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GC - Horseshoe Mesa Loop, AZ 
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Wanted to knock some dust off the boots and venture into the Canyon... in July... with minimal heat acclamation this season. Plan was for two hikes, an easy one on Saturday and the hard one on Sunday, and then spent a ton of time strategizing for the hard one. This was the easy one and, yeah, wished I would have thought more about this one before heading down.

Grandview
There were a few people at the trailhead at 7am, some of whom had already wrapping up their morning hikes, and after a few hundred yards the trail was all mine. Views were great and temps were a bit warm/humid but not concerning. Made slow time down the steep switchbacks, knees haven't enjoyed the time away from trail. A few pause-and-look-around sections along the red wall traverse, though that slide from a few years ago was much cleaner now.

Page Spring
Full sun on this one, and it felt like summer. Trail was fine, maybe a bit steeper/looser than desired in sections, and the tunnels & spring were interesting distractions. Last mile really dragged, as I was realizing just how hot the Tonto was going to be and how tired my legs were getting from all the downhill.

Tonto
Really zoned out here. There was an intermittent cool breeze, and the views were great, but I was already falling behind schedule and the heat was hitting hard. Original (overly optimistic) plan was to be back at the top by noon lol. Made it around to the first ascent back to Horseshoe and, since this was the new section of trail I wanted to hike, started up. Really, really should have been more humble and continued onto Cottonwood.

Horseshoe Mesa
The climb back up to Horseshoe was a solid reality check, with the overhead sun glaring disdainfully down on my sweaty trudge. I struggled to keep my breathing under control, stopping every 20' or so. Some clouds showed up about halfway up and saved my bacon from frying out there. Stumbled over the top and headed quickly for the caves -- realized that this was no longer an easy outing and I needed to get out of the sun fast. Reached an alcove next to 'Domes, spread my map to create a groundsheet, and rested for the next three hours, occasionally slipping into mini naps.

Grandview
With 2 of my original 5 liters remaining, I tried to time my return trip up with the weather. The clouds had gathered to create some great shade, yet the temps were still high and all the rain was far to the west. Slipped out and made quick work of (most) of the redwall, then got caught in the sun just as things start to steepen. Took frequent breaks, stretching out along the trail bed to steal the shade, and, just as I hoped, the temps finally dropped at the first switchback. Made quick work of the final 1.5 miles, finally bumping into other hikers above the Coconino Saddle.

Had really thought this lasso was 10 miles and 3000', but even if it had been, starting at 5am would have been much safer. As it was, this is one of the closest times I've been to heat illness, and a solid reminder that bull-headedness doesn't cover for lack of acclimatization.
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Escalante Route: Tanner to Grandview, AZ 
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This was my 1st of 2 Grand Canyon Backpacking trips for 2024.

Preface
The Escalante Route was my first excursion away from a named "trail" and onto a "route" below the rim. [Although this is nearly a trail at this point]. Initially, we planned for 3 nights at Tanner Beach, Red Canyon, and Horseshoe Mesa, but we ended up pushing from Red Canyon to Grandview TH on Day 3.

Day 1
We were dropped off at Tanner Trailhead at Lipan Point and started down the canyon by 8AM. There were several prickly pear cacti with vibrant pink blossoms all throughout the way to the head of 75 mile canyon. We made it to the top of the Redwall by 11AM and skipped down the Dox Sandstone mounds to Tanner Beach by 2PM. We saw no other hikers the entire day, even at the beach. We watched a few river trips tackle Tanner Rapid. There was a nice sand beach where the main wash met the river. [I recently visited Tanner Beach in April 2025 and noticed none of the sand in the wash remains and the river height was noticeably lower.] It was nearly a full moon throughout the night, but I snagged a few pictures of the sky after the moonset around 3AM.

Day 2
We departed Tanner Beach by 5AM and officially began the Escalante Route with Red Canyon as the target for camp that night. We took a detour to the Anasazi Hilltop Ruins near Cardenas Creek overlooking the Unkar Delta. The shoulder before Escalante Creek is an epic view since you can view the wide Furnace Flats to the east and the narrow canyons to the west. The light scrabble that bypasses a pouroff in Escalante Creek was a nice change of pace. We spent an hour or so watching rafts float by from the relaxing beach after Escalante Creek and before the bench rises up to 75 mile canyon. We made it to the slot canyon portion of 75 mile canyon by 1PM and we enjoyed the narrow walls. My hiking partner was a bit skeptical on the difficulty of the famous Papago Wall, but it was very straightforward. The chute on the descent was actually more difficult due to navigating the loose scree with our packs. We made it to Red Canyon by 5PM and enjoyed the sights and sounds of the mighty Hance Rapid. Another day of not seeing a single hiker. [Unheard of for me being from NJ].

