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Casner Mountain Trail #8 - 9 members in 15 triplogs have rated this an average 3.1 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Mar 29 2023
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Taylor Cabin Loop, AZ 
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Jumped the gun on this one. Fourth year in a row, keep finding reasons to revisit this loop. This year it was for the big flow. Gage down stream by the Verde confluence said 75cfs. Was a lot lower than the 3000+ from the previous two weeks, but to be honest I still have little frame of reference for those numbers. I do understand, however, the provisional data disclaimer on the USGS website after this hike. Ended up fording the creek over my waist twice. Cold water, fast flowing. As the temps warm and the flow subsides, I think it'll prove a great year for Taylor Cabin and this stretch of Sycamore and all its top tier swimming holes.

Casner Trail, if you're thinking of driving it, was super eroded in the last year. There were tire tracks, so somebody managed to do it, but I can't imagine the set up you'd need for a couple of the switchbacks.

Taylor Cabin Trail is very much deteriorated since March last year. The big washouts are now impassible. More of the route is off trail. It's tough. Damage seemed worse this year. Little snow left up top, but what's there was iced over and tough to get across. By now probably good.

Got down to Sycamore and there were a dozen elk on the other side heading to the water. What was once a wide rocky section of the creek is now a deep mud hole. Water was too high, but I didn't want to head back up TC through the burn. Managed to stay dry by bushwhacking along the south side of the creek. Had to climb through some brush and over the flood debris. Got buzzed by a private helicopter flying through the cliff walls some way down.

Had to get wet to mid shin to get to the crossing where Sycamore Basin is still around. After that I realized I would have to cross again to get to the cabin, and it didn't hit me until later the most difficult crossing would be on Dogie sometime down the trail. Entered the creek to the knee on the rocky banks. The middle went above my waist. As the water shallowed up, it got rockier, and I fell into the creek with my clothes still on. Stumbled up and fell again. Got through it, hustled to the cabin. Earlier, climbing Casner, I saw a car drive in to Dogie TH, and I thought if no one was there by the time I got to Taylor Cabin, the water was too high for them to cross. Took off all my clothes and put them out on the line. The cabin, despite now mostly not having a roof, provided nice cover from the wind.

What a nervous several miles it was up Dutch Kid and down Dogie. To memory, a total blur until the Dogie crossing. Where the trail heads it was deep pools and white water, up stream even deeper pools edging out into cliffs. I found a line. Pulled my pack up my back and strapped the waistband around my chest after packing my warm clothes and electronics inside. Pulled a branch out of the flood debris. Rocky knee depth, and then a wide section nearly chest deep. There was a tree bending with the flow but 1/3rd the way out of the water. Climbed on top and after much consideration dropped my pack down my back and jumped to the shallow water several feet away. Scrambled onto the other bank and got rid of my boots opting for the warm sand. Bundled up and after a long while headed up Dogie.

Met one person on the way who had turned back at the crossing. The trail is in much the same shape as it's ever been. The tanks along the way had the most drinkable water I've seen in them. Awesome day. Would never do again. Great year for it, just got there too early.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Sycamore Creek at Dogie Crossing Heavy flow Heavy flow
Very difficult to find a line. >waist deep for most, fast flowing

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Sycamore Creek at Taylor Cabin Heavy flow Heavy flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Sycamore Creek at Taylor Trail Jct Heavy flow Heavy flow
Water impassably high without swimming. Since the Rafael Fire this crossing is a deep mud pit

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Mar 09 2022
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Taylor Cabin Loop, AZ 
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I wasn't going to do this loop again this year, but after hiking through the Rafael Fire scar on Yew Thicket Trail a month or so ago, I got nervous about the Taylor Cabin Trail. It's one of my favorites, and since I couldn't find anything out about the damage, I went to have a look, fire maps being as reliable as they are. It turned out both Taylor Cabin Trail and the cabin itself burned this summer, though neither is a total loss.

