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Dec 18 2014
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Broken Buttress BreaksSoutheast, NM
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following up on a lead... and checking out a long planned route, my first day back out doing an exploratory hike yielded both a new cave and a successful ascent up through the cliffs to Alamo Ridge. The west portion of the Dark Cliffs also showed positive promise for a north side canyon route up to the Picnics. All the time lost to jury duty and a busted foot has created some minor issues, but it was a good day out!

Side spurs n4, n5, n6 finally resolved... now need to check the cave up below the Roundup Cliffs... and the full canyons: Alamo Gap... Blind Cut. Way down on the list: the slot up at the top of N5? Too much to do!
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Nov 20 2014
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Picnic CanyonsSoutheast, NM
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Canyoneering9.00 Miles 2,650 AEG
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finally... made it above the lower dryfalls!

Ross and I headed up the west cut, and ascended the nice climbing section to below the dark cliffs... or at least he did. Just below the upper lip I failed to make the lateral move across and up... odd in that I've used this section to teach and practice climbing for years. On this day. a no go. Not sure if it relates to the fall I took a few days ago that messed up my balance, or just a bad acro day for me? After some additional dumb moves I finally made it up and we proceeded to the top of the lower cliffs.

The walk around their edge was beyond nice... we could gaze over the lips of the three primary falls and look out and across the high vistas above the Alamo Canyon drainage. All good.

We could not spot any access up and through the next layer of cliffs. The west dryfall was our target. I'd looked at that upper canyon from the Roundup Grounds and thought I'd spotted nice bedrock. We like bedrock... but with no direct and safe climb it looked as if we'd check out the cuts to the east then decide how to make our way up to the next level.

Same situation on the second Picnic Falls... cliffs blocking the next level pourover. Again, great rim lip views.

The hike around the top of the cliffs to the third big Falls proved really short; never realized they were clustered so closely together. We walked the top of the dark cliffs and found no good up/down spot...

...but, we got lucky in the canyon cut above the East Fall...the cliffs turned and became the west side towering sides to the canyon. We were not immediately blocked. We headed up the cut.

I did not have high expectations for this canyon. I expected the good stuff to be over in the west cuts. Upper Picnic is composed of the three main branches, each with a dramatic lower Dryfall... and each then splitting and re-splitting as it makes its way up the south side of the Mesa-Hershberger Ridge. The plan for this day was to get up and around the top of most of the cuts to figure out what was really up there and if any of them were good. The initial hike to the top of the lower falls was good... even with my problems climbing.

Not too far up the East canyon we got a very pleasant surprise... bedrock walkway with a dramatic rock ledge hangover tenting the walk for quite some distance. We could nearly touch this roof and the 15' width was impressively wide for our area. It made the day.

Above this section the sidewalls turned to dirt and we came to our first upper split. Neither branch looked all that inviting, but since our goal was to loop around to the better canyon to the west, we chose the left fork. Working our way over a substantial side cavitation, complete with large tree, we were pleased to reach bedrock on the far side. Steeply tilted bedrock...

... and enjoying that... at each and every turn we were gifted with more of the same. It did not end! Bedrock StairMaster just kept climbing... steepest and possibly our longest section of bedrock canyon in the area. And, this was complimented with great side canyon cliff formations and ever expanding distant vistas. Ross felt it was/is the best canyon he's hiked in the area.

Topping out that cut... we moved West to discover the smaller and less dramatic middle canyon. It splits off with it's western branch climbing well beyond and above our entry canyon... and it's eastern branch running up to saddle into the great bedrocked cut we had enjoyed coming up. We crossed the middle and descended the ridge to access the far west cut down at the top of the blocking cliffs. We had spotted a cleft from below that gave some promise of up/down access... and sure enough it did cut all the way to the top. We left close inspection for another day... and moved over to the top of the dryfall in the west cut...

...only to discover no bedrock!

This canyon was a rock pile jumble... maybe interesting scrambling if our expectations had not been so high... and then raised with the entry canyon... but in the moment, not good. At this point, it was time to cut and exit. We opted for a nasty rough bushwhack up to the Mesa... then a loop around and down Alamo Ridge.

The consideration now is to get back up in there and find a good exit route... one that will not distract from the great hike up that Bedrock Monster... or better: one that will add to it. The prospects: one of the 3-4 remaining upper spurs... or, the ridge to the East (Split Ridge).

The hike wasted me... massive leg cramps in the evening, totally expected. Tired today... but, sort of thinking about heading back up and in this weekend. It was really nice!

