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Crews looking for missing hiker
By Alexis Bechman

November 16, 2010
Tonto Rim Search and Rescue volunteers and Gila County Sheriff officers are currently searching for an overdue hiker.

The man, whose name has not been released, was last heard from nine days ago and is believed to be hiking near the Mt. Peeley trail or Sheep Mountain, off Forest Road 201, southwest of Payson.

The Gila County Sheriff’s Office first received a call that the man was overdue Monday, Nov. 15 about 9 p.m.

“The hiker has not been heard from since Nov. 7 and frequents the Mazatzal Mountain Wilderness area,” according to a press release from the sheriff’s office.

The missing hiker’s vehicle was located at the Mt. Peeley trailhead.



Six TRSAR volunteers are currently searching the ground. Earlier Tuesday, a Department of Public Safety Ranger helicopter did an aerial search of the area, but found no signs of the man
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Is it correct that the only current access is to hike in from FR25? or the highway?
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@nonot That's about it for the foreseeable future.
The FS released an updated closure order October 1st and the gist of it is that the following are prohibited in the area specified below:
1. Possess or use any type of motorized vehicle on the roads in the area described. 36 CFR 261.54(a)
2. Camping in the area. 36 CFR 261.58(e)

Beginning at the intersection of FR 201 and FR 25, proceeding north along FR 201 (inclusive) to the Mt. Peeley Trailhead, then due West to the Mazatzal Wilderness boundary, then following the wilderness boundary west and south to FR 393 then easterly along FR 393 to FR 627, then northerly along FR 627 to FR 201 and then along FR 201 to its intersection with FR 25.


Speaking with a FS rep at the Mesa Ranger office confirmed that although the northeast border of the closure area is the road to Mt Peeley TH, it is off-limits.

The closure order in pdf form is here:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOC ... 393080.pdf
The closure area map in pdf form is here:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOC ... 393081.pdf
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I wonder....If we had an "Event" to search for Joe, if the FS could grant us a special Permit for that day/weekend....Now would be the time to go in there, before all of the new growth fills it all in. Like Outlander said, it's so open now, you could "glass" quite abit of it.....
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@Outdoor Lover Good idea. Possible problem with any downfall on 201...?
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@Outdoor Lover
I have doubts that the FS would grant an amateur search team a special permit for a recent burn area-- but I guess it doesn't hurt to ask :)
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With my experience driving many other Forest Roads in the general vicinity lately, I would bet the road conditions to the Peeley TH are not good at all. Before the FS will allow anyone to drive a vehicle on the road, especially a volunteer effort with no legal standing, I'd expect the following to be completed:
1. the dead-fall and other detritus from the fire is removed
2. erosion damage has been repaired

If the damage is anything like the roads I've been on 'downstream of the fire area ' as far as runoff, #2 could easily take many months, possibly late next Spring. How fast and how much is done I guess is up to the priorities and budgeting of the FS.
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Well maybe we could sweet talk the FS by making them a small deal....Let us have a weekend in there, and in exchange we remove debris from the roads that we go in on??? May not be realistic, but sometimes bartering can work.... :) And it serves our interests at the same time, if we can get 4x4s in to where we want to be.... :D
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The idea might get farther if the MCSO S&R were involved. I have heard the FS gets many, many calls from people wanting to go in and search. I would bet the road is reasonably passable and that FS has been in there already doing whatever it is they do.
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If I can get away (ie: not on call) count me in for sure. capable 4x4, comms, and a desperate need for exercise!

Been way too long since my last Joe search hike =(
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Outdoor Lover wrote:by Outdoor Lover » Oct 24 2012 02:59 pm
I wonder....If we had an "Event" to search for Joe, if the FS could grant us a special Permit for that day/weekend....Now would be the time to go in there, before all of the new growth fills it all in. Like Outlander said, it's so open now, you could "glass" quite abit of it.....
I support this and speaking for GPSjoe's family, I can say that they do as well. We appreciate any and all continued individual and/or organized group search efforts for GPSjoe 11/8/10 disappearance clues. I will gladly be available to indirectly support this effort in any way I can.
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Did the fire hit the south/east side of the ridgeline, too? I thought it mostly nailed the the north/west side-- but maybe I'm wrong? The southeast side was all junk growth (except in the ravines) and would have gone up like flash paper with little heat so maybe there would be clues left. If we're talking about searching the northwest side-- its gonna be an adventure just getting out that way.
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Tough_Boots wrote:Did the fire hit the south/east side of the ridgeline, too? I thought it mostly nailed the the north/west side-- but maybe I'm wrong? The southeast side was all junk growth (except in the ravines) and would have gone up like flash paper with little heat so maybe there would be clues left. If we're talking about searching the northwest side-- its gonna be an adventure just getting out that way.
Comments from Outlander's 10/1912 hike:
All the southern approaches are burned out below the ridge line, SE is burned back past the last probable access point, the flats above McFarland Canyon are torched. It is wide open.
North of the Sheep Mountain/Peeley ridge line did not burn, except a few acres that broke past the fire line, which was later contained.

