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Buck - Clover - Ponderosa - Davenport - Dog, AZ 
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Hiking12.94 Miles 2,199 AEG
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Buckskinner
Quickly enter Pines. Mountain bike friendly tread in dense inspiring pines for a good half-mile. Reminded me more of Big Bear than anything Arizona. Then realized the between the pines fill was oak trees. It might be pretty in Autumn.

Plastic chevrons in the trees but the trail is easy to follow. Pine cover thinned further in, still nice.

Clover Springs
The pines were back in full force with lots of oak between. The Bill Williams leg was nicer than I recall. A half-furlong stretch is kinna steep.

We got this hike done by 7:45 a.m. Denny panicked the entire hike we'd miss the 8 a.m. Bill Williams Mountain Watershed closure. Apparently an annual dillybob unless the area is deemed moist.

Ponderosa Trail
A bunch of Ponderosa Pines, thick needle footing. Semi-questionable route finding. Short lil' lasso loop for the curious.

Davenport
After a little bit of a climb you level out and it's Pines everywhere with small tickets of Oak.

The lower trail to roughly a quarter-mile before the road is very mountain bike friendly. Minor ankle buster rocks in the 1.25-1.6 mile vicinity. There is a gate just above the road.

Most of the grade on Davenport appears to be after you cross the road. Which is worthy because the views start to open up.

The clickety-clack of grasshoppers among the pines was intense for a half-mile.

Descending we checked out a little knoll. Soon after we encountered the first of two small groups of hikers.

Deer ears, phlox, Antelope horns, Penstemon. I find pocket lint more exciting than cactus blooms. Denny pointed out a Claret Cup blooming. Interesting because they mass bloomed in the desert in May and now they're hitting at 7,000-feet.

Dogtown Lake
Very windy. Most shore fishing I've ever seen but I don't frequent fishing hotspots. We started over the dam. The footing required some attention along the shore.

Synopsis
Hiked in tevas. Typically easy grades, more ankle buster rocks than most would enjoy in sandals. Collected data to square up five guide pages, chewed the fat, ground the gristle, and almost held with turbo turtle.

The 5th Annual Williams Historic Route 66 Car, Truck & Motorcycle Show was just gearing up before our first hike. It was in full swing heading home.
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Buck - Clover - Ponderosa - Davenport - Dog, AZ 
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Tortoise_HikerTriplogs 3,652
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A Forest closure I hadn’t heard about had me throwing a Tortoise Tantrum. Luckily Joe loves to hike early. We realized it didn’t go into effect until 8am and it was only 545. Yeah! Just enough time to do the first hike. Nice little loop I’m sure the locals like. From there it was on to Dogtown to do the other three. Ponderosa is a nice little nature walk for kids. Davenport was a nice 5 miler. Probably 70% shade or so. Lots of Pine, oak, and grasshoppers. We saw 3 Elk and two groups of 4hikers the whole hike. Nice hike. Last we hiked around Dogtown Lake. Lots of people out fishing and such. To windy! Lots of fond memories of this lake fishing and camping. Nice mixture of trails today and top notch company. Like Haz, Joe rocks!!
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Aug 19 2018
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Williams City Loop, AZ 
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I set out in the morning to hit Bill Williams from the only side I haven't yet ... Bixler. After driving nearly to Ash Fork and then having to turn back because the westbound exit on I-40 was closed during the paving project, I finally arrived where I thought I should be. Well, it should be noted that the "trailhead" for Bixler Saddle is now over 3 miles and 1100 feet of gain up a closed road. This is not mentioned on the FS website for the trail. I wasn't in the mood for 6.5 miles of old closed road walking so I decided to head back to town and try to knock out the other BW trails I hadn't previously done. (FR45 is now closed)

City of Williams Link 124
I parked at the FS office near Buckskinner Park and walked back down through the neighborhood to the unmarked start of the City Link trail. This was boring AF following an old road and buried gas line with little shade. The official trail cuts a corner at the top, but I missed it and stayed on the road/gas line until it hit Clover Springs.

Clover Springs 46
I had done the section to the springs previously, but did it downhill and had forgotten how steep the little climb up to the spring area is. Still, it's a great trail, and nicely shaded in the woods. The spring box cover is broken and there was water in it.

