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Pine Mountain 6814 - 10 members in 20 triplogs have rated this an average 4.2 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Nov 04 2023
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Pine Mtn Not a Trail Loop, AZ 
Pine Mtn Not a Trail Loop, AZ
 
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking11.88 Miles 2,588 AEG
Hiking11.88 Miles   6 Hrs   28 Mns   2.45 mph
2,588 ft AEG   1 Hour   37 Mns Break
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Despite reading my last triplog that reiterated how terrible this road is, I somehow still didn't remember how terrible this road is. It's probably a good thing because this wilderness likely stays a little more wild as a result. A warm day for early November, topping out over 80 in the sun, but mostly in the low 70s. Still not that brisk chill you expect in autumn at this elevation.

We headed up Nelson and stayed right hitting Pine Mtn 14 instead of the more direct route on Willow 12. Headed north along the rim to the summit and managed to enjoy a nice break despite the single worst air quality day I have ever hiked in here. Prescribed fires filled the air with smoke and limited views to less than 30 miles. At least it wasn't thick enough to make breathing difficult!

The return part of the loop was eventful. We opted to skip Willow once again and follow a route I had previously taken. I'll call it North Sycamore Creek, though it isn't really named on maps. Of course, I missed this turn too, and had to backtrack a bit once I realized it. I was following a previous route I'd taken, but I didn't remember that it's not a trail. At all. Gravity helped out, and I'd rather do this kind of thing downhill. There was a faint route in places, but mostly just bushwhacking for a couple of miles until we got back to Nelson.

Saw a fair amount of bear and lion scat, but the only living beasts were deer and a good number of turkeys.
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Brilliant yellow oaks at their peak. A few spots with some red maples.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Nelson Place Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Plenty of good clear flow
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Nelson Trail #159Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
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Backpack17.00 Miles 3,200 AEG
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1st trip
My plan for this backpacking trip didn't really work out because of the lack of water. The only available water appeared to be within 1 mile of the trailhead from a series of 4 springs that collectively appear to be called Nelson Place spring.

If I would offer a suggestion it would be to explore the Pine Mountain Wilderness via dayhiking. The Salt Flat campground area is pretty nice, though you have to bring all your water with you.

I would also warn potential backpackers that other triplogs reporting water for "several miles along the start of their hike" probably aren't really counting their distance and don't realize that the water ends after the first mile.

While the Nelson trail was in good shape, most of the other trails are in poor condition. The worst was the Salt Flat connector trail, and the second worst was the Verde Rim trail. Surprisingly you will find cows along every trail, including at the top of Pine Mountain itself!

I ran through 90% of my water when I was only halfway through my Saturday loop, likely due to the higher than forecast temperatures, so I struggled to finish the trip.

Takeaways:
The spring fed areas along Nelson trail are very nice, and I was surprised to see all the trout.
Pine Mountain is an enjoyable destination, and there are great views of the entire Mazatzals from the top.
The rest of the trails suffer from significant overgrowth. Some also suffer from not-existingness in sections. There was easily a half mile stretch of Pine Flat trail where I didn't see any evidence of a trail.
For some reason, once you get away from Nelson trail by more than a quarter mile (except Pine Mtn itself), you will only see Junipers, no pine trees.

Driving: Lots of triplogs speak to road conditions. I would say the last 7 miles to the trailhead is rated a high clearance rd. I think 2wd with limited slip differential or else 4wd is helpful due to the rough road. From highway 17 to trailhead took 60 minutes. From trailhead to highway 17 took 56 minutes.
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dry Beehouse Canyon Dry Dry

dry Beehouse Spring Dry Dry
I was on the lookout for this spring, but didn't see anything wet.

dry Bishop Spring Dry Dry
No water in this area that I saw, perhaps I didn't go far enough off trail downcanyon?

dry Black Alder Spring Dry Dry
Perhaps I missed the spring, but didn't find anything.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Nelson Place Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
A lifesaver. Collectively the 4 different areas water came out of the ground probably add up to 100 gallons per minute.

dry Willow Spring Dry Dry
Perhaps I missed the spring, but didn't find anything.
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Pine - Turret Loop, AZ 
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If fall's taught me one thing it's don't be an early bird because all you get is worms. Finally timed a fall trip right and got to see the Pine Mountain Wilderness in a full turn. From the lowest sycamore to the highest oak, along with the trees of Bishop and Sycamore Creeks, it was all at peak. Wanted to give the Pine Mountain - Verde Rim Loop a go for the color, and I couldn't help but stretch it out and add Turret Peak. 8 miles on the incomparable Verde Rim with two of the most scenic summits in central AZ, plus fall color all around the wilderness area, admittedly looks a lot better on paper. Not sure I'd ever do this again.

