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Brush Trail #249 - 5 members in 11 triplogs have rated this an average 2.6 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Dec 01 2021
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Hiking22.44 Miles 4,833 AEG
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For my first trip to Doll Baby TH, I chose the most popular loop and destination. I looped the full length of the Red Hills AZT section with Mazatzal Divide Trail, and visited the "Spanish Ruins" along its track. I did alter the loop slightly, making the trip down to the river via the LF East Verde Shortcut Trail instead of hiking the road to Bull Spring Trail. Started at 7am and went ccw.

Should have went a week earlier for the yellow sea of cottonwoods and sycamores around Doll Baby and along Bull Spring Trail. Better luck next year. Road walked to the ruins turnoff. The trail up to the clifftop is obvious, wide, well-cairned. I'd make the trip for the cliff overlook as soon as for the ruins, though they were more interesting than I expected. Nearly 6ft tall, lots of rooms, and killer views toward Doll Baby, North Peak, and Whiterock Mesa.

More road down to the river shortcut. The shortcut trail is marked with a giant cairn and some pink ribbons. At first the tread is appalling, but once down to the river it's sandy and soft. It saved a half mile plus the climb on the road up and down around Copper Mountain.

Connected the shortcut trail with five minutes of Saddle Ridge Trail before getting onto Bull Spring Trail. Good tread and a reasonable ~3kft climb up into the Mazzies. Seems like a bummer section through-hiking south. Connected with Brush Trail which was very scenic from the top of Bullfrog Canyon to the Red Hills Trail junction. Patches of conifers delight as the trail winds through the brushy burn area. No water at Brush Spring where the AZT signage ushers passers-by, but continuing west through the campsite there was some water trickling into clear pools in the creek below the spring. Views widen as the trail climbs to Red Hills.

Red Hills is the highlight stretch of the loop. Descends to the canyon bottom through an old, orange forest of ponderosa pines as nice as I've seen in the Mazzies. Interesting geology complements the forest well. There were some pools of stagnant water of varying quality in the tanks of the creek. I opted for the overlook once reaching the Mazatzal Divide Trail and headed the wrong way up that trail toward Knob Mountain for a view back over the the course of Red Hills.

Took a short break and then descended the northern end of MDT. It is the better route up or down compared to Bull Spring. The tread is smooth, the incline gentle, with better views off into the distance. Big views toward the Sierra Ancha, Deer Creek, and Tonto Basin. The views that way were pretty smokey, and over the course of the day it worked its way up around North Peak and into City Creek. Ended just as the smoke rolled through and didn't see anyone all day.
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The very end of fall in the Northern Mazzies


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S of Spring water tickling into clear pools

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Dec 26 2020
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Red Hills AZT loop, AZ 
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Run/Jog23.07 Miles 5,180 AEG
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One of those days when we decided on a route after leaving home. Set off from Doll Baby TH, for either a Bull Springs Cabin ONB or Red Hills loop. One of my friends hadn't been to the ruins yet, so we took a little side trip. Before we hit AZT, I saw a route on my map that I thought could be a shortcut; when it appeared to be heading up Bullfrog Ridge before hitting AZT, we decided to just head back down to the trail. Waste of 20 minutes or so, but gotta make it fun somehow.

At the Brush Trail junction, we decided on the loop. Brush Spring was a nice area with good camping, but dry. We blew right by the Red Hills trail junction, which I realized when it started dropping down the west side. Turns out the AZT takes a hard left, and the sign is obscured by a tree when you're heading from Brush Trail. Bonus mile I guess.

Red Hills trail was nice, the upper part of Boardinghouse Canyon was pretty.

Drop down Mazatzal Divide trail was fun, cruised a lot of the way. Got back to the car right at sunset.

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Some frozen pools in one of the upper arms along Red Hills Trail, otherwise dry.

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Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
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The last day would be a long day in spite of it being a short day. My blisters were going to cause me grief and they did; especially the last miles but nonetheless, we got 'er done. And now for the climb out of this drainage; got you warmed up really fast, but it wasn't long and the trail was decent enough. We contoured our way in the manzanita cleared pathway to where we would see what looked like an old road. I thot we would be turning right (east) but no, this is the Arizona Trail as you have to travel in the opposite direction for several miles before going in the right direction toward the Trailhead :lol: .

There was lots more flora here, some new, some still smelly, the verbena that reminded me of a gardenia smell. I'm not a fan of gardenia smell. As we got to the junction where you turn the wrong way, we could see rays of sunshine in the eastern distance hitting the landscape; always a cool site. And now we continued going up the side of this mountain until we hit fir trees for a bit which was a nice surprise. As we topped out in this section and started heading back down the other side, the rain started slowly. However, as we made more progress switch-backing our way down this side, the 20% chance of rain increased significantly.