Day 3
The [original] goal for today was to camp atop Horseshoe Mesa. We departed Red Canyon by 5AM and noticed the Desert View Watchtower way up on the South Rim during sunrise. As we were hiking towards the crossing at Hance Creek, we passed a single trail runner (our first contact since Tanner TH). He told us that when the rest of his group passed us, to tell them they are slow and to catch up :lol:. At 9:30AM we stopped and sat behind the large boulder at the creek crossing and found water flowing below the trail crossing. After enjoying the shade, we decided that we could make it to Grandview TH before sunset and not camp that night. We took took the east ascent option up past the mineshaft and mining ruins across from Page (Miners) Spring and made it atop Horeshoe Mesa after checking out the mineshaft by 2:30PM. We checked out the other ruins on the mesa and cruised up Grandview Trail to make it to the TH before sunset. As we watched the sunset, some tourists asked us to take their photo despite our exhaustion ](*,).
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Mar 29 2024
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 Flagstaff, AZ
Old Hance, AZ 
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I was very ready to be back in the canyon after a week hiatus. A friend had the day off work and the weather forecast was good, so we headed out for a day hike with the stipulation that we had to finish at a decent hour so her dog wasn’t alone for too long. The original plan was to descend Old Hance and return to the rim by making a loop around Sinking Ship and passing that saddle on our way up, but we cut this for time.

The top of Old Hance held up to an inch of snow where it had drifted and the ground was frozen in places. This made the footing particularly difficult through the Kaibab and Coconino. Once below the Coc, I headed over to the talus slope through the Supai much higher than I had the previous time. I think even higher may have been better, because we kept getting funneled into the side of the main ravine and traversing very steep slopes to the right rather than just staying on the aspect we wanted.

While traversing one gully I spotted a dropped flashlight. My friend pointed out an abandoned pack on the next ridge. The UV rays and scavengers have really done a number on the pack because it's falling apart although I suspect it was only left around 2017. Not much gear in there, but from what we saw the person didn't look particularly canyon-savvy. Hopefully they made it out! We reported the pack.

Our going finally got faster when we were on the appropriate aspect of our slope. We found bits of trail and a few signs of construction. Near the Redwall rim a good trail led left to the head of the drainage. There are dry falls here and a trail continues (with cairns) around along the Redwall rim on the far side. I don’t know what those cairns were doing – I saw no breaks in that area from below – but my theory about the trail is that it’s a very good game trail because the animals use some large water pockets above the dryfalls then go graze out on the Redwall terrace.

We went through the same Redwall break I used my first time here and it felt easier this time. There is some good construction there, too. In the bed, we slid on our bellies below a rock to a short downclimb then bypassed the taller pouroff below. When we reached Hance’s old camp we decided we were behind schedule for original itinerary and we should bail out on the Grandview Trail, but take our time along the way. We wandered around on the terrace with Hance’s corral and found more traces of use. The spring nearby provided a decent flow and I got water out of a small pool in the bed. As we continued downstream, the redbuds – which had been barely budding near the top of the Redwall – began showing opened flowers.

After a snack in the shade near the names, we started up the trail. I visited Page Spring for the first time, which is actually kind of nice. We continued out of the canyon without incident and didn’t see anyone until the last quarter-mile of trail. It was sunset when we reached the rim and it took a little while to find a hitch back to our car, but I was glad we did because I didn't want to walk 5 miles in the dark on that road.
 
Feb 28 2024
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I met friends at mid-morning and took our time descending New Hance. When we reached the creekbed we hiked up Red Canyon into the Tapeats narrows, which I’d identified as the last really fantastic point worth the effort. It looks like there has been rockfall there recently, so I’ll check my photos from November. The cottonwoods in the narrows had leaf buds.

There were two other groups camped at Hance Rapids; the spring crowds are arriving. We used the same camp I used in the fall, on the salty sand. When we left in the morning, I again scouted the packraft crossing below Hance. It looks calm and saves that scary step around the basalt dike at the head of the rapid. If one misses the takeout (unlikely), they can exit at Asbestos or Hance before hitting any big water.