The drive in was an hour and half from the 17, about an hour of which was spent on the final road's last five miles. One creek crossing in Dugas. I'm more cowardly and strapped for cash than most drivers, but I would personally not chance it with mid-clearance or lower. Only people I saw all day were two pairs of hunters who were driving out as I was driving in.

Nelson through Willow Springs a near perfect turn of sycamore and oak, but the real show is on Pine Flat in Beehouse Canyon where the maples were astonishing. Every drainage on that side of the mountain was filled with yellow and red. Pine Mountain summit is as good as advertised. With the climb up Verde Rim 161, the whole experience is nearly as good as Mazzy Peak, with everything near and dear from the SF Peaks and higher mountains of Coconino/Kaibab to the local summits in the New River Mountains and Superstitions to the south on full display. The Mazzy views are as good as it gets outside the range.

Down the rim on 161 until it veers down the mountain, and I proceeded up the ridge. Lots of cattle out and about, and they have carved good trails down the Verde Rim for many stretches. Getting to Mockingbird Pass was the easiest of the off trail portions, and after that it is a significant bushwhack until bottoming out in Bishop Creek. South of the pass is a rocky ridge that can't be traversed. Bushwhacked along side it. After that it mellows out a little until Turret. Any drainage and nearly all ups/downs involved pushing through the brush/low trees, and in the grassier moments the terrain was littered with rocks of the wrong size. Climbed through the cliffs to get to Turret, and then up the slopes that are rocky, steep, and loose. Made my way around to a summit scramble. I do not know of a summit outside of the Mazzies that has a better view in Central AZ. For me, better than Pine Mountain. Between the two, it's like being at the center of it all.

1000ft bushwhacking down Turret over some frustrating mountainside to Bishop Creek. Bishop Creek was a full turn. Good cattle trails along the banks. Lots and lots of yellow. Got to the drainage that leads up to Buck Basin. Took the ridge instead of the creek. More bushwhacking around a broken ridgeline before the grass took over on the mountainside and the going got easier. Descended into Buck Basin after having worked my way above. First good trail since 161 honed into view. Half mile+ up to Nelson. Nelson until about a half mile or mile to Pine Flat is gone to the wilds, and ~7 miles off trail for the day turned into ~9. At that point, it was killer. Just wanted to put my head down.

At first Pine Flat Trail looks like it's a goner, but continuing through the overgrowth sure enough it's there. It comes and goes at times, but there are some ribbons in the trees and cairns on the ground. In Sycamore Creek the oaks were as good as it gets. It's a lovely stretch of trail, and I was glad I hadn't skipped it for Short Cut. After that it's through Pine Flat which could more accurately be called juniper flat, and then into Beehouse where the maples were nearly all a deep red. Stopped looking around much and focused on finishing before sunset. Made it back as the sun got to disappearing, but it was still light enough to see the road.
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Even turn just about everywhere, all drainages and sections of sycamore, oak, maple, etc were at peak. Very little green left, leaves starting to fall.
 
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Pine Mountain Loop, AZ 
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Got this idea from a loop that @The_Eagle did about 10 years ago. Arrived at the Salt Flat TH at about 10 AM. It was in the low 30's. There was just one other truck parked with no one present.

Started out on Nelson Trail for just a bit. When I planned this out my thought was to go clockwise, but ended up changing my mind at the last minute. That may in fact be the better way to go in retrospect.

Just before the Pine Flat Trail takes off into Beehouse Canyon I ran into a young couple who were camping practically right on the trail. About 20 feet past their campsite was the entrance to the Canyon. Beehouse falls nicely at the midpoint of the best and worst of today.

Pine Flat meets Shortcut Trail at the top of a rocky mesa and traverses this mesa for a relatively uninteresting 5 miles or so. This is rocky, open ground with some manzanita, juniper and the occasional pine tree to mix things up. Not gonna lie in saying that Shortcut was pretty boring.

The entire world changes at about 6.5 miles entering the upper sections of the southern part of Verde Rim Trail. In my humble opinion these are some of the most fantastic views that I have seen in Arizona. Better than Pine Mountain summit. I really don't know what to say other than that all our favorite ranges were front and center. No Grand Canyon, but pretty much everything else. These views along this portion of the trail were the first unobstructed views of the day and really took my breath away.