I need to process the pics... doubt if they'll do the areas justice.
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Aug 01 2014
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posting this hike I realize I never did the write up for Alamo Ridge, PockRock Clffs and Ross's Cut... not sure how to put those into the proper perspective; that might be why they had not been written up...? Above Alamo Point there are the lower Alamo Bluffs... part of Alamo Ridge... then there is the ridge proper which runs up to connect to The Mesa. In the Bluffs: Broken Buttresses, Ross's Cut, Pock Rock Cliffs, and the Hidden Slot... and the Cave with it's upper and lower entries.

Great to have new Trailhead signs in Alamo Canyon!
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Apr 19 2014
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Pock Rock CanyonSoutheast, NM
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John drove up from El Paso... Jody and Rosario along for the day. Cool temps with light rain made everyone very happy! The shorter south loop lacked the nice scrambles of the north cut... but, the exit down Cave Ridge, over Cave Peak (scored a lucky downclimb cleft through those cliffs)...down Ross's Route and up to the Cave... great finish to this loop. Over too soon!

Good group.. great day. Early finish.

I started to drive over to add Ortega Peak into my afternoon... but then decided that I should not overdo since I have a timed ascent scheduled for tomorrow. Once home I realized that today is Saturday... not Sunday. I only have weeny easy hikes tomorrow. So, maybe I'll head back out later today?
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Apr 13 2014
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Started to carry old ladder up to Cave... may finish that chore later today?
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Apr 13 2014
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Well... this is the first Sunday 2pm hike that had none of Terri's Friday group... and very few others! Paul showed for the start... Ross was along (...knowing I'd haul the laddder to the Cave?)... and Cindy drove over from Las Cruces!? The one nice thing: I could blend the hike and post hike hike into a single event! We hit Alamo Point then immediately headed around on the new route to check out PockRock Canyon. Ross glanced up into the Cleft... and was looking as if he'd enjoy hitting that today. Then, looping around, grabbing the old ladder, we headed up Ross's Route to access the slot canyon to the Cave.

There now resides an access ladder for those who wish to rob themselves of the mystery of the inner cave...

From there... we checked out the brim ledge to confirm it could be used to access high around into PockRock; it did the job.

Hopefully, the hike was enough to justify all of Cindy's driving!

Blustery wind offset the warm temps... not too bad for an afternoon outing.
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Apr 11 2014
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...afternoon laps and a big loop around over PockRock to make up for the easier morning. The Goat Trail below the PockRock Cliffs has interesting potentials. I may see if the Sunday beginners want to add that to the simpler Alamo Point Hike. If not, the after hike hike will include that along with the scramble up through the cleft to Ross's Route!

Juiced blueberries/pinapple for todays fluids... very nice. Sat up on the shelf below Cave Point and ate cantelope for lunch/breakfast. Excellent!

Basin filled with smoke from fire down on Joplin Ridge (Dog Canyon)... hope they do not lock down the forest too early this year!!
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Apr 05 2014
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Cave CanyonSoutheast, NM
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6,000' morning, and nearly called it a day, then noticed I was not scheduled for project work at home today... the cancelled Meetup hike left me with additional hours. I figured I'd hit the steep Alamo Point trail and hike laps...

...and I did until that got a bit dull... so, I headed around past the saddle to check out overviews down into Pockrock. Following a really clear sheep trail I found access around and up that gave great views of all the lower portion of the canyon. Finally, moving up to the base of the cliffs below Cave Point, I wound even further up and around and found the path heading up a narrow slot cut! It looked to give access to the top of Cave Ridge...? This was unexpected. I headed up.

By the time I climbed out of that short spur canyon I had to revise my opinion of the climbing ability of the local Barberry Sheep... way up!

I did make the top of the ridge, adjacent to the Cave Cut slot... and exploring around I discovered the rear entry to the Cave! Who knew?

Descending down Ross's Cut seemed secure after the sketchy ascent in the slot out of PockRock Canyon. I took some time clearing loose rocks from the route (group hike planning to use that Cut in a few weeks), then completed the loop back to the Alamo Point trail.

Long Day...

No one on the "A" trail this morning. A few folks using Alamo Canyon this afternoon. March training must have prepared me for these 12+ hour days; too bad I'm putting off the 200,000' month until later this Fall... it might not have been too difficult this month.

I guess I should share the info about the Goat Path trail in Pock Rock... hikers could access views of those odd rock formations without having to do all the climbing of the lower canyon.
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Apr 01 2014
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Very abrupt change of plans today. Hiking partner that I spent the last six months training and training with suddenly has left town. The planned training pattern for the coming months has lost its primary emphasis. As I hiked today, thinking about the coming months, I decided to split the focus between hiking and working on my long delayed project. So, April will not be the over the top month I had planned. Instead, I'll hike early each day, then work!

Hopefully, I'll return later in the year to log a 200,000'+ month...?