Casner Mountain Trail is the same as ever until the last few miles to the Taylor Cabin Trail TH. Efforts were made to confine the fire to Casner #8 and above Mooney Canyon in order to prevent the spread to Sedona. The fire didn't cross the road much except at the TH. Walking Casner it looked like while the fire had torched the north rim and Cedar Creek, much of the canyon bottom and forest North/East of Buck Ridge are still green.

The Taylor Cabin Trail TH was burned some. Not nearly as shady. TC Trail starts with some brief switchbacks onto a fairly epic ridgeline. The Canyon to the west and its pockets of fir and pine were completely destroyed. Maybe a half dozen left. From above, the side canyon to the East where TC descends looked burned but encouragingly green. The heavy rains that extinguished the fire caused serious erosion in the side canyon, and the TC Trail has a couple massive washouts. It has many more minor ones, and in general it is eroded and mostly missing. The summer rains widened the creek and filled it in with gravel and sand, and some of the slick rock features are buried. While the forest along the way was not burned completely, almost every tree was touched by fire. It's still a beautiful course but a more difficult one and not quite what it, up until very recently, was.

Sycamore Basin Trail is good from Packard Mesa to a mile or so east of the cabin, that is apart from the section where Dutch Kid now takes its place. This being the case, I rocked hopped down the creekbed. There was flood debris 6 feet up the sycamores. There was only one pool of green water in the shade of a cliff 30-40 minutes east of the cabin. The Cabin was burned by the juniper that hung over its north wall. It took out the wooden frame of the north window, as well as the cypress beams of the roof. The back half of the roof had collapsed, and the rest is on its way. Otherwise it had been cleaned up and emptied out since I was there last year. No water at the cabin, down on provisions. Met a couple guys who had hiked in for a two night trip from Parsons TH.

Dutch Kid was burned, but it was patchy and not too unlike in years past. Sycamore Basin and Dogie were as well, mostly by the junction. Overall the fire damage wasn't too severe. Taylor Cabin needs restoration desperately, but I'm sure it will get it. I thought the Great American Outdoors act or some legislation like it had it slated for some TLC. The real bummer is the damage to the Taylor Cabin Trail. The jewel of the wilderness area doesn't shine as brightly.
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May 02 2020
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Taylor Cabin Loop, AZ 
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3rd time’s the charm, I guess. 3 of us had planned on staying at the cabin after a 6 hour hike. Went up Casner first to get it out of the way but it really burned everyone out with the packs on. The trail (road) goes up over the mountain and then rides a ridgeline for a while which is pretty cool because it literally dissects 2 different wilderness areas. Sycamore Canyon to the west and Red Rock-Secret Mountain to the east. J had some pain in his quad but kept pushing on to the Taylor Cabin trail. Hiking down seemed to make it worse for him than the uphill. We were pretty much at the point of no return when he seemed to really slow and started breaking down. Also learned that he drank all his water for the entire trip so far. I took the leadership role and made sure we all stayed positive. Chase and I discussed options. The trail here is really fantastic. It stays down in the bottom of the canyon with very narrow cliffs to either side. After several miles and even more breaks we finally made it to Sycamore Canyon proper. No signs of water. Followed the super easy trail about 1 1/2 mile short of the cabin and we found a huge pool. The range of emotions this afternoon was grand. Elated, we jumped in and had a swim, then pumped gallons directly into us.

Followed the creekbed most of the way to the cabin in the AM and, although not too impressed with the grounds there, the cabin itself was cleaner than my shed at my house. Loved the Sycamore Basin Trail. The canyon is sooo huge and green, I almost got that feeling of smallness and insignificance you get when you hike the GC. The hike out of Dogie was a hot slog, and it has much better views going into the canyon, so we made sure to stop (shade) and just look around once in a while to soak it in.