From here the Verde Rim Trail that leads to Pine Mountain was steep and brushy. I didn't have too many issues, but i think downhill might be a better choice for this section. Pine Mountain summit is flat and there was a soft spot to rest for a couple of minutes. The western views are obstructed from this vantage point by another mountain and young oak.

Willow Creek Trail is about a third burned but the sections that aren't burned are pretty glades of predominantly pine forest.

Everything I saw today was dry except at the lower elevations where Nelson Spring is running incredibly strong.

Finally a word on the roads in. CR 171 is decent with some washboarding. Things get worse on Dugas, but still Subaru-able. Once you turn onto FR 68 the road is just a rocky, tough Arizona forest service road. High Clearance absolutely, but how high? My truck did fine...no worries and I didn't need 4WD once.

Things were special enough in this wilderness to start working towards a multi day backpack incorporating Cedar Bench Wilderness which is connected at its southern end by FR 68G which to the south terminates close to the northern end of the Verde Rim Trail in the Pine Mountain Wilderness.
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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Hiking10.90 Miles 2,200 AEG
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1st trip
Pine Mountain has been on my list for several years now. But I never thought I had enough vehicle to get there, and if the current road is any indication, I was right, at least for me and my vehicle. But things change and so do vehicles. :y: And even with the truck, that road though. 5 MPH tops for the last 7 miles. It wasn't hard, no need for 4L, but just rocky and rough enough that unless you wanted to keep hitting the top of the cab with your head, you were going to have to take it slow. :sweat: There was an outfitter camp in the campgrounds, but I was the only other vehicle when I arrived.

My first time in this area at all and it was pretty sweet. I started a bit late, I think it took me about 1 1/2 hours to get from I-17 to the TH. I thought about doing a bigger loop, but with the later start and me dinking around the first 3 miles of the hike taking photos, I had to stay with the original plan. I also wanted to do the rough drive back while it was still light.

It was interesting to learn after about 1 1/2 miles of hiking the Nelson Trail, that I'd been hiking on Private Property? Apparently, although no indication at the start, part of the Nelson Trail is not on Public Lands, according to the signs later encountered. There were also fresh survey ribbons and stakes along the way, which makes me wonder what the fate of this particular stretch of trail will be. It would be a shame to lose it, as it is a beautiful section of the trail.

The first 3 morning miles were beautiful, with Sycamore Creek flowing, springs running and trees glowing with new spring growth. The birds were very active too. Then it started to heat up, the water dried up for the most part and the gnats were out in force. Luckily there was a breeze at times, but I kept moving. Decided to do the loop CW, just to get the uphill out of the way as soon as possible. Just before topping out on Rim, I ran into the Outfitter, with 2 others. Hunters, with 3 Mules and 6 Hounds. Looking for Spring Bear and Lion I guess. They weren't the talkative type and neither was I, but I did sweet talk the hounds a little.

Topped out on the Rim and enjoyed the views. It was rather warm and the gnats were incessant, but I found some shade under a pine for a break and a snack and then I hit the top of Pine Mountain. I was kind of amazed how the top itself was almost devoid of trees, but the views were really sweet. Back down and around and more trail along the rim for a bit. Hit the Pine Mountain Trail and started the descent. Trail is pretty rocky here, so there was no cruising, just trying not to roll an ankle. Hung a right back onto Nelson and kept going. Got back to the non-loop part of the hike and the trail got better and I started to cruise for the finish. My "back to the barn" mentality was interrupted by a sun bather on the trail. He was over 4' long and gorgeous. I couldn't help but stop and admire that beautiful skin. He modeled for me for about 20 minutes or so and then he went off to go find some lunch. And my cruising resumed. A few brief stops for photos the last 1 1/2 miles and then it was back to the truck. With the exception of the Guide and his Clients, I hadn't seen another soul all day. Until now. The Campground was filling up. Several cars and quite a few people were there. Time to go.

I was hoping to not meet cars on the road, but on a Friday afternoon, even with that road, the hope was for naught. Luckily there were only two coming in. The road is a single lane, with very few spots to pull over for oncoming traffic. The first small SUV had to get up off the road, as I was climbing a hill. I had to get up off the road for the 2nd small SUV. It's not that easy, as the tall grass along the road tends to hide even the bigger rocks. No clue whether either of them made it to the Campground, or if they were even going that far. Hit the highway and headed for home. Looked like a normal Friday Night in late April, as far as traffic goes. Lots of vehicles headed north, many pulling trailers.

