I was on the wrong trail.

My hiking companions noticed I was not behind them as well, and I guess Joe and Chris decided to draw straws on who would tell my wife that I was unfortunately eaten by bears while wandering off the loop. Chris decided to call me (there is actually cell service in some spots up there). I confirmed that I did not take the turn off, was not eaten by bears and was presently on the correct trail, huffing and puffing up the hill to catch up.

I did eventually rejoin the hike and we made it back to the trailhead.

The drive down Four Peaks was just a pleasant as the drive up. Towards the end, the StillerMobile began to cry out in pain by make thunking sounds over every bump (and there were many, many bumps). Let’s hope its nothing serious.

It was a nice hike, in a nice area. The recent fires did burn up quite a bit of this area, but many parts survived as well. It’s always a good day to hike with Chris and Wally, and it was a pleasure to finally meet Joe. Thanks for the invite.
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joebartelsTriplogs 5,894
Hiking6.98 Miles 1,746 AEG
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El Oso - FR143
If you did not like the drive previously, you're going to hate it now. Any sedan that miraculously conquers 15-ish miles will unlikely negotiate one washed-out ravine filled with rocks no smaller in diameter than one foot on average.

Pigeon Trail #134 is well defined. Areas of green and a few trees escaped the beautiful mosaic burn. Mild brush, shorts-friendly for all but power whiners. Several ravines had a light flow from rain/snow a week ago. Occasional patchy 1-2 inch packed snow covered the trail.

We intended to hike Four Peaks Trail #130 out-n-back to Black Bear Saddle in hopes of witnessing a sleuth of bears. The northern slopes of the ravines were getting too dicey. Everyone mutually agreed to skip the final two miles to the famed sloth-ridden saddle.

On break early for lunch, I randomly suggested a ruin over on a knoll for Wally to check out as a joke. Naturally, he found a lost city or such. Lunch was history by 10:30 and the sun busted out! It wasn't really cold but it sure was nice to shake that dirty feeling of winter gloom.

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The curiosity of the Bush Fire aftermath brought us in and the dead of winter turned us around. I was excited to visit Pigeon #134 since it'd been ten years. These trails will be yawners to sportos, deweebs, etc but even with the burn I still like 'em. This was the shortest group hike I recall but my prior 24-mile minimum was falling on deaf ears...lol Great to finally meet Andy too!
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Shake Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout The elusive spring is unknown but the creek is flowing well
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The day started with an early morning ride/bounce out to the Pigeon Springs Trailhead. Four Peaks road has seen better days. The morning was brisk but nice once you got moving on the trail. Trail conditions were good with the exception of some melted and refrozen snow that made the Four Peaks trail a no go without yaktrax or spikes. We turned back and stopped for lunch. Joe sent me up a hill to find a ruin and then we continued on. We temporarily lost Andy but he found his way back. Nice hike but be ready for slick trails on north facing slopes for the immediate future.
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Oak Flat Trail #123Payson, AZ
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Up Oak Flat then NOBO to finish some miles on AZT#21 that I had missed, returned via PS loop. Big views but tedious road walking.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Shake Spring Dripping Dripping
Pools and trickle flow in the drainage below the spring. Pigeon Spring had water in the box and muddy downhill ground. Didn't drink from either.
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Tracey had her birthday off and she wanted something 'reasonably' cool in temperature as well as views.
Hmmm, let's see, we hadn't done Brown's Peak in some time so maybe... NOPE!
She put her foot down fast on that one, you know, the 30% chance of thunderstorms after 11 am.
:scared:
I know... she just doesn't want to climb Browns Peak, probably EVER again.
:bdh:
I'm still set on driving up that way so we settled for a counter-clockwise Pigeon Spring Loop.
(Note spring singular as there is only one spring)

Since she's not one want anything but a nice hike on her birthday, little did she know just how much excitement she'd have on this birthday.

On the way up Four Peaks Road (FR 143) a few miles before the top we noticed a large cross. Having driven this road many a time over the years I had never noticed something this obvious, so it had to be recent. We glanced at it on our way but didn't stop, figuring we'll investigate further on the return trip. (We will, later...)

No vehicles at the Lone Pine TH so we had a very peaceful start. The clouds over Four Peaks appeared to be thinning out but we took our rain gear just in case.

