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I headed back to the Grand Canyon with my friend Spencer for an engaging summit and what felt like an ambitious itinerary at times. Our objective was Fan Island, a domineering summit, but a summit few will ever pick out of the skyline. We got a late afternoon start Saturday. We took the South Bass Trail to the river and then crossed over to the North side, where we would start our approach for Fan Island the next day.

We began the approach for Fan Island at 7:00 a.m., perhaps a little late in the morning by Canyon standards, but truthfully I think we were underestimating the summit. It was beautiful hiking to Shinumo Creek and there was even a prehistoric site along the way. This was my first time on the north side of the river here and my first time on the North Bass Trail. I was impressed by the robust Shinumo Creek and the generally stunning surroundings. From Shinumo Creek, we turned left into Burro Canyon and then took a steep slope up to the steep ridge that takes you to Fan Island. We were surprised to encounter a decent use trail and cairns for nice sections of our approach, however, it was still a bit of a slog. In particular, the final traverse over to the middle base area of Fan's south face.

It took a little route finding at times and some tentative scrambling and climbing before we knew we were definitely on the right route. Each little climbing obstacle we encountered gave us some slight trepidation for the eventual downclimb. Our angst was increased by the fact that we quickly realized the rope we brought was not going to be long enough to rap some of the toughest parts. Nevertheless, we continued upwards until reaching the final "pitch" to the top. I say pitch because several have soloed this section, but we had three cams and rope and it didn't make sense to not use it, so we pitched it out and I came up on belay. From the webbing at the top of the final climb, it was straightforward walking to the summit. The summit register was full of entries referencing the "pucker" factor and the upcoming downclimbs, so it felt good to know our nerves were not unwarranted.

Due to the length of our rope, we had to make three raps, all off natural anchors. We rapped the final climb from webbing around a tree, then rapped the second committing climb from a bush, backed up with a number one cam. Spencer felt good about the bush and pulled the cam for his rap. Our second rap involved slinging a sticky piece of limestone. I would recommend a .5, .75, #1, a 60m light rope and 10 feet of webbing for this summit. After getting off the main summit block the descent went pretty straightforward. However, the day and went on far longer than we had expected and we did not get back to camp until after 3:00 p.m. We quickly packed, aired up our rafts and crossed back over to the southside.

We did not break any speed records on the way out and finished with headlamps late into the night.

This was a terrific summit and a nice little test piece for me, considering my long absence from the Canyon. I would rate this summit difficult. Spooky was the word of the day, as we described out ascent. This was my 9th summit with Spencer and 61st summit overall.

dry Burro Canyon Dry Dry

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Upper Shinumo, AZ 
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Bit of a bust, as far as a couple nights in the canyon with no serious troubles can possibly be. My brother came along for the trip, and I wasn't entirely sure what his off-trail hiking skills are like, so I decided it would probably be best to start down North Bass and camp around the Shinumo/Flint confluence. No issues that first day, got to the area around 3:30pm and found a nice flat sandy area next to a couple of cottonwoods. We discussed the possibility of doing a loop and heading up to the Abyss Cave area for night 2, and then up Lancelot Point, but he really didn't like the bushwacking between White Creek and Flint Creek, and thought doing it without a pack would be more fun...So we decided that night that we'd day hike as far up Shinumo as we can, and go back the same way. Scouted out the bypass (which I wouldn't have known about if it weren't for some helpful info from @shelby147), which looked sketchier than anticipated, but still doable.

Sunday morning, headed out - we went straight up the wall right at the confluence of the creeks, which I would describe as technically easy, but exposed. I was more or less OK going up, but decided I would not like to go down that way. I had thought the gully 100 feet or so further up Shinumo looked better, and the cairns at the top seem to confirm that. The rest of the bypass was straightforward and well-cairned.

I was really enjoying the Tapeats narrows, but about 1.5 miles in, my brother complained about knee pain, and decided to return to camp. As we only had one satellite comm device, I told him I'd go with him (might have been more willing to let him go alone if there weren't the opportunity for a fall at the end - plus he's pretty bad with directions). We settled on climbing up to the Tapeats rim via a very clear break above us, and checking out the way over to Flint Creek. The views up there were phenomenal, but the traversing took way more effort than I expected.

