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Lion Mountain 4570 & 4608 - 2 members in 6 triplogs have rated this an average 4 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Copper Lion Loop, AZ 
Copper Lion Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Dec 04 2024
joebartelsTriplogs 5,894
Hiking19.99 Miles 5,150 AEG
Hiking19.99 Miles   19 Hrs   29 Mns   1.09 mph
5,150 ft AEG   1 Hour   10 Mns Break
 
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Started at 4:52am
It officially got cold passing Thicket Spring turnoff. Based on the darkness I figured a new moon. We followed Copper Camp where I missed the turn weeks ago. With a preoccupied mind pondering avenues for recoding RS in my spare time along with MapDEX, like hunters destroying the forum & five days of demeaning joy, I questioned the turn. It didn't take long for us to miss another slight turn but we figured it out soon after.

8.03mi - 7:57am | 3h 5m
Off-trail, beating schedule.

I loaded up on water and added a Chocolate Coconut Luna Bar to the minimal mix. It was unexpectedly delicious and little did I know I was in close ties with a Clif relative... lol

10.54mi - 9:43am | 4h 51m
On Dream Ridge, inspiring progress. I switched wardrobes. We cleared the chalk band as I did weeks ago. We started hooking around the rock blob band. At 11.17mi John jigged instead of jagging. I mentioned this mini subtle ridge earlier, so I didn't object. Yet I should have when he opted for the shortest distance between two points. What looked like 20 feet of nuisance scree was 0.2 mi. My 3-pt contact/balance slowed to a crawl.

11.51mi - 12:04pm
I reached Lion where John had been for the past day or 15min, remarkably deciphering surrounding peaks. Enjoyed a long lunch. Then headed to 4570. Babbling returning to the descent, I missed the turn to pad our stats another 0.2mi. 23min quicker descending than my previous because John navigated so I could keep my good right hand free.

13.59mi - 3:48pm | 10h 56m
Stepped into the South Fork of Sheep Creek. A sprinkle on a minimal cloud day escalated to a short soaking. We got out and skirted the creek on a game trail where it was to our advantage. Then back down to the known good pool and John pumped water... smarter than my carry the weight option.

The creek had a light flow vs occasional pools on my previous recent hikes. Despite never slipping or falling, I turned the tables on being way ahead of schedule and John offered to carry my pack. A new pool from recent moisture put a thorn in staying dry.

John scrambled up the right. I disagreed but held my tongue because the dude was carrying my pack and cutting a path up a 40° slope for an idiot who couldn't use either hand. John was excited to find a game trail. I knew it wouldn't pan out but it quickly deciphered what needed to be corrected. I've never driven and been correct about something so I was on cloud nine.

Backtracked and walked through the inevitable pool(72.4° left/ 90° right) getting the turn into Tournament Creek.

4:12 Up Up & Away
I waited at the precarious cactus scramble for John to yipper barefoot through the creek and let him take out some anger on the cactus. Bonus time dwindled to even. My state was making progress 3-5 times slower.

5:30pm Base of 4642
John went above and beyond, carrying my pack, and navigating out. In addition, he steadied my steps up the 1h 8m 400 ascent of 4642. Heading over to Chalk it was easy to see when Fountain Hills was in view due to the sliver moon, so we sent out still-alive messages when a signal surfaced.

Chalk and Marion continued their previous beats of wreaking havoc. John clipped Chalk so scratch that off no reason to return.

9:35pm Trail!
Despite a horrible fall risk and impossible to match the opening 18.5,17.3,16.3(AYFKM),18.3-minute miles, I led as fast as I could. Reviewing splits, still slow...lol

Synopsis
It was great to meet John and I am grateful for his above and beyond help in a bad situation. Several of the early-mile past-hike stories had funny transitions as the day progressed. My favorite was when John asked, so how does this hike rank on memorable hikes?