We began on Four Peaks Trail #130 and hadn't gone a quarter mile before we encountered light sprinkles. But even at 72 degrees the humidity was such that I was loathe to put on my rain jacket. When the sprinkles continued I draped it over me to shield my camera if we should get a quick cloud-burst, but luckily the sprinkles soon stopped and the rest of the hike would be dry... except for the wet brush along the trails, of which there was plenty.

There were a few spots of over-growth along Trail #130 before the Pigeon Trail #134 intersection but they were of little consequence. However, between that intersection and the #130/#123 intersection (concurrent with AZT#20) there was a bit more over-growth. In a few spots the trail was completely blocked so I used my small pruning clipper to make a path.

But with branches as large as 1" in diameter it took a number of attempts before cutting through. If I had known this ahead of time I would have brought along my folding pruning saw, which was back in the Jeep.
:whistle:
Oh well... But if this growth continues, by next March through-hikers may have a bit harder time passing through this area.

Although it was still early when we reached the #130/#123 intersection, we were both famished so it was lunch time. The last time we were here (March 2015) this area was well shaded, but now after the fire (earlier this year I think?) we had no shade to speak of... at least where there was a comfortable place to sit.
:-({|=
Lunch over, time to begin the return trip. It shouldn't be a big deal, it's all downhill from... whoa! hold on just a minute, it's ALL UPHILL from here.
:sweat:
Once we passed through the areas I had trimmed and hit the Pigeon Trail things went pretty well. It seemed after each short steeper section there would be a flatter area to catch our breath before the next climb. It was still plenty humid though so again I found myself drenched from head to toe.
:sweat:
We took the short detour so we could say we at least SAW Pigeon Spring but kept on going. Back at the TH there was a man & his dog lazily wandering around before eventually heading out on the Four Peaks Trail like we had earlier.

Ok, our loop is complete but we aren't ready to head home yet so we drove north along FR 422 to check out future campsites. We took a short out-and-back hike to the end of FR 1351 but every halfway flat spot to pitch a tent on had an ant hill taking up residence.
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Farther north along FR 422 we did find a couple nice spots which we will keep in mind for our next two-day camping trip.

On the drive back down FR 143 we stopped to see what the private memorial was all about. It looks to be a pretty solid welded steel plate cross cemented into the boulder. Upon further investigation, it is for a man who was shot in North Tonawanda NY back on January 10, 2016. I can only assume it was placed there by his parents who I believe live in Mesa.
Whatever... the FS knows about it and is determining what to do about it.

In no hurry to get home we were taking a leisurely drive on FR 143. As we turned the corner by Cline TH there were two pickups, one with its back end off the road. The second pickup was just another guy who was driving by but had no means to help the one stuck, seemingly sticking around to see if other help would arrive. It did... and it was us!

I didn't ask, but it appears the guy was turning around and backed into the ditch. Although it was a 4x4 it would not engage and by this time had dug his wheels in pretty good. (bad?)
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I didn't have my winch this trip, only a short strap with metal hooks on each end. It was NOT designed for this so I was a bit gun-shy. Let's just say I did not want a repeat of a past-life experience with flying metal hooks, my 'duck!' reflex isn't near what it used to be.

Ok, we're hooked up, I put it in 4-low with both lockers on, took up the slack and tried to go. Nope, as I figured, the hard surface with a healthy coating of loose pea-gravel provided no traction whatsoever. So... just how much slack should I give before taking a run at it? I tried a 5-foot run at it and just got a grunt but the pickup didn't move.
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Ok, so now we have to get serious! The strap was hooked as low as possible on both vehicles so hopefully if we have a flying hook, it won't come through any windows.
I figured one last yank and if he's not out, too bad, we're outta here. So I backed up to provide about ten feet of slack and just hit the gas. BAM! The pickup was out of the ditch!
:y:
Hopefully the 4WD not engaging would be his only issue to fix, but when I looked at his right rear tire, it was so heat-checked with dry-cracks and even a piece of the sidewall gone so the cords were visible I told him this is a blow-out just waiting to happen.
:scared:
Whatever, it's his problem now and we headed on down the road. Because we were in no hurry, we let the guy in the other truck pass us, only to find him off the road a few miles farther on. So here's this guy standing next to his truck with a sheepish grin on his face, waiting for us to arrive.
:whistle:
He took one corner a bit too wide and his right front tire dug into a huge bank of soft pea-gravel, and of course the first instinct is to turn the wheel left... only to dig it in deeper.
:tt:
While it wasn't really funny, it was, because his son (5 years old?) had told him to slow down a while back but he didn't, and had paid the consequence.
:guilty:
While Tracey kept the boy entertained (well away from the vehicles) we got his truck hooked up
to the Jeep and this time, even with a bit better traction I decided one good yank is all we need, and that's just what it took. With profuse thanks he was on his way before we got turned back around.

