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Pine Mountain Trail #14 - 11 members in 17 triplogs have rated this an average 3.2 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Nov 04 2023
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52 male
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 Tempe, AZ
Pine Mtn Not a Trail Loop, AZ 
Pine Mtn Not a Trail Loop, AZ
 
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking11.88 Miles 2,588 AEG
Hiking11.88 Miles   6 Hrs   28 Mns   2.45 mph
2,588 ft AEG   1 Hour   37 Mns Break
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1st trip
Despite reading my last triplog that reiterated how terrible this road is, I somehow still didn't remember how terrible this road is. It's probably a good thing because this wilderness likely stays a little more wild as a result. A warm day for early November, topping out over 80 in the sun, but mostly in the low 70s. Still not that brisk chill you expect in autumn at this elevation.

We headed up Nelson and stayed right hitting Pine Mtn 14 instead of the more direct route on Willow 12. Headed north along the rim to the summit and managed to enjoy a nice break despite the single worst air quality day I have ever hiked in here. Prescribed fires filled the air with smoke and limited views to less than 30 miles. At least it wasn't thick enough to make breathing difficult!

The return part of the loop was eventful. We opted to skip Willow once again and follow a route I had previously taken. I'll call it North Sycamore Creek, though it isn't really named on maps. Of course, I missed this turn too, and had to backtrack a bit once I realized it. I was following a previous route I'd taken, but I didn't remember that it's not a trail. At all. Gravity helped out, and I'd rather do this kind of thing downhill. There was a faint route in places, but mostly just bushwhacking for a couple of miles until we got back to Nelson.

Saw a fair amount of bear and lion scat, but the only living beasts were deer and a good number of turkeys.
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Brilliant yellow oaks at their peak. A few spots with some red maples.

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Plenty of good clear flow
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Nov 14 2022
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 Phoenix, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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HeliopsTriplogs 19
Hiking9.80 Miles 1,875 AEG
Hiking9.80 Miles   5 Hrs      1.96 mph
1,875 ft AEG
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1st trip
The road to the trailhead (FR68) is very passable but really rough - lots of exposed rocks and a few drops or steps. You need a high clearance vehicle - be it 2x or 4x and no, a Subaru will not make it.

Nelson Trail #159: Fairly easy to follow but lots of large leaves on the trail this time of year. It is very scenic hiking along the creek.

Willow Springs Trail: Reasonably easy to follow at first, but dead fall and over growth make it hard to follow as you follow the trail. Around .5 mile from the junction, you will see a trail going straight - do not follow it! Instead, turn right and follow the drainage up to the Verde Rim trail.

Verde Rim Trail: Over grown and hard to follow but otherwise in good shape. Very scenic with great views once you reach to the summit of Pine Mountain.

Pine Mountain Trail: Very overgrown and tons of downfall with a steep descent. Not my favorite trail.

Overall, it was an enjoyable hike for most of the journey. The trails seemed much less defined than prior years.
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Apr 15 2022
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 Joined Nov 18 2005
 Phoenix, AZ
Nelson Trail #159Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
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nonotTriplogs 514
Backpack17.00 Miles 3,200 AEG
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1st trip
My plan for this backpacking trip didn't really work out because of the lack of water. The only available water appeared to be within 1 mile of the trailhead from a series of 4 springs that collectively appear to be called Nelson Place spring.

If I would offer a suggestion it would be to explore the Pine Mountain Wilderness via dayhiking. The Salt Flat campground area is pretty nice, though you have to bring all your water with you.

I would also warn potential backpackers that other triplogs reporting water for "several miles along the start of their hike" probably aren't really counting their distance and don't realize that the water ends after the first mile.

While the Nelson trail was in good shape, most of the other trails are in poor condition. The worst was the Salt Flat connector trail, and the second worst was the Verde Rim trail. Surprisingly you will find cows along every trail, including at the top of Pine Mountain itself!

I ran through 90% of my water when I was only halfway through my Saturday loop, likely due to the higher than forecast temperatures, so I struggled to finish the trip.

Takeaways:
The spring fed areas along Nelson trail are very nice, and I was surprised to see all the trout.
Pine Mountain is an enjoyable destination, and there are great views of the entire Mazatzals from the top.
The rest of the trails suffer from significant overgrowth. Some also suffer from not-existingness in sections. There was easily a half mile stretch of Pine Flat trail where I didn't see any evidence of a trail.
For some reason, once you get away from Nelson trail by more than a quarter mile (except Pine Mtn itself), you will only see Junipers, no pine trees.

