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Nankoweap Saddle Overlook - 9 members in 18 triplogs have rated this an average 3.9 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Nankoweap TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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October 22 (Sunday): Drove up from Phoenix around 9 am & met friends at the Cameron Trading Post, stopped at Lees Ferry (to drop my car), Cliff Dwellers, and finally arrived at the Nankoweap Trail #57 north TH around 4:30 pm to camp for the night. There were a few areas of thick sand on the road and a strip of layered rock across the road as you cross Fence/Wildcat Canyon (draining into South Canyon), but other than that the road seems fine for a car (depending on the type). The strip of rock is basically a couple of steep steps so a car with low clearance may be risky to try. The trailhead is open without many trees and it got super windy through the night. Thankfully we were tucked away nice and warm & were only reminded of the wind by the loud tent flapping. Earplugs are a wonderful thing.

October 23 (Monday): Started our hike a little after 6 am. It was still windy but we welcomed the gusts during the hike up to the Nankoweap Trail TH. Whew, that is a persistent slope but I kept reminding myself how nice it would be during our hike back (it was).

The view from the Nankoweap Saddle is awesome and a perfect welcome start for the hike in. A couple short and easy switchbacks down through a wooded area and we were near the elevation we would hover around for the next approximately four miles. The traverse along the Supai formation gave us the most incredible nonstop views. From what I've heard, the trail along the traverse has gotten better and the "scary spots" are not as scary. I have no comparison as this was my first time hiking Nankoweap. I can say that there are quite a few "no fall zones" (as the cool backcountry Ranger we met called them) and extremely narrow sketchy portions of the Supai stretch of trail. The exposure is constant throughout most of this entire hike but, along the Supai, at least there is also a decent amount of shrubs or layered rock that give a feeling of protection. As a recovering acrophobiac :scared:, I think I felt comfortable on this hike because of the practice and experience I've had over the years with canyoneering and rock climbing and because I had two confident and experienced friends with me (for which I was extremely grateful for the ease and calm within our group). We each cached one liter of water at Marion Point and one liter at Tilted Mesa. It took us about 3 1/2 to 4 hours to hike from our vehicle to Marion Point and 2 hours from Marion Point to Tilted Mesa. Obviously, this will be different for everyone but it's just to point out that a 2 1/2 mile traverse without much elevation change still took us 2 hours.

Now onto the portion of the hike from Tilted Mesa to Nankoweap Creek. It SUUUCKS. This portion of the trail is MUCH scarier in my opinion because it is loose and steep and there are no shrubs or anything to provide a sense of protection. It took me a looong time to hike down this. Actually, I think it took 3 hours going down and 3 hours coming back up. My friends were much more confident on the loose gravelly rock and shale and would have gone down faster than me but they agreed it was the most sketchy part of the hike. I just squatted down and shuffled along a handful of times so I could be closer to the ground instead of flailing around with a big heavy bag. It's cool to be able to see our future camp way down on Nankoweap Creek almost the whole way down this portion of the trail, but also a little defeating since camp doesn't seem to get any closer and the steep and slidey stuff seems to never end. This portion of trail is also a great place to bust out your sun umbrella. I didn't use mine but our friend found one on the trail and was grateful to use it for a while until we found the owners camped down at the creek.

Finally reaching Nankoweap Creek is paradise! Big beautiful Cottonwood trees provide lots of shade and the water is cold and refreshing. There were 2 people camped at the site immediately after crossing the creek but we found a great shady spot just diagonal downstream from them. We got to camp around 3 pm, set up, ate, met our neighbors (who were leaving the next morning), and passed out around 7:30 pm. The temps were pretty perfect all day but the sun shining right on us for so long took it out of us.

October 24 (Tuesday): River day, yay! The hike down Nankoweap Creek was way more beautiful than I expected! Big towering walls & cool formations the whole hike. It's a little slow going mostly because of trying to choose the easiest route out of the maze of trails others have attempted. We hiked directly to the granaries since the temp was heating up & we knew we had switchbacks ahead. The hike up to the granaries is obvious and has rocks for stair steps once you reach the steep part. This is another good place to bust out the sun umbrella as the southern sun is relentless, even when the temps are otherwise very comfortable. Unfortunately, I left mine at camp. The granaries are small and high and it is fascinating to imagine the people's lives who created and used them (How are there not Ancestral Puebloan buns of steel workouts by now??). Perched on the canyon wall, looking down the river with the sun sparkling on the water, makes the steep gravelly descent from the previous day all worth it for a moment. We soaked in the beauty from above and headed down to the sandy beach to get some shade & cool down. The beach here is a beautiful crescent of sand with a shallow sandy entrance to the river & my friend jumped right in and did laps back and forth for a while to cool down. I am do big of a baby for that kind of cold so I just splashed some water on myself. We hung out for a while, continuing to move further upstream to chase the shade, and then hiked back to our Nankoweap Creek camp. We met a Backcountry Ranger who was camped a 10 minute walk upstream from us. She had hiked to the granaries shortly after we did and returned around the same time as us and we hadn't seen each other at all. Even in one small little nook of the canyon, everything is still absolutely massive.