2014 will still have a hiking priority... just different.

I guess if plans have to shift, it is nice they shifted on the very first day!
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Mar 30 2014
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easy pace up to check out route potential above Ross's Cut... for connecting to Pock Rock Canyon. Did some trail work out to Alamo Point on my way down. Mid 80's forecast for today! Afternoon hike may feel hot... not good!
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Mar 29 2014
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Early start... earlier finish with this overly steep routing.

Pretty much closes out this month of training for high daily AEG... it was not like I thought it would be. I projected lots of overly long days: 6,000'+, x4 9,000' days and one or two 12,000' days. I did not hit any of those upper limits. I thought I'd do easier laps with no pack. I did some like that, but more days were up difficult routes taking many more hours to score the AEG... and, there were lots of heavier pack days. There was no highend cardio training. There was no speedy ascents/descents. It was a long, slow month.

Now... what might April be?
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Mar 28 2014
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I forget What a great hike this loop is! Every time I introduce new hikers to this route they affirm the quality and variety. The Springs, Indian Wells, meadows, rocks, vistas... and the not too hard, not too easy nature of the loop. This was a great Friday group hike. Of course, Terri's Friday hikers were all off on a different hike, but that was nice too. It would be great if the calendar could fill in with lots of choices for everyone.

Finished after 11am for that first hit, started to do laps on the "A", but that was not inspiring. I moved over to the more difficult Cave Canyon and that did the trick. I quit a little short of the 5,000' goal but my focus is drifting ahead to April... I may fall a little short of the 150,000' goal this month as I get ready to try for the bigger month about to start.

The game/cattle trail up the ridge on the west side of Cave Canyon could be improved into a great training route up to Alamo Point (high north side over the mouth of Alamo Canyon). That would also give us a good path up to the Cave... and the connecting short loop around from Pock Rock up through Ross's Cut. That needs to happen!

Very good day out!
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Mar 20 2014
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Met Ross for a hike up to the Cave... 45 minute ascent. Then, we checked out the possible route up to the Mesa; potential down loop to compliment Pock Rock Canyon. We used the cut just to the south of the Cave slot... and, it was good!

So, Ross's Route needs to be developed and described!

It will very nice to have two Pock Rock loops... one up the main branch, and this newer, shorter route winding immediately down and around to the cars.

Now, need to check out the slot cut to the South... more options?

So... 3,300' ahead of schedule for the month... do I go back out for more hours on the trail, get a full day up... or, do I sit here in the Library and do some hike descriptions and edit/post photos...? Or, go home and take a nap!?
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Mar 16 2014
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10 hikers for the nice 2pm hike... including Lynn, the new author for the official trails guide for the Lincoln National Forest... interesting and informative conversations.

Ongoing topic: rating hikes, hikes that I do: are they always too difficult? Email confirming same today: longtime Friday hiker no longer planning to hike because the hikes are off trail.

Post hike hike for AEG... Ross came along.
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Jan 19 2014
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12 hikers showed up for our Sunday Beginner's Hike! Walked them up canyon through a bit of scrambling... then, traversed out and over to the Roundup Grounds trail for an easier exit...

... found new spur trail route... nice!

Did a pre-hike hike... explored the Broken Buttress Cut, exited out Cave Canyon, hiking down canyon in the upper section before accessing the trail.

Basically, a rest day.
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Nov 16 2013
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Today was Friday... Friday was Saturday. In regards to hikes, that is. Friday was to be shorter, easy exploratory. It was not... instead, longer and a bit more demanding than I was set for. Saturday was to be longer... harder. It was shorter and far less demanding.

After the booming, blustery storm last night, I had doubts about the exploratory up and around Hershberger Peak scheduled for this morning. The mud over in Dry Canyon is legend; I did not really want to encounter it immediately after a hard rain. And... I was wondering what shape I'd be in after the too long hit on Friday.

Fortunately, the other hiker cancelled... I was left to my own choice and I chose to check out that nasty looking drainage that topped out at what might be a cave... a mine...? I knew it would be a day of getting sliced and diced: big time overgrowth with little chance for a clear route... plus hyper steep to boot. The benefit: close to the car and short; I should be back early.

I was back early... but with numerous surprises. There was a trail; a good trail!

The slot below the cave was not the vertical monster cliff it appeared to be from down low... it was a narrow defile that allowed access all the way up to the cave. And, it appears I may now have a shortcut looping potential for the return from upper Pock Rock Canyon (still need to check that out).

I did not explore the cave. The six foot ledge, overhanging, just slightly exceeded my limit for solo scrambling, especially after yesterdays too adventurous scramble... left for another day.

So... a nice morning out!
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