Finally glad to check this one off, though it was a reminder of great importance to not only make sure you are prepared, but to make sure those in your party are adequately prepared, also.
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Taylor Cabin via Dogie Trail - Sycamore CanyonSedona, AZ
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Just now getting around to loading this hike. Did a solo backpacking overnight to Taylor Cabin. Started out at Sycamore Basin TH, checked out the ruins quick then made my way on my adventure! Followed a couple of the previous routes listed to find my way down into the canyon then hiked up for a while until I hit the side canyon where I was planning on exiting and catching the Dogie trail. Once I got into said side canyon I was worried I wouldn't be able to find a way up :scared: It wouldn't have been too difficult with just a day pack on...but it's a different story with a full on pack with overnight gear. I eventually made my way up out of the canyon and found my way over to the Dogie trail.

I enjoyed a nice hike on an actual trail :DANCE: over to the Casner trail. The hike up Casner Mountain was a beast! Especially after already having hike down and back out of the canyon. I slowly made my way up Casner (with a few breaks to rest!) and up and down to where the Taylor Cabin trail connects. The hike along Casner was beautiful with some great views on both sides. Taylor cabin trail was quite pretty - starting in some pines and then winding down a narrowish canyon eventually getting back down into Sycamore Canyon. I stopped for a few to enjoy the scenery at the Sycamore Creek/Taylor Cabin Trail junction and filtered some water. Then I made my way down the canyon and to Taylor Cabin for the night. I was the only one there and it was quite peaceful to be out there all alone. The following day I got up and made my way back to the car following the Sycamore Basin trail. This was one of my favorite hikes - very pretty!

My phone was dying a bit before I got to the cabin so I stopped tracking the route to save battery life. Edited it on here though so that's why the route looks a bit funky for part of it :D
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Friend and I made our first trip into Sycamore Canyon. Wanted to see all that we could so we did the Casner-Taylor-Dogie loop. Went counterclockwise in order to get the elevation gain out of the way first.

FR525 is in great shape, and any car should have no problem. There are spots toward the end on 525c where the road dips that make taking a passenger car a strategic drive. Started at the one parking spot for Casner Mountain trail around 7:30 and headed up. I didn't know this in advance, but Casner trail is at least as much a road as a trail. Follows underneath power lines most of the way. Nice views into Sycamore Canyon and toward Sedona that would be much better at sunset than sunrise.

On the way down Taylor Cabin Trail there were at least two dozen trees fallen over the trail. Overgrown with brush in parts and the leaves and snow obscured the trail. Seemed like a more interesting way to enter the canyon as opposed to the Dogie trail, however.

Once to the canyon floor and across the creek, Sycamore Basin trail is overgrown and a bushwhack. Found it difficult to stay on route. Opted to rock hop down the creek a ways instead. Was nice to be on the creek bottom as after the cabin the trails climb away from it. Caught up with the trail at a creek crossing and it was clearer closer to Taylor Cabin.

Hung out at Taylor Cabin for a while and walked around the grounds. In great shape and well stocked.

Dutch Kid and Dogie were the best maintained trails of the day, and it made the going easy the rest of the way, apart from the incessant ups and downs on Dogie. Only people we passed were backpackers on Dogie around the Sycamore Basin junction and at the only creek crossing farther down the trail.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Sycamore Creek at Dogie Crossing Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Sycamore Creek at Taylor Cabin Medium flow Medium flow

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Casner Mountain Trail #8
We enjoyed this one five years ago and it held it's value. It is a high rolling road perched over red rock views. If you remotely like Ord via Slate this easier version with world class views will smack you silly.

Buck Ridge Cabin
After a nice walk through pines this was a great find. Most notable is the nearby tank, lake sized compared to most tanks surrounded by a nice forest.

We walked through a lot of pines with wind wisping above. The hike was a therapeutic recharge. In the summer you get hints of coolness. Today we got hints of scorching radiation. Sure was nice to turn the tables on that badboy.

Hidden Cabin
The "Hidden Cabin" sign in front of it gives away the secret. Another nice setting. Minus a few brownie points for lack of fishing pond.