The Truck did great and I was so happy. I'm feeling a bit liberated in that there are a few more areas I can now get to without the worry of breaking a vehicle to do it. Trying to break the truck in right, and that always involves a little pinstriping. :D

This was a great area! I'll be back to do some other Loops here as well. There are several options out there. This was my first time above 4000 feet in over 1 1/2 years, so it was a good hike to acclimate to something higher. And much cooler than the Valley for sure. Not sure if my desert hiking is over for the season or not, but it was nice to see and hear the pines again.
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There are a few blooms starting, but nothing significant. Verbena has a few clumps here and there and the Lupine is just starting to think about spring.

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At FR 68 Crossing

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Crossing Water in Dugas

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Nelson Place Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Pine Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute

dry Tank Canyon Dry Dry

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Willow Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
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Pine Mountain 6814 Lasso Loop, AZ 
Pine Mountain 6814 Lasso Loop, AZ
 
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DixieFlyerTriplogs 1,375
Hiking10.40 Miles 1,939 AEG
Hiking10.40 Miles   5 Hrs   10 Mns   2.32 mph
1,939 ft AEG      41 Mns Break
 
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Pine Mountain 6814 has been on my radar screen for a while, mainly because it is a wilderness high point and a P2K peak, meaning that it has 2,000' or more of topographic prominence. With the temperatures starting to heat up in the valley, I figured that today would be a good day to go check out this area.

I had read trip reports that indicated that FR 68 wasn't exactly a super highway, so my expectations for conditions of the road were pretty low. While the road was pretty rough, it wasn't as bad as I feared -- I took it slow in a number of places, but made it to the TH without incident. You would definitely need a HCV to navigate this road, and I think that you'd also want a 4WD vehicle. I imagine that it took me a little over an hour to get from I-17 to the TH.

This turned out to be a cool hike: I did a CCW lasso loop hike. From the TH I took the Nelson Trail for about 3 miles; then took the Pine Mountain Trail to the Verde Rim Trail; then took the Willow Springs Trail back to the Nelson Trail; then took the Nelson Trail back to the TH. While on the Verde Rim Trail I took a short off-trail jaunt to the Pine Mountain Summit.

I enjoyed the hike -- there was a creek with water flowing alongside most of the Nelson Trail. Most of the hike was beneath some large trees, which provided some filtered shade from the sun. There were some nice views as I gained elevation, and the views at the summit were definitely nice.

I imagine that I will do this hike again, probably in the fall. Perhaps by then my selective memory will have kicked in and I will have forgotten about how rough FR 68 is.

I saw no other hikers on the trail, so social distancing was not an issue.
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There was not much in the wildflower department today: a few gooding's verbena and western wallflower was about it
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Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ 
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A CCW re-do of an earlier loop from 2013.

We were shocked on the way in, on the rough part of FR68, to encounter the sheriff & deputy driving the opposite direction. The Sheriff's truck pulled over and we decided to have a friendly conversation with her for a few moments.

The only car at the TH, we started at a comfortable yet humid 63 degrees.

Nelson Trail #159
This one starts you through a jungle of humongous Sycamores to, and through the old "Nelson Place". This is one of my favorite portions of this hike. This area is in need of additional exploration someday. This trail climbs steadily until it meets up the Verde Rim Trail.

Verde Rim Trail #161
This one climbs out of the forest and steeply at times to the exposed rim. The sun and lack of a breeze made it warm in spots. The views make up for it. Not just at the peak, but for all most all of the 6+ miles, great views to the Mazzy's and even the Supes

Views from Pine Mountain.
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Still on the Verde Rim Trail...Wally passes, Karl passes, Joe passes, a fawn that pops up from laying 3' from the trail and bolts. I was surprised it still had it's spots this late in the season.

After a relaxing walk along the old FR on Little Mesa past the Little Mesa Tanks, you make the steep and loose drop down the Salt Flat Trail.

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Great views to the west of the Bradshaws.

Great hiking with Wally and Karl again...Joe too.