October 25 (Wednesday): Woke up early and started hiking at 4:30 am so we could make it up to Tilted Mesa before the sun got too wild and crazy. Our one friend said he was slow going up so we had him lead the way. Going up was actually pretty nice going slowly and in the dark. It was a million times better than coming down in the hot sun! Maybe getting the most difficult part of the hike while it was cool & dark out changed everything but overall the hike out was not bad. We got to see our Ranger friend again and chat for a bit while hiking out of Saddle Canyon. Got back to our vehicle around 2:30 pm and I got back to my car at Lees Ferry around 5 pm. Pretty nice for a hike-out day! Our one friend is a canyoneering/adventure guide in Mexico and has been to some very cool places in his life...he said this trip has been his absolute favorite. I love the canyon and feel at peace whenever I am in it but seeing that in someone else just made this trip all the more special. <3
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I think we just missed the other colors since most branches up top were bare already.

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Shallow but plenty of water. Water seeping from the wall across from campsite. Clear and cold.
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Butte Fault - Day One, AZ 
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First day backpack to small camp above Tilted Mesa.
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Nankoweap TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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Getting overnight permits months in advance never seems to work out, so monster day hike it is!

Crack 'o dawn start up to the saddle, then a side trip up Saddle Mountain on a steep but mostly thrash-free route. Then back to the saddle for the looonng traverse and then the steeeep, looooose drop down to Nanko Creek. Seemed like relatively low creek flow and pretty warm but still refreshing. Enjoyed the granaries and the 5-star downstream view all to myself, not a single raft in sight. Then a late afternoon slog back up the hill and well into the darkness to finish.
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It’s been 7.5 years since my first visit to Nankoweap so I was due for a return. I scored the permit & after some back and forth Karl was able to join me. We had a flexible plan and would decide things as we go. Our primary goal was to explore the northern end of the Butte Fault Route with a quick summit of Nankoweap Butte. We also wanted to find Mystic Falls but decided to hold off for another time. And right before the trip we found out there was a low flow event so maintenance could be done on the Glen Canyon Dam. The low river could be interesting. Here is my day to day triplog for the adventure.

March 15 – Monday
We originally planned on car camping at the Nankoweap Trailhead but decided to change that plan because cold temps & snow were in the forecast. We stayed at the Marble Canyon Lodge and this worked well. We left around mid-afternoon and took our time driving up there. We made a quick stop at Lee’s Ferry as dusk set in. From there we headed to hotel and got situated for our trip.

March 16 – Tuesday
We left the hotel around 7am and headed for the trailhead that involves driving 27 miles of dirt down FR8910. This went very well as they recently graded the road. You can drive a car to the trailhead. The last few miles had fresh snow but it wasn’t an issue. Once we arrived at the trailhead we finalized our gear and signed the register and then headed in.

The trail starts with a healthy climb of 3+ miles as you head for the pass off Saddle Mountain. The area was blanketed in about two inches of fresh snow and this made the hiking enjoyable. About halfway up this section we encountered two backpackers on their way out. We talked about conditions and continued in. Having their footprints to follow removed any guesswork and we arrived at the saddle a few minutes later. The skies were ominous and the Grand Canyon had fresh snow in the top thousand feet or so. It was very dramatic.

From there we start the long traverse through the Supai. At roughly four miles, it’s the longest trail traverse in the Grand Canyon. We set a steady pace as we wrapped around and went further in. We passed Marion Point and then made quick work of the boulder obstacle. You have to slide past a large boulder protruding from the wall. There’s some exposure but it’s fairly easy. After that we continued in and eventually arrived at the top of the Tilted Mesa where we took a break. The hike down from the mesa is a long grind with many loose & off camber spots. We carefully went down and enjoyed the views. Once at the creek we took an extended break in the campsite we stayed at 7.5 years ago. While there two backpackers hiked up from the river and were glad to hear we were not camping there. They spent a night at the river and were camping here and then heading out the next day. We had nice conversation with them and then cruised the last 3+ miles to the river.

Once at the river we crossed the delta and headed south to find a campsite. There was one rafting party and we chatted it up with them. They said the low flow was making running the river difficult. They had to carefully choose a line and did their best to avoid running ground. They recommended continuing south to the next campsite. We did and found it vacant so we set up camp. We spent the rest of the evening setting up camp and doing camp chores and enjoying the general area. Karl set up his lights and we settled in for the evening.

