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West Webber - Turkey Springs Balloon, AZ 
West Webber - Turkey Springs Balloon, AZ
 
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I've been wanting to get over here to check out the damage from last years WEST fire. I was going to do it yesterday to avoid the plethora of Labor Day monkeys up on Milk Ranch Point. I knew that the rain yesterday morning would have made the Geronimo trail a slip-fest, so today was the day.

On the drive in, I saw a pride of deer, a gaggle of elk, and a school of turkeys. It was in the 60s with a breeze to start, and there was one other car at the trailhead. To begin, you are on the Highline/AZT for a quarter mile through a pretty section of trail after crossing Webber Creek.

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Geronimo Trail #240

I am not a fan of this old road, which is now a trail. It's washed out, rocky, and just not fun, but it's a means to get to the good stuff.

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West Webber Trail #228

I'm happy to say that the maples, oaks, and pines on West Webber appear to be mainly unscathed in the lower elevations. It should be a good autumn color hike this year.

The burn damage was much more evident after the intersection of West Webber and Milk Ranch Point West. This is also where the elevation gain ramps up a bit. While going up, I passed the only hiker/runner I saw all day, who was headed down.

I had a 1.5-mile road walk on FR218 to get to the Turkey Spring Trail. It being a holiday weekend, I expected a zoo. The first half of my walk was pleasant and quiet. The closer I got to Dickerson Flat, not so much. There were 20+ RVs and campers, all with ORVs, motorcycles, etc. Luckily, this is where I hit the Turkey Springs Trail.

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Turkey Springs Trail #217

The damage on Turkey Springs is a lot more evident, especially toward the top right after you drop off the edge. On the bright side, it opened up the views.

I met the runner again as I was going down Turkey Springs; he was coming up. After a little conversation, he mentioned that he was scouting out part of the route for the Mogollon Monster, which is being run next week (101.8 miles - 16,544 AEG).

The lower sections of the Turkey Springs Trail are in decent shape, both tread-wise and burn-wise. I'd forgotten about the nice rim views here.

I passed up a scenic rock outcropping that I've noted in previous hikes. I had no interest in attempting to climb it.

Further down, I checked out the flowing Turkey Spring, washed off my face, and soaked my hat.

From here on out, I was on the same track that I had headed in on. It was a shady, breezy 82 degrees to finish.

So to sum up,
West Webber still should be an excellent choice for Maples and Oaks.
Turkey Springs has Oaks in the upper stretches and they should be mostly good. This trail took most of it's fire damage in the upper half after dropping off the rim.
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Turkey Springs #217 via Geronimo, AZ 
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With the hotter temps Tracey wanted something cooler yet not too long a drive, making sure to avoid road construction issues and the like.

Having been 5 years, how about something on Pinal Peak? Seems like a reasonable alternative, but not so fast... what about the 3-4x weekly 9am-2pm closures on the US 60?

A quick check at AZ511.gov on Monday it stated a closure would take place on Wednesday and Thursday 6/19 & 6/20 so it appeared 6/18 would NOT have a closure, just slow through the construction zone. However, due to higher than normal frequency of accidents between Superior and Globe as of late, as well as noting US 60 was closed for some time on Monday due to an accident near Miami, I had a feeling there would be a last-minute change. And sure enough, taking an early look at AZ511 Tuesday morning there already was an accident close to Miami again, so although it did not show any closure for it, I wasn't about to trust it so on to the backup plan.

Ok, quick, what's the backup plan?
1. Somewhere N or E of Payson
2. On the Rim or thereabouts
3. Avoid the construction on the 260
4. Tracey was adamant it be an actual trail
When she mentioned something on the Highline? I scanned back in time to find although we had hiked numerous parts of the Highline more than once (plus Tracey had backpacked the whole thing) it had been 8 years since our one-and-only hike on the Turkey Springs Trail so we were more than due.

So, of course, due to all of the above, we had a later start than ideal. Although at a higher (cooler?) altitude I knew we'd be in the sun for much of the hike so I doubled my usual amount of fluids, albeit fully half being in a frozen state. As it turned out, I downed it all, so by neglecting to put more than one 12 oz bottle in the cooler that's all I had for the drive home.