Driving: Lots of triplogs speak to road conditions. I would say the last 7 miles to the trailhead is rated a high clearance rd. I think 2wd with limited slip differential or else 4wd is helpful due to the rough road. From highway 17 to trailhead took 60 minutes. From trailhead to highway 17 took 56 minutes.
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dry Beehouse Canyon Dry Dry

dry Beehouse Spring Dry Dry
I was on the lookout for this spring, but didn't see anything wet.

dry Bishop Spring Dry Dry
No water in this area that I saw, perhaps I didn't go far enough off trail downcanyon?

dry Black Alder Spring Dry Dry
Perhaps I missed the spring, but didn't find anything.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Nelson Place Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
A lifesaver. Collectively the 4 different areas water came out of the ground probably add up to 100 gallons per minute.

dry Willow Spring Dry Dry
Perhaps I missed the spring, but didn't find anything.
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Apr 24 2020
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 Joined Aug 19 2011
 Scottsdale, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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Hiking avatar Apr 24 2020
outdoor_loverTriplogs 627
Hiking10.90 Miles 2,200 AEG
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1st trip
Pine Mountain has been on my list for several years now. But I never thought I had enough vehicle to get there, and if the current road is any indication, I was right, at least for me and my vehicle. But things change and so do vehicles. :y: And even with the truck, that road though. 5 MPH tops for the last 7 miles. It wasn't hard, no need for 4L, but just rocky and rough enough that unless you wanted to keep hitting the top of the cab with your head, you were going to have to take it slow. :sweat: There was an outfitter camp in the campgrounds, but I was the only other vehicle when I arrived.

My first time in this area at all and it was pretty sweet. I started a bit late, I think it took me about 1 1/2 hours to get from I-17 to the TH. I thought about doing a bigger loop, but with the later start and me dinking around the first 3 miles of the hike taking photos, I had to stay with the original plan. I also wanted to do the rough drive back while it was still light.

It was interesting to learn after about 1 1/2 miles of hiking the Nelson Trail, that I'd been hiking on Private Property? Apparently, although no indication at the start, part of the Nelson Trail is not on Public Lands, according to the signs later encountered. There were also fresh survey ribbons and stakes along the way, which makes me wonder what the fate of this particular stretch of trail will be. It would be a shame to lose it, as it is a beautiful section of the trail.

The first 3 morning miles were beautiful, with Sycamore Creek flowing, springs running and trees glowing with new spring growth. The birds were very active too. Then it started to heat up, the water dried up for the most part and the gnats were out in force. Luckily there was a breeze at times, but I kept moving. Decided to do the loop CW, just to get the uphill out of the way as soon as possible. Just before topping out on Rim, I ran into the Outfitter, with 2 others. Hunters, with 3 Mules and 6 Hounds. Looking for Spring Bear and Lion I guess. They weren't the talkative type and neither was I, but I did sweet talk the hounds a little.

Topped out on the Rim and enjoyed the views. It was rather warm and the gnats were incessant, but I found some shade under a pine for a break and a snack and then I hit the top of Pine Mountain. I was kind of amazed how the top itself was almost devoid of trees, but the views were really sweet. Back down and around and more trail along the rim for a bit. Hit the Pine Mountain Trail and started the descent. Trail is pretty rocky here, so there was no cruising, just trying not to roll an ankle. Hung a right back onto Nelson and kept going. Got back to the non-loop part of the hike and the trail got better and I started to cruise for the finish. My "back to the barn" mentality was interrupted by a sun bather on the trail. He was over 4' long and gorgeous. I couldn't help but stop and admire that beautiful skin. He modeled for me for about 20 minutes or so and then he went off to go find some lunch. And my cruising resumed. A few brief stops for photos the last 1 1/2 miles and then it was back to the truck. With the exception of the Guide and his Clients, I hadn't seen another soul all day. Until now. The Campground was filling up. Several cars and quite a few people were there. Time to go.

