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West Christopher Mountain via Bear Flat, AZ 
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Horse Mountain - Hellsgate Wilderness HPPayson, AZ
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Horse Mountain - Hellsgate Wilderness HPPayson, AZ
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This was a hike to Horse Mountain, the highpoint of the Hellsgate Wilderness, which is one of Arizona's 89 wilderness areas. The highpoint elevation is not marked on maps, and all you can say by looking at a topo map is that the highpoint is in the 6,440'-6,480' closed contour; for conservatism let's call it 6,440 feet.

It was a near perfect day for a hike. The trailhead temperature was 28 degrees at the start and 56 degrees at the finish; it was a sunny day; and winds were calm at the start and it got breezy in the afternoon.

The first thing that we did was change to water shoes to cross Tonto Creek -- the water was icy cold!

The first mile of the hike was steep, so there was no warmup on this hike.

For the most part trails were in good shape, and most of the trail hiking was on jeep roads. The roads were a little rocky on some steep sections, but for the most part they were good to walk on.

The last mile to the summit and the first mile back from the summit was off-trail, but the off-trail was through open country with no bushwhacking. We were able to follow cattle or game trails for much of the off-trail hiking, and we saw a deer not too far from the summit.

The summit was a wide flat area in a forest, and the highpoint was not at all obvious. My observation was that the highpoint was in the northern part of the 6,440'-6,480' closed contour. I wandered around a bit and called it good as far as hitting the highpoint. There were lots of trees at the summit, so there weren't any jaw dropping summit views to be had, but I still enjoyed being up there.

There was lots of up-and-down on the hike, and there was about 550 feet of elevation to gain on the way back.

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In spite of the lack of summit views, this was an enjoyable hike in a remote and rugged area. This one was more about the journey than the destination
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Bear Flat Trail #178 - Tonto NFPayson, AZ
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This was my first of two hikes today. The objective was to find a geocache that was hidden just outside of the Hell's Gate wilderness.

The first (and last) order of business was to cross Tonto Creek. I took my shoes, socks, and pants off (I had shorts on too) to cross the creek. The water was much colder than the last time I was in it. Brrr. Once across the creek, I worked my way up the hill to the old road. It appeared I was on a trail, there was even some blue flagging. If it was a trail, it was a poor example of a trail, was very steep, and slippery with loose decomposed granite and pine needles. On the way back, I took the road down to near where it ends at the private property and cut across. That was much easier.

Once turning off the old road, the trail was in reasonably good condition but had some catclaw growing in it in places. I was glad I had long pants on and decided to keep them on, on the return because of that. Though, I will admit, it would have been easy enough to avoid with bare legs.

Once I found the geocache, I turned around and returned to the trailhead.
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Bear Flat Trail #178 - Tonto NFPayson, AZ
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Bear Flat Trail #178 is 8.4 miles end-to-end: Too far for this aging fat man to do an out & back, and too complicated a drive for my wife to meet me at the far end, near Pleasant Valley. In assessing the route, I noticed Horse Mountain is not far off trail, just a 300 ft. bushwhack above Warm Springs Trail #177, which marks the halfway point of Trail #178. 🗺

So, my plan became to hike Trail #178, from Bear Flat Campground to Bear Flat Tank and, if I was feeling good, head out on Trail #177 to summit Horse Mountain. Round trip to Bear Flat Tank is 7.7 miles, 1,700 AEG; the whole shot to Horse Mountain, 13.0 miles, 2,500 AEG.

There was one guy fishing in Tonto Creek when I started hiking. The concrete crossing was quite slippery. Just past the crossing, there is a large “No Trespassing” sign. Take a sharp right, along the outside of the wood rail fence. In 50 yds., on the left, is a wood forest service sign for Trail #178. I had to low crawl the barb wire fence, as I could not figure out how to open the gate. 🤔

Trail #178 follows the wood rail fence line for a hundred yards, before turning right, away from the subdivision. Trail #178 then begins a very steep climb, through shady pine forest. It’s straight up; no switchbacks. The trail surface is pea gravel, so quite slippery, given the angle.

Near the top of the initial climb, Trail #178 enters a very old burn area. There’s still occasional shade, particularly at wash crossings, but for the most part scrub oak, manzanita and juniper predominate. (I saw one manzanita that was — no lie — 10 ft. tall!) Just past the top of the climb, Mescal Ridge Trail #186 is on the right. The sign was missing.