Secret Mountain Trail #109
Only a short walk on this storybook trail over to Loy #5. The trailhead is remote and in pristine condition.

Loy Canyon Trail #5
We are currently hitting recorded temps for a good week. It was pretty toasty where this one opens up heading down. Ignore the tears as the views are just outstanding. Down into the canyon you get shade relief back to square one.

Off Trail Joy Joy
In order to make this loop work we came nauseously close to a few houses. It all appeared to be on the up and up, not one stay out sign. Just be respectful, no weapons or motor vehicles. Step two was getting across some thick brush. It wasn't terrible since the worst part was a couple hundred yards. A mile plus dodging prickly pair was the balance. The day was cooling off with the sun dropping behind a ridge so it was semi enjoyable.

Robbers Roost - Sedona
We approached this backwards. Latching to the top of an old 4wd road for a mine. We headed down and worked in the roost just as the sun melted away. No cars at the makeshift trailhead. Then three college girls leaving, surprised us rounding the corner to the roost =)

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Bruce threw together a shocking winner in ten minutes. With miles of pines up top I could see hitting this in the summer with an early start. Roaming up top more until the heat subsides then drop back into the oven. It would undoubtedly be a water lugging event.
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very isolated, two sprigs of paintbrush were the highlight

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Buck Ridge Tank 76-100% full 76-100% full
almost full, may not be typical as Jan/Feb 2017 was stellar for rain
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Needed to get to cooler ground...

I had some unfinished business in this area and reused a couple of past hikes to create a loop.

There were two (Turned out to be 3) cabins up in the pines that I had not seen yet, Plus I'd never been to the Sedona version of the Robbers Roost.

In pre-production, I stumbled on a Ruin while trying to minimize the road walk, so that added one more "Destination".

We started a tad south of the Robbers Roost and saved that for the end of the day.

We bushwhacked over to the Ruins and Class 4'd it to the top. A small but interesting perch.

Next it was up the Multi-use Casner Mountain Trail #8. If you start from FR 525C, it's a 2.8 mile steady climb, 2100' to the top. It's an old road, but you do get some tremendous views of the Red Rock-Secret Mountain and Sycamore Canyon Wilderness areas. There have been some rock slides, but most ORV's can still make it.

The first cabin up was Buck Ridge Cabin. This one actually turned out to be two Cabins. The first, a log cabin built long ago, sadly had taken a direct hit from a fallen tree. The roof had caved in. The 2nd cabin was more recent maybe from the 60's or 70's. It had a well that came into the cabin, with a pump, into the sink. It even had a poured concrete floor.

Just outside was one of the nicest tanks I'd see. All nestled in the pines, it almost looked like a swimin' hole.

We bushwhacked over to the area of the next cabin. We stumbled on some old roads that could have made it a bit easier, but I'd never seen them on the Sat. views.

I expected Hidden Cabin to be..er...um... Hidden. But there it was in view from the FR. The WARNING HANTAVIRUS sign on the front of the building was apropos. The rodents had overrun that cabin.

Secret Mountain Trail #109 to Loy Canyon Trail #5, was our way off the mountain. Always spectacular views here. The upper mile of Loy is sun exposed, but after that you are in the pines and a gentler grade for the remaining 5.5 miles.

The next part I was a bit worried about. I could see some houses on the Sat. view. We approached a few closed gates across the FR, and could see larger signs on them. No motorized traffic, respect others property, etc. so we continued through without incident.

For the next off trail section, I tried to pick stuff on the Sat. view that looked "Less Thick". There were only a couple of catclaw sections that wanted to decorate my legs. Somehow I managed not to kick any of the low growing, grass hidden prickly pear.

Finally with darkness coming, we were on an old mining road and with a stop at the Robbers Roost left. Just as we approached the Roost, 3 college aged young ladies emerged saying how they's just finished a Photo Shoot, complete with costume change?? hmmmm.