Thanks for driving Karl
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dry Beehouse Canyon Dry Dry

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Little Mesa Tanks 76-100% full 76-100% full
Muddy, but plenty there to filter from

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Nelson Place Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
As always, plenty to filter from

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Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ 
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Previously have hiked some of the shorter loops on Pine Mountain but this time Bruce put together slightly longer one with some new trails at least for me. First we went up the Nelson trail and the spring area and some very large Sycamore's. Trail stays in the canyon through some decent ponderosa forest and a few pools which were probably just runoff but at least one could be year round. Eventually we hit the Verde Rim Trail and the ascent up to Pine Mountain. This was the hottest part of the hike for sure with a bit of humidity added on. We made the summit and had a nice break...Joe picked out a fine spot!

After lunch we continued to follow rim over to the Salt Trail. The trail was uneventful on top but views made up for it especially as it dropped back down to the trail head. Very steep the last mile and would be a chore going up. Back at the vehicle we enjoyed a post hike beverage....sorry Joe I forgot your's :cry:
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Pine Mountain 6814Camp Verde, AZ
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FOTGTriplogs 1,052
Hiking9.74 Miles 2,215 AEG
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I took the pups up to Pine Mountain Wilderness for a little hike this morning. I wanted to keep our hike close to the valley and as close to 7,000 feet as we could. My best two options for that are Peeley and PMW, Pine Mountain won today, due in large part to the perennial stream section at the beginning that I knew the pups would appreciate on the way back to the trailhead.

This is my third time to this area and although, I have only done variations of the same hike, I am still generally pretty impressed with the area. The perennial stream section and the robust spring that feeds it is a real gem and this time through I noticed for the first time the semi-large trout that must have been planted there by the forest service. I really can't imagine that small section of perennial stream holding a viable trout through the summer, but someone has and apparently they thrive in their limited environment. The final push to the peak was a tad warm even before 9 in the morning, but it was a little breezy up top and it felt great in the shade where we took a quick break. Solid views as usual from there, but a little hazy today. I didn't think we would see anyone up there today, but we did run into a local rancher on horseback. From the sounds of it, he was scouting the area for the beginning of turkey season, or a turkey hunt tomorrow. I did not make a loop of today's hike and just did an out and back to save a couple minutes, as I needed to be back in Phoenix by early afternoon. We made a couple stops along the creek on the way out for the pups to cool off, but still made it back relatively quickly and I was able to get back in time for some obligations in Phoenix.
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I had been wanting to get back out to this area since my first hike in the area a couple years ago. The return trip was well worth it and the place still left a good impression on me, but the drive in sucks and I can't believe I had forgot that.

Luckily with the fall colors and the big views from the rim today, the long drive became an afterthought pretty quickly. This is a really nice area this time of year and a quaint, but worthy little wilderness area. We only saw one person all day (a hunter) and moved pretty quickly on the generally nice trail. The views from the rim were especially nice today due to some nice clouds. There were also some nice sections of fall colors along the way and just about perfect hiking temperatures.
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John9LTriplogs 1,647
Hiking9.95 Miles 2,041 AEG
Hiking9.95 Miles   4 Hrs   36 Mns   2.31 mph
2,041 ft AEG      18 Mns Break
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1st trip
Met up with Lee and the pups for a fun hike north of Phoenix. We met at the Happy Valley Park N Ride at 6am and made the drive up. We turned off at the Dugas / Orme exit and headed east. The long dirt road turned into a pain! Overall the road is in good condition but very long and tedious! We were driving in right after the sun peaked over the horizon and spent most of drive with a blinding sun directly in our eyes! We were both glad when we arrived at the TH around 8am. Speaking of that we pulled in and parked next to Chumley’s truck who was car camping. He was sleeping in the back of his truck and I’m glad he didn’t shoot us after waking him up!

We hung out with Chumley for about 20 minutes and then started our hike. The trail is in good condition as it makes a steady climb. The lower canyon had lots of water and some nice fall colors. We continued up and hit the start of our lasso and opted for a clockwise loop. We continued up and topped out on Pine Mountain. Once there we soaked in the views and ate a snack. From there we continued along the rim and eventually started our descent back to the TH. We cruised down and were back to the TH around 1pm. Chumley was long gone so we packed up and made the drive back to Phoenix.