Tracy and Shawn had pulled over into an area with a couple very small trees and were huddled under a piece of plastic trying to shelter ourselves from the 100% rain. I had my umbrella up already but decided I needed to get my rain jacket out. Shawn thot that would be a good idea and then the rain would quit. Well guess what, it did start to let up fairly quickly after I had put my jacket on.

So off we went and we would soon all be taking off our rain gear. There was some more pretty flora and you could look up at the rock cliff bands above you as well as see all the rain in the distance. It seemed to linger out there which, of course, was better than lingering here. The trail would go up and down quite a few times but it was good trail so that was nice. The flora continued including some cold poppies which were a surprise to see in this elevation. We got to the Bull Spring Trail Junction and would now be hiking on that trail (Bull Spring Mesa was above us - behind us to the west) alongside Bull Spring Canyon with its ridge to our ESE.

Eventually we would finally head east more or less for the rest of the hike. We took a break here and then headed on down the trail thru some of the area that looked like it had experienced some burn. Back a ways I had noted this red rock area and wondered if we would have to go up that...but of course. So we still had to go up and down hills and thru a nicely treed area before one last rockier than heck hill to the TH. What a relief to get here. Shawn and Tracy put on some big smiles so I could get a couple photos of them as we celebrated the "DONE" factor :app: .

We still had the 3 1/2 mile road walk with its hills too. Shawn thot it was supposed to be fairly flat but it really wasn't except for the first and last 1/2 miles. We did enjoy the views along the way and the vistas but it wasn't easy plus it was a little warmer now with the humidity in the air. We found some more flora as well so that was a nice distraction from the mission to get to the car.

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I think I got these nearly 40 miles of passages pretty well Tibberfied; I would say Tibbernated but I feel the Mazzies got the best of me. It was hard to shoot much video due to the terrain; altho for those of you that make it thru my videos you are probably eternally grateful. I don't think I would do this trek again or if I had known. I'm just past that stage I'm afraid. I'm grateful for the AZT Section Crew plugging along without nearly the whining I engage in which you can hear on the video commentary from time to time.
Kudos to those that zip thru this stuff; I do envy you. But can you twirl a baton :lol: "?

PS the geocoding and time of photos is not right. I think the photos are off by 12 hours.
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so many wildflowers. I had lots more photos. Surprise was the California poppies, even though they were closed.

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the area behind the campground has plenty of water and the drainage had water almost the whole way.
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Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
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1st trip
This was supposed to be a three day backpack, sort of a reverse Midnight Mesa Loop, but the lack of water out there forced me to turn around early. So I guess it turned into sort of training dayhike?

Mazatzal Divide #23
Car camped at City Creek Trailhead to the hum of Doll Baby Ranch. It was teeth-chatteringly cold out when I started at 5:30, definitely below freezing, and I didn't stop shivering until I was two miles up the trail and I got away from the lowlands. Trail is in great shape, as expected. The grade is constant and easy to maintain a decent pace going either up or down hill, although my uphill rate was annoyingly slow thanks to my pack weight.

Red Hills #262
The first two miles were breathtaking (literally, the temp must have dropped twenty a short distance into valley). This spared forest is beautiful and beats The Park hands down. Trail conditions continued to be great even after leaving the AZT on the far side, where footprints faded and horse tracks took over. Another stand of mostly-untouched pines lurk right before the drop off. Speaking of, that drop is ridiculously steep and I didn't look forward to climbing back out at all. Path was easy to follow all the way to the old corral and there was barely anything trickling through Fuller Seep. Took a quick break here to filter water and eat an early lunch.

Getting slightly worried about water conditions I pushed onwards, enjoying the easy trail to Midnight junction (which seemed to be in great shape from here) and beyond. 500 yards further west (at the saddle) is where things started to get dicey, and it did so slowly. First it got overgrown with some deadfall, though the tread and cairns were still easy to pick out. Then it got more dicey. A thousand yards to Wet Bottom Creek, while dancing along the ridge, is when elk tracks and two sets of cairns all diverged. Eventually I found a way down and found the anticipated majestic pool of awesome all but dried up.

This was the breaking straw. If this was dry, I figured there was no way that the branch of Sycamore Creek along my route or Dutchman Grave would have water, so I probably wouldn't see water again until Mountain Spring. That was too far out of my comfort zone, especially as my planned camping (and cramping) site was near Sycamore. Drank some water and turned around, slowly hauling my way back to Fuller Seep for an afternoon snack. Climbing up the overgrown hillside was no fun, and then climbing up the steep drop on the way back to Brush junction even less so.