Robbers Roost smelled like purfume.... much different that the Robbers Roost in the Superstitions.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Buck Ridge Tank 76-100% full 76-100% full
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Casner - Taylor Cabin - Sycamore - Dogie Loop, AZ 
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I've wanted to do this loop to Taylor Cabin for the longest time. After a dayhike down Dogie to Sycamore Creek last year and some fooling around on and around Casner this year I did some more homework and opted to do the damn thing from the Casner approach...

After camping near the Casner mountain trailhead, I got an early start just before 6 AM. I opted to drive a little further to the "ROAD CLOSED" gate under the power lines that run up Casner (this is the right of way gate for Casner Mountain). Getting the climb up Casner done first before the heat of the day sets in is recommended. Despite carrying 5L of water the climb wasn't too bad with trekking poles. The views going up are wonderful but the novelty of peeking down into Sycamore Canyon to your left AND the edge of Red Rock Secret Mountain Wilderness to your right is just fantastic. Pictures won't do it justice...
After spotting Mooney trail snaking up from the edge of RRSM wilderness I came to the junction with both Mooney and Taylor Cabin. The shade of this somewhat overgrown descent was quite appreciated. Taylor Cabin trail is cairned in abundance all the way down to the creek.

I did a dumb thing and boulder hopped ALL THE WAY from Taylor Cabin trail to Dogie trail, stopping at Taylor Cabin with quite a bit of help from Gaia GPS. My entire excursion boulder hopping was exhausting, hot, and dry (I would not recommend) however it did save me the anxiety of bushwhacking and trying to find the cairns marking the trails comings and goings thru Sycamore Canyon. My extra dumb choice was boulder hopping this in running shoes (read: not boots or even trail runners) it would be a hell of a place to slip or twist an ankle... Personally, I can rationalize exhausting and dangerous boulder hopping as "more direct" but ultimately it's just a preference and again, I wouldn't recommend this to another hiker unless as a last resort.

Taylor Cabin was cute. If you go TAKE A COUPLE PENS AND PENCILS. There are no writing implements for the log book. On my visit there was one pan of clear water that had run off the metal roof (about one liter) after the recent light showers in the area. Don't count on seeing water on this loop though, pack enough to safely execute your hike without finding water on the route. I almost packed less water because of the recent showers and I'm so glad I thought better of it. There is a binder with information about Taylor Cabin inside, it's worth flipping through if you like historic details. An intrepid hiker may also find the nearby gravestone of "Jak" (a cattledog I presume), the corral ruins, and adjacent storage cave. During my visit, mice seemed to have set up shop fairly well in the cupboards.

The boulder hop down to the Dogie junction was slow and exhausting. The junction is unsigned and easy to miss as the cairns are spread wide on either side of the wide canyon floor. I set a GPS waypoint on my track for this junction. Dogie trail felt like a moving sidewalk after all the boulder hopping. The trail is in good shape and has plenty of camping spots between the creek and Sycamore Pass tank.

dry Sycamore Creek at Taylor Cabin Dry Dry
creek bed and area is dry. one catch pan at cabin had clear water, maybe one or two liters at most

dry Sycamore Creek at Taylor Trail Jct Dry Dry
dry despite a few showers over the last 4 days
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This is good loop. Glad I finally got to tackle it after knowing about it for so long. Casner seems under rated to me. The best views of the loop are from the top in my opinion. The sweetest part of the hike is going down Taylor through the thick forest. A lot of dead fall, luckily it's relatively easy to get over. The worst part is from when Taylor enters the creek over to a quarter mile before reaching the cabin. Either friendly or lazy backpackers have left over ten bottles of used coleman fuel in the cabin cabinet. Overall it's a cool little area and well maintained. The most enjoyable part of the loop was on the short Dutch Kid Tank Trail #54.

Believe the only water seen all day was in the creek about a mile ENE of the cabin near-ish 34.996719, -111.973172. Personally I wouldn't count on water down there much ever.