This was a nice hike and I’m glad I can finally check it off the list. The road is a pain but the hike is worth doing at least once. Thanks to FOTG for driving!
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Nov 04 2017
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57 male
 Joined Apr 25 2011
 Goodyear, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 04 2017
NightstalkerTriplogs 1,740
Hiking10.80 Miles 1,917 AEG
Hiking10.80 Miles   5 Hrs   55 Mns   2.36 mph
1,917 ft AEG   1 Hour   20 Mns Break15 LBS Pack
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1st trip
Perfect temps, overcast skies, and plenty of trees for today's hike to Pine Mountain. Left McD's at Carefree Hwy and I-17 at 5AM and made it to the trailhead just before 7am. As noted by others, high clearance vehicle recommended! I was pretty spooky doing this road in the dark before sunrise. There were at least 3 campsites in the camping area at the trailhead, no one offered us any bacon before departing though, guess they don't like pretty girls. Lots of hardwoods at peak color throughout the duration of the hike with plenty of pines mixed in for additional color. Got stuck behind cattle two different times on the way in. They got a good working trying to stay ahead of us. Took the side trail up Pine Mountain for the best views of the Verde Valley on the hike. Saw one other person in the 10+ miles of trail.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Extreme

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Nov 04 2017
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 Joined Sep 18 2002
 Tempe, AZ
Pine Mountain Plus, AZ 
Pine Mountain Plus, AZ
 
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking11.81 Miles 2,408 AEG
Hiking11.81 Miles   6 Hrs   5 Mns   2.28 mph
2,408 ft AEG      54 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Spent the weekend at Salt Flat Campground. Saturday Matt and I hiked a north loop to Pine Mtn. The weather was perfect! The leaves were sporadic to start, and just a little bit blah/dull overall. Not quite the saturated color I would have hoped for.

There was a truck at the trailhead with a HAZ sticker, but we didn't manage to cross paths with @nightstalker. We did cross paths with @mr14ner, the 3rd time that's happened for me!

Sunday 9L and FOTG stopped by in the morning to visit before heading out on a loop of their own.

I made an effort to drive the road to the Rim, but gave up just past the Oxbow Trail since I had been bumping along for over an hour. I could have made it the rest of the way, but it was really slow going, and I just wasn't enjoying it and the end goal of hiking down to Cold Water Spring just wasn't worth the effort I was putting forth.

So I turned around and headed back down to where the road is nice again!
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Autumn Foliage Observation Moderate

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Beehouse Spring Dripping Dripping
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout 100 yards below marked spot, several shallow pools of clear water during a record dry autumn.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Nelson Place Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Clear and reliable as always

dry Pine Spring Dry Dry
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout

dry Willow Spring Dry Dry
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout
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Mar 28 2017
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 Fountain Hills,
WILD on Pine Mountain, AZ 
WILD on Pine Mountain, AZ
 
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FLYING_FLIVERTriplogs 293
Hiking6.46 Miles 1,633 AEG
Hiking6.46 Miles   4 Hrs   47 Mns   2.31 mph
1,633 ft AEG   1 Hour   59 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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The ‘boulder crawl’ drive:
It’s a 21 mile drive from I-17 to the north TH for, Verde Rim Trail #161.
The first 14 miles of road are OK, with the last 7 miles being mostly a boulder field. I was literally at a 2 or 3 mph boulder crawl, over very large boulders for most of those last 7 miles. I knew about the road conditions prior to using it, but I had another hike I wanted to do from this road, if I had time. I ran out of time.
As many know, there is an alternative road/TH, for hiking the Verde Rim Trail #161, by connecting to it from another trail. I recommend that TH.

The Hike:
Excellent hike - In a pine forest, with views to the east that never quit. Trail #161 is in great shape, with just a bit of encroaching growth & a bit of deadfall.

The high point of Pine Mountain is a very nice, relatively flat area, with alot of open space. Surveyors placed Wild Triangulation Station on the high point, near the rim, in 1946. They also set reference mark #1. A Forest Service Disk was already established up there in 1938, 17 Ft from Wild BM, and surveyors used it for their Wild RM #2.

Once done with those three disks, I went further south on the trail and located Wild Azimuth Mark, which is even closer to the rim, and only a few feet lower than the BM’s high point. The ‘line of sight’ from Wild Azimuth to Wild BM is over the drop off of the rim. There are great views from the azimuth disk also.

Yes - The arduous drive was slow and tedious, but worth it. However that other, addendum hike I’d like to do, may have to wait until I buy a helicopter. :|
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Nov 11 2015
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
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FOTGTriplogs 1,052
Hiking11.05 Miles 2,161 AEG
Hiking11.05 Miles
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Just keeping the tradition alive today by completing another nice Veterans Day hike with Chumley. We picked up an extra this year, as Dave joined us. It was a late start because I am a mean coach and made my boys come in and practice on their morning off. Nevertheless, Chumley was able to plan a nearly perfect afternoon hike.