Where were we?? Oh yeah, let's get to THE HIKE.

On the Control Road we only met one vehicle so we avoided much of the raised dust. Being a Tuesday I didn't expect anyone else at the Geronimo/Highline/AZT#26 TH and that was the case, so we expected a nice peaceful hike in-the-pines. Unfortunately that tranquility lasted less than 10 minutes, when shooting (from the camp?) began, continuing non-stop for the next 2+ hours. ](*,)

Whatever, it wasn't far along the Geronimo Trail before I recalled wondering the same thing as 8 years ago... we seemed to be descending more than ascending. Rather than the continual descend/ascend/descend/ascend/descend, when will we only be going UP? Of course it never ends on Geronimo, only upon reaching the Turkey Springs Trail. And of course, this was where we left the 'official route' to follow what I believe to be the original trail right past the actual spring. (So yes, while we did a smidgen of cross-country, it raised no complaint from Tracey.)

For the most part the trails (Geronimo & Turkey Springs) were easy to follow, but there were times when we followed what appeared to be old fire-break 'roads' as well as taking a few shortcuts along game trails to avoid a needless descent only to ascend again.

Although we encountered the odd deadfall here and there, one ~100-yard section on #217 was littered with over a half-dozen, one after the other and already had obvious short detours. At the gate in the fence at the Gila/Coconino County border there was no need to open the gate as barely a few feet away all we had to do was step over the fence where a tree had fallen on the fence.

Along the upper part of Trail #217 it was getting decidedly 'warm' in the direct sun so just short of the 'upper 'end' we scanned for and located a nice lunch-and-break spot fitting our requirements... a reasonably flat rock to sit on, in the shade and with a nice breeze. And wonder of wonders, the shooting stopped almost the moment we sat down. So we were able to enjoy-the-moment, such as it was, for it appeared they may have only stopped shooting for lunch, coinciding with our 25-minute break. When our break was over, the shooting began again. Thinking back on it now, I don't recall how long it continued, only that it had stopped shortly before we got back to the TH.

For one final less-than-optimal part of the experience, moments before we were about to drive away from the TH, two vehicles leave from the camp... oh great! If we follow right away, who knows how long we'll have to eat-their-dust. All we could hope for is:
1. They turn East at the Control Road, OR
2. They DON'T take the FR3731 shortcut (and we DO) to avoid a double-creek crossing.
Unfortunately, it was:
3. They took the shortcut AND drove West.
So, to avoid the freshly-raised dust I drove slow enough until the last vehicle was far enough ahead the dust had time to settle or lightly waft away.

Thankfully the drive back home was uneventful... other than the batches of 80+ mph vehicles nose-to-tail jockeying to pass 'slower' (70+ mph) traffic. In no hurry ourselves, 65 was just right... as long as I watched my rearview mirror more than looking ahead.
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This is a fun hike that I haven't done in about 4 years, so I decided to head up to the Rim and enjoy some nice weather and do this hike again.

We did a lasso loop hike with the loop done in a CCW fashion.

It was a tough climb up to the Rim, but not too bad. A highlight of the hike was stopping at the rock climbing that is about 3/4 of the way up the Turkey Springs Trail. There are great views on the rock outcropping and it is fun to scramble around on the rocks.

We took a break at a nice campsite up on Milk Ranch Point before heading back. On the way back we took the West Webber Trail all the way back down instead of taking the West Webber-Geronimo Connector like I usually do.

It was another fun day up on the Rim!
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Geronimo - Turkey Springs - West Webber, AZ 
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I started at the Geronimo Trailhead and took the Geronimo Trail to a loop hike, starting with Turkey Springs, then FR 218, and back down West Webber Creek Trail.

I had trouble finding the trail around Turkey Springs, but ultimately was able to get back on it by keeping close the tracks in the official guide. Great views from the Turkey Springs but it was a real grind. I've hiked a bunch of these trails to the Rim, including the Babe Haught Trail just a few days before, but it seemed harder.

I'm glad that I did the West Webber Creek Trail coming back down. It has a lot of shade and it was great to have that on my way back to the trailhead.

