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Jan 03 2024
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 Chandler, AZ
Herman Mtn Summit and Hermans Cave, AZ 
Herman Mtn Summit and Hermans Cave, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jan 03 2024
John10sTriplogs 346
Hiking18.30 Miles 3,711 AEG
Hiking18.30 Miles   10 Hrs   34 Mns   1.96 mph
3,711 ft AEG   1 Hour   14 Mns Break
 
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A few weeks ago, I tried hiking up to the summit of Herman Mountain via the west side from Trap Canyon but ran out of time, and the plan today was to try it again with a more direct route going up the south side from Red Tanks Trail. There were 10 other vehicles at Peralta, and it was in the low 40s when we started ~7AM.

We hiked most of this same route last time, too, so there weren't many surprises, but we saw three deer along Dutchman Trail early on, and it was nice to see a little more water at some of the crossings after the rain in late December. Whiskey Spring Trail is still well-maintained, which is one of the reasons I wanted to come back and try this again relatively soon before the catclaw overtakes the trail again.

When we got into Upper La Barge, TboneKathy waited below Herman's Cave while I took off for the peak. I left Red Tanks ~ a quarter mile past the cave and started up a ravine. It wasn't too steep but was very brushy early on, and the first few tenths of a mile were slow as I pushed through branches and thorns and tried to position myself on the right side of a few drainages. I ended up veering farther east than the route I'd drawn up, but it worked well and shortened the distance a little. As I'd hoped, the brush let up once I gained some elevation.

The views opened up once I got up on the ridge, and last quarter mile to the peak was faster with more open, flatter terrain. It's a fairly plain-looking peak--flat and open with a lot of low desert brush, a lot like Music Mountain to the north...but the views of the Ridgeline, Weaver's Needle, Picacho Butte, etc. are very nice. I spent a few unsuccessful minutes looking for the summit register that @ScottHika placed in 2021 [ photo ] but didn't see a summit cairn or the register, so either I missed something obvious or someone has removed it, though pseaudalpine mentioned seeing it in November.

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I headed back down the same way and rejoined TBoneKathy, then made a quick trip up to Herman's Cave before we started back. I also detoured up to Miner's Summit before hiking down Dutchman and catching up with her again, and we only saw one other person all day after leaving the trailhead. The sky had clouded over in the afternoon and it turned into a dreary, overcast day, but during the last mile of the hike, the sun broke free and lit up Barkley Basin in beautiful gold just before sunset, and as we got back to Peralta in near-dark, we heard at least two great horned owls calling...it combined to make a great end to the day and a nice start to the new year of hiking.
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Several large pools and a light but steady flow in a few places
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Dec 09 2023
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Trap Canyon - Herman Mountain Exploration, AZ 
Trap Canyon - Herman Mountain Exploration, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Dec 09 2023
John10sTriplogs 346
Hiking19.82 Miles 3,665 AEG
Hiking19.82 Miles   10 Hrs   24 Mns   2.07 mph
3,665 ft AEG      50 Mns Break
 
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My plan for today was to try out a ~20-mile route-trip route to the summit of Herman Mountain from Peralta, hiking up through the west side of Trap Canyon. There are shorter/more direct routes up Herman, but this one looked like one of the flatter approaches and had the added bonus of some hiking in Trap Canyon, which I always enjoy.

We headed out on Dutchman right around sunrise, and cars were pouring into the parking lot at Peralta as we got started. Within a few minutes, a Pinal County Sheriff helicopter passed overhead and flew up Peralta Canyon and back, then landed in the Lost Goldmine parking lot, where there were some flashing lights...not sure if that was training or an early morning rescue operation.

Not quite a mile in, we stepped off the trail to let a guy pass, and he started sharing his theories on the helicopter and then moved on to other stories from his recent Superstition hikes. I wouldn't have minded story time if he'd at least kept moving, but he just stood there talking as the minutes passed, and I eventually had to cut him off and tell him that we needed to keep moving...

We saw two more people on Dutchman, and Whiskey Spring and Red Tanks Trails were in about the best shape I've seen them--there was a little catclaw in some spots, but it looked like someone had done recent trail maintenance, so that saved us a lot of time and scratches. Not surprisingly, it was very dry out there--we didn't see any water at Bark at Dutchman or Whiskey Spring and only occasional, small puddles in the creek beds.