Buckskinner Trail 130
From the spring, I headed back toward Buckskinner Park. This trail was very nice and a highlight of the day. I might actually choose this trail as a starting point the next time I go to summit the mountain rather than using the official BW trailhead.

At the park I was going to figure out the best way to get over to the start of the High School Hill hike, and decided to check out the mini reservoirs that I saw on the topo map. I was surprised to find that City Reservoir was a scenic little lake with a handful of people out fishing. It wasn't full, but I could see this being a nice spot to spend a few free hours if you lived here.

I was anticipating an off-trail excursion over to Santa Fe Reservoir, but was pleasantly surprised to find a very well used path starting at City dam that went toward Santa Fe dam. I cut down to the reservoir early to walk along the shore before crossing the concrete-manufactured stone dam. Anglers there told me it's stocked regularly.

High School Hill
Next I crossed the road and headed up a steep berm to reach the unmarked trailhead for High School Hill. This one climbs steeply to start and I ended up hitting a wall and needing a break in the shade. After good break, I continued on with the climb leveling out for a while before the final push to the summit. Views here are pretty nice.

After making the Varsity team, I headed back down, crossed the Santa Fe dam again, and made an off-trail beeline back to my truck before heading over to Davenport Hill.

For being right in town, these trails were pretty nice, and despite being a weekend with good weather, I only encountered three other hikers on the trails, though there were also a bunch of people at the two reservoirs.
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Aug 08 2015
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Bill Williams Mountain Tour, AZ 
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Hiking19.54 Miles 4,250 AEG
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Ray wanted to get in some hiking at Elevation. I came up with this one that starts at 6,900', climbed to 8,700', dropped to 7,800, and then up to the top of Bill Williams at 9,256. Once again, Dave was a 9:45p the night before addition.

The Bill Williams Trail #21 was as I remembered. It climbs like a mutha, right from the gitgo. There's a few spots where it levels off to let you catch you breath, then back up again. There is some large, thick, old growth that is defiantly not JimH approved.
There are not many views at all on this trail through the trees.

First time on the Bixler Saddle Trail #72. This trail does not get much use, but is in great shape. Finally you get some sweet views to the west. There are some cragily rocky peaks that look like some of you rock hounds would enjoy climbing. We went down to the western TH and then turned around and climbed back up the 900' we'd just descended. I like this trail.

Next we made our way to the Bill Williams Peak at 9,256'. We descended a bit to find a place where it might be a bit warmer to eat some lunch and catch some views. Of course this was the first time on the day it decided to rain lightly. We abbreviated our lunch as we all needed to get moving to get warm.

Next it was the Benham Trail #38. Some how we missed the TH up top and ended up joining it partway down the Tower Road. Another trail with good views and in great shape. Also another that does not get much traffic.

The plans next were to follow some back roads to catch up with some more trails to the north. We ended up traversing around some PP and ultimately walk through a nice neighborhood where some of Williams Upper Crust call home.

After passing the City Reservoir, we found some use trails that met up with the City of Williams Link Trail #124. (Looks like it caters to the MTB community)

We took the Buckskinner #130 to check out Clover Spring and then back to the Clover Spring Trail #46 and back to the TH.

Buckskinner/Clover Spring/Williams City trails, would make a nice short loop if you were in the area.

Perfect temps on the day ranging from 61 a couple of times, to 75. We had a bit of light rain and the Gods were Bowling overhead a few times.

Good times, always good conversations, bickering, poking, jabbing with these gents.

Thanks for driving Ray....
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max City Reservoir 51-75% full 51-75% full
Plenty of water. It's was muddy from recent rains

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Clover Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
3' x 3' Concrete tank was full. Not sure I'd filter myself as the water was a funny color.
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Bill Williams Mountain Tour, AZ 
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Today's hike was one Bruce drew up to help me train at higher altitude. Both the starting (6900 feet) and highest (9200 feet) elevations would be new personal highs for me.

This was my first time on Williams Mountain. The trails here are very well maintained, at least those that we hiked on today. The rain from the day before made them nice and soft, but with firm footing. Not many views on the way up, but the views from the top are fabulous.