I was hoping to not meet cars on the road, but on a Friday afternoon, even with that road, the hope was for naught. Luckily there were only two coming in. The road is a single lane, with very few spots to pull over for oncoming traffic. The first small SUV had to get up off the road, as I was climbing a hill. I had to get up off the road for the 2nd small SUV. It's not that easy, as the tall grass along the road tends to hide even the bigger rocks. No clue whether either of them made it to the Campground, or if they were even going that far. Hit the highway and headed for home. Looked like a normal Friday Night in late April, as far as traffic goes. Lots of vehicles headed north, many pulling trailers.

The Truck did great and I was so happy. I'm feeling a bit liberated in that there are a few more areas I can now get to without the worry of breaking a vehicle to do it. Trying to break the truck in right, and that always involves a little pinstriping. :D

This was a great area! I'll be back to do some other Loops here as well. There are several options out there. This was my first time above 4000 feet in over 1 1/2 years, so it was a good hike to acclimate to something higher. And much cooler than the Valley for sure. Not sure if my desert hiking is over for the season or not, but it was nice to see and hear the pines again.
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There are a few blooms starting, but nothing significant. Verbena has a few clumps here and there and the Lupine is just starting to think about spring.

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At FR 68 Crossing

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Crossing Water in Dugas

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dry Tank Canyon Dry Dry

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Pine Mountain 6814 Lasso Loop, AZ 
Pine Mountain 6814 Lasso Loop, AZ
 
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DixieFlyerTriplogs 1,374
Hiking10.40 Miles 1,939 AEG
Hiking10.40 Miles   5 Hrs   10 Mns   2.32 mph
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1st trip
Pine Mountain 6814 has been on my radar screen for a while, mainly because it is a wilderness high point and a P2K peak, meaning that it has 2,000' or more of topographic prominence. With the temperatures starting to heat up in the valley, I figured that today would be a good day to go check out this area.

I had read trip reports that indicated that FR 68 wasn't exactly a super highway, so my expectations for conditions of the road were pretty low. While the road was pretty rough, it wasn't as bad as I feared -- I took it slow in a number of places, but made it to the TH without incident. You would definitely need a HCV to navigate this road, and I think that you'd also want a 4WD vehicle. I imagine that it took me a little over an hour to get from I-17 to the TH.

This turned out to be a cool hike: I did a CCW lasso loop hike. From the TH I took the Nelson Trail for about 3 miles; then took the Pine Mountain Trail to the Verde Rim Trail; then took the Willow Springs Trail back to the Nelson Trail; then took the Nelson Trail back to the TH. While on the Verde Rim Trail I took a short off-trail jaunt to the Pine Mountain Summit.

I enjoyed the hike -- there was a creek with water flowing alongside most of the Nelson Trail. Most of the hike was beneath some large trees, which provided some filtered shade from the sun. There were some nice views as I gained elevation, and the views at the summit were definitely nice.

I imagine that I will do this hike again, probably in the fall. Perhaps by then my selective memory will have kicked in and I will have forgotten about how rough FR 68 is.

I saw no other hikers on the trail, so social distancing was not an issue.
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There was not much in the wildflower department today: a few gooding's verbena and western wallflower was about it
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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As others have mentioned, long road to the trailhead. There were a few cars along the road camping and one at the campsite, but we saw no other people on this trail all day. We did see a black bear, which was pretty exciting (scary-ish, a little too close for what I would prefer) since I haven't seen one before in the wilderness. Verde Rim portion was beautiful - excellent scenic views all around.
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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John9LTriplogs 1,647
Hiking9.95 Miles 2,041 AEG
Hiking9.95 Miles   4 Hrs   36 Mns   2.31 mph
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Met up with Lee and the pups for a fun hike north of Phoenix. We met at the Happy Valley Park N Ride at 6am and made the drive up. We turned off at the Dugas / Orme exit and headed east. The long dirt road turned into a pain! Overall the road is in good condition but very long and tedious! We were driving in right after the sun peaked over the horizon and spent most of drive with a blinding sun directly in our eyes! We were both glad when we arrived at the TH around 8am. Speaking of that we pulled in and parked next to Chumley’s truck who was car camping. He was sleeping in the back of his truck and I’m glad he didn’t shoot us after waking him up!

We hung out with Chumley for about 20 minutes and then started our hike. The trail is in good condition as it makes a steady climb. The lower canyon had lots of water and some nice fall colors. We continued up and hit the start of our lasso and opted for a clockwise loop. We continued up and topped out on Pine Mountain. Once there we soaked in the views and ate a snack. From there we continued along the rim and eventually started our descent back to the TH. We cruised down and were back to the TH around 1pm. Chumley was long gone so we packed up and made the drive back to Phoenix.

