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Verde River #11 - Twin Buttes to River - 8 members in 15 triplogs have rated this an average 3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Whiterock Mesa - AZT #25Payson, AZ
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GrangerGuyTriplogs 111
Backpack24.00 Miles 3,031 AEG
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As part of AZT in a Day 2021, I hiked the Saddle Ridge section, the now decommissioned section of the AZT down to Segment 25, and then on down 6 miles of the AZT #25 to the East Verde River. I camped at Polk Spring, which is a pretty nice spot. The next day I reversed my trek.

At many places along the route, the grass and flowers had overtaken the trail, even hiding the cairns, I had to pay attention to make sure I did not get off track. All in all, this is a pretty segment, with good views of the Mazatzals much of the way.

The road directions to the Twin Buttes TH (linked) were helpful. Beware there may be a huge puddle in the road, of uncertain depth, just where it leaves Strawberry. I was glad I had my Cherokee.
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The top part of the trail was overwhelmed with fields of Goldeneye, Heliomeris Longfolia var annua. I also saw a smattering of Mexican Creeping Zinnia (Sanvitalia Procumbens), Tansyleaf tansyaster (Machaeranthera tanacetifolia), and white prickly poppy.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Polk Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
The water pours out of the ground and feeds a cute little stream alongside the campsite.

dry Red Saddle Tank Dry Dry
Totally dry. Saw some very disappointed cows and horses here hoping for water.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Rock Creek Medium flow Medium flow
Good flow where it empties into East Verde River.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Whiterock Spring Dripping Dripping
Tank was completely full. Some algae in the bottom, but clear on top.
 
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Twin-Cane-Hogan, AZ 
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MountainMattTriplogs 530
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A fast paced jaunt into the wilderness with a buddy of mine.
Tripping on malapai, kicking cactus and endless seemingly “boring” cedar country is not for everyone but I love it so much out here and constantly marvel, wonder and dream of everything out here in this truly massive wilderness.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Bull Tank 76-100% full 76-100% full

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Hardscrabble Creek Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Hieroglyphic Tanks 76-100% full 76-100% full
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 Mesa, AZ
Twin Buttes Out & Back, AZ 
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CannondaleKidTriplogs 2,411
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Since we were already out this way to cache water for Tracey's upcoming AZT #25 backpack, we figured we might as well drive another mile to the Twin Buttes trail head of the Verde River Trail.
Although we did not go very far, it was more than enough that neither of us cared to continue, nor ever to return.
Enough said...
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 Gilbert, AZ
Upper Mazatzal Loop, AZ 
Upper Mazatzal Loop, AZ
 
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jacobemerickTriplogs 232
Backpack51.92 Miles 9,373 AEG
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1st trip
After traipsing around the wilderness for three years, this adventure completes the last of the Mazatzal trails for me. Saved this one for last, as it was one of the OG planned routes and I figured that I would need every bit of experience, both in terms of hiking and gear, in order to knock it out in two days.

FR 194
Road walking in the dark. Bumped into two hunters, didn't even realize the season was starting in a few days.

Saddle Ridge #14
Once my eyes adjusted from the two-track to a single track it was pretty easy going. Cairns are big and tread is (usually) easy to make out, a dark line in the light grass, even with no moon to speak of and a few dozen candles strapped to my head. Sun waited until I was 4 miles in before it began to lighten the sky. After that it was smooth sailing, easy going over the pleasant trail, and the snow-dusted North Peak beckoned me onward with icy promises. Watered up at Whiterock Spring, which is heckin' beautiful. Only annoying section is that drop off of Polles Mesa, that got a little painful. Briefly checked out Polk Spring and then crossed the East Verde with little fanfare. That half mile of trail on the south side dragged.

Bull Spring #34
The haul up and over Copper Mountain was just enough to warm me up. It's better defined than I remembered - then again, last year, I had been stumbling down this way hours after sunset, so I may have been biased. Conceded to giving my legs a twenty minute break near Bullfrog Spring to down some water and caffeine before the main climb of the day. Then it was off to the races, a steady march up to the pass, and I passed the time looking around at the other roads criss-crossing their way up these hills. The tread on this trail is smooth and easy enough to let the eyes wander, a rare treat in the Mazzies.