We reached the bed of Hance Creek around noon and dropped our overnight packs to hike down to Sockdolager. This was the same route I took over Thanksgiving where one hikes down the creek with the standard bypasses then ascends the ravine on creek left just above the river. I prefer this route to returning the same way because I think the bypasses would be harder going the opposite direction. Some of the cottonwoods here are leafing out now. This time the ascent up the ravine felt easier – maybe because of lighter packs, maybe because I picked a route with more solid rock. ONe friend grabbed a prickly pear on the way up and we spent a good ten minutes helping her pick out all the glochids. Later, the other friend whacked a pear too. I thought I was so clever for not grabbing or hitting or kicking any prickly pears, but I found at least three glochids in my legs later.

When we reached the tonto platform, I somehow missed the trail. Sure, I can pick the correct ascent ravine with only a vague memory of it, but I can’t find an entrenched trail! This mistake paid off though when we paused to wait on some rocks, and I found a big potsherd – 2.5 inches square – right in front of me. It was painted red. I don’t recall ever finding one of these on the middle of the tonto platform before! We ended up hiking the last half hour back to camp in the dark, but I don’t mind hiking by headlamp as long as I’m on a trail.

The wind started gusting that night and I didn’t set up my tent, preferring not to worry about it falling over all night long. I think this was a good call, although I was pelted by dust. I spent most of the night with my head under the quilt but still woke up with grit all over my face. There were also mice here, but I strategically placed the rat sacks on the ground near some bushes to lure the buggers away from me.

The next day we made the slog up to Grandview Point. After taking most of February off, the uphills feel harder than they should.
 
Nov 18 2023
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Grandview TrailNorthwest, AZ
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I had time after my excursion into Grapevine so I decided to look for the old upper section of the Grandview trail. I left the new trail at two probable-looking corners but only found lousy game tracks to follow. From my scouting, I decided the old trail must have departed at the switchback right above the Coconino sky island. I wasn't in the mood to sidehill without a decent game trail so I returned via the modern trail.
 
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Myself and a bunch of Grand Canyon Morons were hoping to boogie down to Horseshoe Mesa this weekend. So I went out to scope Grandview yesterday morning...

Whoever broke trail, or whoever followed behind wasn't on trail the entire time so there are one or two spots where i thought to myself "this isn't right" and attempted to reroute the trail myself to avoid cutting a switchback and walking over open air.

Microspikes are definitely required. Trekking Poles would be helpful for most.

I did manage to measure down to the actual trail at one spot. The snow was packed 23 inches above the dirt trail.
Meaning what you're walking on at the top of the trail is almost 2 feet of snow and not the trail itself. (Obviously this won't be true for the entire trail, just the one spot I could get to.)

As snow melts over the next month or so be extra cautious of falling through and be aware of where the solid ground might be beneath you.
Also watch for holes in the cribbing. There are many at the top!

Expect snow down well past the Coconino Saddle. I turned around just before the saddle, it was almost time for work 😝

Overall it's hikeable for experienced Canyon hikers who are comfortable with a snow covered canyon hike.
My group and I are comfortable and experienced but chose to move to lower elevation for our excursion and you'll find us out in the Marble Canyon area this weekend photographing mines and scaling cliff faces. Whoo!

If you are not familiar with this trail I'd recommend waiting until the snow melts a little more.

...wear traction devices on your shoes if you go...
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Was hoping to explore around Sockdolager but conditions didn't allow it. I broke trail down Grandview nearly to the top of the coconino. While the snow was not noticably shallower 600ft down, I was concerned about the coconino slabby sections, and I knew I wouldn't have time left to explore below tonto. I also didn't want to plow uphill through more waist-deep snow than I had to. On my hike back up I met a ranger headed down to the mesa... he bailed shortly after my tracks ended and we met again in the parking lot. My socks and gaitors were covered in snowballs and I was a little cold despite the sun and uphill exertion.

Trail conditions: 2ft minumum postholes but often over 3ft. Snow has drifted. Still very powdery. I was able to make out the trail but there are several narrow sections that aren't intuitive if one doesn't know the trail. GPS is not sufficient. I used my poles to probe for cornices. There was no apparent trail damage where I hiked. Trail probably won't be broken through the coconino for a while and I apologize to anyone who starts down assuming they can follow tracks to the mesa :lol:
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Made a trip out to Grapevine to scout the redwall route that Harvey describes. Overall, a very enjoyable trip! In addition to the beaten path we visited the river via old grandview and the narrows below the tonto crossing.