We completed the Pine Mountain-Verde Rim loop. The drive was not too bad, we appreciated what appeared to be a recently graded road. The temps were great and the trails were in excellent condition for the most part. The views from the rim and Pine Mountain were very nice and there was a considerable amount of water at the lower elevations. There were also several nice sections of Fall colors along the lasso-loop. The hike exceeded my expectations, a nice little area. Nothing in that area was really on my radar until today. Now the wheels in my head are turning, as I think of hikes that could incorporate Pine Mountain, Cedar Bench and the western Mazzys all in one shot.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Moderate

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Nov 11 2015
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52 male
 Joined Sep 18 2002
 Tempe, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim, AZ 
Pine Mountain Verde Rim, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Nov 11 2015
chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking11.05 Miles 2,161 AEG
Hiking11.05 Miles   4 Hrs   33 Mns   2.85 mph
2,161 ft AEG      40 Mns Break
 
1st trip
With existing plans dictating a later start and an early finish I lobbied a bit for an actual "fall" hike despite the moderate drive.

Turns out it was a great day. The road was as nice as I've ever seen it. Only the last few miles were a little rough, and those will never change. The rest was nicely graded and smooth despite recent storms. Temps got to the 50s, but by the end of the day, I was happy to have a beanie and gloves, though probably only in the mid 40s it wasn't necessary, just more comfortable.

Only a couple of maples still had some color, but the sycamores flashed some gold, along with ample big green leaves already on the ground. The oaks up here were the ones showing rusty golds most of the day. Great views up top ... the SF Peaks had a very impressive snow pack for November, while the Mazzy ridgeline, 4 peaks and the Supes looked great. Horseshoe lake looks pretty full.

As the responsible party today I acknowledge leading the group astray for an extra 1.1 miles and 22 minutes. My bad!

There were a couple of patches of snow remaining in the most sheltered areas and places where some nasty thorns (perhaps wild rose bushes?) were growing in a few spots along the trail.

There are two apple trees near Nelson spring. I managed to harvest a single green-skinned apple that was tart but good. Earlier in the season this might be a good one!

Glad Dave was able to join us on this special holiday. Special thanks to Lee and the many other Hazzers who have made personal sacrifices to serve our country. :worthy:
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Autumn Foliage Observation Moderate
A few late maples hanging on, but mostly done. Oaks are rusty gold and approaching peak. Sycamores still have some gold but many have fallen. Lots of green leaves of all varieties on the ground already. Big wind last weekend after the snow impacted everything. Cottonwoods in the canyons on the drive in are just getting going. Another week or two for them.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Running clear and clean

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Tank Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
mostly mud but some small puddles
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May 24 2015
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47 male
 Joined Jun 10 2011
 Phoenix, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar May 24 2015
The_DudeTriplogs 364
Hiking9.80 Miles 1,949 AEG
Hiking9.80 Miles   4 Hrs   18 Mns   2.76 mph
1,949 ft AEG      45 Mns Break12 LBS Pack
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Great hike for a long weekend, the drive out is half the fun...we left Phoenix a bit after 6 to make the drive up. Dugas road is something, glad we were riding in Nick's truck with 4 wheel drive when necessary. There were only a few really rough spots, but definitely slow going. Pine Mountain Wilderness is gorgeous! Amazing how you can drive through miles and miles of scrub desert with One Seed Juniper as the largest plants on the horizon, and then you turn a corner and it is all pines and oaks. The hike is very pleasant (I don't think we ever cracked 70 while we were out), we did the CCW loop up to the peak. Nice break up top for lunch. Views east off the Verde Rim are fantastic, pictures do not do it justice. Made it back home about 3:30 to enjoy the rest of the weekend with the family. There are some nice longer loop options out here, we did see a few nice camp sites too. Great wildflower show!
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Wildflowers Observation Substantial
Great wildflower color, many different kinds of flowers blooming. Nothing overwhelming, but lots of nice pockets.
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Mar 17 2015
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67 male
 Joined Jul 28 2004
 Scottsdale, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
Hiking9.80 Miles 1,875 AEG
Hiking9.80 Miles   5 Hrs   40 Mns   2.03 mph
1,875 ft AEG      50 Mns Break
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Hadn’t been up here in a few years. The views from the summit are excellent. Didn’t see anyone all day except at the trailhead. We saw quite a few horses on the drive in and out.
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Jun 08 2013
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 Joined Jan 20 2009
 Far NE Phoenix,
Salt Flat - Verde Rim - Nelson - Loop, AZ 
Salt Flat - Verde Rim - Nelson - Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jun 08 2013
The_EagleTriplogs 2,762
Hiking18.87 Miles 3,955 AEG
Hiking18.87 Miles   10 Hrs   27 Mns   2.25 mph
3,955 ft AEG   2 Hrs   3 Mns Break15 LBS Pack
 
A little over 3 years since I was up around the Pine Mountain Wilderness. I enjoy this area.