Trail began to fade immediately after the AZT junction, which is to be expected, though it was never hard to track through the waist-high brush, even without a cairn in sight. Beyond the pass there are two minor drainages to swing through, the first of which has an old mining exploration and trailside tank to check out, before the drop into the valley of Bull Spring(s). Along the way I began to pick up the smell of something big and dead and I wondered if something would be fouling up one of the two water sources ahead (ick!) or if I'd stumble upon a kill (yay?). Never found the source of the smell. Anyways, took a break at Bull Spring to pull up to full capacity, struggled a bit to find a steady tread in the area, and then proceeded to LF Hilton, which is in rough shape.

Wet Bottom #269
One of the two sections of trail that I feared the most - yet it had such a great start. No sign at the junction by the cabin, just a curve in the trail. As soon as it crosses the drainage a steady line of cairns show up (a promising sight, after the cairn-free Bull Spring Trail) and a wide, rocky tread marches up the hillside. I was feeling a little tired at this point (over 20 miles behind me) and I noticed, with some dismay, that after the climb there was a second little drainage and valley to walk through. At least there were some good rock tanks down here, so I took the time to guzzle one of my bladders and refill it.

The west side of the valley marked an important point. First, there's a spur trail to Childer's Seep (which I didn't have the time or energy to check out today). Also, it marks the edge of the Willow Fire boundary. This, this is what I was looking forward to the most: a Mazatzal trail near 5000', south of the East Verde, that was spared from that fire. It was immediately gratifying. Old junipers and pinyons and other trees that I'm not smart enough to name (no ponderosas) clustered on the top of this mesa. The route swung back and forth, offering views north to Limestone and south to Wet Bottom Creek and Midnight Mesa, mostly shaded along the way. The cairns were large and the tread, even when it was covered by low branches, was well-defined. I did lose it a few times, either due to impatience or grassy sections.

When the trail began to drop is when it got harder and harder to follow. There were a few obvious re-routes done in more recent years that deviated from my track and, sometimes, didn't even make sense to me. One particularly memorable example was where the route dropped steadily down a drainage with small, humble cairns, only to suddenly be re-routed 300 yards for a mild switchback using huge, chest-high cairns, and then revert back to the little rock piles and original tread. And then, below contour 4400', the trail hugs the north side of a ridge and all bets are off, with game trails, thick growth, and loose ground all conspiring to cause mayhem. I fought this for almost an hour and made a mile of progress and decided to call it a night.

Found a pleasant saddle with a flat spot protected by a large pinyon and quickly set up camp, getting the basic structure in before light left the sky. After the initial rush I took my time boiling water for dinner and tea before settling in with the Kindle. By eight I was completely out and, with the exception of a few rollovers, slept right through the night, one of the better sleeps I've had outside. Woke up an hour before light and just barely got my camp packed up before it started to drizzle. Made oatmeal and coffee under the soft, inconsistent patter of tiny droplets.

The final four miles of trail passed by quickly, becoming steadily better defined the closer I got to the next junction. The only nasty bit was a valley (more like a mesquite maze surrounded by a moat of catclaw) that I eventually did find a way, but not the right way, through. Took a while to pick up the trail on the far side. Squaw Butte became more defined as I descended and the morning drizzle faded in and out, never enough to warrant taking my poncho out for. Reached Highwater at 900, which was the planned campsite for last night, putting me a solid 3 hours behind schedule.

Highwater #20
Feels like I was just on this thing. Watered up at Canyon Creek, otherwise kept my feet moving northward. The rain and mist was starting to thicken and I was started to get worried that my contingency plan (spending a second night out here) might not work with these cold temps and wet weather. This time I followed the trail all the way to the proper junction w/ Verde and found a lonely pole, no sign, to mark it.

Verde River #11
The second feared section of trail, and it was... impeccable. Seriously. It is in at least, if not better, as good of condition as Highwater. Shortly after the junction it cuts right down to the river with a series of rocky switchbacks and then, complete with good cairns, marches along the sandy banks with a few jumps to avoid different obstacles. The first two miles has a lot of bovine traffic, and they stuck to the tread. I was surprised to see a well-defined trail so remote and took advantage of it, putting on the afterburners to make up time.

Rain was coming down pretty steady by now, which, coupled with the wet brush, had my shirt, pants, and boots completely soaked. The temps were in the mid-50s so, as long as I kept moving, this wasn't a problem. Thanks to the well-defined trail and flat going there was no real need to stop, so I didn't. Sure, there were plenty of cool things to take photos of (Squaw Butte kept stealing the show, but there was also Red Wall Rapids, a few very rugged washes, and even a campsite or two), and there were also long stretches of straight path through creosote. Things got a little hairy near the end, when I got impatient on the far side of 2878' and decided to take a more direct route instead of backtracking to the tread and had to play spider-monkey on some rock walls above the Verde. Made it to the East Verde in one piece and let a deep sigh out - it was almost all known trail from here.