I've seen it said that the West Webber Creek Trail is great in fall, and while I hiked in summer, I can totally see where it would be a great fall trail. The vegetation lends itself to that.
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Some Columbines by the creek and probably a few others in spots that I didn't pay as much attention too. The biggest thing was that the Manzanitas were flowering, particularly near the top of the Rim on the Turkey Springs Trail.
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I hadn't ever done anything in this area save for car camping below the scout camp a decade or more ago, so I pieced together a loop similar to something Bruce and Joe had done about the time of that last car camp here :sweat: .

The forecast called for some showers but they stayed away, and in fact the climb up TS would have been nice with a dark cloud over us as it was a little bit warm in the exposed upper section in the sun.

Upper East Webber was a fun scramble. There was just a trickle of water flowing along the way until the real creek flow began at the spring. Obstacles were bypassed a few times, and there's a lot of hand work to negotiate downed trees and such.

As expected, the real "trail" at the bottom is overgrown and unmaintained. 9L really enjoyed frolicking in the poison ivy! :D

There were two guys picking raspberries near the deepest pool, and we encountered a group of three hazzers on a separate loop near the Turkey junction.

Up top, I detoured us to the PHX --> 75 sign which I had never inspected up close before.

Quick work on the road back to the truck and a solid day complete.
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Up and over X2 on Milk Ranch Point, AZ 
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I got dropped off at the Pine TH to start this hike. I hadn't been on Donahue or Turkey Springs in quite awhile, so I worked up a route that would hit both. I also like the views and rock scramble of the East Rim, so my route was set.

I followed a cow elk for awhile up the Highline Trail, until she got bored.

Up Donahue, it's mostly in good shape. Like many trails this year, it is starting to fill in. The biggest problem for me, was the extended gnat season. The pesky little SOB's

Down West Webber for the first time. The top portion of this trail is a steep one. This trail is loaded with maple that should explode with their fall color next month. There's also plenty of old growth Ponderosa. Very little light gets through to this trail, so no need to worry about the orb cooking you. There is some downfall on the trail, but it's easily avoided.

Up on Turkey Springs trail. For a trail that's less than a mile away, it has an entirely different feel. There is very little protection from the sun. It's mostly manzanita and juniper. What it does give you is vast views of the rim. Up top, I had my lunch with a view.

I headed across Dickerson Flat to the upper TH of The East Rim Trail. This is all off trail and there a lot of prickly locust to try and navigate through. I was lucky enough to find an old FR and then a game trail for awhile. But it got thick after that.

On the East Rim Trail, I really love the upper half of this trail/route. You have the great views and I love the rock scrambling. The lower half drags on a bit, because it's steep and slippery.

The squirrels were having a great time all day with their nuts.
There is a bumper crop of acorns this year.
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Turkey Springs Trail #217Payson, AZ
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A loop of FR 218, Trail #217 and Trail #228 is 5.6 miles and 1,530 ft. AEG. You can either hike from the top of the Rim, on Milk Ranch Point, as I did, or from the bottom, at Camp Geronimo’s front gate. The latter adds 5.0 miles, 700 AEG, in & out to Turkey Spring.

Dickenson Flat, opposite the west end of Trail #217, would make a great trailhead, but I opted to park 1½ miles south on FR 218 at an unnamed tank. (The better to warm up my legs before tackling Trail #217.) At the north end of Dickenson Flat, I turned right onto decommissioned FR 9381F.

150 yds. past the FR 9381F vehicle gate, there is a sign for Trail #217, which splits to the left. The half mile of Trail #217 in the Coconino National Forest is indeed forested, with decent shade. A barbed wire fence and wire loop gate marked the boundary with the Tonto National Forest. 🌲

Past the fence, Trail #217 began descending in earnest, mostly through a manzanita-strewn old burn area. In 2007, Trail #217 was reported to be vague and in poor shape, but it is now well-defined, though ankle-breaker rocks and slippery gravel-over-slick surfaces require caution.

The top half of the Trail #217 descent has great views along the Mogollon Rim, which were enhanced on my hike by the contrast of many puffy clouds. A ¼ mile past the barbed wire gate, on the south side of the trail, is a freestanding rock formation with a balanced rock. If you are careful, you can climb the 30-40 ft. to the top. I saved my energy.