Day 1: we got a cold and early start down Grandview. There is snow and ice to the coconino already. At horseshoe mesa we encountered a large group also heading to Grapevine - that surprised me. We were quite far ahead of them when we reached the old grandview cairn and dropped our heavy packs.

The lower section of grandview is in great shape for being so obscure! It's well cairned and follows a very natural break through the tapeats. It seemed illogical to go over the first saddle in the basement rocks but it was clearly indicated. Down here we had a great view upriver and at the pouroffs in Cottonwood. We saw rafts floating all in a line down the river - reminded me of ducklings. The trail braids a bit before crossing a ridge and heading down a narrow chute. I wouldn't have gone here without indication - it looks so improbable. Then over another small saddle and down a long ravine to the river. Some loose footing but nowhere that feels like you're about to fall over a cliff. We had a short break at the river and the return hike was faster than the way down. On the way up I bonked my head on an overhanging branch... guess I shouldn't wear baseball caps in places like this (it isn't the first time). I'm fine, though!

We hiked the rest of the way in to the camps on the eastern arm of Grapevine. Turns out the big group are high schoolers on a school trip doing a big section of Tonto. At camp we had mice coming under the vestibule (we were snacking in the tent). This was not pleasant but stopped (I think) after we hung the food. A bit surprising as I thought this was an unpopular camp.

Day 2: we had a leisurely morning before starting up Grapevine. The tapeats narrows are beautiful! We could follow the creek for almost a mile before a chockstone and some falls forced us out of the bed. It's easy to find the exit. We were able to drop back in and easily follow the creek for a while in the shale too. We found some stone structures around here... 2 circles about knee-high and maybe 10ft in diameter. Not sure what they're from.

The cottonwoods were turning in the creek and beautiful. But the going got very slow when we encountered Grapevine's namesake. We stuck to low game trails which weren't great. Around here we found a dead ram with big horns. The creekbed clears up again near the redwall. Below the fall we easily located the redwall route on the east side. We ascended a boulder field to the amphitheater then circled around to our approach. I scrambled high enough to look over the fall - maybe 1/3 of the way up. But I'd left my pack below and wasn't in the mood to scramble all the way up then back down without a spotter. On the way down I took a wrong turn and ended up downclimbing while straddling an agave. Not my happiest moment. There was a bit of a game trail on the talus here and the scrambling was probably class 3 so I definitely want to return and connect to the trail above.

On our hike back down we followed a ridge west of the creek to avoid the grapevine tangles and other vegetation. Game trails and footing were much better here. Back at camp, we explored the tapeats narrows below Tonto. My friend climbed up the pouroff into the west arm of grapevine but I'm not much of a climber and I couldn't get up.

Day 3: another relatively late start. Clouds started rolling in and making pretty light when we were in Cottonwood. As we ascended we watched snow start to fall below the north rim. We got flurries then were briefly enveloped in gentle snow above the coconino. On the rim I watched the clouds part to the west. There was a little bit of a cloud inversion, which I've been wanting to see in the canyon for ages. What a gorgeous finale to the weekend.
 
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I had the clever idea to leave the trail near the head of Grapevine and countour around the Supai into the redwall above Cottonwood. Ha! Looking at Harvey's (multiple) lines after seeing this up close, he's crazy!

I'd considered dropping into Grapevine where the trail crosses the ravine but that looked ridiculous once I was there. I started by heading north along the ridge after the first saddle.There is some clear use here and the scrambling was even a little fun (moreso on the way up). I tried a few lines down the slope into the ravine but there was a thick layer of loose dirt and even some slabs were sliding. Other reports had mentioned cairns here but I must not have had the right line. It certainly looked doable, but I didn't relish the idea of an unstoppable slide, especially when alone. I think I may attempt hiking up this way instead someday.