Watered up, changed socks, and launched towards the final 11 miles with just a hair over three hours of daylight left. Initial climb to Deadman Mesa Trail was new ground and was steep and rocky and simple to follow. Then I swung east and began the long climb to Twin Buttes. There were two things that I wasn't ready for. The first was fogged glasses... the harder I climbed, the more I steamed, and harder it was to see, which forced me to take periodic breaks to wipe the fog away (cue flashbacks to Midwest hiking). Second was the mud. Everyone complains about the rocks on this trail, yet the mud is so much worse. Even a 20' section of mud would add pounds of clay to each boot, weighing me down and throwing my balance off. I would pray for rocks just to knock some of the clods off.

This quickly became a muddy death march. Thankfully the trail is easy to follow and I could dedicate my focus on sliding one foot in front of the other and not hunting cairns. At least I saw some elk, and cattle, and even a very fat rabbit to break things up. Was within a mile of the boundary when I had to haul out the headlamp, which didn't help at all, and I stumbled-tripped, all balance and coordination wiped out by the haul, in a generally correct direction until, ten feet from the metal posts, a pair of headlights flipped on and completely blinded me. Two hunters (a different set) were very friendly and offered me a ride back down to my Jeep below, which I couldn't agree to fast enough.

Mazatzal Miles: 275/275 (100%)
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Along the Verde, so lovely.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Bee Tree Tanks 26-50% full 26-50% full
Super muddy. A gang of elk were going to town in it.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Bull Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Both cement trough and metal ring were full of clear water, minimal green stuff near bottom, tasted great.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Bull Trap Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Plenty of shallow pools, tho Bull Spring up a ways seemed more appealing / dependable.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max East Verde River Medium flow Medium flow
Plenty of water, though there are still dry crossing spots if you hunt for a bit.


water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Polk Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Beautiful area, lots and lots of water.

dry Red Metal Tank Dry Dry
Nothing.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Red Saddle Tank 51-75% full 51-75% full
Lots of mud, murky water would be hard to reach and totally not worth it.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Rock Creek Heavy flow Heavy flow
Almost as much water flowing into the E Verde as... the E Verde itself.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Saddle Ridge Pasture Tank 76-100% full 76-100% full

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Whiterock Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Tank was overflowing with clear, cold water.
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Northern Mazzy March, AZ 
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MountainMattTriplogs 530
Hiking10.10 Miles 1,443 AEG
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Another bone hunting hike utilizing the Twin Buttes trail to get me into some areas I figured would boast some good options.
I rented a Hyundai Accent for the weekend and made it all the way to the Saddle Ridge intersection along the Twin Buttes road in the little egg car.
Little did I know some of these new cars automatically lock?
I got out to take a leak upon arrival and sure enough the wind blew the door shut and with the keys on the driver seat I was locked out! ](*,)
Luckily I had my cellphone and some service otherwise I would have been in trouble as all my gear including my water was locked inside.
An hour and a half later and AAA finally showed up and I was back in action with luckily 5 hours of daylight which did make a change in plans of descending into the depths of one of the many rugged canyons in the area.

I kept a puffy on the first 45 min of hiking because it just stayed abnormally cold and windy even with a bit of sunshine.
Besides giant jackrabbits I literally did not encounter another animal which was disappointing.

The highlight of the the trip was finding ruins along with plenty of pottery sherds and obsidian, I knew this whole area has Indian history from @hansenaz many detailed reports but just did not expect to find anything unintentionally.

Crossed down into and out of the head of the mighty "Gorge" that cuts through the land, one day I would really love to explore its entire length as well as the nearby Greenhorn Canyon as I'm aware of the gems that reside inside.