The final ¼ mile, Trail #217 becomes deeply-rutted jeep trail. I’m not sure if the erosion is recent, but I would not be surprised if it was: Nearby Payson has had over 11″ of rain during this summer’s record monsoon season. ☔️

After 3½ total miles, I turned off Trail #217 onto Trail #228, which drops slightly to a small, unnamed creek. I found a good tree stump, sitting down to a lunch of vinegar chips, gorp and gas station murderwich. Today’s hiking beer was Chimay Grande Réserve.

As it heads up canyon, Trail #228 crosses the small, unnamed, creek several times. I was always able to cross it dry. The creek’s low volume flow was loud enough I could hear it 50 ft. upslope.

Trail #228 had consistent, quality, shade it’s whole length. Between the creek and the overhead cover, the ground was moister. As a result, below the Rim, Trail #228 had fewer flowers and much more fungi than Trail #217. 🍄

The first mile of Trail #228 climbs 450 ft., while the next ¾ of a mile climbs a heavily switchbacked 800 ft. Just below the top of the Rim, was an outcropping painted “HAVE”, with what looked like a cave opening. Turned out to just be a crack filled with rocks and leaf litter. From the top of the climb, it was only ⅓ of a mile back my wife at the unnamed tank.

Overall, I enjoyed the whole loop, but especially Trail #228. I look forward to doing it again in a few years, if I am not too old. Or fat.

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Mullein, Wheeler's thistle and, especially primrose along FR 218. Pineywoods geranium most common flower, found near top of cliff band on both trails. Western dayflower, Mexican silene, Stansbury's cliffrose, penstemon, Arizona thistle. Lots of molds and mushrooms, especially on Trail #228, which is darker and damper. (Only one I could identify was orange jelly.)

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Geronimo Turkey Milk, AZ 
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Lunch at the Rim again. I'm beginning to like this very much.

I used a track from @DixieFlyer for this hike. It was my second time hiking from the Geronimo Trailhead, the first time hiking Geronimo, Turkey, a portion of West Webber and a BSA trail (Milk Ranch Point West). I hiked the loop in a CCW direction.

I didn't care for the the extra baggage of the Geronimo trail, but you need it if you want to hike this loop from the Geronimo TH. I think it would be a better loop if started from Milk Ranch Rd.

I very much enjoyed the Turkey trail. It's a good track, has outstanding views of the Mogollon Rim on the way up and is a great workout, getting steeper as you approach the rim. I stopped for lunch at a large rock outcropping about a third of a mile from the top. If I had turned around there, it would have been a worthy hike. I continued on to Milk Ranch Road, headed south towards the West Webber trail and then down West Webber.

Webber is also a very nice track, steep at the top but with reasonably good footing. I wasn't aware of it at the time, but the track I borrowed departs from the West Webber trail at the intersection with the BSA trail mentioned earlier and follows the BSA track back to the Geronimo trail. I decided to stay on the track I had. The BSA trail was actually pretty cool, a little overgrown in places, but fun. You might find some nice fall colors there in another week or two. Since I started late (11:20ish), I was in the shade the entire way down.

I liked this loop a lot. I will more than likely return to give it another go. There were a couple of missed opportunities: I want to climb the rock outcropping where I ate lunch and I want to see the rest of West Webber. As it was, it was a very fun hike on a great day.
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I was once again looking to escape the heat of the valley, and decided to head back to the Rim Country. This time, I did a lollipop loop hike starting from the Geronimo TH and going up to Milk Ranch Point.

We did the loop CCW by going up on the Turkey Trail and coming back down on the West Webber Trail.

You'll get a good workout on the ascent up the Turkey Trail -- about 2/3 of the way up we stopped and climbed up on a cool rock outcropping that has some great views.

The trails were generally in good shape, although the West Webber Trail is getting a little overgrown in places, mainly with some small maple trees and some sumac.