Be careful, it's a jungle out there.
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[ checklist ]  Saddle Mountain 6,535, Mazatzal

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Tournament Creek Medium flow Medium flow
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Flowing, because it poured on us a 1/2 hour earlier. Otherwise occasional pools.
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 Chandler, AZ
Copper Lion Loop, AZ 
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Hiking avatar Dec 04 2024
John10sTriplogs 346
Hiking21.22 Miles 5,040 AEG
Hiking21.22 Miles   19 Hrs   14 Mns   1.41 mph
5,040 ft AEG   4 Hrs   10 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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Synopsis: The Dislocation Debacle (TL;DR Version)
Hiked with @joebartels for the first time on the Lion Mountain/Copper loop that he completed last month. Planned on a 10-12 hour hike, first portion was relatively smooth sailing up to 4608, across the ridge to 4570, and back down the mountain. Second portion less smooth: storm passed through and drenched us, Joe dislocated his shoulder and couldn't get it popped back in, I accidentally discharged some bear spray, we missed a key turn to leave the creek bed, then had a slow hike out in the dark that finally ended after midnight, missing our 10-12 hour target by an hour...or eight.

Full Version
Well, that didn't go as expected...this was my first time meeting and hiking with Joe, and what we'd optimistically hoped would be a 10 to 12-hour day took over 19 hours. I'd had Lion Mountain on my list for a while, and Joe can't seem to stay away after two trips in November :). When he posted plans for a return trip on HAZ, I was in. He completed this loop solo in ~14 hours a few weeks ago [ photoset ] , and we figured with his knowledge of the route and two of us navigating, we could shave a few hours off that.

We left the valley at ~3AM and took off from Mormon Grove Trailhead just before 5AM with our headlamps on and clear, starry skies overhead. We cruised through the early miles and were around to the northwest side of Saddle Mountain on Copper Camp Trail for the sunrise, then Lion Mountain came into view a little farther along as the peak got hit with the first sunlight of the morning.

We left the trail after ~8.5 miles and started working our way down among the drainages into a new area of the Mazatzals for me, one with geology that reminded me of parts of the Superstitions. Joe and I took a break at the base of Lion Mountain and ate a snack before we started the ascent, and at that point we were a few hours ahead of Joe's previous time, having also started earlier than he did last time.

Dream Ridge had two cliff bands to navigate, a lighter lower one and a darker upper band, but there was only one spot that required a minor scramble, and we stayed left of both bands and made good progress despite the steep grade. Closer to the ridgeline, I made a regrettable route choice and took a more direct route at the peak than Joe's 11/13 route. Shorter distance-wise, but that took us through a lot of steep, loose scree and ultimately slowed us both down. Still, we reached the top of Lion around noon.

There was a large cairn on top, but no summit register that we found. We spent ~40 minutes on top eating lunch and enjoying the awesome panoramic views--Bartlett and Horseshoe are both visible, many of the Mazatzal landmarks (Saddle, Peeley, Sheep, Catherine, Davenport, etc.), Four Peaks, Ord, SB, the Superstition Ridgeline, Weaver's Needle, Red Mountain, and more. Some clouds started to gather, and it looked like rain was falling to the north, but the forecast that morning had said clear skies.

Lion 4608: [ youtube video ]

We followed Lion Ridge over to Peak 4570...nice views, but the peak isn't as prominent as 4608, and it's not immediately obvious where the high point is [ youtube video ] . From there, we dropped down the ravine on the southeast side of the mountain. No major obstacles there, but slow going with steep terrain and lots of cactus, loose rock, and some brush. Clouds gathered and started sprinkling on us as we got to the creek bed at the bottom, and then it poured as we approached the South Fork of Sheep Creek, soaking us pretty good with 6+ miles to go. Fortunately, the heavy rain only lasted a few minutes.

We still had a shot at making it out around sunset, but the wheels came off as we approached the confluence of Tournament Creek/Sheep Creek. There was water in the creek bed in areas it had been dry for Joe on his 11/13 loop, so we had a few minor creek crossings to deal with. One spot had a tricky, uneven landing spot on the far side, and Joe asked for a hand for stability as he crossed. I took his right hand and pulled as he stepped across, and he went down: dislocated shoulder. Excruciating pain.

He spent some time trying to pop it back in and had me push and pull at different angles, but it wasn't going back in. We still had 4-5 miles to go, most of it off-trail, and Joe was in extreme pain and had no good arms with plenty of scrambling and rough/brushy terrain between us and the trailhead. But he felt like if we could get out of the creek bed, he'd be able to make it out.