This route was a fun one. We started out with a 2300 foot ascent to a saddle, dropped down 900 feet to another saddle, then finished the uphill portion with a long ascent to Bill Williams Lookout (Bixler Saddle to Bill Williams L.O.). The uphill portion at this elevation is always a struggle for me, so Bruce and Dave let me set the pace. It was a slow pace with lots of breaks, but it made the hike much more enjoyable for me. Thank you Dave and Bruce!

After a break just below the summit, we headed down the Benham trail. At the end of the Benham Trail, we had to deviate from the plan due to private property boundaries, but even that was fun. We got to see some amazing real estate while following some public roads as we headed around the mountain. After a short off trail section, we passed the city reservoir before reaching Buckskinner park, where we took a final break. We headed off trail once more before finally reaching maintained trails again.

From there it was smoothing sailing back to the TH. This was a very fun hike for me but the great company kicks it up a notch to a great hike. Thanks Bruce and Dave. This was a most enjoyable day!
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A nice little loop my new boss showed me today. Yes, I took pictures of signs. And I forgot to turn the darned GPS on when we started out. (Anyone else have that problem? Or, forgetting to turn it off?) Anyway, it's on the flank of Bill Williams Mountain.

There is water in Clover Spring, but not running. It is green water inside the cistern thingy.

It's very dry around here right now, so the Forest Service is getting ready to close off this area to all entry until monsoon arrives.
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Not actually dripping, but not actually dry. There is water inside if you lift the cover off the tank. But none is running out of the tank.
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Bill Williams Mountain Trail #21Flagstaff, AZ
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Kelly put a great weekend conquest for us and this was the start. Still don't know why this was on my wishlist but with Kelly leading the way and with her words of encouragement, I would make my way up yet another mountain :sweat: : rambo : .
After stopping at Q-T for coffee, frozen and hot, we got out of Phx a little before 6:30AM. We had a pleasant drive to the TH as the traffic wasn't too bad. I had read several trip reports and stuff on the net about this hike hoping someone would say it's not as bad (steep) as you would think but NOPE... it is a mountain after all :doh: .


It started out with a short flat section before you make the initial climb. It does level out after 3/4 mile for quite awhile as the trail slowly takes you upgrade for a period of time... too long actually because you know you have another 2000 feet :-({|= or so yet to go. We did notice quite a few slash piles on the flatter section. We did encounter some other hikers along the way too; one was doing some trail drainage maintenance.

The trail was in great shape and when you're climbing, I say a big "KUDOS" to the trail crew : app : . There is a nice change of topography as you make your way up the mountain including some unusual plants; one that we would really notice on the way down though we have no clue what it was or is. You finally start hitting the switchbacks. They aren't super hard but I gotta dig in with my poles. And like most switchbacks, occasionally you get a chance to barely catch your breath in-between.

It was very cool when we finally hit the aspen too. And the flora would change as we got up higher. We were surprised at what little bird sounds we heard especially in the morning. Soon we were finally at the top. Have you ever noticed the top can never come soon enough ;) . Kelly went out on the rock outcropping the hard way but found the easy way for me to join her for a quick snack before we hit the tower. It was a great place to fuel up. One more mountain more or less done.

Another couple joined us and we strongly urged them to go to the tower but apparently, they chose not to. We hiked UP the road to the tower and hoped the keeper of the tower would be there to let us in. I yelled up a couple times but perhaps he couldn't hear us. Kelly had almost reached the top when he heard us and opened up the door. It really is a small tower but the views, despite the humidity haze were pretty spectacular. We saw the smoke from two lightning started fires (one to the NE and one to the SE). The wind really hollers thru that little tower. We said thank you to Jeff and headed back down as it was lunch time.

We took pics of the lady bugs that had enveloped a couple bushes below and then walked down the road with the hiker who had been doing maintenance work. He showed us where the old trail used to go to get you to the top. It is slightly overgrown now. We had our lunch at the rock outcropping :DANCE: before heading back down the mountain. It was a wonderful hike down. The greenery on both sides of the trail is so lush too. I took most of my movies on this part of the hike since I don't need to use my poles.