March 17 – Wednesday
We started our second day off with a trip to the granaries overlooking the river. I forgot how much you have to climb to them. They are way up there but it’s worth the effort. It’s one of the best views in the Grand Canyon. While there we talked to some rafters and they offered us beer back at their camp. So Karl & I headed down and I turned into a social butterfly. We chatted it up with their group and we asked for a ride to Lava but they were only going ten miles. Lava is a lot farther. They gave us a couple of beers and we headed back to camp and packed up and started down the river.

We were headed for Kwagunt Canyon and the going is relatively slow. We tried following the use trail but it’s in poor condition so we headed to the sand bar along the river. This was better but were limited in length. I would go back & forth between the river & the trail up high. Karl stayed on the river and fought his way down canyon. With much effort we arrived at Kwagunt Canyon and filtered water from the river. Kwagunt was dry at the river and this gave us some anxiety so we got extra water. We started the hike up and the water started flowing about a half mile up canyon. It’s about three miles to a basin and we searched for a while until we found a nice campsite on the left bank. We would settle in for the night.

March 18 – Thursday
Our day three started slowly. We had breakfast and then packed up and headed north. Our plan was to cross the Butte Fault Route and summit Nankoweap Butte and then drop back into Nankoweap Creek where we would camp. We opted to follow a drainage and this worked well. There was some scrambling that took some effort but we made good time. We both really enjoyed this section. With much effort we topped out on the pass and we saw two backpackers that we stopped and chatted with for a while. They were heading to Phantom Ranch and reviewed their route with us. Karl gave them some beta from a previous trip.

After our break we dropped our overnight packs and headed for Nankoweap Butte. The going is steep but relatively straightforward as you head for the butte. Once up top Karl enjoyed a summit beer and we soaked in the views. You could see for miles in all directions. From there we returned to our packs and then headed down the north side of the pass. Being off trail in the Grand Canyon is so liberating. We chose the path of least resistance and enjoyed the hike down. At one point we left the wash to avoid a steep pour off. It looked difficult with a full backpack on. The route around went well and a few minutes later we arrived to Nankoweap Creek and found a solid campsite with shade and plenty of room for tents. We would set up camp and then enjoyed the afternoon under a Cottonwood Tree next to the creek. The relaxing afternoon was really nice. Before long evening set in and we enjoyed our final night in the Canyon.

March 19 – Friday
Our last day started fairly early as we packed up and filtered water. We were on trail around 8:30am and started the long hike out. The climb up the Tilted Mesa is a grind that wore us down. It’s very steep and the footing is loose in places. We took a break on top and then started the long traverse. The trail wraps around through the Supai and this goes on for a long time. We took our time as we made our return. We passed Marion Point and then topped out on the Saddle where we took another break. From there it’s fairly easy going as we returned to the trailhead. We would head over to Triple Alcove where we car camped & then headed back to the Phoenix the next day.

It was another memorable trip to the Grand Canyon! Our short stretch along the Butte Fault Route left us thirsting for more. We’d love to hike the full length of it. A return trip is a must! Thanks Karl for going with and thanks for driving!
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May 25 2020
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Nankoweap Saddle OverlookNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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No one there. Views were ok. Trail could use some love. Left a hiker sit pad at the saddle. Hopefully a thru-hiker finds it.
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I have been wanting to do this one for a long time and it did not disappoint! Not only did it exceed my expectations, but it proved to be a perfect backpack to signal an end to the Grand Canyon backpacking season as well as a great way to honor my father’s birthday with something a little more special, which has been a tradition of mine for several years now.

The rough itinerary for this one included two days at Nankoweap Creek, the Granaries, a semi ambitious off trail loop incorporating Kwagunt Creek and a summit of Nankoweap Butte. We arrived late to the trailhead on Friday night, so we were not able to drag ourselves away from the air mattresses as early as we wanted and started around 7 a.m.

The hike down to Nankoweap Creek was the best of times and the worst of times. We both noted being a little fatigued and groggy for the 3 ish mile section to the saddle and point where you drop off the rim. From there, we both agreed the trail was not nearly as aggressive as we had thought it might be, but nevertheless we were both very happy the never ending traverse through the Supai was over. Then it was the steep hot descent to the creek. I am sure it could not have been more than 80 degrees, but that descent felt warm. In fact, it hit C.J. pretty hard at times and she experienced a little lightheadedness on the way down, which reaffirmed my decision that this was most likely our last major hike into the Canyon until fall. As one would expect, it was a great sense of relief for us when we finally hit Nankoweap Creek. However, instead of setting up camp, we took an extended break and decided to head for the much cooler water of the Colorado River, as neither one of us were much for the thought of sitting around at camp for six hours, while waiting for the sun to go down.

The hike down Nankoweap Creek was excellent and although fatigued, we both appreciated the pleasant creek and canyon. There are definitely more scenic creeks in the Grand Canyon, but Nankoweap certainly holds it own in my opinion. Once at the Colorado, it was a quick trip up to the granaries and then a dash to the river for cold water to filter and a quick dip. We found a decent little campsite near the beaches, but away from the blowing sand, made camp, ate dinner and got to bed pretty early. Speaking of dinner, there is nothing you can do this time of year in the Canyon to prevent a Reese from melting.