Brush #249
First mile was beautiful and gave me a few good views north, then the second mile got a bit steep and rocky and I had to slow down. Bumped into two AZT section hikers near Brush Spring (there are other people who hike in the Mazzies?!?) and had a quick chat before starting those little climbs out. Sun fell while we were chatting so I only had a third of my loop to do after sunset, he he. Managed to reach the saddle between 5556' and 5610' before I finally gave in and pulled out my headlamp and sweater. Then it was some steep switchbacks in the moonlight until the next junction. All in all this trail was easy to follow, had some good views, and with the exception of that one steep rocky section during the first half, downright enjoyable.

Bull Spring #34
Had braced myself for a tough downhill on this trail and was pleasantly surprised to find it sandy, gradual, and easy on the knees. The views seemed good too, from what I could make out in the moonlight. At this point I was starting to get a bit heads-down so I'll have to hit this section again (heard the LF Hilton takes walk-ins). Last mile got a bit rocky and hard to track by headlamp, especially the little hop over Copper Mountain.

Doll Baby Road
Did not like. Those rocky sections were worse than anything on the last two trails, and the repeated little climbs after so many miles was just mean. Had to keep my headlamp on to help with navigating all the rocks and only turned it off once I hit Doll Baby trailhead. Speaking of, the road between City Creek and Doll Baby was impeccable compared to City Creek and the pavement - if you're willing to drive your vehicle of choice to the humble City Creek trailhead, the extra mile to the much more established Doll Baby is nothing.

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dry Brush Spring Dry Dry

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Fuller Seep Dripping Dripping
Several small pools of clear water w/ some green stuff on bottom, easy to filter from, barely dripping from pool to pool before sucked back into the ground.

dry SE 5395 Spring Dry Dry

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Wet Bottom Creek - Red Hills #262 Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Two tiny, stagnant pools above the trail crossing, barely worth mentioning.
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 Jackson, CA
Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
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From City Creek: up MDT23, NOBO on AZT24, road walk back to start. Didn't see any water other than the East Verde.
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AZT #24 City Creek to Doll Baby Ranch, AZ 
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City Creek Trail to Arizona Trail #23 Red Hills to Doll Baby Ranch Trail and return via road to City Creek Trail. At the time of this hike there was no water until east Fork Verde River. Trail is in good condition with the Brush Trail (part of Arizona Trail) being fairly rocky. Did run into a bear along the upper portion of the Red Hills Trail. He didn't hang around long enough for me to get a picture though. Great view all the way north to San Francisco Peaks.
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Mount Peeley to Twin Buttes, AZ 
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I have been meaning to do hike since last Spring when I saw the sign just off Twin Buttes that said Mount Peeley 48 miles. The idea of a north to south or south to north trans-Mazzie hike really appealed to me and it would give me a chance to cover several areas of new ground in the Mazzies. There was also the added bonus of knocking out a couple sections of the AZ Trail, something that is still not really on my radar, but a little closer after this weekend.

The HAZ network helped make this one possible. I ran into slowandsteady after Serena's event two weeks ago and she mentioned her and bifrost were also looking for a shuttle in the area. As it turns out they needed a car left at Peeley to complete a section of trail they were day hiking and would also be traveling to Flag later that evening. Therefore, they had no problem using my car to complete their shuttle then dropping it off at Twin Buttes on their way to Flag. I should mention though, all week I kept telling Karl yup leave it at the Pine TH, until he informed me that was not on Twin Buttes road and another 12 miles further into town. I am glad we cleared up that before I stepped off with the intention of my car being on Twin Buttes ;)

My original plans were to do this in an ambitious over night trip. However, after mulling over the miles and AEG, I figured why not make it three days and utilize my Monday off? Even with the trip scaled back to three days, I had a bad feeling about bringing Cup along. I knew from the few areas I had hiked that although it was the AZ Trail, there were certainly some rugged areas in there and I felt with the warmer temps it just might be a little taxing on Cup, so it was just Blanco and I for this quick adventure.

Even though I planned for three days and packed for three days, I told myself if day one went smooth, I would shoot for two days. I got kind of a late start on the first day, but still seemed to be making pretty good time, so I thought I would revert back to my original plan and just turn this trans-wilderness romp into an ambitious over nighter. I ended up about three miles past the Park at the junction of Red Hills and Mazatzal Divide Trail. 25 miles covered just over 11 hours of hiking and about an hour's worth of breaks and filtering water.