With water in the creek that would require wading to reach our exit point, I scrambled up the south bank to scout out a possible shortcut and thought I found one. With a lot of pain, effort, and scratches, Joe was able to join me up on south bank of the creek, but something didn't look right. As the sun set, Joe realized we were heading down Sheep Creek when our exit point out of the creek bed was on the side opposite us, starting up Tournament Creek...the HAZ topo map in that part of the Mazatzals is shifted ~210', which added to the confusion when we were studying Route Scout. We'd just wasted a lot of time and effort climbing up that bank and would have to backtrack.

I had my backpack on and Joe's pack slung over my shoulder...in hindsight, a little too close to a cannister of bear spray on my belt. When I stumbled into some brush, his pack knocked the safety clip off the bear spray, and it discharged. Luckily, it sprayed directly into my side, and we only got a whiff of spray with no ill effects, but I had a burning sensation on my skin for the rest of the night. I didn't realize it until later, but somewhere in the darkness and chaos around there, I also lost a pair of sunglasses.

We regrouped, pulled out the headlamps, and worked our way slowly back down the rocky bank, waded east, and Joe found the correct exit point from Tournament Creek. I helped brace him and support his weight so he could avoid putting pressure on the dislocated shoulder as we climbed up a short wall, and we worked our way up the 100' ascent out of the creek and continued east. We settled into our rhythm for the next few hours: Joe took the lead, I brought up the rear with the packs on my back and both our phones out, plugged into portable chargers, navigating with Route Scout and directing Joe while trying not to snag phone cords on brush in the dark.

Before the next big obstacle, we had cell reception and sent some "don't send S&R" texts to people back home. Then we tackled the 400' climb up to 4642, which took over an hour to cover the steep, loose ~0.25-mile. We went up side-by-side, one step at a time with me bracing Joe under his left arm and taking careful steps to make sure we both stayed upright. It was a relief to get that one behind us, then we had a major brush battle and some navigation challenges getting around Chalk Spring, and the clippers came out again as we pushed/cut through some thick areas.

We finally had some easier hiking as we picked up horse trail near Marion Spring and eventually connected with Little Saddle Mountain Trail to complete our loop, back at Joe's truck just after midnight. After a few more unsuccessful attempts to pop Joe's shoulder back in, we started the drive, with Joe still in agony. When we arrived back in the valley ~2AM, I'd been awake for more than 24 hours straight.

Not the experience I'd imagined for my first hike with Joe--I didn't expect we'd both set personal records for longest day-hikes and that I'd literally spend the entire day with him :). But I was happy we were able to get ourselves out and tremendously impressed that Joe finished the loop with a dislocated shoulder in that terrain in the dark : rambo : . It's a beautiful area and a day I'm sure we'll never forget, even if there are parts we'd like to :). Great meeting Joe and a huge thank you for organizing the hike and doing the hard work establishing the route last month. Despite the obvious setbacks, I enjoyed the day!
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Tournament Creek Medium flow Medium flow
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Flowing after recent rain, otherwise occasional pools
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Copper Lion Loop, AZ 
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Hiking avatar Nov 13 2024
joebartelsTriplogs 5,894
Hiking19.41 Miles 5,215 AEG
Hiking19.41 Miles   14 Hrs   49 Mns   1.37 mph
5,215 ft AEG      42 Mns Break
 
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There were only two or three campers on the drive-in and nobody at the trailhead. Started at 5:41 a.m. with a shooting star. A little into the hike, Fountain Hills illuminates the skyline. Perhaps the Payson lights can be seen from the north end of the wilderness. A mile in it started to get light.

My squeeze valve was leaking, so I was drinking as much as possible early on. Hydration would be key today with a slight fever and a sore throat. Having worked every breathing moment since the last hike I neglected to get a few things done like getting the foxtails out of my shoes... Lol

Sheep Creek Trail
This trail is well maintained in the upper former AZT portion. Approaching Thicket Spring Trail, Sheep is a small group of unburned tall pines. I thought wow, what a nice camping area until I realized the insulation layer harbored deep freeze temps. Shortly after Thicket Spring Trail, Sheep was more the type of trail I anticipated being on.