Day two was the big day for us. The plan was to hike along the Colorado River to Kwagunt Creek, where we would then hike up stream to the general area of the beginning of Butte Fault Route, which we would then take up to Nankoweap Butte and down the other side to Nankoweap Creek and back down stream to the Colorado and our campsite. The Colorado River portion of the hike was simply stunning, cool temperatures and some great morning light. Likewise, the route resembles a well defined trail more than an off trail canyon route, so the pace was relatively quick and the hiking pretty easy. This section of the Colorado may be one of my new favorite sections of river in the park. Kwagunt Creek was a gem in its own right, with tons of quaint cascades, fun geology and generally easy travel. But soon it was time for the climb to Nankoweap Butte and the toughest part of our day. I ended up opting for a route straight up the most predominant ridgeline in the area vs the drainage I had originally drawn a route to the summit from. I think the ridgeline we took may have been the actual geological feature described as the Fault Butte, but I am honestly not sure and need to do some additional research to find out. Either way, it was a very cool geological journey along that ridgeline to the saddle below Nankoweap Butte. Although, I am not sure if the ridgeline is the traditional Butte Fault Route. Despite seeming very close, the final climb tested us a little and gave our calves a wake up call. The summit was terrific and although probably not on par with some of the other ones I have done. However, I still found it rewarding and worth the effort. From the summit, it was the moon dust shuffle down to Nankoweap Creek, where we ran into some guys backpacking the Hayduke Tail, we chatted for a moment and then continued on our way back to camp. Once back at camp, we hopped in the Colorado to cool off and filter some water. Then it was breaking camp and heading back up Nankoweap Creek to the nice campsite we had taken a break at on the way in.

It was extremely windy all night, which prompted a tent relocation due to an arguably irrational fear that a suspect cottonwood in the area might come down on us. The wind made it tough to sleep, which made our early morning start on Monday a little tougher, but alas this is the backpacking life.

We left camp at six on the dot and although it was a slog at times and our muscles ached a little, we were back at the trailhead by noon.

Final Notes

This was a very satisfying little backpack. I remember reading triplogs about the granaries with a lot of envy years ago on HAZ, but at the time it was probably a little out of my league, but it remained in the back of my mind for a long time and I am glad I was able to finally knock it out, along with some additional off trail travel and a new summit, without using someone else's downloaded route. Speaking of route, one of the goals of this trip was to get a little taste of the Butte Fault Route for a perhaps a big trek towards Phantom Ranch from Nankoweap one day. I would by no means say I have it nailed down now, but I do believe I spotted the route to Melgosa Pass, which would be the next step in progressing along the rugged off trail route, so its a start. Also the route numbers are estimated, but I feel most likely pretty accurate. Its tough to get decent GPS routes in those canyons and there was too much spaghetti to clean up for my patience and I still kind of suck at route manager, so no posted route. However, I think I may be able to clean up the day two loop we did and will probably post that and attach it to this triplog one day. Finally, April 30 is always a special date and weekend for me and it’s been important for me to do something a little more special to honor my dad and this little trek certainly satisfied that. I really would give up every ounce of success and personal belonging I own for just five more minutes with the guy.

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After South Canyon, it was a great night of car camping on the Kaibab Plateau and then Nankoweap Trail and a summit of Saddle Mountain on Sunday.

We both enjoyed the short but sweet section of Nankoweap Trail. We found it to be scenic and a unique way to reach the Grand Canyon from our prior experiences and were pleased with a pretty modest glyph find along the way. Once at the saddle, we began the off trail portion to the summit of Saddle Mountain. We took what most off trail hikers with any route finding sense would consider a pretty obvious route to a pretty obvious little break on Saddle Mountain's western slope. There was a little bushwhacking along the way and it was pretty steep, however, overall we both agreed it was not that bad and it looked far worse from a distance. Once on top, we were greeted to some amazing views into the canyon and some dramatic drops. The snow capped peaks were visible in the distance and Tilted Mesa was easily identifiable, along with a few other landmarks that we will be getting a much closer look at when we backpack to the Colorado River from Nankoweap Trail in a couple of weeks. The route to the summit went smoothly and was pretty nice by most off trail standards. The summit had a very large cairn marking it and a pretty busy log in for a peak that did not have that well worn of a use trail going to it. We found a nice spot for lunch overlooking Marble Canyon and the Vermillion Cliffs in the distance and then headed back the way we came.