For the next ¾ of a mile, through the north edge of the wilderness, Trail #178 is single track. Little used, Trail #178 sometimes disappears in the grass. catclaw often grow in the middle of the trail. The grassy stretch is where most of the flower blooms are found, particularly vervain and, later in the afternoon, New Mexico fanpetals. (A new flower for me.) 🤗

After 1½ miles, Trail #178 exits the wilderness. Just past the boundary is a small, unnamed, tank with a nice view west, down Bull Tank Canyon. At that tank, Trail #178 changes from single track to ATV trail, which continues at least as far as Bear Flat Tank.

Though the pine growth is not as aged as on the initial climb, the ATV trail portion of Trail #178 does have more shade than the old burn area. And, most importantly, no catclaw. A corral, and another unnamed tank, mark the two mile point of Trail #178.

Almost a mile later, Trail #178 splits: Left climbs to Upper Bull Canyon Tank, so stay right. (I missed the turn on my way back.) A ⅓ of a mile past the split, Trail #178 begins another steep climb with no switchbacks. Thankfully, it is only half the height of the initial climb. 😅

Just past the top of the climb, and before Warm Springs Trail #177, Bear Flat Tank is 100 yds. to the west of Bear Flat Trail #178. Bear Flat Tank is more of a pond, being dotted by small lily pads and lined by marsh grass. Deciding a push to the top of Horse Mountain would be unwise -- I was sore and behind schedule -- I ate lunch before heading back.

From the top of the initial climb, I had gnats, flies and mosquitoes buzzing around my head when I was moving, but oddly not when I was still. Not even at Bear Flat Tank. There were also quite a few butterflies. No bears, though there was plenty of bear scat — including one very impressive pile — on Bear Flat Trail #178. 💩

As you are aware, going “downhill” you often go up. (300 ft. in the case of Trail #178.) I took several breaks on my way back down.

The last break I took was just above the steep, pea-gravelled, descent to Tonto Creek. I slipped several times, but with the assistance of much cursing, managed not to fall. Sore though I was, it had been a good day in a new area for me. 🙂

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Vervain, found in the old manzanita / grassy burn area, were most common. Several good patches of afternoon blooming New Mexico fanpetals in the same area. Plus skyrocket, pineywoods geranium, paintbrush, showy goldeneye, fleabane, hoary aster, paintbrush, goldenrod and several small purple species I did not feel like getting on my stomach to photograph.

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More like a pond, with reeds and other vegetation, than a tank.
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Hell's Gate Loop, AZ 
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Did the full length of Hell's Gate 37 with a friend in January and have been waiting for the right day to go back and try this loop. Wintery day in mid-March seemed perfect. Started at the Hell's Gate TH at 7:30am and went counterclockwise.

Wanted to save the unfamiliar sections for the end. Easier to slog through country you're seeing for the first time. Many cows on Hell's Gate who have carved lots of alternative trails. Accidentally took one down to Grande Tank. Was down to Hell's Gate in a little over two hours. Hung out for a while and filtered some water before heading up.

It's easy to connect Hell's Gate and Big Ridge. Meadowy ridge with no bushwacking. Made it up to peak 5138 and the next few miles were my favorite of the day. Great weather for it with wintery clouds and a cold breeze blowing through. Fun ridge walk down to Big Ridge trail and along the road. Lots of cows for company. Saw a dozen deer and a coyote. Big Ridge Trail is an OHV track, and I met two hunters who drove to the bottom Salt Canyon in search of coyotes. Gave up the one I saw farther down the trail and carried on. They were the only people I saw on the day. Trail climbs and the views widen until around Horse Mountain where it enters a pine forest.

Down to Bear Flat Trail which I found nicest by the trailhead. OHV road and trail where it crosses through the wilderness area. It's in good shape but I got confused around Upper Bull Canyon Tank and briefly got sidetracked. No water in the canyon, but there's water I would't personally drink in every cattle tank along the way.

Tonto a strong flow by Bear Flat. Road might as well be paved between the trailheads. Beautiful five mile walk through the pines. Little bit of traffic on 405 but not much on 405A apart from the campers.

