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69 male
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Elden Loop, AZ 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking19.29 Miles 4,447 AEG
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Fresh off vacation on the East Coast, I got an invite from Chums to escape to cooler country in Flagstaff. For various reasons, I'd had hikes with nothing but minimal mileage, elevation gain, or actual elevation for over a month. So, when he threw out a hike with 5,200+ feet of gain, I politely poo-pooed the invite. He came back with a more reasonable 11-mile, 3,200-foot gain hike, and I was in.

The plan was to drive into Friedlein Prairie to cut a bit more mileage off, but we quickly found a locked gate. So, back to the original idea to start at Schultz Tank, only to find another locked gate. Later searching showed that these areas close during the current Stage 2 fire restrictions. On to Plan C.

Neither of us are fans of the trail leaving the Elden Trailhead to the tower, so we headed over to the less busy Sandy Seep Trailhead, with plans to start up the Heart Trail and wing it from there. The burn is still quite evident up here, but you still get sections of unburned forest. We fashioned a loop, mostly of things I'd done before. On Brookbank #2, we smartly off-trailed and short-cutted Hill 8747 to save some mileage. It worked out. We were now starting our climb back up. The Oldham Trail has been completely rerouted going back uphill. It only touches the old trail in a couple of spots. Chums thought there were too many switchbacks. Me, being just a few years older, found them to be appropriate.

We bypassed the Elden Tower and hiked through the aspen thickness of the Sunset Trail to the Elden Lookout Trail. For me, this trail makes tired legs even more tired with all the rocks to negotiate.

Reaching the Fatman's Loop, we made the decision to go cross-country/follow use trails to get our way back to the start.

So much for taking it easy. Temperatures were mostly nice all day, especially in the shade or when the wind decided to blow. Thanks for driving, Chums. Good catching up.
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Elden Loop, AZ 
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The I-17 Flex Lanes are in operation. :y:

Since Bruce hadn't been higher than 76 feet ASL in over a month, and certainly hadn't ascended more than that, I dialed back a 5k+ day plan to something that might ease beachboy into the mountains. The best laid plans ... blah blah blah ... I had forgotten that Coconino NF closes some roads near Flagstaff during stage 2 fire restrictions. People can still recreate wherever they want, because people don't pose a potential fire danger. But motor vehicles are prohibited from some dirt roads, because vehicles apparently do risky things that people do not do when not in the proximity of their vehicles. I would argue that this wouldn't stand up in court, or make any sense, except I think it may be factual that people in the proximity of their vehicles cause more fires than people not near vehicles. :-k

So, anyway, we quickly pulled up some HAZ maps and came up with other options that might justify the drive and wouldn't be a holiday weekend clusterflock. I offered up a 10mi/2kft option kicking the O'leary lantern, but ptown thought doubling it would be more fun. I have no immediate objections until I complain later. :)

I don't usually drive two hours to hike another town's version of Camelback, and apparently it's been a decade since I did this last (and first/only!).

It took about 6 miles to get up the hill, way more than I was planning. There's some interesting trail routing down below which seems to attempt to maximize mileage over efficiency, a theme we would later learn is common here. Heart is exposed, but it was a nice day so a little sun wasn't awful.

Sunset hits the burn area pretty quickly, but is still enjoyable and scenic. It has a couple of new switchbacks climbing out of the Down Under junction west of Little Elden.

Brookbank has new tread north of peak 8819 and takes a much wider loop north of 8747 and downhill west of there. We took an "offtrail" shortcut down the drainage between 8747 and 8819 (there was a nice old cut to follow) that saved about 4.5 miles off the new official Brookbank route.

From here, we discovered that Upper Oldham has been decommissioned from top to bottom. The first part follows a cut that used to be called Middle Oldham, and the rest of it is all new trail (there are apparently no longer lower, middle, or upper versions; just one complete Oldham). Formerly 2 miles, the route is now nearly doubled at 3.7 miles. Previously this was a steep trail. Now, the switchbacks are so plentiful and mild that they are ideal for ebike riders with dead batteries. Going uphill it was tolerable. Going downhill you'd lose your mind.