Eventually we found the cairn @shelby147 mentioned in her triplog, went half way down, but I for the life of me couldn't figure out the rest of it. Saw a way I might be able to get a little further down, but I didn't trust it. So we went back up and decided to go a little further, and the next drainage was an easy walk down. Once back below the cairn, it was easier to see how it worked. That's why I usually prefer climbing up over climbing down... The rest of the way down Flint Creek was pleasant, and there was even a set of human footprints!

We had discussed possibilities for the third night on the itinerary, but we ended up just powering through and hiking the whole way out the third day. Significantly warmer that day, but we managed to do the hike out in just about 30 minutes longer than it took to hike in.

Definitely didn't get to see as much as I had hoped this trip, but I did come out of it with some good recon, and that'll definitely make me feel more confident heading into that area again next time.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Flint Creek Light flow Light flow
Mostly dry at confluence, but a few areas with light flow further up.

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Upper (Supai): Flow from the spring down to maybe 0.5 miles downstream from where the trail comes in. Consistent light flow in the Redwall narrows, down to maybe a half mile south of the narrows (furthest I've seen it). Tapeats narrows has intermittent flow.
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We got a permit for the North Bass Trail. I have been wanting to hike this for years. I finally talked my hiking partner Scott into going. We originally had planned on fours days in the canyon but a snow storm was heading our way and I had a tire issue. We made it down to Shinumo creek on day one. The posts prior to mine are very accurate on the trail description. I recommend taking the Tonto Plateau down and the narrows up. We originally were going to spent day 2 exploring and hike out days 3 and 4. After readjusting our plans several times we decided to head back and camp above the Redwall traverse. We got there and decided to hike out and camp at the car. Towards the top it got really windy and cold. A storm was on its way. The hike out kicked our butts but I was impressed we hiked all the way out in a day. We were able to drive out before the storm hit and I got my tire changed in St George. A great trip even though it was cut short. Next time I want to explore down to the river.
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Quick weekend trip to the North Rim; I'd wanted to check out the Powell Plateau for awhile, so I decided to head to Dutton Point. 20% chance of t-storms in the forecast was the biggest concern, and it was a little ominous early, but the weather held up and the clouds actually made it more pleasant. Very gusty on Mauv Saddle.

The trail is pretty easy to follow the first 3-4 miles, then it fades, but it's still easy going on the "off trail" part. The biggest obstacles were Dutton Canyon, where a social trail could be followed, and the last 50 yards or so through the manzanita thicket. Quick stop to enjoy the view, then headed back the way I came. Thought it would take almost 5 hours, but did the round trip in under 4.

Would like to go back and explore the west side of the plateau.
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North Bass TrailNorthwest, AZ
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Second ultra Grand Canyon dayhike of the season, this one on the North Bass Trail. Weather was near perfect, except no clouds for shade/photos. Only saw a group of 2 guys all day - no one even at the river. With all the vegetation and creek crossings it was slower hiking than I had planned, and then I took over 250 images. So, a longer day in the canyon than I had hoped for, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. ; ) .

I took the direct route to the river, utilizing the Tonto Bypass. After lunch at the river, came around and up lower Shinumo. Then opting for the lower White Canyon narrows on the way up. Chose to forgo the planned out-and-back of upper Shinumo as I wasn't moving as fast as expected. See pic of map for route taken.
(29.87Miles/ 7,324' AEG. 16:13 Total Time, 12:22 Moving, 3:51 Stopped)

That's it for my training for, and completion of, these two Grand Canyon ultra dayhikes. Back to photographing for my Digital Landscape Portfolio - still many places on the shoot list. So, probably won't be posting much on here, but will continue to follow you all - Happy Trails!
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North Bass TrailNorthwest, AZ
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My GPS route tallied 19,000aeg, which might explain why this was such an exhausting backpack! :sweat: I'm gonna do some quick estimations to bring that down to something closer to reality!