I really love this area and see myself spending quite a bit of time here especially whenever I finally get a new truck!
I also noticed I unintentionally made a near perfect circle with my track when viewed on the map, sometimes loops are not the easiest but they are certainly much more satisfying than a out and back.
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dry Bull Tank Dry Dry
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout


dry Wilderness Tank Dry Dry
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Verde River / Deadman Mesa, AZ 
Verde River / Deadman Mesa, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Jun 24 2017
jacobemerickTriplogs 232
Backpack27.91 Miles 4,568 AEG
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With most of the Mazatzal trails south and east of Chilson Camp knocked out I figured it was time to look in the other direction. Can't get much further northwest than Deadman Mesa #17.

pre-trail
Parked near the powerlines and AZT along 194 and walked the 2.7 miles to Twin Buttes trailhead in the pre-dawn. Almost chilly out. This would be the last time I'd be almost chilly for a long time.

Verde River #11
As others have stated, this trail is rocky. Rocks that rock, rocks that roll, rocks that drop you on your pumpkin and lol. This trail has a lot more than that, though. The views are ridiculously good, starting with the north side of the Mazatzal Mountains and then turning towards Verde / Hardscrabble. There are some genuinely good sections, where the rolly rocks ease up and you can gaze around without watching your step. Plus it's amazing that this is still part of the Mazatzal Wilderness: no wildfire scars, very different terrain compared to the mountainous south, and plenty of shade-giving vegetation. Only had to check GPS once or twice on some faint sections, otherwise this was a breeze to travel. Made it to the trail junction in four hours feeling pretty darn good.

Deadman Mesa #17
Trail sign appears to be gone. Few big cairns marked the junction and a few charred pieces of wood were strewn around, that's it. The cairns marking the start of Deadman Mesa were tiny and obscured by the foxtails - if it wasn't for recent foot traffic pressing some of the vegetation down it would have been annoying to stay on track. Cairns and tracks seemed to give up about 50' above Fossil Creek so I just picked a descent that looked the most painful and rolled down.

Now things get fun. According to the topo maps there are eight crossings to deal with. One of my sandals had fallen off my pack somewhere on the Verde (d'oh! I'll be back on this trail in the fall and will search for it then, until then I'm sorry) so I would either have to do the crossings dry or barefoot. Kept to the track and crossed over some rocks and was faced with an impassable wall of basalt, so I had to backtrack and cross back over, stay on the east bank, and then cross further upstream.

So went the next two miles. I only crossed when I was forced to, usually barefoot and then waiting for feet to dry before hiking a short distance and then re-crossing, making slow and tedious time. Ended up doing six total, might have gotten away w/ only four but the brush got ridiculous. Speaking of, the banks were painful and thorny and had recent flood damage. I only found cairns once where the trail avoided a large swing in the creek - otherwise this section is all bushwhacking. It took me almost five hours to walk those two miles. I'm not a big fan of Fossil Creek right now.

Found where the trail starts the climb up the mesa (someone tagged a few tiny cairns and branches to help with the first hundred feet, so there's that) and camped nearby. Had been tempted to turn this into a dayhike but the heat (well over a hundred now) and the difficult last few miles had taken the oomph right out of me. Napped, swam, drank water, drank some more water, napped again, and eventually drifted off to sleep a bit after sunset. Overnight lows never dropped below 85 (ugh) and a had 2am skunk visitor (yay) so I didn't get much sleep.

Started the climb before sunrise and made it to the basalt fins with the first light. Trail was well-marked and easy to follow, though I suspect downhill would be a bit crumbly and tedious. Plenty of cairns and good tread, especially for being this remote. Route-finding on the mesa was only slightly tougher with thicker vegetation, but a two-track showed up after a mile. Next mile was on-and-off the two-track, then the trail 'ended' (I think, again there were no signs). Then I 'just' followed the road for five miles and 1300' and powerlines for four and a Hardscrabble crossing.

Another quiet day in the Mazzies. Didn't see a single person on trail or on the road sections.

Mazatzal Miles: 143.1/275 (52%) :y:

dry Bills Tank Dry Dry

dry Bull Tank Dry Dry

dry Deadman Tank Dry Dry

dry Hardscrabble Creek Dry Dry
No flow at the mouth. Did not venture upstream to check.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Strawberry Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Some promising pools where it flows into Hardscrabble, under the powerlines.
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Verde River #11 - Twin Buttes to RiverCamp Verde, AZ
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Quick run down the Twin Buttes to the Verde River for an overnight to clear my head. Did a large loop in the area many years ago and brought my daughter with me on this same out-and-back in 2011. You could say that I share a bit of romantic sentiment with for trail. Was surprised to be woke up at about 3:30 with falling snow, so I got my stuff together (no tent) and packed it out earlier than expected.
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Verde River #11 - Twin Buttes to RiverCamp Verde, AZ
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It’s been almost 7 years since I last hiked this section of the Verde River trail. I remembers the trail being rocky, but not this rocky. Did someone bring in more rocks?
The FS put in a new trail-head sign with the correct mileage to the river. There’s also a new vehicle barricade at the wilderness boundary. The barricade is interesting as in it won’t keep any determine people out. Plus it’s not necessary because the TH has posts that block all vehicles except motorcycles.