The drive in on the Control Road and the forest road leading to the Boy Scout Camp were both in good shape -- most any vehicle could easily drive it. I wish that the western part of Rim Road 300 was in similar condition!
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Webber Turkey Spring Loop, AZ 
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After a month of not hiking I decided to head up to Payson for a couple days. Heading up there on Labor day turned out to be a good idea, Started out of Tucson at 0500, there was no traffic coming out of Phoenix and the drive to the trail head at Webber Creek was also fairly easy, with the exception of a few crazies that think the control Road is a place to see how fast their off road vehicles can take that road. Got a late start at 0900. Amazingly the two days of hiking here I did not see one other person on the trail.

Started out on the Highline Trail and after .25 miles turned on to the Geronimo Trail, which is actually just an old road for the most part. The fun began at the West Webber Trail. I would really of preferred to do this a bit earlier because by 1000 it was getting a little warm and humid for this ascent. This trail was in good condition but it is steep. After a few standing breaks I finally made it to the top. The walk along Milk Ranch Road to the Turkey Spring trail was easy going after the climb up but due to the lack of shade it was hot. Dickenson Flat Tank had a bit of water in it but didn't look too appetizing. The grass growing around it in the meadow looked like it was just freshly mowed. Do they still run cattle up here or is this just deer and elk?

I thought that at the Turkey Spring Trail Head it would be all downhill but there is a small hill to climb up first. It isn't much of a hill but it is up none the less and when your expecting down it was kind of frustrating. Funny how when you're hot and tired how you can make a mountain out of a molehill. I took my lunch break just over the hill, didn't want to start out on an uphill plus there was a slight breeze there. Had a Subway Italian BMT for lunch and I am still amazed how much better those are when you are hiking, beats the heck out of that healthy hiking trail stuff I usually have. Started down the Turkey Spring Trail refreshed and ready to go. This trail is a lot more exposed to the sun due to the lack of trees on the upper end but it was downhill so it was tolerable. The views to the north of the Mogollon rim were spectacular along this trail. I even spotted the rock up on the rim to the north that me and my wife spent some time on years ago with all of the Payson area laid out in front of us. Good memories. This is another nice trail and I would definitely rather go up the West Webber and down this one. The west Webber does a lot more switchbacks so the grade is milder and there is more canopy to shield the sun.

I still had time when I got back to the Geronimo Trail so I took it east to Webber Creek. This was kind of a ho hum trail along an old road for the most part. The last .1 miles to the creek was a trail. There was a trail that I noticed every so often that seemed to be paralleling the road, I believe this trail starts at the Campground in Webber Canyon Campground. I will have to check this out on another trip. Made it to Webber creek refilled my canteen and headed back. I had plans to hike further up the East Webber Creek Trail but time was running out. Should of left Tucson at 0300 like I originally planned. The East Webber Creek Trail looks like it is an actual Trail.

Got back to Payson about 1700 and boy what a zoo. Traffic on the 260 was backed up for miles making the turn onto 87 south to Phoenix. Lucky for me I was heading East on the 260 so there was no traffic issues. The trick is to know what everybody is doing and do the opposite. Felt good to get out hiking again after a month of idleness. The last month I have been dealing with SS and medicare. working with them is like pushing a chain up the Turkey Spring Trail. I had two days where I barely thought about them.
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Aug 03 2019
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 Jackson, CA
Pine Canyon Trail #26Payson, AZ
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toddakTriplogs 577
Hiking17.00 Miles 4,500 AEG
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From the north end: down PCT > up ERT > across Milk Ranch mesa > down WWT > up TT > return. East Rim is a bold little route, very fun, saw a mama cinnamon and 2 cubs on the mesa, several small flowing creeks along WW, refreshing thunderstorm on the way out.
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Apr 17 2019
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 Fountain Hills,
Geronimo Turkey Milk, AZ 
Geronimo Turkey Milk, AZ
 
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DixieFlyerTriplogs 1,377
Hiking10.70 Miles 2,518 AEG
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Last week I did a loop hike that I dubbed Red Geronimo Milk, so this week I decided to try a different flavor of milk, and this one was much tastier!

This hike is north of Payson, near Pine. I started and ended the hike at the Geronimo TH on FR 440, which is near Camp Geronimo, and is a couple of miles off of Control Rd #64.