I'm not trained in trail building, but I'm naturally gifted in complaining about what clearly doesn't meet the quality of all those old skool CCC trails we have all become so accustomed to. This new trail cut makes a horrible attempt at a consistent grade, with numerous 10-15 foot stretches of staircase-type grade, followed immediately by a short flat or drop. There is no way to establish or maintain a comfortable hiking pace. It's probably a whole lot of fun whoopdeedoo on a bike though. And maybe that was the point?

Finally back up top, we took south Sunset up toward the summit before cutting across to the descent via Lookout. Bruce bitched more than my last 5 paragraphs, but I sort of enjoyed this stretch. Afternoon shade, cool temps, and a nicely worn path took us down quite efficiently. A refreshing change in trail design!

We took the north route on Fatman and missed a turn. Did a short XC before piecing together about 12 different unofficial user routes along the foothill slopes back to the truck. Almost certainly created by mountain bikers, these were somehow naturally created without unnecessary switchbacks. Weird.

Good to see 1-800 back out west. It was an enjoyable holiday weekend with a refreshing Sunday swimming in the back seat. ;) Whining aside, it was a great day, and I'd do it again!
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Fatmans Loop Trail #25Flagstaff, AZ
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Hiking2.82 Miles 649 AEG
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Fatmans Loop Trail #25Flagstaff, AZ
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Evening out-and-back on Fatman’s, and a little bit of Elden above. Light sprinkles most of the hike. Banana yuccas are loaded with yucky bananas.
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Mount Elden Loop, AZ 
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This is a fairly challenging hike incorporating several trails into a loop. Start by following the Elden Lookout Trail #4 and
Fatmans Loop Trail #25 to the top of Mount Elden at 9,299 feet. Then start your gradual descent on the “back side” of the mountain via the Sunset Trail #23. Turn right (east) on the Heart Trail #103 and follow it until it intersects the Christmas Tree Trail #160 which will merge eventually with the Fatman’s Loop trail and lead you back to the parking lot.
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Fatmans Loop Trail #25Flagstaff, AZ
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Some more practice for me and Elden Summit for Kelly. We got started around 9:30. The parking lot was fairly full. We hiked counterclockwise as Kelly wanted to spend more time with me. I thot that was really nice as it would be faster for her if we went clockwise so she could get to the Elden junction quicker. We saw a few wildflowers including some Golden-Bearded Penstemon and Flagstaff Penstemon along with some Salsify seed heads, mostly spent banana yucca, a few prickly pear cactus, some blooming Cliff Rose and the usual array of very cool-shaped junipers.

Of course, there were the cool boulders scattered along the trail. It was a little complicated finding the way through Fatman's area as the trail has some false leads. We ran into a few hikers in this area; one that came from an area where there were logs across and a couple behind us that weren't sure, but then we saw a hiker come around a narrow corner and found our way. As you get higher you get a nice view to the east. Before we knew it, we were at the Elden Trail junction and we went our separate ways.

I never really like this section of the trail as it's rocky and the path is sometimes wishy washy as to direction. As per the previous part of the hike, there were quite a few hikers along the way. There were also lots of lizards but I wasn't able to get a picture until I was down at the bottom. Many of the lizards were dirty from walking around and getting in and out of their holes that we saw on the trail. I decided to go to the start of the Loop before heading back to Tonto 3. I saw some more flora and looked up to the top of Elden where Kelly was hiking. Along the way I heard an odd sound. I did record it. I got an upshot of one of those beautiful ponderosas before finally getting a headshot of a lizard and some other flora.

At the TH it was still busy with people coming and going. I researched a place for us to try for lunch but we ended up at DiMarcos so we could avoid some of the traffic. DiMarcos was as good as usual. Their small Caesar salad was huge; too many croutons though. I had golden BBQ wings freshly hot from the kitchen.

