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Desperado Trail - MSPN - 6 members in 14 triplogs have rated this an average 3.8 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Jun 01 2025
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55 male
 Joined Oct 24 2010
 Phoenix,Az
Desperado Trail - MSPNPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 01 2025
mt98dewTriplogs 2,387
Hiking8.30 Miles 1,016 AEG
Hiking8.30 Miles   2 Hrs   37 Mns   3.17 mph
1,016 ft AEG
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Early morning hike in the Sonoran McDowell Preserve. Did a loop targeting the last trail (in HAZ) that I needed to do to complete the set, the Desperado Trail. Started from the Granite Mtn TH around 5am and did a loop starting with 136 St Express. This is a curvy trail that heads north. I took this out for 2.27 miles and that brought me the Renegade Trail. It’s been awhile since I’ve been on the Renegade. Really enjoyed the section I was on. Some minor elevation, great twists and turns and beautiful views-near and far. Arrived at the Desperado Trail at 3.61. Took the Desperado back toward the TH. This trail ended fairly quickly (4.14) when it junctured with the Coyote Canyon Trail. There was a crested saguaro at that juncture. :) From here I took Coyote Canyon to the Granite Mountain Loop and took that back towards the TH.

Weather was fantastic this morning. Cloudy with a nice breeze. Looked to be very dark towards the Walking Jim Trail. I got a few spits, a flash of lightning and a hint of a rainbow, but nothing too exciting. Encountered 9 bikers and 2 hikers. Wildlife limited to a few rabbits. Bikers said he saw a baby rattler up on the trail, but I didn’t see anything when I walked by the area. I love this area and I know there are more trails in this system so I’ll definitely be coming back.
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Jan 28 2024
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45 female
 Joined Dec 24 2007
 Ahwatukee, AZ
MSPN Loop, AZ 
MSPN Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jan 28 2024
LindaAnnTriplogs 2,602
Hiking13.15 Miles 744 AEG
Hiking13.15 Miles   3 Hrs   52 Mns   3.51 mph
744 ft AEG      7 Mns Break
 
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Kelly and I opted for another loop in MSPN, this time starting from the Granite Mtn TH. Got started a little after 0715. Warmer than expected temps, but a nice breeze the entire time made for pleasant hiking weather. Did a large clockwise loop around Granite Mtn and towards the north end of the preserve. Excellent trail conditions the entire way.

Kelly and I both seem to prefer the sections of trail that wind thru the boulders, but the entire loop was pretty nice, with some good views to the north and east. The water tank at the intersection of Dove Vly & High Desert was full of clear water. Saw plenty of bikes, not many hikers until the final few miles, then it was a steady stream of them. Great day with some good mileage!

Bootlegger➡️Saddlehorn➡️Granite Mtn Lp➡️Branding Iron➡️The Divide➡️Hawknest➡️High Desert➡️Renegade➡️Desperado➡️Coyote Canyon➡️Granite Mtn Lp➡️Bootlegger
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[ checklist ]  Michelin Man Saguaro
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Jan 28 2024
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67 female
 Joined Nov 17 2008
 phoenix, az
MSPN loop, AZ 
MSPN loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jan 28 2024
trekkin_geckoTriplogs 4,660
Hiking12.68 Miles 733 AEG
Hiking12.68 Miles   3 Hrs   52 Mns   3.35 mph
733 ft AEG      5 Mns Break
 
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linda suggested another visit to MSPN, and came up with a big loop from granite mountain trailhead
neither of us had been very far north of little granite mountain
we got going around 0715
mid 50s to start, upper 60s by the end
smooth trails, some new scenery
saw a crested saguaro
i like all the granite boulders up this way
the water collection thing near dove valley trail was interesting
pretty busy once we got back on granite mountain loop, nice to be almost done by that point
thanks for the invite, linda - good hike
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Dec 09 2022
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69 male
 Joined Jan 20 2009
 Far NE Phoenix,
Granite - Cholla - points north loopy, AZ 
Granite - Cholla - points north loopy, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Dec 09 2022
The_EagleTriplogs 2,762
Hiking14.13 Miles 827 AEG
Hiking14.13 Miles   4 Hrs   10 Mns   3.39 mph
827 ft AEG8 LBS Pack
 
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With the nice weather, I didn't feel like doing stuff around the house.