Our temps ranged from 43 to maybe 75. Any warmer at the bottom would have been hot. The rocks radiate the heat back with such little shade.

Wildflowers: one sprig of Dichelostemma capitatum, wallflowers on a couple occasions, indian paintbrush maybe a dozen times and a few other varieties I'm unsure of on the identification

First serious hike now 16 days after the foot injury. At times it wasn't too bad, at times it was quite painful. Obviously not the wisest choice yet I have no regrets.
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1st trip
I've had this loop in mind for awhile now. Time to escape the heat in the valley.
The injured Teva said he would join me, but had two requests.
1) No Rock Hopping - Oops
2) No Bushwhacking - Double Oops

We parked at the Trailhead at the end of 525C and started our 1.25 mile Counter Clockwise road walk over to the Casner Mountain Trail. This is the recommended way to go, (You were right)
getting the major climb out of the way in the beginning of a long day (2000' in 2 miles). The 4 mile walk across the top of Casner Mountain, yielded views that gave you a great overall feel for the Sedona landscape. At some points you are walking on a ridge that's 30' across, with views off both sides.

Be careful when making the turn off Casner Mountain and on to Taylor Cabin trail. The finely groomed trail appears to go straight and to the left. We wasted 20 minutes after it just dead ended. After back tracking, make the semi-hidden right, once off Casner Mountain.

The Taylor Cabin Trail was gorgeous, and reminded me a bit of how the Grandview trail drops into the GC. For the next hour the prominent feature is unnamed peak 6416. During this time, you make the 3 mile steep decent to Sycamore Creek. You'll pass through both conifer and deciduous trees and pass through smooth red rock narrows, while following the drainage.

Once at the bottom, at Sycamore Creek, the trail goes straight across. Two faded Taylor Cabin signs are the only clue. From here to the 1/4 from the cabin, you'll be skirting Sycamore Creek. The trail is almost gone in many places. This is the one area that it'd would have been nice to have long pants. It's a 2 mile hike to the Cabin from here.

Taylor Cabin is a place that has to be seen to appreciated. There's a lot of history there.
The chimney on that fireplace is something I've never seen before. There are some food stuffs, Water in containers, propane, etc stored about. If you feel like doing some cleanup while you are there, please make use of the Wheel barrow and shovels.

From here you take the 8.5 Mile Dutch Kid Tank / Sycamore / Dogie Roller coaster back to the Start. Yep... there are many more gorgeous views along the way....

We finished up just as we were going to need headlamps. We had two other side trips we were thinking for this day, but they will have to wait for another time.

On the way home, Joe talked about his Contractors.
Thanks for joining me, and I'm glad your foot did not fall off.
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 Jackson, CA
Casner Mountain Trail #8Sedona, AZ
Sedona, AZ
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Excellent loop up Casner, down Taylor Cabin (tons of downed trees), down Sycamore (endless rockhopping) and out Dogie. Happy birthday Arizona, 100 years and looking great!
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 Flagstaff, AZ
Casner Mountain Trail #8Sedona, AZ
Sedona, AZ
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First hike of the day, I could have just drove to the top but hiked it instead. There were some great views from the top. Great day in Sedona.
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 Phoenix, AZ
Casner Mountain Trail #8Sedona, AZ
Sedona, AZ
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 Tempe, AZ
Taylor Cabin via Dogie Trail - Sycamore CanyonSedona, AZ
Sedona, AZ
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This was definitely a memorable trip for all I think. Ended up starting off on the TH at about 10:45. Before we knew it we had gone 5 miles in 1 hour 40 minutes and were down at the creekbed. Where the Dogie Trail crosses the creek there is currently no water. This had us a tad worried so we conserved our water for a bit.

About 2 miles down the west side of the creek we did run into a nice pool so we knew we had a last resort source of water if there was none by the cabin but te-wa was pretty sure there would be water there. Sure enough 2 hours after having lunch at the crossing, we get to Taylor Cabin and find that there is some very nice flow up by the cabin.