WATCH 9:32-11:06AM, 2.87 miles, 7114-7733 elevation. 125 avg bpm/153 max. 21% Zone 5 Max, 30% Zone 4 Anaerobic, 46% Zone 3 Aerobic burning 587 calories. Starting temp 77 sunny and 20% humidity
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Elden Lookout Trail #4Flagstaff, AZ
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angela and i made a two day trip to flagstaff so she could continue her preparation for a bigger trip
her first choice was fatman's loop
we got going on the loop counterclockwise
nice fresh air, pine trees and a cool breeze
at the intersection with elden lookout trail, we parted ways and i hiked up to the summit
spent a few minutes wandering around and taking photos, then descended to complete fatman's loop
this combo is one of my favorite hikes
we met back at the trailhead and then had some lunch at nimarco's - yum
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Fatmans Loop Trail #25Flagstaff, AZ
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Hiking2.82 Miles 616 AEG
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Quick hike before heading out of town. A few muddy spots with occasional snow, but otherwise clear.
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Fatmans Loop Trail #25Flagstaff, AZ
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From the KOA campground.
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Devised a loop off the map. Low & behold, the night before, I found Tibber had posted the same route 9 years ago. Dld it & away I went. Believe it is actually FR935 to the TH.

The old Heart trail was the highlight of the day. Sunset is more of a ridgeline climb. Then finally a short road to the peak. The elev. gained over 6 miles is quickly dumped down lookout. Fat mans is interesting. Beautiful temps & fall colors.
 
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Fatmans Loop Trail #25Flagstaff, AZ
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Okay, I have officially started hiking again. (Well, we'll see...) I went counterclockwise on the loop, which isn't generally how I do the hike.

A really nice morning. Not too muggy, at least for me. I finished way before the rain. There were about 6 cars in the parking lot when I started.
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A hike after work. I usually don't hike in the afternoons, but I really need the exercise. I drove to Lees Ferry for my job, and back, and then did this hike.

Lots of banana yuccas blooming. Not too crowded with people. I went clockwise, to get the hot, steep slope over with, and then to enjoy the shady parts going downhill.

One thing I noticed is a continuing proliferation of "social" trails, to the point that many people probably get off the main trail, unless they are familiar with it.
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Elden Lookout Trail #4Flagstaff, AZ
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Workout hike. Went up Elden Lookout Trail to the 8100 foot level, and then back via Fatmans Loop Trail. Wind was hideous, but made for some cool lenticular clouds. Monsoons caused one drainage to get pretty blasted out with flood debris. Both trails were in great shape though.
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Elden Lookout and Fatmans Loop, AZ 
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Nice workout hike this morning in Flagstaff! I have had this one on my list for a while but weekends are crazy, but weekdays aren't so bad. Nice hike, nice temperature, but mostly exposed so lots of sun most of the way. The steepness and rocks/steps will kill your knees and ankles but the payoff is worth it. The second half of the hike is better and more shaded with pines and aspens which is lovely. The fire damage is evident, will be back!
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Fatmans Loop Trail #25Flagstaff, AZ
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Hiking2.77 Miles 638 AEG
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Writing this on 8-26-2021 but did the hike Counterclockwise on July 29. I did this loop clockwise in August 2020. This was part of my prep hiking before my foray at Glacier Park. I was staying at a KOA cabin so after their rather lousy breakfast, I gathered my backpack and headed up the trail. I don't remember the hike that well now and actually had to watch my video to refresh my memory [ youtube video ] . This would be my first hike of two this day.

I headed out from the KOA, it was slightly humid and mostly sunny. I missed the turn to the north as I thot it was further along the trail as I headed west. Once I got on the trail heading north I enjoyed the high desert greenery including trees and Apache Plume bushes with occasional mixes of colorful flora. Some of the trees have such great shapes and trunks.

As I got a little higher I passed through the Fatman's part of the hike and enjoyed viewing various other rock formations. I think I only saw two other hikers or so on this back side as I made my way to the area where you eventually head south and up. When there was shade or the sun was filtered, it wasn't too bad out. I seem to recall I did pretty good with this little climb.

There were several lizards and I had my zoom engaged to try and finally get a photo of a lizard that wanted to be a youtube star. Most of the other lizards didn't want to be bothered. The views are nice as you get a little higher. The moon was still shining above me and I actually got a decent picture of it.

As I made my way down that south side I start encountering a few more hikers. As I recall, most said hello. This time as I headed east I took the actual KOA trail by the sign. There are a couple little trails in this area.

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Elden Loop via Sandy Seep, AZ 
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We headed north to escape the heat this weekend...even Sedona had highs in the upper 90s, so we targeted a little higher elevation and planned a loop hike in Flagstaff. We decided to start at Sandy Seep Trailhead to avoid the crowds at Elden Lookout Trailhead, which was packed when we drove by on Highway 89. Sandy Seep was much quieter, with only a few vehicles in the lot when we started.