I joked with Tracey that I should have told the guy it would cost him $100 to pull him out. If he said, wait, you didn't charge the other guy anything I'd say, well, based on his old beater truck that's probably all he could afford, but you have a brand new truck, so it will cost you... besides, you shouldn't put your 5 year old in danger like that.
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We had no further adventures but Tracey will be sure to remember this birthday for a long time.
:y:
All's well that ends well, I guess.
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Pigeon Trail #134Phoenix, AZ
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Had an opportunity to join Sredfield and some other volunteers on the Four Peaks segment of the AZT to replace some trail signs that had burned in last years fire, or were simply old and needed to be replaced.

It was a good day, and we managed to get four new signs placed. These things will last a while! The posts are fat and buried deep!

The sign at Shake Spring was a bit of a mystery as nobody had ever seen Shake Spring before, and there are no signs of any water. The fire had burned the hillside where the topo maps mark the spring, and sure enough, there's a spring box there along with a lot of barbed wire. But no sign of any natural groundwater. We put the sign up anyway since just below the spring is a drainage with a pretty reliable source of water. The drainage holds all the water that comes off of about a mile and a half of ridge that includes Browns Peak as the high point--basically the entire north side of Browns. So while the drainage isn't named, it regularly has flowing water. But it is not fed by Shake Spring, which is dry, and shows no signs of ever running again.

The barbed wire was a mystery too. Perhaps it divided old grazing land? It was strange to see a spring box built just 20 yards from such a reliable creek/drainage. :-k

There was nice water flowing in a couple of the other drainages as well. Nice to see that kind of water at this elevation after a winter with basically no snow melt.

HAZTracks worked great and didn't turn off for me despite long "breaks" when installing signs. Battery life was surprisingly awesome, until it went from 63% to 3% in about 5 minutes. Must have been an iOS/battery monitor anomaly. I turned it off as soon as I realized it had depleted so much. But that was at our last sign so I had a full one-way track on the out-n-back which was more than enough to get my stats for the day. Nice to have the squawking birds and the volume is better now too. Thanks Joe! :app:
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Pigeon Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Light flow, plenty of clean water in the spring box.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Shake Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
The spring itself is dry. The adjacent drainage had a very nice flow of water, cascades, and nice pools.
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Nice cool day. No others no the trail. Nice water features.
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Awesome loop! Still snow on the north side of the 4 peaks. Didn't see another soul on the trail. Trail is a bit overgrown in areas. Water was running everywhere. Dragged my wife out for this one and we were both having some difficulties breathing at the mile high altitude. Conditions were perfect today!
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JJ needed help getting his Jeep dirty and putting more miles on it, so I started looking for Hikes in the area. This seemed perfect!!! Plus I would have time to tease the Largemouth at the other end of the Shuttle.... :DANCE: Turns out I would only have one tease me.... : rambo :

I thought about chasing after JJ and starting my Hike on the same AZT segment he was starting on, which is also the Pigeon Trail. But I knew, with that portion of the Loop being a new Trail to me, I would be shooting too many pics and I would have fallen behind after the first 200 feet.... :sweat: Besides that, I have done the upper portion of the Four Peaks Trail, going up, twice already, and really wanted a fresh view, going down for a change.... :D Not that it really mattered, I pretty much found out that it's a Roller Coaster, either way.... :sweat:

So we parked the Jeep at the Pigeon TH and JJ shot down the Trail like a Rabbit on a mission, and I plodded up the road towards the Lone Pine Saddle like a Tortoise that just ate dinner... :lol: I was actually feeling pretty good after a kind of crummy week, so I was moving along at an ok clip, considering that it is uphill to the Saddle. I really didn't anticipate taking very many pictures on the Four Peaks portion since I've done it before. I even had a brief thought of trying to beat JJ to the Junction, and then giving him some s*** about it, but I soon found out that there would be no hope of that!!! :D

The Oaks are Peaking full force up there. :y: I got into some on the Four Peaks Trail, but most of the masses of them were further up. I think the Brown's Trail would have been the one to be on to put you right in the middle of them....But there were enough of them along the Four Peaks Trail to keep me busy....Sooooo, out came the Camera, and the Roller Coaster ride with pictures began. My thoughts of banging this Loop out at a nice pace were pretty much trashed. Pumpkin Oaks!!! They were cutting into my Fishing time!!! : rambo : :D

Looked for Bear Spring, but without a GPS, I just don't think you can find it, although I spent probably about 20 minutes or so in the area looking around where I thought it should be, according to the Topo...