Final Notes

Route Scout was having a bad weekend and straight lined a portion of our trail, so I estimated the minor SNAFU, however, the route to and from the summit are the actual tracks and would be a good reference for anyone completing a summit from Nankoweap Saddle. This was my tenth Grand Canyon high point and although it did not have the same feel as some of the others, it feels nice to finally get in the double digits!
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This was fun!!
From the Saddle mtn wilderness Trailhead down to the Supai ledge Nankoweap Trailhead, a few hundred ft along Nanko trail the contour north then up up up this sweet locust and oak filled slope through the Coconino

2 false summits with saddles in between, no wonder they call this saddle mountain!

We had two friends in tow who opted out of the summit at Nanko th so Jamie and I charged up to the summit together.

Brrrrr wiiiindy but oholy beans gorgeous views!

House rock valley, mount Hayden, pt Imperial, Comanche, LCR, Desertview...yeah, this was worth it!

Found the geo marker and one triangulation marker but it's very brushy up top so failed to find any others. Oh well.

Hoping to head back to finish off Woolsey Butte next weekend!

Also...fyi...4G on the summit, this is a real time posting. Damn technology ;)

I like to see where I get signal, it's a fun game.haha
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Grand Canyon River RunningNorthwest, AZ
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This is my third Colorado River rafting trip through the Grand Canyon. Wade and I did the same trip two years ago in 2014--a 12-day hiking-intensive rafting trip with Hatch River Expeditions. I love this trip! Wade gave this to me for my 62nd birthday. This time; however, I went alone. Wade did not want to go as he's "Been there, Done that!" I was quite worried about the weather as it was supposed to rain the majority of the time based on weather reports at Phantom Ranch. God was looking out for us as the weather was perfect! We traveled from Lee's Ferry all the way to Whitmore Wash, 188 miles down the Colorado River taking in both the Upper and Lower Canyon. These motor rigs are 35' in length and 16' wide powered by a 30-horsepower, four-stroke motor. They have two tubes on the sides with you can ride in rapids if you want a great thrill! There were only 9 passengers and three crew on the upper canyon trip. Four hiked out at the Bright Angel Trail near Phantom Ranch leaving only 5 of us to go the full 12 days. 24 people hiked down from the South Rim to meet the boats at Pipe Creek for the next 6 days. If you've never done this trip, I highly recommend saving your $$ for this trip of a life time. It's not cheap, but worth every penny if you are adventurous, love to hike fairly difficult hikes and don't mind camping on the beach every night. You'll get to HATE SAND! But, heck, it's only sand. I will write more about his trip when I edit this triplog later. Some of the hikes that I can't find links to on HAZ include Saddle Canyon, the confluence of the Little Colorado River, Miner's Camp (North Bass Trail.) I'm doing my best to keep my "being" below the rim. I'm just not ready for real life yet, but it is nice to have a hot shower!
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Set up camp near the Trail #57 trail head at the end of FR610 at an elevation of 8830 ft on day 8 of my camping trip to the North Rim. The wind was howling so I chose a camp site out of the wind back in the brush. It was still morning so I decided to go for a hike down Trail #57 part way to the Nankoweap Saddle to check it out for a possible hike to Saddle Mtn the next day. The trail drops down 400 ft to a saddle shortly after leaving the trail head and then climbs up to 8880 ft before dropping down to a small plateau at 8400 ft. Lots of up and down going both ways and at an altitude that was leaving me a little breathless. I left Trail #57 on the plateau and went out to its northeast edge where I could get a good look at the route the trail takes down to the saddle and look for a possible route to the top of Saddle Mtn. That's when I decided that a hike to the top of Saddle Mtn involved way more AEG than I wanted to tackle.

There was still plenty of time left in the day so I decided to head west across the small plateau and see if I could find a route up to the top of a small butte. The small plateau is covered with widely spaced pine trees and mostly ankle high manzanita with clear openings in every direction making it easy for off trail exploration. Reaching the top of the small butte turned out to be easy. The route dropped down to a saddle on the west end of the plateau and then ascended up a narrow ridgeback to the top of the butte. It was a very worth while destination. The views down in to the Nankoweap Basin were magnificent. Then it was back to camp to relax with a beer and book before cooking dinner.
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 Flagstaff, AZ
Nankoweap TrailNorthwest, AZ
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The Nankoweap Trail has been a personal "nemesis" for several years. I think it's always been because of the hype surrounding the "scary part" and the overall level of difficulty that everyone seems to agree upon. Just about any material you read on this trail warns of imminent gloom and doom; even the name sounds a bit intimidating.

My first experience with Nank happened many years ago when the Fam was car camping at Marble Viewpoint (highly recommend). I drove out to the top of the North area (FR610) of the Saddle Mountain Trail. My goal that day was to hike to the "scary part" of Nankoweap and check it out for myself. I was solo and low on water when I basically got lost at the freakin' saddle and disappointingly never even found the Nank trailhead.

For the next several years, I continued to read more mystical stories (AZ Highways has a good one) and crazy triplogs about Nank and my anticipation for doing this hike increased each year.