TBoneKathy waited near Trap Spring, and I hiked into Trap to try out the route. When I was there last February, Trap Canyon had water everywhere--deep pools and small waterfalls, and we had to take our boots off and wade through some spots and find creative ways around the deeper pools. Today was the opposite--other than a few small, shallow pools, everything was dry. Not as scenic, but it was great for moving quickly through the canyon, and it was nice not stepping in quicksand today. I passed a tent and some camping equipment near the arch, but the backpacker must've been out exploring.

Brush/catclaw are the big obstacles getting out of the creek bed, and I picked a rocky area to avoid that, but I ended up leaving the creek too early and wasted time dropping back down to a very brushy drainage and up the other side, cutting through catclaw along the way. I followed the drainage until it flattened out, and the terrain was easy up on top, but I'd lost a lot of time. On the way up, I saw a few very tall, deliberately-built cairns in random spots, which was odd.

I came within ~2/3 of a mile and ~500 feet of elevation from the peak and could see it ahead, but TBoneKathy had already been waiting an hour at that point. If I continued to the summit and spent a little time there before turning around, I figured she'd end up waiting ~ three hours total and didn't want to make her do that, so I made that my turnaround spot and started back. [ youtube video ]

I took a more efficient route down into the creek bed in Trap on the way back, but there's no way to avoid the catclaw. Following the creek bed toward the west entrance, I crossed paths with the backpacker and talked to him for a few minutes--he'd hiked to the traps but didn't go all the way through to Hoolie Bacon. I rejoined TBoneKathy for the hike out, and we saw three more people before taking a food break at the Whiskey Spring/Dutchman intersection. While she started down Dutchman, I made a quick detour up to Miner's Summit and signed the register. I'd never been up there and figured it could be the consolation peak today since I came up a little short on Herman :).

I caught up with her, and we finished off the last few miles with nice late afternoon shadows and were back at Peralta around 5:15PM. I'll probably come back and try Herman again soon while the trails are in good shape and Trap Canyon is dry, because conditions were perfect for moving quickly, and the route is straightforward and would've worked well if I'd just stayed in the creek bed a little longer on the way in.
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Dry creek bed heading into the west entrance of Trap

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Moisture/seepage on a few rocks and one very small stagnant puddle nearby, but essentially dry

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Nov 29 2023
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Trap CanyonPhoenix, AZ
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Canyoneering18.96 Miles 3,838 AEG
Canyoneering18.96 Miles   8 Hrs   23 Mns   2.46 mph
3,838 ft AEG      41 Mns Break
 
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Trap Canyon is definitely aptly named, especially considering the upper labyrinth of boulders, chutes, gaps, pockets, sand, shelves, turns and tunnels! It would likely be much tougher if it had flowing water, but to consider this a canyoneering route is somewhat silly. I'm delighted I did the complete canyon (unlike many of the other previous trips). : wink : I despise the uninspiring Hoolie Bacon Trail so much that I decided spur of the moment to instead hike over the top of Herman Mountain. It was a great decision that turned out better than expected. Not too shabby of a view in all directions. There were three parties vaguely signed in at the summit. The first was illegible (maybe Feb.'21?). The second was Jordyn & Lee and the third was your DPS DADDY! AKA Trail Ghost or just Greg. :-k Clear bottles as summit registers don't work well as the writing fades quickly. I also detoured to Herman's Cave for a quick lunch, which was very peaceful. The Whiskey Spring Trail isn't a favorite of mine, but it gets the job done. Also, some stupid jackholes have left a bunch of trash in the firepit near the spring Cottonwoods. Might have to haul that out next time I'm hiking through.
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Feb 07 2021
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Whiskey West - Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
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ScottHikaTriplogs 50
Hiking20.00 Miles 3,999 AEG
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Friends wanted to watch football. Rather than watch Tom Brady win again I opted for Herman Mountain. I’ve wanted to summit Herman, and as a new experience I’ve never been atop before! I did a solo summit hike with a few side trips. Apparently I’m not as fast as I once was. It’s getting harder and harder to do things like this in one day. To be honest, much of this trip was passing through scorched earth in order to get to the places I wanted to see.