60 pictures later, I finally got to the Junction. At that point JJ was probably already at Mill Ridge... :sweat: Up Pigeon Trail I go. The Oaks almost disappeared, but I actually got some nice shots of a Sycamore getting ready for winter...I also got to play with a couple of Tarantulas that were probably only about 300 feet apart, on the Trail. :) That was about the closest I got to any Fauna that I saw on this Loop. There were quite a few quick Lizards and a couple of skittish Woodpeckers....Lots of Butterflies still flitting around too, mostly Sulphurs that rarely land within 30 feet of you.

I kept expecting a big uphill on this Trail, with the AEG being what it is, but it never really happened. Pigeon was kind of a Roller Coaster too, on a smaller scale. I think the AEG is just spread out very nicely on this Loop with all of the ups and downs. :) Pigeon Trail is pretty nice too, but like Four Peaks, the Flora is in danger of overtaking the Trail in spots as well. Nice views of Roosevelt and the Vistas beyond and all of the sudden before I knew it, I was at Pigeon Spring and almost done with the Hike. The Springbox and Spring area were both dry. One short climb later and I was at the Jeep. That had to be one of the easiest 900 foot AEG Hikes I have ever done. I can only recall stopping twice because I was winded. Of course, the 85 picture set probably helped some too.... :roll:

This is a nice little Loop! I thoroughly enjoyed it, ended up taking my time, took a couple of little breaks, just to enjoy the area, more so than just needing the rest. If I was looking for just a small, nice Hike in the area, I would do this one again. : app :
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I haven't done the Four-Peaks trail in years. The last time we turned around half way through due to the number of deadfall and overgrowth. I was told that the deadfall was cleaned up.

We parked the Jeep at the Pigeon spring TH and took off. I went off to the Mills Ridge TH and Fan took a leisurely pace. The temps got really warm below the 5,000 mark and hot below 4,000.
The dead fall and the 4 foot canopy of overgrowth has been cleaned up on the Mills Ridge side. There's some really dense overgrowth on from the middle of the trail over to the Adler Saddle intersection and around the Pigeon Springs intersection. I felt like I was swimming in overgrowth.

I did my usual exploring around. I tried to check out the Oak Flat trail, but it was almost not passable due to the overgrowth of branches.

We didn't see anyone on the trails and only two vehicles at the Lone Pine TH.
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Feb 12 2011
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 Mesa, AZ
Four Peaks - AZT #20Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Tortoise_HikerTriplogs 3,652
Hiking19.35 Miles 7,000 AEG
Hiking19.35 Miles   10 Hrs   30 Mns   1.84 mph
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Joe,Bruce,Dave and I all meet up(4:45 :o ) to knock out another passage of the AZT. This trail sounded hard so we wanted to start by 7:00 to have enough daylight to finish.It took a little longer to set up shuttle so we didn't start until 7:30 or so.This trail turned out to be in better shape then I thought it would be. It did have a little overgrowth but we seemed to make it through that ok. No real route finding issues.The biggest issue was the 5-6 miles of frozen snow.It was very slick in places.The lack of coordination :o didn't help :scared: .I managed to hit the ground at least three times.I know they say leave only footprints (butt) I left more than that.The views of the lakes (Roosevelt,Apache) and mountain ranges were awesome.You travel through a variety of vegetation like Sagurao,Prickly Pear,Manzanita,Pine,just to name a few.There were also a few rock slide areas,cliffs,running creeks,dry water falls,frozen waterfalls,boulders,and snow covered trails.The views of Four Peaks up close from the east side were Awesome!Alhough this was a lot of climbing it was broken up in 4 or 5 smaller climbs so it didn't seem to wear me out quite as bad.We finished with about 15 minute of daylight to spare.Joe was a little under the weather but toughed it out.We wouldn't have left you,really :D .This was a great hike with great company finished off with a slice of Big Daddy's Pizza!!!MmmMmm.Thanks Gentlemen,for another great hike!!!
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Feb 12 2011
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 Tucson, AZ
Four Peaks - AZT #20Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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azdesertfatherTriplogs 1,145
Hiking19.87 Miles 7,657 AEG
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One of the best segments yet. Views of the Apache Lake in several areas, and views of Roosevelt almost the entire way. Perfect weather, nice saguaro views, and a frozen waterfall thrown in too. Lots of javelina tracks and 3-4 times I smelled them as the wind blew, but unable to find them or their bedding spots. It didn't take long, surprisingly, to start hitting snow. It was patchy along the trail at 4500', and by 5000' it was all over the trail, typically about 3" deep. Some places it was still a little powdery on top which was ok; the problem was in (most) areas where the sun had melted it on top and then it had refrozen. These areas were hard, and slicker than snot. ;)

Oh, and the best way to top things off? Some of the best pizza ever, compliments of Denny.