John and I made an attempt at this one a few years ago, but tornado and flash flood warnings made us revise the plan to a day hike and avoid camping under that kind of threat. Things finally aligned to put it on the calendar again, and I secured the permits sometime this summer.

We got the permit to camp at Swamp Point the night before, which made for a comfortable evening and no rush in the morning to drive in from the NF. The creek was more overgrown than I remembered, which may or may not mean it was more overgrown than it actually was. But there's definitely a difference in carrying an overnight pack versus a daypack.

The day was long and slow. There was less water and it would have been nice had I known/remembered exactly where I would be able to find it since I was expecting more and finished what I had carried in pretty early on.

The trip through the White narrows is a pleasure, but much slower with a full pack, and I'd maybe consider skipping this in the future and opt for a day hike from camp to check this out instead.

Finally we arrived at camp, though it took an hour or two longer than I had expected, and the mileage was strangely about two miles high as well. Needless to say, we were all very happy to set up our tents and spend some quality time on our butts!

Saturday we headed down Shinumo Creek to the river. Of course we were stopped just short due to a small waterfall. There's an overland route to the beach, though it climbs quite a bit to get there. We had the beach to ourselves and the weather was fine so we took the opportunity to get in the always-refreshing Colorado river swim. After some sweaty days on the trail, there's really nothing quite as exhilarating as getting into the river.

Just as we had set out on the climb back up, we spotted a rafting party headed our way, so we returned to the beach to be social for a few minutes. One of the passengers was most interested in knowing the result of the World Series, and was happy I could provide the answer. After I gave them the latest weather forecast, we continued on our original plan with 9L, Karl, and Kathy heading upstream to the South Bass crossing while I headed back to camp before exploring farther up Shinumo Creek.

Sunday morning we got an earlier start, knowing it was a long way to exit the canyon. This, too, turned out to be a longer and harder day than we were planning on ... even having done the same trail just a day earlier. There's just so much of this one that is less trail and more route. A lot of uneven footing and bushwhacking really takes its toll after a while and while the temperature was pleasant, the sun was warm and draining. Ultimately, however, we all conquered the beast and arrived at the trailhead in time for a snack and beverage.

We opted to drive off the plateau and seek out some warmer temperatures for another night at camp, which was a good choice and postponed for a night the long drive home after a big day climbing out of the canyon.

As far as backpacking goes, I think this is the most difficult exit I've done. It could be broken up, but I'm not so sure that's worth it either!

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12.77mi, ~500ft, 7:08

Saturday to River:
9.34, ~1500ft, 5:28

Saturday up Shinumo:
3.6, ~500ft, 2:17

Sunday out:
12.2, ~6000, 8:01
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North Bass TrailNorthwest, AZ
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Backpack trip into North Bass from Swamp Point. We met John and Chumley at the trailhead the night before and car camped. Next morning we started down North Bass with quick stop at the cabin in Muav Saddle. From there it’s the descent to Whites Canyon down some switchbacks which were in good shape and nice trail. Unfortunately, it didn’t last and the trail drops into and follows the canyon. The canyon was brushy and mostly boulder hopping until it reaches top of the redwall. I always enjoy redwall breaks and this one was very cool but steep. The route runs along a narrow ledge wedged between redwall above and the canyon bottom several hundred feet below. Eventually we made the canyon bottom and took a break.

From there it’s more boulder hopping following the canyon bottom until we reached a chock stone and narrows. We took our time on the narrows and dropped packs to checkout some off shoots in the narrows. It was also the best water we had seen along the way so filtered a few liters. Continuing down canyon we opted to not take the bypass and instead stay in the canyon. It was slower going especially with backpacks but well worth the effort to see this section. Eventually Whites Canyon exists at the confluence with Shinumo Creek where we camped. Temps were pleasant for this great campsite on Shinumo Creek our camp for two nights.