Then last year Paul(PLC92084) had planned a very adventurous 5+ day adventure basically covering the entire region. My backpacking and hiking skills had exponentially increased and I felt very ready. However, family matters forced me to turn around and run home. Before leaving, I did get the lower (west) portion of the Saddle Mountain trail under my belt and easily found the actually Nank trailhead with Paul.

I now knew that a Nank-River journey would be my primary Canyon mission/focus and I was very determined to get this one under my belt. After coordinating times with John(9L) and Todd (Chums) I put in for a permit with the 3 month lottery (even coming to work to fax my app at 12:01am) and fortunately, won my first ever draw. Things were beginning to look good.


We knew Kyle(Tough_Boots) was solid. I left the filling of the last two permit spots to Chumley, figuring any impending deaths would be on his hands. I had hiked previously with the legendary BobP and was very pleased when I knew he was on-board (mainly because he brings sugar cookies). I believe it was Bob who subsequently invited Karl(BiFrost). [Karl decided to make his Nank experience a tad more difficult with an extra 2 miles and 1000 feet of gain on day one...(sorry again about the window Karl, I hate that it was my side that was accidentally left open)]. In my defense, I did carry our gallon of water up to the saddle for us to cache at the overlook). :)

Enough rambling, this trip was FREAKIN' awesome and a fantastic success. No injuries, and great weather and the Nankoweap Trail is just an awesome challenge!! There are a few sketchy parts where death is just an untied bootlace away, but nothing too serious. The steep down-climb on Tilted Mesa reminded me of the decent down South Canyon. I would argue this trail is tougher than Boucher (and New Hance) simply because of the persistent length of difficulty. The Nankoweap is just SO UNRELENTING and MENTALLY TAXING - I don't remember one section of the trail where you could really let go and relax your footing.

The graineries were very special and I thoroughly enjoyed the views. Very majestic!! My only beef is that my disloyal companions (the other 5 squids) TOTALLY dogged me for raft brewskis (and crappy PBR's at that) leaving me at the graineries all by my lonesome. (While there, I thought I heard the spirit of Paul Newman speak, but could not verify).

That evening, I did have a few issues...I had stupidly let a hot-spot on my 4th toe turn into a HUGE, painful blister. Secondly, the waist buckle on my pack broke. All of this (and the severity of the climb out) lead up to a rather anxious evening before we exited. Fortunately, the next AM, the hiking gods smiled upon me - - I effectively taped up the blister and the buckle actually held for most of the climb out. Like I suspected, climbing up Tilted Mesa sucked :pk: but once I reached that point, I knew I would see my kids again.

As always, backpacking with with my fellow HAZer friends proves to be MOST enjoyable and entertaining.
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Our Nankoweap trip started on Saturday morning. The six of us drove up the day before and car camped at the trailhead. The road in is a little rough especially the last few miles. Anyways we all staggered off at separate times and made the hike up to the Saddle Mountain overlook. This part of the hike is 3 miles and you gain a solid 1,500 feet. Along the way we passed at least six backpackers on their way out. We didn’t see any other backpackers until our exit two days later.

From the saddle you drop down through the Esplanade and start the long traverse through the Supai. The going is relatively easy with minimal gain and descent. We passed Marion Point and dropped some water. We continued and started the descent toward Tilted Mesa. The views are just spectacular! The descent from Tilted Mesa really gets the heart rate up. It’s steep and loose. I kept thinking no way there is a trail down this. There was and I was careful every step of the way. Eventually things level off and we made the final push to Nankoweap Creek.

Once at the creek we selected a campsite that was nestled in some Cottonwood Trees. This will be our home for the next two days. After getting set up I was hit with exhaustion and took a very enjoyable nap. Evening set in and we had some fun conversation and then turned in for the night. It was a warm evening and I don’t think anyone slept inside their sleeping bag. I was comfy in my Bivy.

On day two we all made the three mile hike to the river. The going is very easy and very scenic. Nankoweap Creek is beautiful! After an hour we reached the river delta and we all split up as we explored the general area which is huge! Eventually we saw the first set of rafters and made our way to their landing point. We successfully begged for beers and hung out with them for a few. Afterward a group of five of us, excluding Larry, made the hike up to the granaries. I was surprised at how high up they are. The granaries are spectacular! We took lots of pics and enjoyed a long break there. I could spend hours enjoying the views and the camaraderie. During our break another group of rafters landed and a third passed down the mighty Colorado. After successfully begging for more beers we returned to camp and settled in for the evening. The temps were cool and pleasant on day two.