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Started at Bear Flat and followed the 5/2/2015 track from @topohiker out to the end of BRT#177 at the top of Peak 5138. From there its easy to drop drop down the ridge to the southwest and arrive at the confluence of Tonto and Haigler Creeks. After a refreshing swim, slogged out on Hellsgate 37. Mtn bike shuttle back to the start.
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Satisfying little afternoon walk in the solitude and beauty of the Northern Hellsgate Wilderness.
Walked a little bit on Mescal Ridge and still want to properly explore it specifically but instead I looped around, dropped into some drainages and just got a good overall feel for the area.
Finished just before sunset and took a moment enjoying the sound and scenery of the mighty Tonto as it flows past Bear Flat down into the “cataclysmic landscape of jagged ridges, and V-shaped tributaries” as said and best described by the Hellsgate legend himself Mr. Nick Berezenko.

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Dry tank but nice clear pools in the canyon.
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Dang, where's a guy gotta go to get a little solitude? ;)

Started from the east end of BF #178, then headed down BR #177 towards Salt Canyon. I was scouting potential Haigler Creek exit points for a future descent of Haigler and loop back to the start, wanting to avoid the long shuttle when exiting via Hellsgate #37.

I found that the first drainage upstream of Salt Canyon was not too bad, so I headed back towards the Big Ridge trail. Coming through the trees was the instantly recognizable chumley, with joelhazelton, jonnybackpack and moutainmatt, on their way to try and get to Haigler via Salt Canyon! Hopefully their route is even better than mine. Amazing to cross paths with HAZ'ers that far from anywhere!
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Northern Hellsgate sampler. Mail Trail is a nice new addition. Tonto Creek was running orange from the overnight rains.
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Hunter Creek 8am
A pleasant area with nice tall pines and marshy meadows. The squishy areas will probably dry up soon. Follow the creek best you can. There is an intermittent use trail. We headed west and took what we got. We hopped several fences along the trickling creek. Didn't see much in terms of falls. Either a small cascade or I missed it. Nice break spot in the cascade/falls area. The highest forecasted high for our loop was 82 degrees. 75 at the start erased hope for a cool spring hike.

Christopher Mountain 9am
We ascended off trail straight up Christopher Mountain. It's steep and loose for a couple hundred feet, then gets reasonable quick. Shockingly not a whimper out of the eagle. Views open up to the rim a little ways up. We took forest roads to the west end of the mountain. I had an off trail track to descend a ridge to #178. We lucked out and found a nice unsigned trail! The upper third was wide, raked and dreamy. Then it's more what you'd expect from a less used trail. Still mighty fine.

Bear Flat Trail #178 Noon
Essentially a forest road through the pines. I enjoyed it. Just as it was getting toasty unexpected storms rolled in and saved the day. It sprinkled on occasion but never let loose. The east trailhead is unsigned. Unless you reside in the large metropolis of Pleasant Valley ( Young ) this is the middle of nowhere for most.

Gordon Canyon 3pm
A good two miles separated us from Gordon Falls. I anticipated this to be slow travel. A couple use trails, narrow canyon pine views and Gordon Falls made this the highlight of the day. Most will access Gordon Falls from the north. Which is a solid 3 out 5 in my book. It is nice, easy and good for those that enjoy a less meaty bone.

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Hunter Creek - Bear Flat - Gordon Canyon Loop, AZ 
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As others that have mentioned, park off the west side of Colcord Road .3 mile off Rt260 in the small dirt area. Pass through the gate and pick a route west to get down to the creek area.

Hunter Creek Falls
This is a pleasant stroll, generally following the creek bed. There are areas where a tread may be visible, more than likely due to game. On our hike there were scattered pools of water and some minimal flow in spots. We had to cross 4 or so barb wire fences but there was nothing to indicate private property. The falls area while interesting was lacking... a waterfall.

Christopher Mountain
From the Falls area we went off trail and uphill for a short bit to catch FR146. This climbs steadily to Christopher Mountain and has some nice 360 views

Mail Trail
The first of two planned off trail segments ended up being a trail. This made the 1000' 1 mile drop much easier.