The hike down to the river was slowly than expected due to the ankle twisting rocks along the way. On my final descent to the river, I spotted 3 canoes going down the river.
I saw cows all the way down to the river. I was surprised to see them that far out. The Verde river trail got choked out by the vegetation along the river. I found it easier (and catclaw free) to follow the cattle paths by the river. The East Verde River crossing was more than I expected. I had to go up and down the river to find a good crossing spot.

Once I crossed the East Verde, the trail went into a grassy shaded area. This helped with the warm temps. I heard some noise and came across the canoes people setting up camp by the river bank. We chatted a bit. I went back to the well-worn trail and it ended at a Verde River overlook. I went back and forth from the last known cairn to the overlook. I couldn't find any other trails. I pulled out the GPS / HAZ track and it showed I just off the trail. The GPS showed that the trail started to climb up and pull away from the river. I still couldn't find it. Then I bushwhacked up a ridge to where the trail should be. I came across a path!, But then I saw something ahead of me. It was a cow :o ! The ‘trail’ lead me to another trail?!?! I was on a series of cattle paths. I set 3 o’clock as my stopping point. If I wasn't on THE trail by then, I would turn around. This is not an area you want to be hiking in the dark. At 3:05 I turned around . The GPS showed I was crisscrossing the trail and I never saw a cairn ( just cattle prints) ](*,) . Or any evidence I was on THE trail. It might be easier to hike this section from south to north.

Along the way back I looked for the Dead Man’s Mesa / Fossil Creek intersection sign. I saw it 7 years ago. I found the trail, but not the sign. The temps were perfect when I started out and got very warm by the river. It got very cold on the way back when I got above 5,000 feet.
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Twin Buttes to Fossil Creek, AZ 
Twin Buttes to Fossil Creek, AZ
 
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Returned to Twin Buttes over weekend. Just a quick trip down to the Fossil for some rest and relaxation.

Blanco and I started just before 7:30 on Saturday. Ideally, I would have liked to hit TH a little earlier, but that was about the best we could do for driving up from Phoenix that morning. Made it to Fossil Creek in about four hours on the dot. We certainly felt some of the heat of the day, but for the most part were sparred its wrath and were playing in the creek by 11:30.

After some fun in the water we both took extended naps. I was still trying to shake a cold so only did some very minor exploring. Initially, I planned on finally picking up where ever Deadman Mesa Trail climbs out of that area and preparing for a loop the next day, but I lost my patience for that section of trail near the Fossil and decided with warm temps I would just out and back it anyways. There was also water the whole way on our return route and Deadman Mesa was unknown, so we went with the safe route on day two.

Left camp earlier then day before on Sunday, hiked out in just under five hours. I was surprised to see the TH bumping when we arrived, all orv people but they were friendly enough.

Blanco and I did just fine with the warmer temps, warm but nothing too unbearable. Blanco rocked his pack both ways and was able to cool off in tanks at four miles, and eight miles, just about perfect distances for the ground we were covering and the hotter weather. Over night temps were perfect for sleeping was able to go pretty light for the trip with no rain fly or sleeping bag.
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Verde River #11 - Twin Buttes to RiverCamp Verde, AZ
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This trip was nothing but a disaster. I headed out with Lily on Friday morning and arrived at the trailhead. It was warmer than I had expected but figured we would be fine (I should have listened to friendofthundergod who warned me it would be warm). Its not the most interesting hike but I hadn't been to this area and figured camping at the river would make it worth it.

There's pretty much no shade for the entire hike. If you find a stretch of shade longer than 15 feet, you're pretty lucky. I was letting Lily stop and take breaks and everything was fine. I let her cool her feet in a couple of the cow tanks along the way. She started struggling a bit about three miles from the river. I realized quickly that it wasn't the heat-- she'd gashed two of her pads pretty well. I hadn't been expecting that since we've done that kind of mileage on tougher terrain before.