Decided to Loop up some trails I had not been on before, and hit the Rim for the views.

Started by trying to find the Salt Flat Trail #71. The TH sign points left to nowhere. We were able to stumble on the steep loose grade about 50 yds up the hill. This climb is not Dog Friendly (or Joe Friendly for that matter). This trail meets up with a little used FR up top of Little Mesa, and takes you past Little Mesa Tanks.

The route we were shooting for, had us following a FR over to FR68 to check out where Dugas Road (FR68) drops off the Rim and makes the 6 mile trip to the Verde River.

The next plan was to try and get down the Cold Water Trail #37 from the South. We'd come in from the North last year and did not hit this portion of the so called trail. Better judgement prevailed and we nixed this 3 mile portion of the hike.

Back to pick up the Verde Rim Trail #161. Here you get some of the best views around for the 7+ miles you are on the this trail. About half way across, we simultaneously spot some sort of snake quickly climbing a tree. We both looked for him in the 12' tree, but could not find him. A few minutes later he was going from tree to tree at lightning speed! We never even got close to a photo of it. This snake was about the diameter of a thumb and about 3' long.

A short side trip up Pine Mountain and we decided to have lunch up top. Gnats and Ladybugs made it less than relaxing. The farther south you get past the Pine Mountain Trail #14, the more obtuse the trail gets.

Now we start picking up some welcome shade on the Nelson Trail #159. With basically all the climbing done for the day, we are on the home stretch.

On the Nelson Trail, closer to the TH, we spent lots of time taking pictures around the old "Nelson Place".

It's quite lush in this area.

I got to experience my first flat on a hike, and the 13 year old spare tire, that was used for the first time, worked admirably. My PFinder now has new rubber around and is ready go 'splorin' some more.

Video Fodder === :next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ39KtQAo0E

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Dry at the intersection with the Nelson Trail

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Filterable water

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Lots of areas to filter here.
There is water that comes out of the ground and follows a small trough.
Ultimately pools into Sycamore Creek. Water in Sycamore appears to be perennial.

dry Willow Spring Dry Dry
Walked around the location in an attempt to find. No sign of a spring and it was dry in the area.
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May 27 2010
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Pine Mountain Short Cut Trail LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar May 27 2010
The_EagleTriplogs 2,762
Hiking13.86 Miles 3,876 AEG
Hiking13.86 Miles   7 Hrs   50 Mns   1.77 mph
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1st trip
From I17 and Happy Valley to Dugas Rd exit, 50mi 40min. From I17 and Dugas Rd exit to TH, 18mi, 60min. All worth it. For Dugas Rd/FR 68 I'd recommend high clearance. I don't think a passenger car would make it safely for the last 5 miles or so. 4x4 was not needed.

This is a highly recommended hike. Ponderosa Pines, Alligator Juniper, Oak Trees, Sycamore Trees, running creeks, birds, Elk etc., etc. you are in and out of all of these during the hike. There is allot of shade from the trees on this hike, but there are also exposed areas. I'd consider the hike moderate for the most part, with a few difficult sections on the climb to Pine Mountain and down into Beehouse Canyon (Steep and Rocky). A GPS with the track is highly recommended because the trail is overgrown or light in spots on the southern section of the Verde Rim Trail and the Shortcut Trail.

There are cairns in most of these sections to help you, as well as 4' long poles laid down on the down slopes for erosion protection. There is deadfall around the loop, but nothing too hard to navigate.

The views on the Rim and on top of Pine Mountain were nothing short of spectacular. Make the short trip to the top of the peak. Snow topped Mt Humphrey's to the North, Four Peaks, Weavers Needle, 5024 and the Flat Iron, Horseshoe Lake to the South and the Bradshaw's to the West.
Video from the Top
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSFb_e2AlA

We saw an Elk cow and 2 babies but were unable to get pictures.
Also many Cottontail Rabbits.

There are many options for camping at the TH or along the trail.
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