I decided I was going to clear my head and churn out some easy miles in the MSPN.

Just a smattering of people out, split 50/50 hikers and MTB'ers.

The Granite Mountain - Cholla Mountain loop gets most of the traffic here having the Balanced Rock, Amphitheater and Cathedral Rock attractions. I do enjoy these trails and they are perfect for flat-lander out of town guests, but I enjoy the relative solitude of the trails north of here.

Add in the sweet rock formations everywhere and a couple of crested saguaros, with the weather and it made for an enjoyable afternoon.
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Nov 11 2022
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59 male
 Joined Oct 07 2017
 Chandler, AZ
Hawknest Trail - MSPNPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 11 2022
YoderTriplogs 273
Hiking14.00 Miles 950 AEG
Hiking14.00 Miles   4 Hrs   32 Mns   3.33 mph
950 ft AEG      20 Mns Break10 LBS Pack
 
Wanted to check out the Hawknest trail, but no easy way up there since there doesn't seem to be any trailheads you can park at in the immediate area. So I made up a 14 mile loop that will get me up there to hike a bit of it. Since it's a pretty flat area and temperatures seemed like they should be fine for the day, we headed out early in the morning.

Started off from the Granite Mountain Trailhead, we started our hike about 6:30. Things were pretty uneventful as we made our way up to Hawknest trail taking a variety of trails to get there. Hawknest trail was quite nice and mostly quiet although we did run into a couple of bikers as we made our way. Name of the trail does not disappoint, saw a couple of groupings of Harris's Hawks and got some excellent photos.

As we dropped onto the Divide trail we started to run into more bikers, and the numbers steadily increased as we continued to make our way back to the trailhead. At one point we ran into a group of 12 older bikers, and ended up playing tag with them for the next couple of hours, we must have passed them, and had them pass us about 4 times..... ](*,) . Anyhow, as we jumped onto the Granite Mountain Loop trail the hordes of bikers and hikers was on. Glad to get back to the car. Luckly we had a good 70% of the hike to ourselves before we started to run into folks.

All in all a good day.
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Mar 01 2020
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57 male
 Joined Apr 25 2011
 Goodyear, AZ
Mspn Mtb, AZ 
Mspn Mtb, AZ
 
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NightstalkerTriplogs 1,742
 Mtn Biking16.20 Miles 1,083 AEG
 Mtn Biking16.20 Miles   3 Hrs   16 Mns   7.42 mph
1,083 ft AEG   1 Hour   5 Mns Break13 LBS Pack
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Mountain bike ride at MSPN today with 100's of my closest hiking and mountain biking friends ;)
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May 12 2019
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52 female
 Joined Apr 02 2007
 Scottsdale, AZ
Desperado Trail - MSPNPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar May 12 2019
Crzy4AZTriplogs 615
Hiking4.04 Miles 311 AEG
Hiking4.04 Miles   1 Hour   49 Mns   2.40 mph
311 ft AEG      8 Mns Break52 LBS Pack
 
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Mother’s Day hike with the kids! Had just rained. Saw double crested saguaro and Michelin Man cactus. Best gift I could get is a hike together !! I carried George for a little bit - has strep throat.
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Thistle, buckhorn cholla , datura with purple blooms
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Mar 25 2017
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69 male
 Joined Jan 20 2009
 Far NE Phoenix,
McDowell Sonoran Preserve-North Loop, AZ 
McDowell Sonoran Preserve-North Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Mar 25 2017
The_EagleTriplogs 2,762
Hiking15.43 Miles 919 AEG
Hiking15.43 Miles   4 Hrs   58 Mns   3.13 mph
919 ft AEG      2 Mns Break13 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
Short walk in the park.
Beautifully cool weather.
The park is busting with blooming flora.
Banana Yucca, Poppys, Brittlebush, Dichelostemma capitatum, Fiddleneck, Scorpionweed,Desert Chicory, Globemallow, Luppine, Woolly Daisy, Wiry Lotus, Chuparosa and even Microseris :), to name a few.

This is the best time of year to enjoy this park

With afternoon plans, the goal was to hit a few trails out there I had not been on.