It was 39F when I started. Sadly, Barkley or Miners basins are tough for me to look at these days. One exception is that the fire makes it easier to see old trails. In this case the old Miners trail going up to Miners Saddle. Back in the day, Miners trail was the only route from QCU up to the saddle. (It was the route Adolph Ruth took among countless others.) This was before forest service rerouted Dutchman’s and replaced the old track in the 1960s with the current 104 route (east side). You can still see it faintly winding up the west side of the draw. I might just start using that old trail to keep if from disappearing completely.

Whiskey Springs was rush hour traffic! I passed about a dozen overnighters packing out in the morning. Then I didn't see a soul for the rest of the day. Whiskey Springs is where the destination began to come into view. Herman Mountain appears straight ahead. I searched all over and had a hard time finding summit completions. I noticed that @wallyfrack was there in 2014 and 2015. I didn’t follow his path, but that was really helpful. Thanks Wally!

From Red Tanks I picked a route that I thought an old miner would take to go up to the mesa. With no trail and in the middle of nowhere I spotted a horseshoe signaling that I was on the right track. Then I found cast off cans and bottles encouraging me to continue. Then I found hidden prospect sites getting more exciting. Finally I found the Miners den! That was really thrilling. I played around that area way too long, which would later cause me to come back in the dark. No regrets.

Herman Mountain is cliff ringed meaning there is no easy way up. It is also bigger on top than is seems. It is cut by Trap Canyon to the north and La Barge to the south. Red Tanks trail winds around two sides and Hoolie Bacon borders the east. The plateau is littered with quartz, crystals and conglomerate sparkling in the sun. Atop I played and interesting game of operation. My sunglasses fell deep into a thicket of catclaw. The operation was a success. There were two summit cairns, so I chose the one with the old wooden survey stake. Both appear about the highest elevation. I found no summit log so I left a small bottle for anyone else to sign. Hopefully I picked the correct summit. They are not far apart. The choice was 50/50 (better than the odds on today’s big game). :)

I thought it would be fun to slide down into Trap canyon and take an alternate route out. It didn’t look bad on topo, but that proved to be a poor decision. I was really slowed down with more canyoneering than hiking. I also had to push past impassible plant growth barriers. The fires never make it down into Trap there. The plus was the emergence of pleasant streams and pools and waterfalls. I’ve been missing the sound of water during my hikes. Trap was really nice on the way out and I need to make a pass all the way through one day.

More boulder hopping and then back to La Barge for a recharge. By then I was on autopilot back to my car at Peralta. The trip clocked just under 20 miles, but RS crashed twice so I figure I get my 20 for sake of argument. :) The sunset was spectacular.
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Nov 13 2015
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Herman's CavePhoenix, AZ
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Hiking avatar Nov 13 2015
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Hiking18.20 Miles 4,326 AEG
Hiking18.20 Miles   8 Hrs   35 Mns   2.12 mph
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It's Friday the 13th so take a day off and hike. I've been wanting to get to the true summit on Herman's Mountain but the weekend traffic at the Peralta trailhead kept me away. A weekday visit was the answer. I started late 8a for me but there was plenty of parking. I saw a couple hiking near Miners Summit at that was all until later on the way out. I poked around a few areas on the hike in as focusing on one goal never seems to work. I think I finally located the old wreck site in Whiskey Canyon but still verifying. The hike up south of Trap Canyon onto Herman Mountain always ends up with some scrambling/climbing. I took a detour over above Trap Canyon to look for an old mine from above but the photos didn't turn up anything. The off trail on the mountain is a little rough but fairly open so you can make good time hiking across. There are some ups and downs and a little catclaw to avoid but the views are nice and you have the place to yourself. After hiking all the way across and getting to the ast summit I took some photos and started back. I got cliffed out a few times trying to short cut the exit but after some scrambling I got back on track. I was greeted by a diamondback coming off the ridge above Red Tanks trail. I could tell the rattler was friendly because he kept wagging his tail. :lol: A brief photo session ensued and I was off again. Hiking the trails out was uneventful and I was back at the TH by 4:25p.
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