About a quarter mile into the hike, a very slowly crossed the trail in front of us. The pattern on the scales looked a little like a rattlesnake, but it didn't have a rattle...I'm not sure exactly what kind it was, but hopefully someone can identify it in the pictures :). Sandy Seep was a nice, easy warmup, just a very gradual incline. We went clockwise on the route, following Christmas Tree to a brief section of Farman's Loop, where we connected with Elden Lookout Trail. As expected, that was a very stretch up to the top.

The views kept getting better as we gained elevation, although it was a fairly urban view from that side of Elden, looking down on streets and businesses below. Still, a very pleasant stretch of trail, and a nice workout over the last mile and a half leading up through the aspens and switchbacks to the top. I took the quick detour on the side spur up to the lookout and got the first views of the day of the San Francisco Peaks...Humphreys had a few small patches of snow near the top.

From there, we continued north on Sunset, and the crowds thinned out considerably--we didn't see any other hikers along the rest of the loop, just a couple of mountain bikers before the intersection with Heart. The landscape along Sunset is a mix of charred trees and nice, green aspen/pine forests--it's interesting to see how some areas were spared from the wildfires while others were decimated...but still great views of the San Francisco Peaks and looking south into the valley below.

We connected with Heart Trail and started the slow descent down the mountain. As others have noted in recent triplogs, it seems like part of the trail had been re-routed. I had multiple tracks loaded on the GPS and could see alternate routes down the mountain, and the trails crossed in a few places, but we picked the most obvious one and stuck with that. The section along Heart Trail near Little Eldon Mountain was one of my favorites--we started to get farther away from the burned zone, and there as a lot of nice green color and beautiful rock outcroppings, with afternoon clouds casting shadows over the mountains.

The intersection with Little Elden Trail wasn't marked very well...or really at all. There was no sign, although we did see the broken remnants of a sign post, and it it looked like someone had set branches all over the early part to try to block it off. But we followed it anyway and circled back to Sandy Seep to complete the loop, passing a few final mountain bikers and horseback riders in the last mile. I'd passed by Elden Mountain on Highway 89 many times but had never hiked there, and the loop exceeded my expectations--a nice variety of scenery and level of difficulty on the trails. On the drive out after the hike, we made a quick stop at Elden Pueblo ruins [ triplog ] , which as a nice add at the end of the day...much more fun than the construction slowdowns on I-17 north of Phoenix :).
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Pipeline Trail #42 - FlagstaffFlagstaff, AZ
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Family trip to Flagstaff, rented an Airbnb near the Elden Lookout TH. Decided to get some exercise so we went to Buffalo Park where the dogs could roam. They drove back and I decided to hike it back to the Elden Lookout Trailhead. A few cross country runners out in Buffalo Park but not that busy despite being in the 50’s there was a strong steady cold breeze and some stronger gusts. Started along the AZT and Oldham trail then on to the pipeline trail. Initially mostly a road walk going past neighborhood use trails, a thinned out pine forest with tiny patches of snow along the way , a few people out walking their dogs from the neighborhoods. Further along after bending from south to easterly the trail became more interesting , the forest thickened , the trail became more of a one track and a bit rockier. Not sure I was on the true pipeline trail when coming across the old Elden homesite , grave and spring,info kiosks were present. Further along I was entertained by a Lindsey Stirling imitator perched on a rock ,a ways off trail , playing Celtic music on her violin :D Added some extra mileage with a wrong turn , made obvious by fences and no trespassing signs. Completed the hike on the Fatmans Loop to the parking lot where the trail became more crowded with families and runners.

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Finally, a real hike but little did I know that even this little bit of elevation wasn't going to be easy. It's been nearly a month since I've had the opportunity to stretch my hiking legs other than on Lookout Circumference. It was a little warm but with the cloud cover, still nice. I stopped at Safeway to pick up a little lunch that I ate in my car before putting on my shoes and heading up to hike this clockwise. I think the other way would have been a little easier.

I put my new phone and Kemosabe in my waist pack and my camera and headed up the very wide trail. It starts to narrow the higher you get. It seems there are some reroutes here and there. I encountered about 1/2 dozen hikers on my way up. The views are quite nice as are the surroundings; especially that green color I haven't seen since earlier this month. Sadly I did have to stop a few times. I knew by the time I got to the junction with Elden I wouldn't be doing the Christmas Tree Trail :( as I had planned.