This was a nice hike and I’m glad I can finally check it off the list. The road is a pain but the hike is worth doing at least once. Thanks to FOTG for driving!
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Hiking10.07 Miles 2,032 AEG
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I had been wanting to get back out to this area since my first hike in the area a couple years ago. The return trip was well worth it and the place still left a good impression on me, but the drive in sucks and I can't believe I had forgot that.

Luckily with the fall colors and the big views from the rim today, the long drive became an afterthought pretty quickly. This is a really nice area this time of year and a quaint, but worthy little wilderness area. We only saw one person all day (a hunter) and moved pretty quickly on the generally nice trail. The views from the rim were especially nice today due to some nice clouds. There were also some nice sections of fall colors along the way and just about perfect hiking temperatures.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Substantial

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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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NightstalkerTriplogs 1,740
Hiking10.80 Miles 1,917 AEG
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Perfect temps, overcast skies, and plenty of trees for today's hike to Pine Mountain. Left McD's at Carefree Hwy and I-17 at 5AM and made it to the trailhead just before 7am. As noted by others, high clearance vehicle recommended! I was pretty spooky doing this road in the dark before sunrise. There were at least 3 campsites in the camping area at the trailhead, no one offered us any bacon before departing though, guess they don't like pretty girls. Lots of hardwoods at peak color throughout the duration of the hike with plenty of pines mixed in for additional color. Got stuck behind cattle two different times on the way in. They got a good working trying to stay ahead of us. Took the side trail up Pine Mountain for the best views of the Verde Valley on the hike. Saw one other person in the 10+ miles of trail.
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1st trip
With existing plans dictating a later start and an early finish I lobbied a bit for an actual "fall" hike despite the moderate drive.

Turns out it was a great day. The road was as nice as I've ever seen it. Only the last few miles were a little rough, and those will never change. The rest was nicely graded and smooth despite recent storms. Temps got to the 50s, but by the end of the day, I was happy to have a beanie and gloves, though probably only in the mid 40s it wasn't necessary, just more comfortable.

Only a couple of maples still had some color, but the sycamores flashed some gold, along with ample big green leaves already on the ground. The oaks up here were the ones showing rusty golds most of the day. Great views up top ... the SF Peaks had a very impressive snow pack for November, while the Mazzy ridgeline, 4 peaks and the Supes looked great. Horseshoe lake looks pretty full.

As the responsible party today I acknowledge leading the group astray for an extra 1.1 miles and 22 minutes. My bad!

There were a couple of patches of snow remaining in the most sheltered areas and places where some nasty thorns (perhaps wild rose bushes?) were growing in a few spots along the trail.

There are two apple trees near Nelson spring. I managed to harvest a single green-skinned apple that was tart but good. Earlier in the season this might be a good one!

Glad Dave was able to join us on this special holiday. Special thanks to Lee and the many other Hazzers who have made personal sacrifices to serve our country. :worthy:
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A few late maples hanging on, but mostly done. Oaks are rusty gold and approaching peak. Sycamores still have some gold but many have fallen. Lots of green leaves of all varieties on the ground already. Big wind last weekend after the snow impacted everything. Cottonwoods in the canyons on the drive in are just getting going. Another week or two for them.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Nelson Place Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Running clear and clean

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Tank Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
mostly mud but some small puddles
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Hiking9.80 Miles 1,949 AEG
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Great hike for a long weekend, the drive out is half the fun...we left Phoenix a bit after 6 to make the drive up. Dugas road is something, glad we were riding in Nick's truck with 4 wheel drive when necessary. There were only a few really rough spots, but definitely slow going. Pine Mountain Wilderness is gorgeous! Amazing how you can drive through miles and miles of scrub desert with One Seed Juniper as the largest plants on the horizon, and then you turn a corner and it is all pines and oaks. The hike is very pleasant (I don't think we ever cracked 70 while we were out), we did the CCW loop up to the peak. Nice break up top for lunch. Views east off the Verde Rim are fantastic, pictures do not do it justice. Made it back home about 3:30 to enjoy the rest of the weekend with the family. There are some nice longer loop options out here, we did see a few nice camp sites too. Great wildflower show!
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Great wildflower color, many different kinds of flowers blooming. Nothing overwhelming, but lots of nice pockets.
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Mar 17 2015
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Hadn’t been up here in a few years. The views from the summit are excellent. Didn’t see anyone all day except at the trailhead. We saw quite a few horses on the drive in and out.
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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What a great loop this more or less is. The less is coming down the Pine Mountain Trail on the west side. In the fall, I would rather do it as an up and back. The trail coming down on the west side isn't much fun though it had its scenic moments.... just too few.