I thought by hitting 25 miles on my first day, I was setting myself up for a pretty easy hike out to Twin Buttes. I got a much more FOTG approved starting time, however, the going just seemed slower all day on the second day. I was happy to cover some new ground but found Brushy Trail and Bull Spring Trail to be a tad underwhelming for stretches. However, I ran into several elk along Brushy Trail which was a pleasant surprise so there were some redeeming qualities about that stretch of trail. Tons of "goat heads," or what I call goat heads made life miserable for Blanco and myself coming up the initial stretches of White Rock Mesa. Cacti the dogs easily learned to avoid, but impossible to avoid this plant for the dogs, seems to be more prevalant in cattle country. Poor Blanco could barely make it 20 feet without getting several of those balls of spikes in his pad. He even laid down in frustration and gave up at one point. The trail finally got a little more scuffed up and rocky and the goat heads passed. The trail seemed to drag a little towards the end, it got pretty warm and a few of the short climbs kicked my pumpkin a little more then they should have. We reached TH and vehicle just after 5:30 p.m. Just over 22 miles covered on second day in a little over 11 hours with probably an hour of breaks and water refills.

Overall, a nice little test of endurance and mettle. I wish I did not carry three days worth of stuff and such warm clothes. I certainly had to keep a steady pace, but it never felt too much like a death march, trails are a tad nasty in spots, but I enjoyed their ruggedness. Blanco was a perfect companion for this trip, no complaints, just hard hiking, he hit the wall a little on the first day, but led us out most of day two. In hindsight, I should have ended in Pine and knocked out that final AZT section in there, with the road miles it could still be done as an over-night I think.
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With sub-100 temps, I decided to get in another Mazzy hike.

I started out at the City Creek TH. The trail has been cleaned up from the TH to the Red Hills intersection. The CREC crew went a little past the Red Hill trail, but by then the trail is pretty wide open anyway. I went past the Red Hills trail and then the sky clouded over and a cool breeze started blowing.
I then decide to go with my original plan and go to the LF Hilton. I double back to the Red Hill trail and took that to the Brush trail, to the Bull Springs trail.

There was some recent activity on the Bull Spring trail. There were fresh footprints and cattle prints going to the cabin. I got to the Hilton, but they lost my reservation :sl:
I took Bull Spring back to FR406. Some part of the Bull Spring trail had been cleared up. The Forest Service did some work at the Doll baby TH. They setup wire mesh cages full of rocks marking the wilderness boundary. They spaced the cages so horse and people could get through. BUT, they left the gate OPEN! :o

The weather was perfect the entire day. The creeks were boon dry with an occasional small pool of water. The Bull spring looked more like a seep.

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Looked more like a seep
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Day 1: Peeley -> Windsor
Day 2: Windsor -> Horse Camp
Day 3 Horse Camp -> Brush Spr
Day 4: Brush Spr -> Doll Baby

Kept awake on the first night by a couple of dudes shooting in the air at Windsor until midnight... :o We didn't hang around in the morning so we left without full water bottles and ran low before Chilson.

Didn't see anyone else until we reached Doll Baby. We saw a snake on day 1 below Mt Catherine and a bull snake at the Park and some Javelina on the last day climbing up from Brush Spring.
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5/15—Mt. Peeley to Windsor Seep
Weather: Clear, high 70’s low 45o
Fair amount of initial climbing, but with good vistas. We could see the Mt. Peeley Road until 2 p.m.
(Road surface good, but narrow and steep. Many recreational people.)
Approx. 4 p.m. we found Bear Spring. It was running decently and the spring had been improved with concrete. We did not check Fisher Spring.
Windsor Seep 5 p.m. Great views (as usual). Very tired. At approx. 5:30 two younger men came from the Barnhart. They seemed nice, but fired their gun several times in camp at night, the last (2) times at 11:30. Nervous night, but perhaps this was just cowboy stupidity.

5/16
Did not check Windsor Seep, since I would have had to pass our marksmen’s (?) camp. We were walking by 8:45. Nice views, but uneventful, to Chilson. At Chilson, I was expecting the tanks to be full. They weren’t. I followed the pipe to the spring, which was running decently.
Lunch at Chilson, met a dayhiker, and filled the bottles at Chilson Spring. As it turned out, we needn’t have spent that extra 45 minutes. About a mile down the trail, we came to some (slightly) running pools, right across the trail. We sponged off there.
At Horse Camp Seep, water is available, but not immediately apparent. We decided to camp here (at 3:30) because it was just a bit longer to get there [Hopi Spring?], and because we knew there was water at H.C.S.
That means a longer day tomorrow, but I’ll be backtracking some of the trail I did last year.
5/17—camped at Bull Spring—badly used by cattle
5/18 Very overgrown spur trail out to LF Ranch. Glad we were going downhill. Horse carcass at the bottom of the trail, near the ranch, smelly. Hot (100o) hiking from LF Ranch.
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Been feeling funny this trip, a bit. Just nervous—about water, about guntoting campers—even though so far everything’s been fine. I put it down to severe exertion (though the trails aren’t as hard as last year, I’m not in as good of shape).
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