I unfortunately didn't have too many choices about what to do. I didn't have enough water to dry camp and make it out the next day. Since I expected to only be pulling water from the river, I didn't bring my pump-- I had my steripen. Had I brought my pump, I could have camped above the river and pulled water from one of the cow tanks (pumped and chemically treated to be safe). We would have to make it down to the river.

Luckily, I had packed her boots just in case something happened. They were a life saver. She was still hurting, but we managed to make it down to the river with lots of breaks and a few stretches of me carrying her. At the river the bug situation was out of control--swarms of gnats. Some cowboys had taken the only nice camp spot in the area so I found a tolerable spot downstream with enough room to set up camp. I quickly went and pulled all the water I would need for the night and following day,made dinner, and then hid from the gnats with Lily inside the tent for the rest of the evening.

I had to figure out what my plan was for the next day. I already had a gimp dog and I didn't want heat to become an issue on the climb out. We would break camp by 6am and make the biggest climb while it was still cool. I expected a slow pace so I figured making it up to 5,000 ft by 10am and back to my truck by noon would be good goals.

I tried to go to bed early and set my alarm to be up in time. I woke up and packed quickly. I skipped breakfast to save time-- two Cliff bars would have to do for the hike out. Lily was moving pretty bad so I was worried at first but once I got her boots on, they seemed to offer her some help. With the sun still behind the ridge, we made pretty respectable time on our first climb. Lily would start slowing down pretty soon and needed lots of breaks. We made it back up to 5,000 ft just after 10am. This left us with about 4 miles but only 800 ft for the warmest part of the morning.

We made it back to my truck at about 11:45. I've never been so happy to be back to a trailhead. Lily passed out on my passenger seat pretty quickly. Lots of lessons learned on this one.
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So much for a 3 day nice hike to river and back.

First important note...we second the triplog of the previous post that the FS map is NOT accurate...it is not 7 miles from trailhead to river.

We parked just outside the private property(ranch) and hiked up to the trailhead. The worn down and bullet busted sign should have been our first clue, but we have seen trailheads worn and torn before and weren't phased.

The cairns, petrified horse poop, cattle hoof prints, and some worn ground/jeep road tracks are the only things that notify you that you're on the trail. A close watch to the turns of the cairns(some we built up because you could not see from one to the other without a good search) is important. The trail is rough...VERY rocky...hardscrabble mesa is a perfect description. The view is plain...except for the wildlife! We were a few feet from at least 4 elk, white tailed deer several times along the trail or off in the distance, coyote, and jack rabbits.

After a dip down into a boulder-canyon...you are only roughly half-way. It's still a couple miles after this that you actually get the first glimpse of the river. We were 70% out of water by this view and with water in sight, we went for it. We did not see any signs indicating the connection with Deadmans trail or the distance to the river. It was the heat of the day and as we descended...it kept heating up.

The descent to the river is steep and cautious footing is a must. The steep descent is combined with loose rock...very hard going with tired legs. One slip & a sprained ankle quickly brought thoughts of how this could be a survival issue. The river definitely takes you in, because around each turn we knew we were closer, but from the view of the river to the actual riverbed is approximately 2 hours of hiking.

When we got to the river, we filtered water and jumped into the river. Our dog(Chesapeake Bay Retriever) booked it down the trail and jumped in before us. The river was refreshing and approx. 5 ft deep in some parts and plenty of it's own wildlife(caught a crayfish near the rapids).

We camped overnight on the riverbed with the mission to get back to the car the next day. Camping anywhere else along the trail would have been a waste of water. We were exhausted already and just ready to be off this trail.

We filtered water to fill every platypus and camelback we had. The first 2 hours were brutal. Steep incline with 40 pd packs after 11 miles the day before. We hiked 2 hours and stopped to take off our packs, eat a protein bar, bandage our feet, and then hiked another 2. The hike back on this trail is essentially all incline. Some parts steeper than others, but all incline.