Bear Flats Trail
This trail roller coasters through stands of pine, juniper and oak. Quite nice

Gordon Creek Falls
This was the second section of planned off trail. Once again, we found trail the whole way. Some was well worn, some was marked with very old blazes in the trees. This was the gem of the day. The southern portion of this does not see much traffic, but if more knew about it, it would. It'd be a great place to spend the day hiking and swimming through the pools. We had to hike back to Gordon Creek Falls, which is nice, but the south portion of the canyon made the day.

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One of the larger Tanks you'll see

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After a summer of minimal hiking I am trying to get myself back into condition so the 10 to 12 mile range hikes are a good choice right now. Nice drive to the trail head, although I had forgotten the steep section down. We crossed the creek to a trail sign and then turned right (left would have taken us to the official start up the trail/road) where we followed a steep faint trail up. After a short bit we joined the trail/road at the top and continued on the trail. Nice area but mostly 2 track road hiking. The tanks we crossed and checked did have water but all the creeks were dry. On the way back to the TH we took the official trail/road down and I would say the faint steep trail is the better choice.
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Fan's never been to the Bear Flats area so we did a tour of the area. We started at the Tonto creek and crossed over at the bridge.

We took the Bear Flats trail to the Big Ridge trail. It was warmer than Fan likes, so she stopped at the salt Canyon. The creek was dry. I continued following the Big Ridge across the canyon and it ended at the Wilderness boundary. I followed a couple of game / rancher trails. I came across a neat water collection device. The views are great from this area. At one point your looking down at the Hell's Gate area. You can see the canyons that hold the Tonto and the Haigler creeks meet.

When I returned to Salt Canyon, Fan had found a big pool of water so we could top off our water supply :y: .
As we got close to the TH, it started to sprinkle on us. The morning was coolish with overcast.
As we got to the sun exposed section of Big Ridge, the clouds lifted and it got toasty.
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Took advantage of the cooler weather today and hit the trail at about 930am. Roads are all in good shape. Tonto creek is flowing over the road/bridge so I just crossed at the usual spot and my feet were wet before even starting up the actual trail. The trail is shaded and was breezy today so we started in sweaters. Although easy to follow, the initial climb is steep especially with a 5yr old holding my hand. We scuffed our way up at a very slow pace until reaching the first ridgeline. We wanted to continue but by then my only concern was child safety so we started back down at an even slower pace. Definitely one of the more rugged areas he has ever hiked but he's been hiking since he learned to walk and it certainly paid off today. Needless to say, I was relieved when we reached the creek again. By then the sun was out in full so we climbed down creek from the campsites and went for a swim in one of the deeper pools to cool off and have lunch. The trails in and around Hell's Gate wilderness are quickly becoming favorites of mine, but not kid friendly unless you plan on just hanging by the creek (as I learned the hard way). Tonto creek was flowing nicely and a passing fisherman had a couple rainbow trout on his stringer. The day was still a success in my book. Be back next weekend for a solo adventure either back on Bear Flat Trail or Hell's Gate #37.
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I return to the Bear Flats TH to finish off the connector trails. I got to the TH at 8:30 and it was cold. The Tonto creek was higher than the last time I was here, so I crossed the bridge instead of the creek to start the hike.

The trails I did were:
Bear Flats
Mescal Ridge
Mail Trail
Big Ridge

Bear Flats
Within minutes I went from shaking cold to sweating buckets on the steep climb out of the creek. It looks there’s been recent trail maintenance or high activity. A lot of the high grass has been cleared away and some of the brush has been cut back.

Mescal Ridge
The trail offer nice views of the surrounding area. The trail is easy to follow. The trail ends at a tank. At the tank, I found another old road/trail and followed that until it turned into a cattle path.

Mail Trail
This was an impromptu trail for me. I read Stillers comments about a trail that’s not on any maps. The trail starts about 1.3 miles from the Bear Flats TH. There’s a wilderness boundary post. Others have seen a trail sign, but I didn't. I saw a long plank of wood on the ground that might have had writing on it at one time. There a distinct trail heading up the side of Christopher mountain. The trail follows a drainage and is steep (as if the climb out of the Tonto Creek wasn't!). Soon the trail left the drainage and started to switch back. I could see a saddle and I pushed for it. At the saddle I saw a lot of signs of cattle activity. The trail pushed forward going up the side of Christopher mountain. The higher I got, the more cattle / horse tracks I saw. Near the top there was cairns. The cairns would help on the way down due to the numerous cattle paths. Near the end, the forest was burned out. The trail ended at the Christopher mountain RD. I turned around and went back to the Bear Flats Trail. I might come back to explore around Christopher mountain. The Mail Trail is maintained. Almost all of the fallen trees have been cleared away.