The route was a CCW lollipop loop hike which followed this sequence:
TH > Highline > Geronimo Trail> Turkey Trail > FR 9381F > Milk Ranch Rd(FR 218) > West Webber Trail > Milk Ranch West Trl(BSA) > Geronimo Trl > Highline > TH

I particularly enjoyed Turkey Trail #217: It had great views along with a cool rock outcropping along the upper part of the trail. It was a lot nicer going down the West Webber Trail than going up it.

This would a good hike when there is hot weather in Phoenix -- the temperatures would be cooler than those in the Valley, and you'd be in shade for much of the hike.

After the hike I made the obligatory stop at That Brewery in Pine!
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Sep 02 2018
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 Fountain Hills,
Geronimo-Turkey-West Webber, AZ 
Geronimo-Turkey-West Webber, AZ
 
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KBKBTriplogs 237
Hiking10.88 Miles 2,388 AEG
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My wife and I were joined by two friends for a Sunday hike in Rim country.

Starting from the Geronimo Trailhead, we hiked Geronimo #240, Turkey Trail #217, FS 218 (atop Milk Ranch Point), West Webber #228, and back on Geronimo.

We saw lots of folks camping near FS 440 as we drove out. We also saw lots of folks camping on top of the rim. We saw two young girls driving/riding a quad and heard a bunch of shooting nearby. (This was on top of the rim.)

Thankfully, the actual trails were a lot quieter and more peaceful, though we could still hear occasional shooting in the distance. The trails that we hiked were all in good condition, though there was some deadfall that we had to cross or walk around in a few places. Nothing too hard.

We might have gotten slightly off route while getting to the start of Turkey Trail #217. There was a sign for Turkey Spring and a somewhat less distinct trail which I figured led to the spring. However, staying on what appeared to be the better defined track showed something of deviation from the GPS track that I had loaded up. It turned out that the road/trail that I was on eventually intersected the Turkey Trail, so all was well.

Actually, there seem to be a few other "extra" trails in that area.

On the way down on the Webber Trail, we encountered a fork. The left fork looked better; the right fork had a sign which mentioned "BSA rim something" - I don't remember the exact wording. I followed the left fork for a short ways, but my GPS watch showed that that we were getting off track. (I do think it would have worked out just fine though.) Anyway, we ended up on the BSA trail - I really liked it. It had just enough growth that I had to occasionally look to see where to go next. At one point we came to a "bridge" across a ravine which consisted of four wooden planks. It didn't look especially safe, but I walked across it anyway. The span I chose didn't creak at all and ended up being sturdier than I expected. It would have been possible to cross here by descending 8-10 feet down into the ravine and then up the other side, but it was steep and walking across the planks ended up being oh so much easier.
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Jul 06 2016
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 Phoenix, AZ
Turkey Springs Trail #217Payson, AZ
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capcycloneTriplogs 86
Hiking2.10 Miles 1,506 AEG
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Quick hike along the Turkey Trail. Was a bit warmer than we were expecting on this day, but it's a great stroll in the woods. Haven't ventured on many of the other available trails in the area, but hope too soon!
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Feb 19 2016
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 Payson, AZ
Geronimo #240 to West Webber #228, AZ 
Geronimo #240 to West Webber #228, AZ
 
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The_NTriplogs 325
Hiking6.60 Miles 1,062 AEG
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Hiking with the youngster again this morning. Wanted something a little more kid friendly so I could get more milage out of him and then I remembered how much he enjoyed this one back in November. FRs 199, 64 & 440 are all in good shape and dry, aside from creek crossings (Bray @ 64 & Webber @ 440). Started at Geronimo TH and hiked Highline > Geronimo > Turkey Spring > up and across West Webber Creek > Milk Ranch Point West > Geronimo > Highline back to TH. Took a snack break along West Webber. Tons of water flowing from every creek and drainage possible. Tread was a mix of dry and mud with a few patches of snow. Got sprinkled on briefly but otherwise it was mostly overcast and warm. It was fairly green and looking like early spring until reaching West Webber Creek where it suddenly got gray and dreary, but we still enjoyed ourselves.