There were no @Mazatzal or @Crzy4AZ sightings
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Dec 23 2016
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56 male
 Joined Jul 05 2006
 Mesa, AZ
Cholla Mountain Loop - MSPNPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 23 2016
DarthStillerTriplogs 857
Hiking11.00 Miles 731 AEG
Hiking11.00 Miles   4 Hrs   34 Mns   2.41 mph
731 ft AEG
 
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In my quest to get 300 miles in before the end of the year, I decided to go back up to the northern MSP and get a few more segments of trails that I hadn't done yet. The night before my hike, Jim Lyding sent me a message asking if I was hiking the next day since he saw that I "posted" my hike via the Wishlist. We arranged to meet off the 101 and hike together. We started at about 7am, just barely enough daylight to not need a headlamp. I decided to start at the Granite Mt. Trailhead only because it's the only TH that doesn't have the timed sliding gates that won't let you park until after sunrise.

From the Granite Mt. TH, we took the Bootlegger Trail to the Granite Mt. Loop Trail, then the Balanced Rock Trail over to the section of the Cholla Mt. Loop Trail that I had not yet done. Once I got that done, we headed up for small segment on the Divide Trail until we got to the one unmapped trail. We took that north, and then took a new segment of an unmapped trail to the south and east until it connected to the Coyote Canyon Trail. From there we took the Desperado Trail over to Soapberry Wash so I could finish yet another small segment I didn't hike. After that, we hiked the remainder of the Soapberry Wash Trail to Dove Valley and the 136th St. Express back to the TH. Just barely got 11 miles total. The clouds hung low throughout the day through the mountains, making for some not very typical scenery in the Sonoran desert. Also nice to hike while the ground was still wet as opposed to the ubiquitous dust normally around everywhere. Soapberry Wash even had a tiny trickle of water in some sections of it. We almost saw no one the entire time until we were within eyeshot of the trailhead, then 3 bikers whizzed by, 2 groups of hikers arrived at the TH at the same time we did, and as we left a group of equestrians were finishing their morning jaunt.

Afterwards we had a very good lunch at the Scottsdale Beer Co., kicking off the weekend of holiday food and drink. Nice to hike with Jim again, it's been about 4 to 5 years since our last Superstitions deathmarch with Joe and Wally.
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Nov 15 2016
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77 male
 Joined Sep 09 2004
 Scottsdale, AZ
Granite Mountain Loop Trail - MSPNPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 15 2016
Sun_RayTriplogs 1,238
Hiking11.54 Miles 527 AEG
Hiking11.54 Miles   5 Hrs   23 Mns   2.70 mph
527 ft AEG   1 Hour   7 Mns Break
 
Joined an organized hike from McDowell Sonoran Conservancy. 15 of us started from Granite Mountain TH and used various trails to get to Hawknest trail and back. On the way back we had one individual who had foot issues that slowed the whole group down. Meet up was called for 7:45 AM and we left at 8:10. Wish we could have started at 7 as it was warm the last hour or so.

AVE HR:114
HIGH HR:145
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Nov 13 2016
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56 male
 Joined Jul 05 2006
 Mesa, AZ
Soapberry Wash Trail - MSPNPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 13 2016
DarthStillerTriplogs 857
Hiking10.60 Miles 622 AEG
Hiking10.60 Miles   3 Hrs   55 Mns   2.71 mph
622 ft AEG
 
1st trip
Got out for a quick morning hike with a later kickoff for the Steelers, doing a few more trails I haven't hiked yet. Right at dawn I saw another saguaro with about 5 hawks sitting on the tops of all the arms.

I took the 136th St. Express Trail and finished of the last section of that I hadn't done, then did a figure 8 of the Dove Valley, Cowpoke and Old Paint Wash Trails, the took the Old Paint Wash Trail up to the Soapberry Wash Trail, Desperado Trail, then went east on the Coyote Canyon Trail, back to the Dove Valley Trail, and did a section of the Renegade Trail. I circled back taking the Renegade-Soapberry Wash connector to Soapberry, then got back on the Renegade eastward again to 136th St and back to the TH.