I ended up hiking to the base of the switchbacks on Grandview then back up for a nice workout. I met some other canyon-obsessed backpackers on their ways out, so that was cool!
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Mosey-backpack down Grandview (many new rockfalls to navigate due to unrepaired 2021 slides) to Horseshoe Mesa - Cottonwood Creek (Flash last year has OBLITERATED most/all of the lower camps and parts of the trail below the spring) - (Grapevine and Miner's Route to the River from along the Tonto - dayhike) - Hance Creek - Horseshoe Mesa. Mostly a bit toastier than I had hoped but got my comeuppance as from the Mesa to the Rim I got rained on, then hailed on, then winds to beat the band.
An actual TORNADO on my way down to Williams in Junipine. Humphrey's got snow down about 1000-2000 feet.
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Slim-pickens. Dug hole in the sand, about 15 min. to fill. Spring on the Tonto, halfway back the east arm IS flowing though.

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Spring has physically changed as most know, but is still reliable, likely gallon-a-minute.
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The top 500 feet of this Trail is ridiculously congested with picture takers, but beyond that there is no one! It is almost a little creepy going from hundreds of people to none, but only in a good way when it comes to solitude on the trail! :)

I was with my kids, so as usual it was not an early start. :( Thus, we didn't go down far at all, but it was nice to try a trail I haven't been on before. We loved the views! Given that the trail is rather exposed, there is nothing in the way of the view!

Last time I went on the Tanner trail, the camp host at the desert view Campground told me that the Tanner trail was absolutely horrible, and that I should go to the Grandview trail instead. I have to say that I disagree. I think the Tanner trail is in much better shape than Grandview. Grandview looks like it has experienced a lot of erosion over time, there are literally holes in the trail that have washed away, and areas where the trail is almost gone. The trail is very narrow in some points for this reason. This combined with the exposure can make it a bit treacherous. I never felt that way on the Tanner trail at all. I guess on Tanner you have to climb over a bunch of rocks here and there, but the exposure is much less near the top of the canyon anyway. I know Grandview is a popular backpacking trail, but I personally would make sure my pack was very small, light, and manageable in order to feel safe on this trail!

The paved cobblestone areas of the trail are neat. The maintained trail must have been a sight to see.

We continued down only a mile before turning around due to heat and disgruntled hikers (sadly, my kids don't love hiking). I would like to come back and do the loop halfway down. Another day!! We loved the spectacular views on this trail!
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Caught some cool weather and went down from Grandview to explore lower Grapevine creek and visit the Grapevine beach camp. Grapevine creek was gorgeous - flowing water, green vegetation, and so many tadpoles. The ravine I scrambled over to access the beach was challenging with an overnight pack. Lots of loose talus, some big chockstones, and thorny plants. It was a windy night so of course, sand all over my gear for the rest of the trip. Best sunset I've ever seen from the river, though!

On my way out on day 2 I explored up the eastern arm of Grapevine until reaching the top of the tapeats. Looks fairly well traveled there. Water at the Grapevine/ Tonto crossing was shallow and green, I preferred the water about 20 mins above/ below. This day was hot so I hustled over to Cottonwood without my planned detour on lower Old Grandview to rest in the shade. Here, I nearly couldn't sleep for the frogs. Then it was an early hike out the next morning, and good thing because food poisoning laid me low as soon as I got home.

I saw so many critters on this trip - tadpoles, bats, and birds, and my first rattler and tarantula hawk (very glad I saw the latter two before walking into them)! And I saw condors every day - it seems there's a pair + mature offspring hanging around Grandview point.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Cottonwood Creek Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Grapevine 3,648 Dripping Dripping

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Grapevine Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Better water above and below Tonto crossing area
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Mar 19 2022
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 Gilbert, AZ
New Hance to Grandview, AZ 
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Hiking avatar Mar 19 2022
ddgrunningTriplogs 604
Hiking24.78 Miles 5,689 AEG
Hiking24.78 Miles   13 Hrs   7 Mns   2.42 mph
5,689 ft AEG   2 Hrs   53 Mns Break
 
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I have eyed this loop for some time, and in my mind labeled it a "varsity-level" version of the South Kaibab-Bright Angel loop. What a great trip.

Drove up to Tusayan late Friday afternoon, after picking up my hiking partner in Prescott Valley. The only snag was that there was an accident on I-40, and literally as soon as we merged onto the freeway, it became a parking lot. At one point, the maps app on my phone was saying that the fastest way to get to the point 8 miles east on I-40, was to go back to Prescott, circle over and up I-17 and the drive back on I-40--4.5 hours. Oy!