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Flowing across the road @ FR64

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Plenty of water flowing down from the spring area

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Webber Creek @ Highline Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max West Webber Creek Medium flow Medium flow
Best flow I've seen
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Jul 09 2015
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 Phoenix, AZ
Turkey Springs Trail #217Payson, AZ
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Quick hike of the Turkey Trail. Very beautiful area. Mixed vegetation of ponderosa and oak as well as plenty of manzanita and vines, etc. Very lush area. Can't wait to do more trails in this area.
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Jun 23 2014
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 Tucson, AZ
West Webber Trail #228Payson, AZ
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PrestonSandsTriplogs 2,097
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Camp Geronimo weekend, day 2:

Left for a solo hike after breakfast with the parents in the dining hall and made my way to the west end of camp. Started on the Milk Ranch Point West Trail, then took the West Webber Trail to the top of Milk Ranch Point. Followed F.R. 218 north for a mile or so, looking for the Turkey Trail, which, as it turns out, is not signed at this time. After a couple of wrong turns and some bushwhacking, I finally located the Turkey Trail and descended the Mogollon Rim into the toasty warmth of the West Webber Creek watershed. Had lunch with my dad near Lake Geronimo and then I started for home, stopping to meet my brother for dinner at Serrano's in Tempe. :)

Things learned on the drive back to Payson: the Washington Park trailhead and access road is now closed to camping, and delays should be expected on Houston Mesa Road while the new (!) Second Crossing and Third Crossing bridges are completed.

triplog data reflects West Webber-Turkey Trail loop and Camp Geronimo hiking.

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The big wooden tank by the trail that is signed as "Turkey Spring" was bone dry, but there was a slight flow of water and some tiny pools in the creek below it.
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Jul 29 2013
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Turkey Trail via Geronimo, AZ 
Turkey Trail via Geronimo, AZ
 
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guyinthewoodsTriplogs 14
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My last few hikes have been somewhat leisurely, so this time I wanted to challenge myself a little more. I've never explored this area before, and figured that this hike would be pretty interesting, so I loaded up and arrived at Geronimo TH just before 8am. After crossing Webber creek, the Highline trail headed through some ferns and blackberries on the way to the junction of trail 240. This area seems to be very well signed, which I guess probably has something to do with the close proximity of the scout camp. Despite a few heavily eroded areas and side paths departing the main trail, I had no problems finding my way to the start of Geronimo trail after about 1/4 mile of walking along the Highline.

There isn't much to say about Geronimo trail that hasn't already been stated on this website many times over. It's a mostly non-noteworthy jeep trail that wanders past Camp Geronimo. I was distractedly walking along, thinking about how bland the past couple miles had been, when I approached the sign indicating the junction of a trail that headed uphill to the west. I had just started to read "BSA Milk Ranch trail" that was carved into the wood when I perceived a large brownish mass heading directly toward me from right behind the sign. It took me a second to comprehend what I was seeing, and I jumped back a few steps when I realized that a huge black bear was closing to within 15-20 feet of me. Of course, as soon as it saw me move and noticed I was there, it turned around and took off up the hill. It emerged back onto the trail about 100 feet away to stare me down for a few seconds, but I was too slow and couldn't get a picture before it strolled away into the trees.

So that close encounter definitely got the adrenaline flowing for the serious climb I was about to get down and dirty with. Another 1/8 mile past the BSA trail junction is where trail #217 begins. It starts out fairly gentle as you cross the trickle of water that originates just a bit uphill at Turkey spring. After passing the West Webber trail junction a couple hundred yards up, things started to get steeper and steeper. The ample shade of lower elevations gradually disappears as the trail switchbacks up into what looks to be an old burn area. Just when your legs really start to burn from the past 1000' of elevation gain, the massive rock outcropping appears off the side of the trail. It's a great place to stop for a drink of water and take a few pictures. If you decide to climb it, like I did, beware the vertigo-inducing nightmare that awaits you at the top.