Next day we all ventured down Shinumo Creek with the goal of getting to the Colorado. First, we checked out Shinumo Creek to the falls which is just before the Colorado. We could actually see the river but the falls prevents access without ropes. After checking out the falls we took the bypass over to the Colorado and dropped down to very nice beach at the base of the bypass. Took a lunch break here and took a dip in the river. As we were leaving a boat crew showed up so we talked to them for a few minutes before heading for other beaches on the river. Chumley headed back because he wanted to check out Shinumo Creek upstream of our camp but the rest of us continued to the other beaches on the Colorado. I personally wanted to see the beaches across from South Bass just to make that connection since we have been on the other side several times. We checked out total of 3 beaches before heading back to camp. We took the bigger bypass back to Shinumo Creek which was about 500 foot climb but good trail. Back at camp we had another relaxing night to chill before next days climb out.

Next morning the hard work began but we did take the bypass on the way out and have decent trail for the start. Eventually the bypass drops back down to Whites Canyon and the rock hopping ensues. This is a long stretch in the canyon especially with a backpack but eventually we reached the bottom of the redwall and took a snack break to fuel up for the climb. Redwall break is very steep but still fun considering the effort and took another break at the top. From there we dropped back into Whites Canyon hiking up to the base of the final climb. The final climb out is long but it’s at least on trail so we were done with boulder hopping. Still everyone was pretty spent from the exit climb out of the canyon. We all enjoyed a beverage and some snacks at the car before heading for a car camp spot.

Overall North Bass was the toughest hike out of the canyon so far. I think it was mostly because the trail is more of a route in many spots especially when it follows the canyon bottom. I’ll echo what John mentioned and that it would be better to have an extra day for exit to break up the hike. Next time :D

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After six years, we finally returned to North Bass and completed the route. Chumley and I went here in September 2014, with a planned 3 day backpacking trip, but had to alter our trip to a day hike due to heavy rain in the forecast. We said we would return and it finally happened.

October 29 – Thursday
We left Phoenix around 10am and made the drive to the north rim. We did a short hike off the Kaibab Plateau and then headed to Swamp Point. The road is in good condition with a few rutted sections and a bit rocky by Swamp Point. You’re good with high clearance when it’s dry. We would camp a short walk from the trailhead in a nice area with outstanding views of the canyon. Also, Karl & Kathy met us at camp and would be joining us for the backpack.

October 30 – Friday
The morning started slow as we waited for the sun to rise and then packed up our gear. Once we were ready, we made the very short drive to the trailhead and started hiking. We made quick work of the first section as you drop to the Muav Saddle where we checked out the cabin. It’s in great condition and you can sleep inside if you choose. From there we continued down as the trail hooks and then switchbacks down to White’s Creek. The trail is steep and loose in spots but easy to follow.

After we arrived in White’s Creek you basically follow the creek bed down. It’s slow going as you rock hop and work your way down canyon. Some sections are heavily overgrown but you just push through the brush and follow your general heading. We eventually hit the traverse along the Supai and then made the steep and loose descent through the Redwall. You have to be very careful with your footing as you descend. With some work we got back to the White’s Creek and then took a break. After our break we continued down and found good water in the creek bed. From there we continued down as we worked our way to the narrows. The narrows start with the chock stone and a drop to the creek bottom. We took our time in the narrows & made a short side trip into Redwall Canyon. There are a few easy scrambles until a 12 foot dry waterfall. It’s doable but we decided to turn around here. From there we continued the last mile or so to Shinumo Creek where we selected the prime campsite at the confluence. We set up camp and then settled in for the evening. The hike in took a toll on us & we were glad to be done for the day.

October 31 – Saturday
We took our time as we started our day with coffee & breakfast. Our plan is to day hike to the river as a lasso loop. We would leave camp and head down Shinumo Creek. The going is relatively easy as we crossed back & forth along the creek. Most of us walked right through the water which was chilly & moving fast. Careful footing was important. We passed the bypass trail and kept heading down canyon. We then hit the old camp area where we found an old foundation and other signs of occupation from the Bass days. And just below this we checked out all the old mining relics which were really cool to see. After we had our fill we continued down creek. The going was a little more challenging because the vegetation was dense and the social trails are not as defined as up canyon. With some effort we arrived at Shinumo Falls. The falls are great but it’s hard to get a good look because the canyon is very tight. There’s no way down so we backtracked to the exit route that leads to the Colorado River.