Slightly different numbers from the rest of our crew, based on my GPS/DemSync.
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Dec 02 2008
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Pigeon Springs LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking3.60 Miles 650 AEG
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This was a fun trail to hike. The steepest part was from the Four Peaks Trail instersection to the Amethyst Trail intersection.

The road in was really bumpy. We took our Mitsubishi Lancer, and it made me extremely carsick on the way out, but we didn't have any car issues.
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 Gold Canyon, AZ
Pigeon Springs LoopPhoenix, AZ
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AZLOT69Triplogs 2,215
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As the warm weather persists, I continue to seek out treasures at higher altitudes. This hike makes for a complete day outting with a backcountry drive and a pleasant hike. If you are following the trail via topo and GPS, the trail does not appear on many versions of software, rest assurred, the trail is there and signed.
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Sep 28 2007
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Brown's, Amethyst & Four Peaks LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking7.00 Miles 1,972 AEG
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Sure would be nice IF there was a helicopter service available to the upper Lone Pine TH from the Hwy87/FR143(Four Peaks Rd) intersection.. What a body beating that 20ml one way drive on FR143 still is on this washboard, rough, rutty, windy, & hard-rocky road..and..especially so when trying to drive it in a short wheel-based vehicle. We averaged 15 to 20mph in 1hr-15min to finally arrive the TH at 9:45am. Good thing that we had planned a sane outing this day with more actual trail maintenance planned than hiking. We had some new "by-pass garden pruners" that we wanted to break-in on these trails to give back a little by trimming some excessive trail overgrowth while hiking this loop.

This Friday was a mostly cloudy, overcast day with some nice breezes that made for a comfortable trail maintenance day and enjoyable hiking day in our Four Peaks Wilderness. Our main goal was to tackle the badly overgrown Amethyst Tr#253, but in the process we were also able to clean-up about 3/4 of the entire Browns Trail#133 to its intersection with the Amethyst Tr#253. We had lunch further up at Browns Saddle when I confirmed by looking up at the hiking route to summit Browns Peak, that I would not have any future reason or need to attempt that HAZ hike! I will now be content "just viewing" Browns Peak from a distance while driving North and South on Hwy#87 :) ..

The main loop connector trail, the Amethyst Trail, is in fairly bad shape. Mostly a serious downhill, many washed-out areas and loose-rocky-rutted sections, with a lot of manzanita overgrowth for the last two-thirds of the trail. As always happens when I plan this type of hike, I end up spending too much time cutting trail overgrowth in the beginning, when the real need is usually further back in on more remote trail sections. We were able to accomplish some good trail clean-up for about the first one-third of the Amethyst Tr distance, but we needed to stop cutting at 3:20pm and start hiking..

When you arrive at the lower end of the Amythest Tr/Four Peaks Tr#130 intersection(5835'), IF you turn LEFT, you will take the route back to the TH as per this hike description. We turned RIGHT on the Four Peaks Tr and hiked about .3mls to the next intersection with the PIGEON TR#134(5630'). This very scenic (with numerous views of Roosevelt Lake & beyond to the East) and easy to follow 2ml trail which is also part of the Arizona Trail , makes it way back to an official TH end at FR648, on this same road we drove in on just 1/2ml below where we parked our vehicle at the Upper Lone Pine TH.
I recommend trying this alternate loop option which will make the total loop hike about 7mls instead of 4.15mls. Having now hiked both trails, I enjoyed Tr#134 much more than hiking back to the TH via the Four Peaks Tr#130..Also, there is parking at this PIGEON TH for two vehicles.
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
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Day 1:
Set up the shuttle then started about 1.5 miles north of FR 143 / 422 junction and went south to Pigeon Spr TH. From there we continued and camped at Shake Spr.

Day 2:
Shake Spr to Granite Spr.

Day 3:
Easy hike out, stopped and explored the ruin areas.
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