As I got through the Fatman rock area the sky started dropping hard rain drops and bits of hail. I did bring my umbrella so I ended up using it for about 1/4 mile is all. It's fascinating how far a piece of hail can dance. I noticed the sign for the KOA so that's pretty cool that you can access this trail system from there. As I joined back up with the main trail some dude was peeing right next to a tree practically on the trail. REALLY, you can't step behind the tree. And he took awhile too. I'm sure his female companion was probably not amused either. He made no apologies. Really annoyed me.

Thankfully by the time I got back to Tonto Jr, a squirrel was picking up something and taking it up a tree so I followed it with my camera. While I was filming it frolicking on the branches it came down one branch and was almost in my face before it turned around. Wonder what game it was playing :lol: . So at least I could end my hike on that note rather than the other.
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Next it was off to Safeway as apparently I was getting the groceries for the evening and morning meals. My family and Mia were coming up for a three-day weekend at an Airbnb. As I came out of the store it was pouring buckets and of course, it ended just as quickly as it started but I got pretty wet nonetheless.
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Sandy-Heart-Sunset-Brookbank-Lookout-, AZ 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking18.57 Miles 4,084 AEG
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We started from the Sandy Seep TH to stay away from the more popular Elden Lookout TH.

Temps were in the 60's to start. I planned the loop to be CCW to get the exposed climb up the Heart Trail out of the way early. We were lucky enough to have cloud cover for the majority of the day, including this climb. About 1/2 way up the heart trail, we began noticing a new trail veering off from the Heart Trail. This ended up being a longer, more gradual reroute to the top. We ran into @hikerdw (David) and his son Ryan on their way down. Great to meet you guys!

Where the Heart Trail meets the Sunset trail, you begin seeing the devastation from the Museum fire. There were pockets and areas of green, but large areas of moonscape also.

Both Oldham #1 and Upper Oldham Trails are closed because of fire damage/washouts. So we hiked the road to the top. The road has also seen a lot of washout repair.

The Lunch spot, had a view off the rim to the east. The Virga, was no longer Virga out there.

We bailed on going to the top of Elden as the thunder cracked above and the rain and wind kicked in. It felt good to feel cold. The rain only lasted for 10-15 minutes.

We met the masses once at the Elden Lookout Trail until turning on Fatmans loop. From there we powered on the Christmas Tree Trail, with one more brief rain on the way back.

On the way home on I-17, we saw the Pig Fire and the 20 or so vehicles of firefighters trying to put it out.
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Brookbank - Christmas Tree Loop via Sandy Seep, AZ 
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Hiking18.25 Miles 4,136 AEG
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Started cool and refreshing on the Sandy Seep Trail #129. Then it was humid blah ascending Heart Trail #103. Which currently two criscrossing trails as it has been rerouted to an easier grade. We held to the old ankle buster route. Currently no typical signs of stay-off such as rock lined junctions, dead limbs over the old, signage, etc. In the upper portion we got lucky meeting David and Ryan!

Took a 5-minute break at the top. Even though the area is burned it is currently an intriguing color scheme and eerie spectacle. Descending was refreshingly cool!

In the burn area where Upper Oldham splits off, noticed 3ft saplings. Guessing planted? being only one year since the Museum Fire. Quick search results say 1-2 ft growth per year. Couldn't find if they grow faster when they're young, just that the taproots grow quickly. Natural or not, should help prevent erosion.

Back on Sunset Trail #23 we lunched overlooking the east. Several groups of mountain bikers paused briefly at the nearby junction. Various skills and ages, all friendly. Light sprinkles were cool for a while. Almost chili for ten seconds. No record crowds on any of the trails. Busiest on lower Elden and Fatmans.

Nice mix of trees on Christmas Tree Trail #160. Not blah as I remembered so I bumped from a 2 to 3-of-5.

Synopsis
Minus the road walk due to Oldham trail closures it is a "nice" 18 mi / 4k option. Bruce negotiated some wacky traffic well, to and fro. Outta nowhere cutoff four times. The later two at once from both sides but lighter FU worthy vs the individual previous two.
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