Big Ridge Trail (aka the big climb out)
The Big Ridge trail is about 6 miles long. For the first 2+ miles it stays around the 6,000 feet mark. Then it starts to drops. It doesn't drop gradually. It drops from shelf to shelf by hundreds of feet. You’ll drop about 200 feet, then it flats for a little bit, then repeat. The drops are very rocky with loose dirt. The scenery changes with each drop. The trail drops into the Salt Canyon where it ends. The maps show the trail ending in the canyon, but the road continues on another 2~3 miles to the wilderness boundary. I took lunch by the running stream. I wanted to continue on the road, but I knew I had a long climb out. The creek elevation was 4,350 and I had to climb up to 6,000. I may come back to finish off the road.
I had hoped to check out the Ellinwood ranch. I went down the road (to the ranch) to where it started its steep drop and turned round. It was getting dark, plus I didn't need any more extra climbing for the day.
It might be possible to connect the Mescal Ridge and Rig Ridge trail if you bushwhack and do some canyoneering. If someone figures out a safe route, I might be convinced to try it out.


It was typical Arizona Fall weather day. Cold in the morning extra warm around noon and extra cold after the sun dropped. This was the maiden voyage for my new Ospray backpack. My old pack shoulder straps were started to rip off. The Ospray worked out nice.

The adventure didn't end with the hike. I had a tire blowout 1 mile from the bee-line. It wasn't fun changing a tire in the dark when your freezing.
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This was my first time to the Hell’s Gate Wilderness. The trail-head was nice and cool. I crossed the Tonto creek and got on a spur trail that looped me to the old jeep road. Boy that road is steep! After the Mescal Ridge intersection, the Bear Flats turns into a single track until it leaves the Wilderness. Then it turns back into a ranching road.

The Bear Flats trail is like the old joke “I walked to school uphill both ways”. The Bear Flats trail has a bunch of rolling hills. You bounce around between 5,500 and 5,800 for most of the day. The neat thing is that there’s a lot of shade on this trail. You’re in a thick forest for most of the trail.
There’s numerous tanks everywhere. I went to the end of the trail at FR200. I took FR200 to Fisherman’s Point and went down to Haigler creek. I then headed to Haigler Canyon campground and had lunch by the creek.

I went back on Bear Flats trail and went down the Big Ridge Trail. Up to this point it was a mostly sunny day , but now the clouds rolled in. It started to rain, then it poured. Then there was two quick flashes, then 2 huge booms. I decided it was time to start heading back. The rain stopped about 45 minutes later. I went down Mescal Ridge trail for a bit as well. Usually I don’t hike on a new trail in the dark, but this one was pretty easy to follow with a flashlight.

The last drop into the Tonto was steep. I’m not sure if it’s harder coming up or down this section. It was an interesting hike. I’ll be back to finish off the Mescal Ridge & Big Ridge trails.
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The local Xterra club was planning a 2 day camping trip to Bear Flats Campsite. I had to work Friday and Saturday, so I didnt get to stay as long as I would have liked. On Friday, I drove up after work and arrived around 6pm. I planned on doing a little exploring with my son and dogs, before the group arrived. We crossed the creek and headed toward the Bear Flats trail. We hiked to the Mescal Ridge trail. We then hiked about 1/3 of that trail, then started back. We did get to see a nice sunset on the Mescal Ridge Trail. The next morning, the dogs and I did some exploring near the creek. I left camp around 9am. We squeezed in as much adventure as we could, with the time we had.
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I did this hike with Wally and Robert. Brian (mt98dew) was on the trail early at 6am because he had to be in bed by 7pm due to work commitments. Our hike was from the Bear Flat TH, we took the Bear Flat Trail to the Big Ridge Trail. We turned around about 10:45am so I could be back home in time to watch Breaking Bad at 6pm. During our entire hike, we never ran into Brian. I'm thinking he must have take the Mescal Ridge Trail and turned around while we were up further along the Bear Flat Trail.