Once you continue past the outcrop, assure yourself that most of the tough climbing is behind you as the trail levels out passing over the edge of the rim. The views are great from the top, but don't stop there. It's worth it to keep going to the end of the trail at Dickenson flat. I ate lunch while sitting on a stump at the edge of a picturesque grassy meadow, which was a nice surprise to see after a pretty brutal ascent. I have no idea how some of you guys on this site manage 20+ mile dayhikes in this area, you must have bionic legs. Anyway, the way back down to the lower trailhead was much quicker than going up. I used my favorite downhill technique that I'd describe as a "controlled stumble" which saved almost an hour off my return time. I arrived at the car a few minutes after 1pm to see another vehicle at the trailhead with a HAZ sticker on the back. Didn't see any other hikers on the trail all day, however.

I really liked this hike and I'm planning on returning in the fall, probably for a lasso route connecting to West Webber trail #228 or an out and back hike up East Webber trail. Turkey trail is pretty fun, and I'd recommend it to anybody who is willing to work up a sweat for some awesome views of the rim.
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Trickling near the source but flowing better at stream crossing immediately before 240/217 junction.

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Murky brown water from recent rainfall
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Jul 20 2013
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 Far NE Phoenix,
East Webber Canyon-Turkey Trail Loop, AZ 
East Webber Canyon-Turkey Trail Loop, AZ
 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,762
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A week short of a year ago, Joe and I started a 27 mile 14 hour hike from Hell. The ultimate goal that day was to get to the Slick-rock spring area up in East Webber Canyon. We abandoned the last 1/4 mile of this search due to a combination of heavy prickly wet growth, Rain/Lightning, Mud, and bad attitudes.

I vowed never to go to this area again. Roll forward 51 weeks, and what hike do I plan?

We smartly started on top of the rim, parking just down FR6107 from Lee Johnson Spring.

What an extremely pretty canyon this is going through. Joe remembered going partway down this canyon years ago and getting stopped at one point. There really was nothing that bad going down. Whenever there was a large drop or obstacle, there was a way around it. We took our time, getting "Tibber Finger" from all the photos.

Just prior to reaching the slick-rock area, we started finding clues of the old trail. The slick-rock area is very lush. Green, Green, Green.

Next, the only part of this trail that would keep me from coming back. (yea, that's what I said last year). It only lasts for a 1/2 mile, but it is a half mile of thick, prickly, wet, overgrown, leg grabbing flora.

Once past here, it's clear sailing. On the way past Camp Geronimo, it sounded like the Boy Scouts at were practicing for their Merit Badges on Shot Guns, Semi-Auto Rifles, and pistols.

We took our lunch on the Turkey Trail at Turkey Spring. The Turkey trail is a winner in my book, the "Rocky Outcropping", at 6900' and about 350' shy of the rim, is another definite plus on this trail. It's a short .8 mile from the western TH for the Turkey Trail. Take some time to climb on the boulders and take is the views of the valley below and Rim.

We bailed on the planned trek around and close to the rim, because of impending storms and Locust. I'd like to try this again sometime.

Two main highlights on this one, the drop down East Webber Canyon and the Rocky Outcrop.
If we could get that 1/2 mile of crap cleared, it had book possibilities.


Video== :next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIslPN4Dxfc
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Flowing water from the spring on down

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Plenty of filterable water

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Drank directly out of the pipe. Still alive today.
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Jul 20 2013
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East Webber Canyon - Turkey Trail Loop, AZ 
East Webber Canyon - Turkey Trail Loop, AZ
 
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Finally pushed down East Webber from the rim. Nothing technical, just slow going. We went even slower taking photos every fifty yards. The beauty is a step up from anything in the area. Aspens at the top. Dark canyon colors. Old healthy trees. A few stacked rock obstacles nothing really sculptured. Based on past bear encounters we probably heard a bear but couldn't pin down his location. To the spring and back would be a nice hike in itself.

Turkey Trail #217 is now an actual "trail" again in very good condition! My 2007 visit was after a fire wiped out the switchbacks.

Only 1 hour above 80 degrees based on Bruce's garmin sensor. Nice puffy clouds kept the sun on simmer. It rained notably more on the rim when we were in the canyon. I noticed this happened on previous days reviewing rain totals prior to our hike. The rim is a solid dividing line.

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Indian Paintbrush, red penstemon, wiry lotus, columbine, Red Cinquefoil, Arizona Thistle

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typical light flow, clean and plenty to filter

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