We arrived at an amazing beach site at the bottom of the bypass trail. It was a beautiful day and we settled in to enjoy lunch and the Colorado River. We would hang out for a solid hour and we discussed our options. I wanted to go to the far beach at the bottom of South Bass but I also wanted to hike up Shinumo Creek from camp. Judging by the time, I could only do one so I decided to head to Bass Rapid. Karl & Kathy would join me while Chumley headed back to camp to hike up Shinumo Creek. The going was relatively easy as we followed a defined trail. We arrived at the far beach site and took a variety of pics. We then stopped at another beach on the way back. From there, we returned to camp and arrived there around 4:30pm. Chumley would return from the top portion of Shinumo and we all settled in for another night.

November 1 - Sunday
We had a big hike to get back to the rim so we started relatively early around 7:30am. We hiked down Shinumo Creek the half mile to the bypass trail and we were able to keep our feet dry. Once we hit the trail it was a slow grind up hill and back into White’s Creek. We took our time and took breaks as needed. Next up was the Redwall which was another grind but went well. The next couple of miles were fairly straightforward as you hike up the creek and take a short bypass when necessary. We found some water we missed on the hike in and topped off there. We continued on and arrived at the benchmark that starts the big climb back. At this point, it was everyone for themselves. The climb up was long and challenging as shade is limited and you need to watch your footing. With much effort I topped out and was physically spent. I would rehydrate and eat. The other arrived up top a few minutes later. We took our time packing up and would head to House Rock Road near Wire Pass to car camp another night and then returned to Phoenix on Monday.

Final Thoughts
This was a hell of a trip and was a lot harder than I remember from our 2014 trip. Carrying a heavy pack made a big difference. North Bass is one of the more challenging routes into the Canyon. I want to say it was harder than Nankoweap but it’s been 7 years since I’ve done that & my memory is hazy. I definitely recommend North Bass but not until you have several backpacking trips completed below the rim. The scenery and history is fantastic but it’s very hard going. Be prepared for a challenge and you’ll enjoy this hike. Also, I wish we had at least one more day down there. It would have helped to break up the hike out into two days. Thanks Chumley for driving!
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Was originally going to do this Memorial Day weekend, but had to reschedule due to Covid closures. Probably a good thing; October is prime time for North Bass. The plan was to hike down to Shinumo Creek via the lower White Canyon detour, camp there two nights, and hike around Shinumo Creek in the interim, before hiking up to Mauv Saddle for a 3rd night and short hike back to the car.

Friday

Things got to a rocky start when I (probably) strained a muscle in my lower back positioning my pack in my Jeep. Then we wasted about 20 minutes trusting google for directions to the TH; when I realized it was wrong, there was no coverage, so I had to rely on faint years-old recollections to finish the job. But we got there.

Made pretty good time down to the bottom of the Redwall, then the nightmarish vegetation in the middle White Creek narrows slowed progress considerably. We took a break at the little slickrock section before the trail temporarily exits. After the bypass, we were back in the wash, and this was officially further I had ever been down this trail (made it through the narrows on a day hike 3 years ago).

I was getting slightly worried about daylight; it was 4pm or so when we got to the location where the trail exits White Creek for good, and while the narrows section would be a much shorter distance, I wasn't sure what to expect as far as vegetation and obstacles. But I missed the trail and we found ourselves at the start of the narrows, so decided to just go with it. This section actually turned out to be much easier going than the wash portion of the creek, and more enjoyable than any part of the actual North Bass trail. We had to take packs off just once to lower them down a 4ft pour-off, but overall the few obstacles were very easy. Got to the campsite at Shinumo and White confluence with a full hour of daylight to spare.

After setting up camp, and sitting for half an hour or so, my back reminded me, with a vengeance, that I had tweaked it. For a minute there I was worried about how I would get out of the canyon, but it loosened up, and for the rest of the trip would just be non-acute soreness.