For the most part, these trails are old forest roads used for cattle and pretty easy to follow. The scenery isn't really anything spectacular, but it's nicer than being in the desert this time of year. Although the trails are easy to follow, they aren't really all that easy to hike in sections. The beginning from the Bear Flat TH is very steep and also has loose dirt and rock. The last section of the Bear Flat before the junction with Big Ridge is a long slog of a climb, again with a lot of loose rock.

At the junction, we saw a hunter on a quad runner. He had set up a hunting blind and game camera at the corral and tank about halfway from the TH to the junction. He said due to knee issues, he isn't able to hike like we do while hunting.

Before the corral and tank and after the Mescal Ridge Trail junction, we found a junction with another trail that I haven't seen on any maps. There was a wooden sign at that junction that said "Chris Mt". The map I have says there is a Christopher Mountain north of the Bear Flat Trail, so this trail likely takes you up there and maybe to FR117.

We took the Big Ridge Trail about 2 miles in and turned around. Where we turned around was a long section that descended and was covered with rip rap, making for some semi-miserable hiking.

By the end of the hike, we were all pretty spent. The trail conditions seemed to take a little more out of us. This was Robert's second big hike with us and he did better this time, not having any issues other than one spill. He's been doing more marathons and ultramarathons and was even able to do some trail running on this trail in some sections and got about and extra mile or so more than me and Wally did.

The descent back to the TH on the Bear Flat Trail was miserable. The loose dirt and rock were harder to walk down at the end of the day than it was at the start. Our sore legs and knees didn't help much. I had to really focus on every next step to prevent from wiping out, and still slid in a few spots. the Christopher Mountain hike from Bear Flat TH looks like a good hike to do one day, but I'm not looking forward to the start of the Bear Flat Trail for a while.
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It's been awhile since I've been on a HIKE. This one would qualify in terms of length and remoteness. I had gotten the idea for this hike from Darth Stiller who was also planning on doing this hike on Sunday.

Got to the TH a little after 6am. I was a little self conscious with the parking because the TH is right next to a campground and I didn't want to disturb them. From reading about this trail (from other web sites :( ) it seemed that it would be a straight forward hike...just follow the jeep road. That is close to being true, but first, I had to Find the jeep road. The trail starts just to the north of the trail sign and immediately had me cross a decent size stream. On the other side there was a trail sign that mentioned Bear Flat and Mescal trails straight ahead (there was an arrow pointing straight ahead). However, when I went through the gate to the right the trail appears to go off to the right (kind of following the river, before it goes straight up a steep incline). Do not follow this trail! This " trail" will basically lead you in a circle and will not get you to the jeep road. After circling this area a couple of times, I headed in an east northeast direction from the gated area. This took me through a forested area, covered in pine needles for about .2 miles and to the beginning of the jeep road. NOTE: There are homes just to the north of this route, so as long as you follow the private property fence, keeping it your left, you should come to the jeep road.

The jeep road climbs steadily for .5 miles taking me to a ridgeline with a split in the trail and another trail sign. The trail going south is the Mescal and the trail heading in a northward direction is Bear Flat. The next part is distinct, because it is the only portion of this trail that is a single track. Everything before and after this section is ATV accessible. This single track lasts for only about .7 miles, does some gradual climbing and gave me the best, distant views of the surrounding area. The single track ended at the first of several water tanks (Upper Bull Canyon Tank?). This would have been about 1.3 miles in from the TH. Just prior to reaching this watering hole, I came upon a side trail (that someone actually tried to sign -- the trail name on the sign was so faint I couldn't make it out. Maybe Cikis Trail?) that apparently went up the side of the mountain. This side trail looked established, but I did not follow it, so I am not sure how well the trail was maintained.

The Bear Flat Trail continued past the watering hole, going straight across its northern berm. From here, the trail became a dual track, though initially it was not well used. Hiking on, I found that trees had fallen across the trail in a couple of areas making it impassable for motorized vehicles. About .5 miles in from the first water tank, I came to the next one. This one was full as well and had a camera mounted on a tree facing the watering hole. For some reason this hole was fenced but there were openings so animals could get to the water. I went around the south side of the tank and continued eastward on the trail. Shortly thereafter, I met a hunter on an ATV on his way up to the tank to check his camera. Ironically, I met him several times during my hike. He was driving around checking out watering holes for upcoming hunting season. (In a later meeting, he showed me some pictures that his mounted camera had recently taken. Most noteworthy was a bear, which had visited the hole a few days earlier).