I was hoping to finish up a section of the Cholla Mtn Trail, but if I did that, it would have been over 15 miles, which is more than I wanted to do today. I also forgot to take my snacks, so I was ready to get home for lunch.
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Oct 04 2016
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67 male
 Joined Jul 28 2004
 Scottsdale, AZ
Renegade - Diablos - Desperado, AZ 
Renegade - Diablos - Desperado, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Oct 04 2016
mazatzalTriplogs 1,348
Hiking10.20 Miles 556 AEG
Hiking10.20 Miles   4 Hrs   30 Mns   2.45 mph
556 ft AEG      20 Mns Break
 
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Back to MSPN :roll:

Barb’s :next: Dove Valley :next: Renegade :next: High Desert :next: The Divide :next: N. Diablo :next: S. Diablo :next: Branding Iron :next: Granite Mountain Loop :next: Coyote Canyon :next: Desperado :next: Renegade :next: 136th Express :next: Barb’s

Saw 2 mountain bikers and some evidence of motor bikes coming in from 136th St :(
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Aug 21 2016
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 Joined Apr 02 2007
 Scottsdale, AZ
Renegade Trail - MSPNPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Aug 21 2016
Crzy4AZTriplogs 615
Hiking6.50 Miles 376 AEG
Hiking6.50 Miles   3 Hrs   34 Mns   2.47 mph
376 ft AEG      56 Mns Break
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Last night had a hike rained out - was determined to get in a good hike this morning. Set alarm for 4:30am. Got close to Tonto on 136th St by 5:45am. Was spit raining - huge wall of rain over Brown's Mtn. MyWeather radar app showed it moving away from my planned area. I basically didn't care - was getting this hike in.

Plan was to do entirety of Renegade now that signs are up. Last times on Renegade I did the "Heaven Hill" portion but didn't know how it connected to other trails on either side. Knew generalities but not names or details. So I used TrailForks map to see where I was going when I wasn't near a sign since the new City map won't be out for another week or so.

136th St Express down to start of Renegade :next: to the end of Renegade and backtracked to Desperado :next: down to Soapberry Wash (and intersection with Michelin Man cactus) :next: Soapberry to Renegade connector :next: Dove Valley :next: Barb's :next: 136th.

Temp was 73 at start and low 80's when I finished. I took 56 minutes of break. Mostly laying around on top of Heaven Hill watching sun break though cloud layers and thinking how much I loved the quiet and solitude but simultaneously wished I wasn't alone. I haven't had a drink in 42 days and feel so much better - skin/hair/clothes fitting so much better. Nothing horrible made me stop. Just felt like need for alcohol was escalating and was using it to get dissociative from daily life. Not healthy. And not drinking on Fri/Sat nights makes it much easier to get up crack of dawn for hikes.

Because of the rain and storms - I was the only human out on trails for at least two hours. You get panoramic views from the three bumps/hills on Renegade - - cloud cover was just wonderful. Bugs were intensely awful and I had to keep a rag on my nose/mouth for most of the hike to keep from vacuuming them up as I walked. Still worth it to get out on these trails before word gets out how great they are. Rain+alarm clock+bugs == no one else out there LOL.

I am posting a crap ton of photos because it was just so beautiful. Side note: I am far behind posting triplogs from spring. I know how to make it not show up on main page. Will slowly get those filled in. And somehow I need to get motivation to write up these hike descriptions.

Route Scout app rocks. I love uploading to HAZ. And TrailForks has one mislabeled section of Renegade and is missing two short connectors.
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white ratany, desert senna, barrel cactus blooms
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Apr 02 2016
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52 female
 Joined Apr 02 2007
 Scottsdale, AZ
Soapberry Wash Trail - MSPNPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 02 2016
Crzy4AZTriplogs 615
Hiking3.50 Miles 101 AEG
Hiking3.50 Miles   1 Hour   34 Mns   2.36 mph
101 ft AEG      5 Mns Break
 
God I love this loop. Arrived off 136th St random pull out just before sunrise. This loop at sunrise is phenomenal. Watching sun come into Coyote Canyon and light up Michelin Man cactus....amazing. Scattered flowers see report below. Whole day today after hike dedicated to packing up kids and me for Masters week in Augusta. Flying out tomorrow (Sunday).

Barb's :next: Dove Valley :next: Soapberry Wash through the granite area (not the bike bypass) :next: future Desperado trail (has Michelin Man cactus on it) :next: Coyote Canyon :next: Dove Valley :next: Barb's in a lasso loop.
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purple thistle, white ratany, owl clover, banana yucca blooms, brittle bush (rare), those dandelion looking things.
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