Luckily, the traffic jam didn't last too long and we made it to our hotel in Tusayan, albeit a bit later than planned.

A short night had us up at 4:30 a.m. Not having hiked New Hance before, I had read that the trail can be particularly indistinct and I didn't want to risk navigating in the dark. So, the plan was to hit the trailhead around 6 am--shortly before sunrise, but with plenty of light. Left the hotel shortly after 5 a.m.

We drove to the Grandview trailhead and then mounted our bikes for the 5.5 mile ride over to the New Hance TH. It was 23 degrees at 5:30 a.m. when we began pedaling under the full moon. Although the ambient temps were cold, the air was still (no wind), so it wasn't bad at all. Luckily, the road from Grandview to New Hance is mostly downhill :D . Locked the bikes up in the woods and shed some layers, then headed to the rim.

I had tried to call the backcountry office for intelligence on the trail conditions (ice/snow), but it's pretty tough to get through there (or maybe I just have bad luck). I emailed as well, but got no response. I knew it hadn't snowed in a couple of weeks, so I figured the trails wouldn't be too bad, but we brought the microspikes just in case. Only need them for about 1/4 mile at the top of New Hance going down.

We arrived at the rim on New Hance just as the sun was reflecting back from the tops of the east-facing walls of the canyon--a gorgeous view, along with Coronado Butte on full display, with Vishnu Temple staring back from the north side of the Canyon.

The trail turned out to be no problem to follow, though I suppose it might be more challenging to navigate going uphill.

Didn't see a soul until about 2.5 miles in, when we crossed paths with a group who was on day 5 of their backpacking trip, starting from Lipan Point and the Tanner Trail.

Shortly thereafter, we came across another couple who was purportedly hiking out. They were there with a ranger and said they were "about done." I wasn't sure how to interpret that, but based on the ranger's demeanor, she seemed to think they needed more of a kick in the pants, rather than a helicopter.

The ranger asked to see our permits. When we explained that we were just day hiking, and told her our planned route, she wished us well and told us we better get going b/c we had a long day ahead.

Indeed, we had admittedly been lollygagging, taking lots of photos and enjoying the views on the way down. We promised to pick up the pace once we got on the Tonto.

Red Canyon is quite striking. Enjoyed the vivid walls as we made our way to the river. There was actually some water running in Red Canyon.

Hit Hance Rapids after about 3.5 hours, and had the place to ourselves. Some great camping spots on the sandy bluff above the river.

We filtered a liter of water from the river, which was running green, just in case, as our next opportunity would presumably at Hance Creek.

The Tonto was as expected. There is a section where we wandered through a large boulder garden, with the boulders eroded in really strange and cool shapes. On rock had a large, eroded overhang with a tongue sticking out underneath, as if custom made for a shaded seat.

As we wound around Ayer Point and up the Hance Creek drainage, we overtook another group that had begun at Tanner and was making their way several days later to Hance Creek for the night, before exiting the Canyon on our planned route.

We eventually hit Hance Creek, where we filtered another liter and pulled off the shoes and socks to give the feet a bit of a breather.

After a rest, we headed up towards Page Spring, where the climbing begins in earnest. The trail up is steep and rocky. At the turn off for Page Spring, I half-wanted to wander over to see what remained after the roof collapsed a couple of years ago, but my hiking partner wasn't interested and I was happy to conserve the energy as well.

We took breaks at the two major mine entrances and checked them out.

Once on the Mesa, we took the short side trip to Pete Berry's cabin remains. Then from there, the work resumed in earnest to climb out. The traverse along the Cottonwood Creek drainage had several washouts that made navigation a little more taxing. Then, once we reached the cobblestone stairclimbers, we were happy to have our microspokes, and wore them the last couple of miles to the top.

Watching the sunset light up the west-facing walls of the Canyon was a nice bookend to the day. From the top part of Grandview, we could look down and see the Colorado winding its way well off in the distance towards Tanner rapids.

Arrived at the Grandview TH around 6:15 pm, tired but very satisfied.

A quick drive to New Hance to retrieve the bikes, then it was on towards home. Arrived back in the valley a little after 11 pm, happy to have logged another great adventure in this natural wonder of the world!
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Feb 28 2022
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Grandview TrailNorthwest, AZ
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DixieFlyerTriplogs 1,374
Hiking12.30 Miles 4,148 AEG
Hiking12.30 Miles   7 Hrs   20 Mns   1.84 mph
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I decided to do a lasso loop that went down the Grandview Trail to Horseshoe Mesa, and then did a CW loop down to the Tonto Trail and back up to the mesa.