Based on searching twice in the Manzanita on the SE and particularly Grasshopper's comments about Joe not wanting to repeat his 11/16/09 bail-out route to the SE through the very dense Manzanita (now burned off), I still believe the north-west slope is the most likely area. I've also searched that area twice and plan going back there as soon as it's possible to drive to the Mt Peeley TH.
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I just spoke with a ranger at the Mesa FS office for clarification of the closure order was told Forest Road 201 to the Mt Peeley TH will be closed until April 2013.

So unless doing a 2-day backpack like Outlander just did, that pretty much puts a damper on attempting a one-day search. :(
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To do list-- get out the infared, the bolt cutters, have a winch on the Toyota and borrow a chain saw. No problem getting to any TH--oh did I just say that ;) Awaiting the delivery of my camo mesh tarp for vehicle concealment and I'll be set---
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@RedRoxx44

for some reason I don't think you're joking ;)
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RedRoxx44 wrote:Awaiting the delivery of my camo mesh tarp for vehicle concealment and I'll be set---
Camo mesh?? To conceal it in the burn area something a bit darker than camo may be in order...
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Adorn it with bits of the local vegeation (or what's left of it) to break up the outline. Would be even better if it had little bits of metal crimped on it (like a military net) to scatter any detector signals ...
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Ok, here we go. :o If you don't try, you will never know. :)

Monday, I plan on emailing the Head Ranger at the Mesa Ranger District and asking for a meeting to discuss the ongoing Search efforts to look for Joe. I am sure that he is aware of the fact that there are still many concerned parties out there, due to the publicity generated during the actual Fire Incident.

But, before I do this, I need to know that there are people behind me, willing to help organize, and commit, on short notice to one all-out search effort to take place for an entire weekend in the month of November. And the earlier in November we could swing it, the better. Once inclement weather hits that area, there will be no hope of pulling it off. FR201 is bound to be an absolute mess and any moisture on it, would most likely make it impassable to all vehicles.

As it is now, we would need people with very capable 4x4s who are also willing to take others. We need experienced, seasoned Hikers who can handle the type of terrain and remoteness that this search would require. There is a good chance that FR201 is so bad, that we will not make it all the way to the Mount Peeley TH with vehicles. I would plan on making this a backpack trip, with possibly a base camp set up somewhere near Sheep Mountain to where it won't be a huge Hike out just to get some food and shuteye. Then a Hike out to the vehicles Sunday afternoon, depending on drive time to get out and off FR201 completely.

Something that, if by some wild hope, the FS would probably require in order to even consider allowing this, would be for every participant to sign a Waiver, freeing the FS from any sort of liability in the Event of any kind of accident. So participants would have to be willing to sign such a Waiver, if in fact, we can pull this off.

One thing that Joe's family has explicitly expressed in a very recent email is that they welcome our efforts to continue searching for Joe, but are adamant that all precautions are taken so that no one gets "hurt, lost or arrested" in the process of the Search. We need to honor their request and attempt to do this in the safest way possible. If it turns out that FR201 is simply just impassable, then we either Hoof it or call it off at that point....

In the event that there is a meeting with the FS and it gets far enough, I hope that the FS can give a better idea of what the actual status of the Road is. It is possible that they have already been working on it.

So, before I proceed in starting the wheel turning, I need commitments. I'm not going to go through any of this if only one or two people are going to commit. This whole thing is going to require a large group effort in order to have any hopes of pulling it off. If I get past the first hurdle and am granted a meeting, then I need to go into that meeting with a presentation in hand. What we want to do, how we are going to do it, and when, and that's going to take some serious planning. So I need people on board from Day 1. And I don't mean "interested" people. I need commitments...

If I actually get lucky and convince the FS to let us do this, then I will make this an Official Event with a very short date. We need to beat the Weather....

And then it is possible, that I may not hear back from the FS, or he simply will not entertain a meeting and I will have written this huge post for nothing..... :sweat:

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Outdoor Lover wrote: And I don't mean "interested" people. I need commitments...
Still in. I'm 100% clear for this on all but the first weekend of november, and even that I'm willing to 'overrule' for this cause.
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IF we are allowed to drive to the TH (or at least within a mile or two to of it) I'm in along with a capable 4x4 with room for three more along with their gear.
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