It was rather nice to do 9 miles in about 4 hours and we had plenty of time to relax and set up camp, find firewood and meet our neighbors. We had a group of 7 NAU students that were also down there with us. They had gotten to the cabin about the same time as us. They were going to chill out there all Sunday and leave out the same way on Monday. I wish my school calendar had said we had MLK day off and I would have just had one of them bring me back down to the valley and I could have relaxed up there longer :)

Eventually we finally got our all hammocker camp setup. Three of us setup next to the fire while I had a nice secluded spot near the flowing creek but with tons of wind protection. One of us even setup between two trees practically stretched over the creek in a small rocky rapid section. Basically he slept with nothing but the noise of the creek drowning everything out....it basically lulled him to sleep. All of us slept incredibly warm and comfortable during the mid 30s night.

Ended up having some good breakfast and managed to get back on the trail at 10:20 that morning. After continuing up the west bank of the creek for about half a mile we cut across for our first creek crossing. From here we followed a side creek that we had to cross quite often. After a while of that we finally hit the spot where the trail peels off into a canyon that works it way up a bit up Casner Mountain. This canyon was amazing and in spots had snow and was very very cool...absolute perfect hiking temperature. In one spot we ran into a very cool looking icefall. The way the sandstone was carved just amazed me.

Eventually we climbed out of the canyon and started up one of the actually arms of the mountain. Very soon we were running into about 6" deep fairly hard snow. This stuff was tough to get up without at least some mini-crampons but our hiking poles helped tons in this stuff. Soon the trail started to get steeper and the snow deeper. Once it turned into switchbacks we were having to go across some stretches with extremely steep angle on the downside of the trail. All this with 1' deep frozen snow made the going fairly treacherous but we all took it very cautiously and tested all our footholds and made it up the ridge of Casner without incident although Topo had a few close calls. Speaking of which Topo did a great job all this way and was usually running around with more energy than us. That dog is a real trooper.

From the ridge we took the 4wd road that runs along with the high tension power lines all the way down the ridge back to the TH. The going was slow in alot of spots here because much of it was still covered in anything from frozen snow to slush to super muddy conditions. All this together wore us out pretty bad and it stretched on for 5 or 6 miles of this.

Finally we got to the end of the ridge were the mountain begins to decend into the valley below. Right here I almost broke into a sprint as I was bringing up the rear and wanted to catch up with two of the others I managed to get down probably 2 1/2 miles of switchbacks in a matter of 30 minutes. Finally after 15 minutes of walking down that road we ran into a really nice guy with a big chevy truck that offered us a ride for the last 1 1/2 miles to the TH. We agreed without a second thought as we were all beat.

All in all the views throughout the entire trip were absolutely amazing and definitely a trip I would like to do again.
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 Gilbert, AZ
Taylor Cabin via Dogie Trail - Sycamore CanyonSedona, AZ
Sedona, AZ
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I actually ended up doing a loop hike from Dogie TH, down to Sycamore Canyon, up past Taylor Cabin, to the junction with the Taylor Cabin trail, up this side canyon to the TH on Casner Mountain, south along the 4x4 road & powerlines, and eventually down back to the Dogie TH. My guide book list this loop as 18.8m and another site has it as ~20m and having done the hike I'm thinking it's closer to 20ish than 18ish (the NF map isn't the greatest at listing mileage :lol: ). I day hiked this loop clockwise, but I would recommend doing it counter-clockwise to get the climbing up Casner mountain done early plus better lighting for photos as the sun glides across the sky. Taylor cabin is a pleasant place and would make a great backpacking destination. Most would prefer to backpack this rugged remote loop, esp considering I was barely able to squeak this hike out just after the sun set. It should be noted that the NF map shows the trail sticking to the westside of the canyon down around Taylor cabin, but in reality it jumps sides a few times and you could also just boulder hop right up/down the dry creekbed if you prefer.
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