We woke very early on day three and wanted to get a jump on the sun. I was the last to leave camp and carried five liters of water with me. I wasn’t taking any chances on the dry hike out. I would only drink 3+ liters. The hike up Tilted Mesa had me a little on edge after our descent down two days earlier. I felt great and cruised up. It was much easier and I felt way more comfortable on the ascent. We regrouped on the saddle and then Chumley and I started the traverse out the Supai. The going was fairly easy but there are a few spots that are a little unnerving. There are no “OH MY GOSH” obstacles along this hike. However cumulative they all add up to make for an anxiety filled day. We debated on if Nankoweap is more difficult than Boucher. I personally think it is however the others had a different opinion. We’ll need to continue the debate another time.

We reached the saddle and then Chumley and I made the final descent back to the vehicles at the trailhead. We had some celebratory beers as the others stumbled in. From there we returned to Flag for NiMarco’s and then back to Phoenix. This was such a memorable trip! I will definitely hike it again and could not recommend it enough!
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Sep 21 2013
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I wear my sunglasses at night and in the early morning moonlight. Its 2am and the beer isn’t gone but I am. When I wake up, its time to go, my bag was packed but I forgot the bacon from the cooler. :cry: Luckily, I remembered the beer. The hike over to the Nankoweap TH was an adventure with sunglasses and it being dark out. It took me about 2 hours and then I decided to take an hour and 45 minutes to have breakfast and explore before the trip into the abyss.

It was still a little dark as I was descending and I found myself off trail and in a decision making position. Do I climb back up or forge ahead? I forged and then headed back up.
From that point on, I pretty much stayed on trail. Right after Marion point, I ran into a big group of Ciara fans. They were such big fans they even formed a club. We spoke for a little while and they made generous offers for my beer but none good enough. The copter noise started between 8 and 830 am and was intermittent for the remaining miles. The last two miles dragged and I just wanted my chicken breast and Kiltlifters. Finally, Nanko creek was within reach. Cooled off in the creek and 45 minutes later, I was heading for Nanko Butte (separate triplog).

After the Butte, some guy yells at me and succeeded at scaring me but I played it cool. Picked up the pack and setup camp. My comrades were awesome and conversation flowed all over the place that night.

I was concerned about the river hike because I kept missing all the safety meetings. But we stayed together for most of the hike and then I peeled off and checked out a granary that Harvey had photographed (forgot all my pic mimic material) :x . The climb was the hardest bouldering problem ever for me and when I solved it was satisfying. :DANCE: The down climb was wicked scary and I started/stopped and took twice as long to down climb. But I figured it out and decided I’d never do it again although it was wicked cool.

The group was route finding thru the willow awesomeness :lol: and I was waiting on the beach as the rafters pulled in. The rafters updated me on the guys up river and eventually we were united as a group except for Sir Lawrence who was checking out the granaries before us.

Before leaving the area, I pictured what a lake here would have been like. Rumor has it that a land avalanche or rockslide dammed up the river and created a lake. They (the experts) think that this lake is what flooded Stanton’s Cave which is twenty miles upstream. The hike back was fine until I fell. If I had only gone to the safety meetings I thought to myself. 3 Days later there is still a dull pain. After dinner, I had a good beer (Thanks Karl) and then my first PBR in forever. Party lights rock :y:

The hike out was incredible. This time I put my contacts in and enjoyed the moonlight... the serious moonlight. Redwall on fire ….Coco glowing….Mauv was sparkling. Hit the cache and snacked up. Saddle Mountain mocked me as I slithered by. Lunch and beer and a shower were dominating my thoughts. A black tailed Jack hopped in front of me and then a cotton tail motored by.

Great trip…great group dynamic…Enjoyed meeting Kyle and getting to know the others a little better… no :pk: . Bill Murray has been in way more movies than we named and I want to know why no one told me Paul Newman died.
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Wow. Sweet trip! I hurt a little bit! :)

Hike Info: The first 3 miles up FS Nankoweap Trail 57 to the NPS boundary is a killer grind. With a full pack, carrying water, etc. it'll get to you!
The rest of the hike is long but not terrible. The previously reported "scary spot" has been improved and is not particularly scary. Not to say that just anybody should be out here. Plenty of people would not be comfortable on any of this trail. It is exposed, angled, and there's lots of scree. It is definitely not for the inexperienced canyon hiker.

I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of shade. Don't get me wrong. It is a south and west facing hike almost the entire way. But I was happy that there are some occasional junipers and little overhangs or drainages that provide a brief respite from the blazing sun. But there are not many.

The traverse seems to go on forever, and when the trail finally drops off Tilted Mesa, the footing becomes spectacularly loose. I was happy to have trekking poles to help with stability (a heavy pack on your back certainly doesn't help), but still managed to fall twice.

Once at the creek, we found a suitable camp site in some cottonwoods just across the creek and slightly downstream of where the trail enters. There is a good flat area for camping several hundred yards upstream as well, but there is very little shade there. A bit over a mile upstream there is another good camping area, this one shaded and flat, but unless your route is taking you upstream, I wouldn't consider going that far to camp.