Saturday

Headed down the creek in the morning towards the Colorado. Lots of creek crossings, but all pretty easy. Visited the old Shinumo Camp site, and there's not much left there, just the old equipment stash along the trail and a few foundations. Headed up and over the saddle and back down to the river, and chilled on a nice beach for a bit.

On the way back, we decided to try and find the route over to the lower part of Shinumo Creek. Turned out to be pretty easy, with a barely marked junction before the trail starts climbing, and another one shortly after that leads down to a nice beach. We stayed up high, passed by another old foundation, and easily found our way to the trail to Shinumo. The descent back down to the creek was a lot of fun, and so was the creek. At one point I think we accidentally stumbled onto Bass's old route up Burro Canyon. The lower part of Shinumo Creek is definitely worth checking out, and more interesting than the section of North Bass that bypasses it.

Got back to camp at 1pm, took a short nap, and then I ventured up Shinumo Creek by myself. Followed this route all the way to a little upstream from Flint Creek, where there is a narrow section with a pool and waterfall that would require swimming to bypass (unless there's a way around that involves exiting the channel, possibly in Flint Creek). This little trek was one of the highlights, and a worthwhile diversion if you're down there.

Sunday

Decided to take the actual North Bass trail up, and got the climb out of the way before it started getting hot. The wash section wasn't as miserable as expected, as there were little shady areas here and there to take short breaks. The redwall climb was steeper than I remembered from a couple days earlier, but once up there, it was easy going until back in the wash. The upper White Creek section just seemed to go on and on and on, but once at the climb, I could see the light at the end of the tunnel. Filled up all our containers at the spring for the dry camp at the cabin, where there was actually not much room to camp. Didn't want to stay inside the cabin due to worries about potential airborn rodent diseases, but the weather was actually beautiful up there. Wasn't cold like I expected.

Monday

Quick one mile hike out with light packs (opted to just carry 16oz of water, which I only drank half of). Beers in my Jeep were still cold. Long drive home.