Karl and Kathy got us on the trail around 8:30 AM. It was a brisk but refreshing start. On the way to the TH, (and yes, the road is what it's cracked up to be) we could see strong evidence of fall colors in the canyons and drainages and creek so the excitement built as we got closer to our destination... but not before passing through a herd of deer that had split up (some on each side of the road). And remember Karl, they can't shoot Bambi :) .


The sycamores are HUGE and the leaves were big and turning. This hike starts off with a bang as far as the foilage and then the creek comes into play for quite awhile. I was very pleased as I started sinking into Tibbermode so quickly. The sumac were on fire and in many stages of fall color. The sunlight was hitting them just right and it was hard not to be in awe.

Walking up toward Nelson Spring was interesting. It was flowing substantially and we saw two downed trees that had sizeable leaves growing from their branches. We also noticed several rock walls in this area. And then the creek itself had quite a bit of water. This one area had a couple cool cascades that we had to get photos of and some reflections in the water too.

And then the coup de grace of the hike, though on the way back, the colors were even more intense.... the maples were out in full force :DANCE: and all degrees of color too. We had to get closer so we went off trail to check it out.

Once we hit the Willow Springs intersection, we veered left and soon the guys realized we somehow veered when we should have stayed straight (we all missed it) so we had to backtrack slightly. That's what can happen when you get to gawking. A little ways up this trail we came to some of the more burned section but it was filling in with massive amounts of little pines; in fact too many. It will certainly be a matter of survival of the fittest. Some other trees are also trying to squeeze in. But we all know how greedy pines are about water.

Not too far from the Spring area, we came into another colorful section of the trail with lots of maples in various stages. Here the leaves were much larger that had fallen on the ground so that was nice. We all had to take pictures of each other in this section. We had already done that back at the AZHighways tree.... and we would do it again on the way back cuz the lighting was pretty different.

We had been slowly gaining elevation and though my breathing always get heavier the moment we start any elevation, soon it would start a little more intensely until that last switchback push up to Pine Mtn. It was steep but manageable : rambo : though I stopped twice for about 30 seconds (altho once was to take pics of Humphreys etc). Everyone had hiked ahead of me stopping once to make sure I didn't miss a turn. There is one little false summit before you get to the turn up to Pine Mtn. That is a brief but straight up hike to the summit before you see a giant juniper with golden grass below it.

And as you walk closer to the edge; there it is. THE view :y: ! and more views and more views. Over to your right coming down a mountainside was a see of red too. I have to say those maples photographed much better than they looked. Here we had lunch for about 30 minutes. Kathy brot some great NY apples via their trip to Disneyworld and they were so DELISH! :)

Then it's along the ridge before you start the long haul down on not the best surface (though I originally typed "service" :oplz: ) as it was quite rocky. One of those trail textures that makes you appreciate those smooth city trails. The views are varied due to the burn but there was this one really nice section of junipers that Kathy and I stopped to admire and talk about the burn. You next reach a false bottom not realizing there is still more down. The trail seems to take you down pretty fast and switchbacks are limited.

Eventually (about 2 miles later) and gratefully you reach the Willow Springs intersection where surprisingly (I found this out after loading my route on to HAZ) you still have 700 feet more of down.... but it's over nearly 3 miles. Less than a mile from the intersection, we found ourselves admiring the colors of the trees across (south) Sycamore creek so we went for it. We got up close and personal with the many colored trees :y: and then found ourselves wowed even more as we looked down the bank so we continued and eventually ended up in the dry creek bed. It reminded me very much of Ash Creek Gailuro even though the trees were not as big and as massive. We had a great time making our way down and doing some boulder hopping.

Meanwhile the boys were ahead of us though we knew not where since we continued to admire our surroundings. We did get out of the creek when we found them toward the tail end of the color in the creek bed. Mike pointed out one particularly red maple so I grabbed a photo of that before we continued thinking I finally can come out :pray: of Tibbermode (ya, right!). Well that didn't happen as I could see reflections in the creek and the sun continued to highlight the color of the trees. Oh, we also saw an apple tree.