I started the hike at sunrise and the temps were in the low 30's. I wore microspikes for the first 2 miles, and I was glad that I had them.

I have done this hike 2-3 times before, and I always enjoy it. I did not see anyone else until about 1.5 miles from the TH on the way back up. It was really quiet down in the canyon.

There is great scenery on this hike, and it is nice to get away from the crowds on the corridor trails.

Route Scout seems a little overzealous in the AEG figure, so I will take a look at it when I get back home. I was expecting around 4,100 feet of gain. EDIT: I lopped off 400 from the AEG that RouteScout recorded, which seems like a more accurate figure
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Feb 17 2022
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Grandview Trail Loop, AZ 
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Hiking12.08 Miles 4,309 AEG
Hiking12.08 Miles   5 Hrs   43 Mns   2.23 mph
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On the East Rim drive & this route, slipping & sliding!
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Nov 25 2021
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Tanner to Grandview - GCNP, AZ 
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Backpack32.33 Miles 9,089 AEG
Backpack32.33 Miles   19 Hrs   39 Mns   1.92 mph
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Nov 14 2021
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 Gilbert, AZ
Grandview - Tonto - New Hance, AZ 
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Hiking28.73 Miles 6,094 AEG
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Been a few months since an adventure, so decided to ease back into things. This wasn't a good way to do that.

Road Walk
Parked at the fire road by New Hance Trail and headed west on 64 a bit after 3AM. Was heckin' cold, and my chattering teeth woke up several herds of elk along the road, and their bugles, grunts, clattering, and smells wafted through the dark forest, keeping me company on the otherwise-lonely connection. Reached Grandview ahead of schedule and took a little celebratory break.

Grandview Trail
Eastern horizon was just starting to lighten at the start, and I needed two lights to navigate the crazy twists and turns down. Loved this trail. A few washouts on the Supai layer that were tricky to work around in the dark, nothing worth getting too worried about. Reached Horseshoe Mesa before the sunrise and checked out a few of the remains. Cool area, already thinking about returning with a kid or two and wasting a few hours poking around up here.

Cottonwood Connector
Unsure of the exact name, but it had a sign and is on the map and was well-defined, so here it is. Crumbly thing, no washouts, and was pretty easy to track the whole way down. As expected, once it hits Cottonwood Creek the path disappears and one just follows the creek, which was dry until the spring.

Tonto Trail
Really enjoyed this, circling all the way around Horseshoe Mesa. Well-defined, easy walking, and starting bumping into a few backpackers who were starting to get moving. Watered up at Hance Creek to full capacity (4L), which would not be enough, and I kinda knew it would not be enough... more on that later. Rest of Tonto dragged, even though there were interesting sights along the way, and I was pretty happy to reach Red Canyon and the Big Muddy around noon. Took a nice lunch break under a mesquite tree and pretended that the rest of the hike was gonna be a quick climb with the 2L of water I had remaining.

New Hance Trail
Slogging up the rocky Red Canyon was tough. Did bump into the infamous @bifrost / @slowandsteady duo, was great to see them in person even if I was feeling light-headed and fatigued. Heard a rumor there was a spring beyond where the trail picks up, so I stuck in the canyon a short distance further, turned around too early, got stuck in a drainage... I was making stupid decisions. Eventually got back on trail and practically crawled uphill, sipping water every 30m or so. Struggle bus was strong. What I assumed would be a 3 hour hike up New Hance turned into a 7+ hour death march. Trail was fine, really in great shape, with a few level sections to alleviate the grind, the problem was all me. Finished the last 20 minutes by headlamp and dragged my cramping body back to the parked car.

I would highly recommend doing this loop in reverse. Everything makes sense for a CCW loop, especially the water situation.
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Cottonwood Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Okay flow near Tonto. Better flow upstream closer to the marked spring.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Hance Creek Light flow Light flow
Good flow, plenty of pools to pull from near Tonto.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Hance Rapids Medium flow Medium flow
Colorado was running chocolate-brown.

dry Mineral Canyon Dry Dry

dry Red Canyon Dry Dry
Dry along length of New Hance Trail. There is a spring upstream of trail's bank departure, looks promising, did not verify amount.
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