We saw a grand total of three other groups on the trail, which is 1-2 more than I expected. Overall I liked this area, particularly Shinumo Creek, although it's a major pain to get there. I might explore the possibility of pack rafting across from South Bass if I want to visit again in the future.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Queen Anne Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Not a ton of flow, but managed to fill up 5L or so in about 10 minutes.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Shinumo Creek Light flow Light flow
I'm going with "Light flow" because, while there is plenty of water, the crossings are all very easy, rarely more than knee deep.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max White Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Upper section (Supai): dry
Middle narrows (below Redwall): intermittent
Lower narrows (below Tonto): intermittent, decent flow in places.
Dry at Shinumo confluence
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Got the permits for this back in December 2018 -Rim Cubed backpack starting at South Bass TH. River crossing was easy on packrafts heading North-got Guinness off rafters! We camped near Bass Camp first night. The second day we had to cross Shinumo Creek five times. Due to large snow pack and melt, these crossings were difficult-particularly crossing No.2. High and fast water. Both of us were nearly 200lbs and struggled with the crossings. Once out of Shinumo drainage we made good time on Tonto till it dropped back down into White's Creek. We camped two nights below Redwall in White's. We day hiked up the Redwall and up to the Muav Saddle and visited Teddy's Cabin. There were no cars at North Bass TH
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This is my 4th Colorado River rafting trip with Hatch River Expeditions,through the Grand Canyon--12 glorious days below the rim! I went with my sister, Rita, and best friend Linda Brady. We traveled from Lee's Ferry all the way to Whitmore Wash, 188 miles down the Colorado River taking in both the Upper and Lower Canyon. These motor rigs are 35' in length and 16' wide powered by a 30-horsepower, four-stroke motor. They have two tubes on the sides which you can ride in rapids if you want a great thrill! There were only 14 passengers and 2 crew and one boat this time. I highly recommend saving your $$ for this trip of a life time. It's not cheap, but worth every penny if you are adventurous, love to hike fairly difficult hikes and don't mind camping on the beach every night. You'll get to HATE SAND! But, heck, it's only sand. I keep saying "this will be the last time I go on this trip", but I already miss it. Never say never! If any of you are thinking of going on this trip and want a few good tips, message me.
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This is my third Colorado River rafting trip through the Grand Canyon. Wade and I did the same trip two years ago in 2014--a 12-day hiking-intensive rafting trip with Hatch River Expeditions. I love this trip! Wade gave this to me for my 62nd birthday. This time; however, I went alone. Wade did not want to go as he's "Been there, Done that!" I was quite worried about the weather as it was supposed to rain the majority of the time based on weather reports at Phantom Ranch. God was looking out for us as the weather was perfect! We traveled from Lee's Ferry all the way to Whitmore Wash, 188 miles down the Colorado River taking in both the Upper and Lower Canyon. These motor rigs are 35' in length and 16' wide powered by a 30-horsepower, four-stroke motor. They have two tubes on the sides with you can ride in rapids if you want a great thrill! There were only 9 passengers and three crew on the upper canyon trip. Four hiked out at the Bright Angel Trail near Phantom Ranch leaving only 5 of us to go the full 12 days. 24 people hiked down from the South Rim to meet the boats at Pipe Creek for the next 6 days. If you've never done this trip, I highly recommend saving your $$ for this trip of a life time. It's not cheap, but worth every penny if you are adventurous, love to hike fairly difficult hikes and don't mind camping on the beach every night. You'll get to HATE SAND! But, heck, it's only sand. I will write more about his trip when I edit this triplog later. Some of the hikes that I can't find links to on HAZ include Saddle Canyon, the confluence of the Little Colorado River, Miner's Camp (North Bass Trail.) I'm doing my best to keep my "being" below the rim. I'm just not ready for real life yet, but it is nice to have a hot shower!
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The N. Bass Trail is a rigorous rim-to-river backpack off the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. Originally an old Indian route it was further developed by Wm Bass about 1900 for tourists and hunters. Ray Peale, Kathy Gish and myself tackled this adventure during a heatwave over 3 1/2 days in the canyon. Challenges were the heat, creek brushiness and over 6700 cumulative elevation gain. Highlights were spectacular views, oasis campsites along White Creek, the Tapeats Narrows one-way, Bass Camp area exploration, Shinumo Creek crossings and the Colorado River. We climbed out a day early via the Tonto Trail because of the 100 degree temps in the canyon. This was a fun challenge! Elisabeth Wheeler
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Had Royal Arch on the HAZ calendar but the PM system must be down 'cause no one was able to get a hold of me. Decided to go back to Flint Creek instead. I spent a cold night in the back of my truck at South Bass TH. 17 was the predicted low. Was hard to get out of my bag in the morning so I didn't hit the trail until about 8:30am. Down South Bass and then crossed the river, same spot as last time. In an attempt to reduce weight and bulk, I used a small extending paddle instead of a kayak paddle and an inflatable life vest. Went up Shinumo and then up Flint Creek. Shinumo had a major flash flood since the last time I was here and the place is almost unrecognizable! Many of the cottonwoods are gone and the creek changed its course in many spots. Some of the Bass Camp artifacts are either buried in silt or washed down the creek. Shinumo used to run a few hundred feet from Bass Camp but now it's only about 25 feet away.
Didn't have enough time to get to my destination in Flint as I got a late start and wanted to get back to the river before it got dark. Saw some small ruins near Shinumo as a consolation. On one of the many crossings of Shinumo, I stepped on a trick rock that rolled out from under me, sending me up to my neck into the creek. R.I.P. Canon S110 :(

I left a water bottle cached at the Redwall on South Bass. On the way out I still had plenty of water so instead of dumping it I left the bottle on the trail in case someone needs it (I did last time. Thanks JoeyB!) Is this trash? Maybe. It's common for people to run out of water on SB while exiting the Royal Arch Route. I think the last water is typically Copper Canyon unless they make a side trip to the Colorado. I hope someone can use it and then carries out the empty.

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dry Bass Canyon Dry Dry

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With a three day backpacking trip planned along North Bass, the forecast for extreme weather was not particularly welcome. After some discussion, we decided to make the drive and go for it anyway. After camping at the TH, I fired up my NOAA weather radio on Friday morning and was less than excited to hear that the forecast wasn't any better -- and was in fact worse -- than the earlier forecasts.