We noticed some new things and revisited some things we saw on the way up. This is a good out and back as there is a lot to entertain you in the way of flora and in this case, a tall tree stump that had been stabbed by branches. Kelly did a rock climbing demo (on film). We decided we would try the Clover Spring trail on our way down and that was a nice detour plus you get to finish off the hike in new territory. I really liked that bottom half once you get back to the Clover Spring intersection back to the TH.

We got out the Tibber snack box and Kelly had her root beer and I had my usual 1/2 of my pumpkin spice beer. The picnic table could stand to be in a different place as you would get an occasional whiff from the outhouse. On the drive out, I actually turned around and came back toward the station as I wanted to get a pic of Bill Williams from just below it. There was also a meadow of wildflowers :D that got my attention.

On our way back to Flagstaff, we spotted rain off in the distance to the SE. Little did we know the hiking area we would be going to tomorrow was getting pummeled. We also encountered rain as we arrived in Flagstaff but it didn't last too long. We checked in at our very comfortable motel and then headed to one of my favorite eating spots Buffalo Wild Wings of Flagstaff :) . The waiter was kind enough to indulge my craving of wings and one slammer by letting me order off the Kids Menu. It was a great day with one more yet to go.


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Video 2 - http://youtu.be/v5gbHVCtG0Q
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there are several hikes i've been wanting to do up near flagstaff
it would take me a couple of weeks to hit them all
asked angela if she would be interested in a bill williams/sycamore canyon rim combo for a weekend overnight and she agreed :)
we left north phoenix around 6:15 and were on the trail a little before 9:00 with clear skies, cool temps and fresh mountain air
hiked bill williams mountain 10-12 years ago but very little of the trail was familiar to me, which is odd, as i usually remember it once i see it again
there's a good initial ascent, then it levels out at times
only a couple of steep sections
the trail is well maintained
we focused on just getting up due to the possibility of storms, and had a snack where the trail meets the road
there's a little rock outcropping to the south of two benches that offers good views
from there we walked up the road to the summit, and the lookout let us come up to the tower
the views from there made the hike in my mind - who doesn't love a 360 view from a high point?
talked to jeff for a few minutes, then went back down to our rock outcropping for lunch
took our time heading down, as we could see we wouldn't be getting stormed on for awhile
opted for a trip to clover spring, which had a stagnant pool in the tank, then looped back to the BW trail
had pupus and a beverage at the trailhead before heading to flagstaff for the night
forgot to get times for this - angela?
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The lookout this year is a pretty friendly guy, welcoming all visitors.

Humid from the torrential rains received overnight, but a nice cool breeze at the top. The thermometer on the tower said 68 degrees at about 1PM.
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HAZ has no entry for "stagnant, no flow". The concrete box is not dry, but it is not flowing either. It is rather unappetizing.
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Buckskinner Trail #130Flagstaff, AZ
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This is a very pleasant little trail next to Williams. As the USFS writeup above notes, there are several ways to do this trail. Last fall, we walked it from the City of Williams itself. Today, however, it was snowing pretty good so I drove out to the Taj Mahal Ranger Station building here and started from the Bill Williams TH. There was about 4-6 inches of snow on the ground. We learned last fall that USFS people here take a lot of pride in their trail work. Consequently, I had no fear of walking a new trail in fresh snow. Other places, I'd have to be on guard for loose rocks and poor trail tread. Not here! Nary a rock encountered under the snow in an hour around the loop. Signs were all properly placed and actually pointed in the correct direction! What a novel idea! You go up the Bill Williams past the first intersection to the second one. Turn left here and then go to the next intersection. Clover Spring is actually 100-200 yards farther along the trail that goes toward Buckskinner Park. Last fall it was dry. Today it was producing a stream about the size of one or two #2 pencils. Still neat to see it running in the snow. The loop I did today goes up onto a basalt ridge, traverses along the ridge and then drops back down to the BWTH. It's probably a little less than a couple of miles.
Very pleasant in the fresh snow with patchy sunlight sending down bright beams of light through the snow-laden pines. Of course, the wonderful thing about day hiking in or near Williams is the new indoor swimming pool where one can go after a hike. Bliss!
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