On our way back through the mesa we lost the trail in a couple places, but with eagerness to get back to the car and the little brain-power left, we managed to track back to the cairns...back to the trailhead...and back to the car! 7 hours to river....8 hours back. Adventure not to be forgotten, but a few lessons learned:

*The maps you read may not always be accurate and certainly do not account for types of terrain. Planning for a hard hike and having it be easy is better than planning for an easy hike and well...
*Build up cairns along the way! It certainly helped to have higher cairns and gave us certain landmarks we remembered because we stopped to build them up.
*Making mental notes of different landmarks(when not watching your step) was helpful especially when our bodies were wearing down.
*Check websites(like this one!) before going out to get an actual account for the hike rather than just maps and FS info.
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Long stroll down to the Verde River and Fossil Creek, return via Deadman Mesa. Typical gnarly, rocky Rim country. Lots of good views though, and any visit to a relatively unspoiled section of Fossil Creek is worth the effort.
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For one thing, never believe the forest service write ups. The FS write up claimed that the Twin Buttes TH was 7 miles to the Verde River. We had parked about a 1/2 mile from the actual TH. We drove to what I had though was the end of FR 194. There's a sign pointing the way to the Verde River trail #11. We parked here in a nice big turn off. The first 1/2 mile of the hike was on a nice jeep road that would be OK for high clearance or 4 x 4 vehicles (I wouldn't take a small SUV on this road, there was some minor steps to contend with). After a 1/2 mile we came to the true TH. There was a pickup truck parked here. The TH is at 5,800 feet and the trail descends to the river from here. We had expected a 14 ~ 15 mile round trip hike. The day was already warm as we started hiking. The trail follows a very old jeep road that had some washed out parts and is very rocky. Even through its a jeep road, you do have to watch for sudden changes in direction. The trail is pretty well marked with cairns. You pass through an old ranch gate. The trail goes by an old corral and there's a spur trail that goes into it. It's very easy to follow this spur trail into the corral. The trail takes a sudden turn to the right at this point. watch out for this. After 8 miles we stopped for a "go - no go" decision. We could see the river in the distance and by using my GPS, I guessed it was another 2 miles out. We had used about 50% to 60% of our water, we decided to go for it and get more water. At this point the had only descend to about 4,400 feet. Shortly after this point, the jeep road turned into a trail and rapidly lost elevation down into the canyon. Near the bottom we seen a sign that said 1 & 1/2 to the river and 9 miles to the TH. We drop some more elevation and as soon as we could, we made it to the Verde River. The river was slightly cool, but the water tasted great (after filtering). We cooled off, rested and drank as much water we could. Now started our long and hot climb out. The temps felt like they were in the mid 90s. The first three miles out were tough in the heat. We had waited until 4;30 for the climb out, so we could be out of the heat of the day. The sun went down about 8PM and it was a full moon this night. The moon was so bright, I had a moon shadow! I was very carful not to lose the trail in the dark. At point I missed one of the quick turns and got off trail. I used my GPS to get back on track. I got back to my Jeep at 10PM. The 14 mile hike turned out to be 22 miles! I went through 9 liters of water this day. This trail should be hiked in early spring or late fall due to the heat.
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I did this as an overnight 6/16 and 6/17. My readings had the trip at around 11 miles from trailhead to river. No matter how rocky you imagine Haqrdscrablle Mesa to be, its' rockier than that, meaning the first six miles.

I was also mislead by the corral. Stupid cows...
I did see a fair bit of deer, especially around the tanks.

About 1.25 miles from the river, already on your way down the serious descent, you encounter a sign held in place by rocks. If you follow the obvious trail to your left, you go to the Verde. If you follow the cairns to the right, you go to Fossil Creek. The FC route is a bit of a bushwhack, but just a bit. They are both about the same distance.

I chose the cairns to Fossil Creek.

So it appears that Deadman and Verde 11 do meet. I was not, however, able to follow the trail very far upstream along Fossil Creek, being preoccupied with the need to get in the water and stay in the water. It was a bit warm coming down....

It didn't get below 70 until well after midnight.

Next morning I tried to find the confluence of Verde and FC, and ended up on a two hour bushwhack up and around the mountain, which used up a lot of energy that I, in retrospect, probably didn't have to spare. Anyway, the fluctuations (read flooding) of Fossil Creek have wiped out any trails downstream. I stumbled onto the Verde Trail about a half mile up from the river at 9am. Went down and topped off my water, and was back marching uphill by 10 am.

You gain 2000 feet in the first two miles coming out.
I had to filter water out of a cattle tank to keep from running out before I reached the top.
Couldn't make up any time over the Field of Broken Boots. Hit the trail head at 5:30pm.
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We didn't go to the river. We used Verde River TR #11, a spur trail (cow track?) and an off trail route to bag Cane Springs Mtn. After a mile and a half or so take the faint trail to the left and follow it to Bull Tank Mesa. From here take an off trail route to Cane Springs Mtn.
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