I noticed the rock walls more this time than I did on the way up. I think because I was taking video I missed the amount of rock walls. We did encounter a nice black angus bull and I jokingly said "well at least we don't have red on".... but both Karl and I had red scarfs. Anyway, there was lots of sumac between us and the bull so I was comfortable with that anyway. The boys pointed out the giant BS along the trail.

We proceeded on though I ended up down at the creek to try and catch some of the glowing reflections :D . It's a pretty steep bank coming out of there so I had to make a bit of a run to get out. Also on the way back we noticed the steep eroded bank that the trail goes on. It is eroding quite a bit so the trail may have to go higher and higher.

Well as you can see, I had another louzy day on the trail.... happens to me so often, ha! We had some beverages at the now pretty much vacant TH before Karl drove us out. It is incredibly scenic though rough ride especially at this time of day. We stopped to pick up a piece of pie (peach in my case) to go. I so enjoy hiking with Kathy (she laughs at all my jokes).

I shot 30 minutes of video but the first one's quality is not the best due to coming in and out of light causing flickering issues off and on. The other two are fine.

Video 1 http://youtu.be/pWfovRpxnZI
Video 2 http://youtu.be/7N7B7Ez49UI
Video 3 http://youtu.be/MztFTOTkmCQ
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Autumn Foliage Observation Substantial
Sumac OH MY!, maples, sycamore, oak

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Nelson Place Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
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Oct 26 2013
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 Phoenix, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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BiFrostTriplogs 1,257
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We did Pine Mtn last year and was surprised at the amount of fall color so decided to make it happen again this year. It was even better this year being a week later and just about peak. By far the best sections for foliage is the Nelson Spring and Willow Springs trails on the northwest side of the mountain. The pace was pretty slow making our way up to the Pine Mtn summit with lots of picture taking.

Eventually we made it to the summit and the views from the top are pretty awesome. You have really good views of the Verde Valley looking east, the Mogollon rim to the north, and Supes (even Weaver's Needle) to the south.

After finishing lunch on top we headed down Verde Rim trail to the Pine Mtn trail and back to Nelson Spring trail closing the loop. Again we enjoyed the foliage on Nelson Spring trail as the afternoon light gave the canyon a totally different look :) Nice to hike with and meet Mike for the first time and hike with Angela again!
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Maples, Sycamore, Sumac and Gambel Oak

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Great flow in this spring.
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Oct 26 2013
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 Chandler, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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We got to the trailhead about 8:15am. The sun still hadn't reached the trailhead so it was quite chilly standing there while everyone got ready. There were several hunters(?) camped in the TH area. We appeared to be the only hikers. It ended up that we had the whole trail to ourselves.

I enjoyed the trail as it was veiled by the trees with just enough sun penetrating to keep the area from being dark. The trail was blanketed in most of the areas by a layer of leaves resulting in a satisfying crunching sound as we walked by. Which was then augmented by Angela crushing pinecones.:)

The maple and oak trees appeared to be about in the peak of their color. The reds of the maples just jumped out ahead beside the trail. For some reason every time we passes a maple tree Angela and Kathy seemed to disappear for awhile. I was surprised that the ground was covered in many areas with acorns, but only one squirrel was sighed. No signs of eaten acorns were noticed. What's up with that?

Did have one unfortunate event, while moving into position to take a picture with camera in one hand and sunglasses in the other my feet got tangled in the undergrowth. Luckily only my sunglasses and dignity were damaged.

There wasn't a lot of water in the creek. Most of what there was came from Nelson Place Spring, which was flowing very nicely.

Just as we had resigned ourselves to the complete lack of wildlife, on the way back behind a small stand of red sumac just off the trail was the biggest black bull I've seen. Angela informed us that he was an angus. My only comfort was that he thought he was hiding from us behind the sumac.

Many thanks to Karl for driving us to the TH including the "beautiful" Forest Road 68. The road had a lot to be improved, but the views were spectacular.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Substantial

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Nelson Place Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Very good flow.
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
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Great loop hike and great views.
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
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We took some out of town visitors on this nice loop. As we rounded a bend we saw a large dark colored animal go across the trail and crash through some dense brush. Nobody got a really good look but think it must have been a bear.
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