The hike downstream to the river was pleasant and relatively easy. Once near the river, stick to the use paths and head south to the beaches and the Granaries trail. Following the creek into the delta to the river will get you tangled in a mess of tamarisk and other scrub brush.

On the hike out, we left at sunrise, and in the 2+ hours it took to reach Tilted Mesa we were pleasantly surprised that about half the hike was shaded. This will be less true later into the fall as the sun rises farther south than in late September. Once on the traverse, the only shade was found in the occasional drainage, overhang, or small treel.

Don't underestimate the last 3-miles once you reach the saddle. It lasts forever, and the 400-foot climb about a mile from the car is the last thing you want to deal with after 5-6 hours of hiking already!

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Great group of people. Good to meet Karl for the first time. I think BobP was there, but he likes to hike when normal people are asleep, so I'm not really sure. I think he did about 40 miles the rest of us skipped. It was a very safe trip, with some taking safety more seriously than others, for which I was supremely thankful. Not sure why rafters carry PBR on the river, and I might have complained, but that's not like me, so I just shut up and enjoyed a Modela instead. Also had a pretty G'Knight. Or 4. Slept great! :)

First night was warm for sleeping, but a cold front pushed through with crazy winds late Saturday night and Sunday. Got sand blasted on the beach by the river a little bit. Went for a swim in 47-degree cold Colorado river. Very refreshing. :o Sunday night was much cooler and very pleasant for sleeping. The Mountain House dinners were good I suppose. I was disappointed nobody brought bacon, but somehow survived anyway.

Of course this all ended at NiMarcos where everybody (not just 9L) consumed more calories than we could have possibly burned hiking out earlier in the day. Pizza and wings make for a pretty good post-hike snack.

Fun trip. Thanks for getting the permit Larry!

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Lower Nankoweap Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
An entire wall of springs, with one flowing like a faucet. Water pouring out of the rocks! Clean and pure!

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Middle Nankoweap Spring Dripping Dripping
Signs of water from the dirt wall along the creek. Moisture and lots of thick vegetation. Creek was flowing so I didn't feel the need to look for collectible source directly from the seep.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Nankoweap Creek Light flow Light flow
Plenty of water for filtering, but rarely more than ankle deep.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Nankoweap Creek Trail Junction Light flow Light flow
Small stream at the junction. Occasional ankle-deep pools make filtering easy. I built a small dam for a deeper pool. Clear and good tasting water. Probably around 60-65 degrees.
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Oct 13 2012
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My first thoughts were to skip this entry since it wasn't the trip I'd planned. Still... it was a trip (although brief) and I got to hike in AZ. At lease I got to see the North Rim in person. Now I know where we'll be going when we set up Nankoweap 2.0...
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I drove 3 hours from Flagstaff and met San Diego Paul (PLC92084) at junction of 89a and 8910/445 with the intention of 5 nights in Nank/Kwagunt area...alas, I was the final member (of 6) to bail on Paul; I had a domestic problem back at home that same night.

The next morning, Paul was bummed at my news and diligently tried to persuade me onward. After some thinking, it appeared he had the intention of attempting solo (or at least taggin' behind some young'ins we met that next morning.) I offered to day-hike up Saddle Mountain to the Nank trailhead/overlook and carry a gallon/cache for Paul. However, after we arrived at the saddle, he decided the hiking gods were simply NOT smiling on him this weekend; he sadly bailed as well.

To add insult to injury, poor bro got a flat tire on the way out on 8910. At least I was there to provide some needed car support. I feel so bad for Paul - he did a Class ONE job of planning and coordinating this trip. I hope I'm not on his "naughty list". I was very happy when he started to inquiry of me, some future trip opportunities next year.

This hike is pretty sweet, but a brutal start to the already TOUGH Nankoweap hike. The hard thing about this hike, in either direction, is that you drop down into Saddle Creek, then have to climb back UP to the Saddle or parking lot...

The views from the saddle are awesome and very rewarding. They show the entire Nankoweap/Kwagunt regions...

I had done the other leg (from FR610) a few years ago when the family and I camped at Marble Viewpoint (highly recommend this trial in either direction).
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I hiked a 1.8 mile section of this trail starting from the opposite end at the Nankoweap #57 trail head on FR610. From FR610 the trail drops down hill passing a small knob on the right which offers a great view and was my original destination. From there I could see that the trail continued down hill and then went up over a hill so I decided to see what was on the other side of the hill. My curiosity led me past that hill on down the trail to where it crossed a bench before dropping down over the side. Not wanting to lose anymore altitude becasue of the heat and not being prepared for a longer trek (only had 1 liter of water) I decided to walk out to a point on the bench and then return. The flat bench had widely spaced Ponderosa Pines which made for an easy off trail walk. There were some great views from from this point and it was a good day for pictures with beautiful cloud formations adding to the beauty of the canyon.
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