I did not note the mileage, but somewhere after the second water tank and before a huge climb, there is a split in the road. Actually, it felt more as if my trail ran into this road/track that was going east-west. Near this juncture, there is another fenced area. Do not know the purpose for this enclosure, it looked to be relatively small but I did not notice a water tank. Even though there was no sign I was fairly certain that the Bear Flat Trail continued east. I lost a little bit of elevation going into a dry gulch but got it all back and then some. It was a 1 mile steady climb up an eroded, rocky trail without any leveling out. Not fun. Luckily, half way up I saw some elk. This distracted me for most of the climb. It wasn't until I was coming back down the hill that I realized how ugly the climb had been. (Senior moment confession: I had downloaded the track for this hike the previous night. When I tried to reference it early in my hike - when i was doing circles - I kept looking for Bear Flat Trail. It wasn't until I was doing the long climb up the hill that I realized it had been saved as HAZ178. It was nice to confirm after hiking in 5 miles that I was indeed on the Bear Flat Tral :) ).

Reaching the summit of this hill brought me to the highest point on this trail. At one point my Garmin had me at 6050 in elevation. The views, though, were somewhat limited because of the trees and taller, surrounding mountains. At just under 5 miles from the TH, I came to another spit in the the trail. One trail headed to the south and the other headed in a more eastward direction. There is a plain brown marker at this juncture. Some good samaritan had carved 178 with an arrow pointing in the direction that I had just come from and arrow pointing to the south trail. Without giving it too much thought I followed the south trail. At about a mile in I checked my GPS only to discover that I was way off trail. I backtracked to the juncture and took the eastward trail. After following this trail a little ways I checked my GPS to confirm that this was indeed the Bear Flat Trail. I wasn't far down this trail that I started to quickly lose all my elevation. The trail was so eroded in parts that I was impressed that the hunter on his ATV was able to navigate the incline. After this long descent the trail leveled out for a bit before another lengthy descent. By this time I as about 8 miles into the hike, wondering how much further I wanted to go in, and knowing that I was going to have to climb what I just came down.

Reaching the summit of this hill brought me to the highest point on this trail. At one point my Garmin had me at 6050 in elevation. The views, though, were somewhat limited because of the trees and taller, surrounding mountains. At just under 5 miles from the TH, I came to another spit in the the trail. One trail headed to the south and the other headed in a more eastward direction. There is a plain brown marker at this juncture. Some good samaritan had carved 178 with an arrow pointing in the direction that I had just come from and arrow pointing to the south trail. Without giving it too much thought I followed the south trail. At about a mile in I checked my GPS only to discover that I was way off trail. I backtracked to the juncture (and on the way back met the hunter for the second time) and took the eastward trail. After following this trail a little ways I checked my GPS to confirm that this was indeed the Bear Flat Trail. I wasn't far down this trail that I started to quickly lose all my elevation. The trail was so eroded in parts that I was impressed that the hunter on his ATV was able to navigate the incline. After this long descent the trail leveled out for a bit before another lengthy descent. By this time I as about 8 miles into the hike, wondering how much further I wanted to go in, and knowing that I was going to have to climb what I just came down. Once I made it down this second lengthy hill the trail "leveled" out. There was still some ups and and downs as I went from one valley to the next, but for the most part I stayed within low lying areas. This last segment of the hike was actually quite nice as I stayed within the trees (shade) and the currently, dry water channels made for some views as they twisted up the hillsides. I had hoped to make the end of the trail, according to my GPS downloaded trek, but my turn around time was10am. It's hard to tell, from my Garmin, how short I came up on finishing the trail. My turn around spot corresponded to a tin covered watering trough that was in a semi cleared meadow. This was about 9.7 miles in.

The way out was fairly eneventful. I saw a deer, literally bound across the trail - those guys can catch some air! I'm amazed that I don't see them lying on the side of trails with broken legs the way they run around. Also, saw the hunter for the third time. (There must be an exit point not too much further past my turn around point). I was somewhat surprised not to come across Darth Stiller and his hiking group. I can only surmised that they took the trail heading south at the top of the summit. When I got back to the TH his decked out Steelers SUV was still parked there.
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