A few Hank-Bruce waypoints would'a been wise in hindsight. I went off-trail way too early, picking up a bonus gladiator round with locust. Rookie mistake, I was only 2.2 mi from the actual off-trail... Lol Copper Camp Loop Trail resembles the Audubon once you pay attention.

Evidence of well-fed bears. Viewing my loop as a clock, notably from 5-7 & 10-12.

Approaching the turn-off, I was getting bummed because I thought I was too low on water and would have to abort. Stopping to check, I had plenty and life was good. 2 minutes later, backing up to frame a Lion photo I fell. My left thigh met a rock. Albeit painful it just made sitting awkward/undesirable (I wasn't planning on sitting around).

Off-trail
Turned down off of the theoretical Copper Camp Trail at 9:52. Luckily, I planned where it mattered. The finger ridges may seem easy from a birds-eye-view but dodging the undesirables sooner than later saves resources.

South Fork Sheep Creek
Made it down to the creek. With the grapefruit on my thigh and two new blood-sprinklers tourniqueted with sun sleeves, I contemplated skipping the goal, walking the creek, and turning in my man card. Took some Advil and baby steps up Dream Ridge. Extending my left leg or pushing hard was no bueno. Since the right knee can not handle much fun I took baby steps and laughed at myself.

Dream Ridge
What should have taken me 35 minutes, took 97. Two bands are encountered heading up. The first is chalk or such and the second is slower weathering blobs of rock. A well-balanced hiker with a good pair of hands might get through both. I dodged both hooking left. It's an average 45° grade for the main leg, so I would rather ascend.

Lion Mountain 4608
The views from 4570 last week were pretty good but I needed to evaluate the feasibility of other ideas. Strong 4G like 4570. 25 minutes to evaluate, start lunch, and let someone have a clue where I was if things didn't pan out. That's step one if you do them in order. Parted ways @ 2 PM.

Lion Ridge
It's pretty easy but it's not a relaxing stroll. I had two options to get down. The subway route I took last week is guaranteed but I wanted to try the Southwest Ravine to save ground.

Southwest Ravine
It might work all the way up but there is a band at the top I didn't have time to explore. In favor of higher odds, I hooked it early where it was easy to drop. No biggie but more cactus and brush to dodge than Dream Ridge. Albeit less steep at an average 40° grade, I had to glissade two 15-20 ft runs.

Return
Same as last week. Minus two reassurance sips and a Monster Pipeline, I was out of water with 6 to go. The difference is that I was well-hydrated up to this point. South Fork Sheep Creek > skirt high on the north > drop back down before Tournament > a few paces into Tournament scramble the wall with the precarious cactus... those are key. The last glow of daylight fizzled out on the 400 ft ascent up 4642. Enjoyed the Pipeline. My only concern was Marion. If things went awry, I would just go west no matter what. Chalk hassled me a little then I walked through Marion without blinking.
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Lion Mountain 4570 & 4608Phoenix, AZ
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joebartelsTriplogs 5,894
Hiking14.78 Miles 3,750 AEG
Hiking14.78 Miles   12 Hrs   29 Mns   1.26 mph
3,750 ft AEG      47 Mns Break
 
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About two dozen vehicles/campers/squatters on the way to the trailhead. It was a warm 33° driving along the creek, followed by a freezing 37° at the trailhead.

Turned off-trail at 7am. Breezed in-n-out of route-finding nuisance Marion and my confidence was high.

4977 is the white edged butte you ponder for a good half mile after Marion. The difficulty of the hike unfolds as you get closer. Lion is lower.

Three-rock-cairn takes you down a live oak luge around Chalk. Slightly south is a natural. A beautiful view of 4977 with a pinion pine comes quickly. Then a better-than-expected trail hooks right.

After going over white-flush-boulder you round the corner and 4642 comes in view. If contemplating avoiding 4642 on the immediate north, practice belly-flop dives on a few million thumbtacks.

That eagle route isn't loaded with manzanita and catclaw is isolated. Since he despises 4642, I was hoping for a miracle. It was primarily dense live oak, with some mahogany, and sugar sumac. Sliding down/over a 30+ foot stretch turned from fun to visions of a Griswold sleigh ride. Adrenaline handled the lateral.