The sign at the trailhead warns users of flash flooding on the North Bass trail, since more than half the trail follows a creek bottom. Neither 9L nor I had ever hiked here, so we decided to be cautious. The rain wouldn't be a problem, but the potential for severe storms, lightning, and the flash flood watch already in effect made us decide to forego the backpacking trip and just make it a day hike.

Unfortunately, this last-minute decision came late, and we didn't get started hiking until 8:30. On the way down we paid attention to the trail condition and made a note of where we wanted to get back to before dark, knowing it would be an extended day.

We stopped at Teddy's Cabin at Muav Saddle (a name misappropriated by Mormons from the Arizona Strip, despite Teddy having never been there -- the cabin Teddy actually slept in was burned down by the NPS in the 1950s while they were trying to eradicate rodents ](*,) )

The first two miles of the hike, from the trailhead to the saddle, and then through the Coconino to the creek, are a solid, 2000-feet in 2-miles.

We were pleasantly surprised to find water at Queen Anne Spring, as well as in several places below it. There was no shortage of water all day long. And this was before the rain!

Once in White Creek, we were pleasantly surprised by the amount of water, including some waterfalls and cascades we were able to cool off in. The hiking here is difficult due to the dense growth in the creek bottom. There's an established route, but this is definitely slower going than most canyon trails!

The next two miles are relatively flat, losing only a few hundred feet in White Creek, before hitting the redwall break, a very steep and scree covered descent. Some of this is as steep as any section of trail I can remember. It's only about 600 feet, but you do it in not much more than a quarter of a mile.

From here, you stay in White Creek, where water once again surfaces. About a mile downstream of the redwall break, you reach a narrow with "fall" marked on the topo map. There's a bypass but you could downclimb it if you wanted to. Getting back up would be more difficult without the bypass.

At 7.3 miles we stayed left in the canyon, avoiding the obvious route up above the creek to the right. We skipped the trip to the natural bridge. This was one of the best parts of the hike. Suddenly the canyon drops in to a narrow slot, with a couple of huge chock stones about 70-80 feet above the bottom. Here there's a short bypass to get down below where you can hike back up to the lower chockstone and a small fall that can't be ascended.

The narrow canyon is scenic and pleasant for hiking, but would be a terrible place to be during rain. About two miles in lower White before it reaches Shinumo Creek.

Shinumo had clearly flashed this summer. Probably more than once. Signs of flooding was evident 10-15 feet above the current water level, destroying previously established camping areas on shelves above the creek you would normally think to be safely high. Nonetheless, the water was clear (even a little havasupai blue) and cool, with a very impressive flow. We were an hour past our turn around time, so we took a short break at the junction of the actual Bass trail (as opposed to the White Creek route), ate lunch, swam a bit, and then headed back up.

The sections of trail through the shale were rutted from the rains. The trail was pretty rough in places. This section was steep and difficult. I'd recommend the route in White so much more than this!

As we trekked along, the skies threatened. A few times it rained a little, and some thunder and lightning joined in. We were happy with our decision to day hike rather than backpack down here. Eventually it got dark, and those last two miles really hurt. I stopped at Queen Anne Spring and filtered a liter of water since I had been dry for a couple of miles. We were both really tired and took our time on the final ascent.

Back at the car we met a guide for REI adventures and chatted with him for a few minutes before heading out and finding a more sheltered camp site back in the forest where we could have a fire. I awoke several times overnight due to very heavy rain, thunder, and lightning. I was happy to not be in the canyon near one of those creeks.

But it was a great hike!

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Flow through most of the canyon. Some areas are dry. Never more than a mile without filterable water.

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Plenty of water, but a little difficult to obtain. I think it actually took 2-3 min to fill a liter, because I had to use a stick to get the flow to come off the rock face and drip into my bottle.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max White Creek Light flow Light flow
White Creek was flowing nearly the entire length from not far below Queen Anne Spring to Shinumo Creek. There are a few areas where the creek goes underground, but not for much more than a mile at any stretch.
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