Once around or down 4642, you realize you have not been looking at Lion. Poachers Peak obstructs. Next work down to Tournament. Lower Sheep or side skirting Poacher is fairly easy travel to Lion. I've wanted to hike Lion for eleven years since Ken's annual Copper Camp Loop, found a good pace with turnaround time approaching.

Wired on Pipeline and easy ascending, I figured it was best to slow down and conserve. I ripped a catclaw bush out of the available option at Fox Nose Ravine. Up a short 2-step narrow, I soon encountered forget-it boulder.

Several direct options loaded on RS. Decided to skip all and go with a higher yield route. The saddle came easy. Years ago, I didn't get this topo centered. Social adventurist will never set foot on this mountain, the balance will figure out the route.

Lunch on the south high point. Marion almost had my number on the return. Satisfied with reason to return a few times.
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Lion Mountain 4570 & 4608Phoenix, AZ
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joebartelsTriplogs 5,894
Hiking10.00 Miles 2,520 AEG
Hiking10.00 Miles   8 Hrs   47 Mns   1.33 mph
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Last year, Bruce threw out a hike that included Lion Mountain. It's been on my radar ever since admiring it a stone's throw away 11 years ago. South Fork of Sheep Creek was incredible last year but we had to skip Lion.

On that trip, we created an impromptu escape route to avoid hiking back up the creek. For over a year I've envisioned utilizing that escape route as an express route to Lion.

Our hike went well to the steep descent from 4642, which we ascended last year to escape the creek. A slow crawl but I thought it went better than memory served. Likewise on a semi-steep drop to Tournament Creek.

We crossed Tournament Creek and started skirting Poachers Peak just above the creek level. I got a mini adrenalin boost. On the same token, daylight calculations, safety, and such were bleak. Bruce had been a good sport, so I suggested we abort and return.

With a little extra time, we attempted to find Marion Spring. HAZ Topo Lion Mountain is shifted approximately 240 ft west and it's questionable if topo has it correct. We found several paths, circled a pool, said a hail Marion, baptized three blind mice and finished the hike.

Synopsis
This started as a trip to a treadmill behind Dove Mountain Resort that morphed into a rewarding failure. Long pants are necessary for many areas and a long shirt is wise for a couple of ravines on the approach. There are 3 or 4 obvious ways to hit Lion looking at topo. Hope a few avid HAZ'rs get to enjoy it.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Marion Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Clear pool not sure about a spring
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Lion Mountain 4570 & 4608Phoenix, AZ
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,762
Hiking10.36 Miles 2,556 AEG
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It was Linda's week to pick, so Joe came up with this one, a rehash of an attempt from last year.

The drive in on FR201/25 was uneventful. The road is in decent shape with two shallow creek crossings. I was mindful of the rules of the road while making the climb up to the TH, noting what I would do if I met another driver on the narrow road sections.

A glorious 32 degrees with no wind to start, as the sun was rising. We peered over to Mt Ord and wondered if @DixieFlyer was making his bi-monthly ascent (he was). The first 1.2 miles were on established trails.

After that, we followed an old cowboy trail that ran past Marion Spring (flowing) and the two Chalk Springs (Pools) until it petered out. Travel was okay until we had to cross the drainages. There it was thick, overgrown, and moist from the previous day's rains. We were soaked. Joe may have also mentioned that his shoes were wet a few times.

Cross-country travel was easy to Peak 4642. The steep, loose descent slowed us down a bit. Making our way over to the confluence of the South Fork of Sheep Creek and Tournament Creek, we scouted for a route down and back up the other side of Tournament Creek. Once again, slow going.

After a bit further, Joe suggested we were going to run out of light if we continued the additional two miles and 1500' to the peak. I had already turned around.

Now all we had to do was go up all the steep, loose stuff we'd hit on our way to this point.

Since we had some extra time on the way back, we stopped at the Marion Spring area to search it out and attempt to find Joe's reading glasses that were lost in one of the thickets. We were 1 for 2, the spring was flowing nicely.

I'm going to leave this summit for some more adventurous (read younger) HAZ'ers. I can't wait to read about it!
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Marion Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout
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