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Solo trip of Miners Needle Regular Route that traverses narrow, exposed cl.4 ledge above The Pick's lower pitches. Final scramble to main summit is on the south face. Afterwards, hiked over and climbed the east side Hiker's Route of WN to the summit, then rapped West Chimney route and hiked out to Peralta TH.
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Further adventures in geriatric free solo climbing.

Almost 2 years since my last visit. Took a different route this time. Ascended by the eastern route but brought a rope and gear to rappel off the western side on the way down. You could think of it as a loop going out Bluff Springs Trail and up the Bark's Canyon / Needle Canyon side, crossing the divide between the drainages at the chock-stone on Weaver's with a climb of the summit, then returning via the East Boulder Canyon / Peralta Canyon side and down the Peralta Trail. Solo, naturally.

Like most, I hike and climb because it makes me feel something. The more challenging the objective the stronger the emotions. I write about it to share the experience and to fix it in my mind, and to leave a record of the event so I can recall it later with satisfaction. I write up maybe one in ten adventures when I find I have something to say. Weaver's is such a one.

How fortunate we are to have a natural wonder in our back yard. The dimensions are similar to the Devils Tower in Wyoming, though of lower technical rating as a climb. You can drive right up to the Devils Tower and take a short loop hike around it and use the lodges, restaurants, and visitor's center near the base. A tourist destination, it is visible from miles in all directions. Weaver's, on the other hand, lies distant, enfolded in a vast wilderness. Shielded on the west from prying eyes by the colossal rampart of the Superstition Ridgeline it may be glimpsed from US60 looking north and is visible as part of the grand Superstition panorama seen from SR87 looking south. It is 13 miles at it's nearest to the Beeline, yet stands proud and mighty, brooding in it's isolation. You have to want to visit Weaver's and put in some work to get anywhere close. No person that sees it does not at some point entertain the thought of what it must be like to stand up there, and secretly wish they could some day do so. That thought first occurred to me over 50 years ago. It occurs to me still.

I can't just casually toss off a quick climb of Weaver's. This one stirs me up inside. I guess I'm a little afraid of it. I like to go solo but I feel like this one presents rather thin margins for safety. I am confident hiking alone on established trails even during the week. If something were to happen somebody would likely find me, even before my safety contacts kicked in. I make it a habit to carry extra food, clothes, and first aid kit just in case, and always come out with a liter of water. You never know when you or another hiker will have to spend more time than planned out there. This hike, with the need to carry a pack with rope, helmet, harness, and gear up over the chock-stone, required that I leave all non-essential weight behind. Solo climbing is one thing, climbing with a heavy and bulky pack is another, adding to the risk. This time no first aid kit, no extra clothes, no extra food, no extra water. More of a sortie instead of a campaign. A quick strike from the comfort of my home into the very heart of the wilderness. A raid. If I were to so much as twist an ankle, coming in from the seldom traveled east side, the whole thing goes downhill very quickly. Nervous.

When hiking or climbing in company there is interaction with other people to offer distraction from the impending risk. No such distraction when approaching Weaver's by myself. My mind engages in a series of dialectics that increase with intensity as the climb gets closer:

"Why are you doing this? You have done it before. You're getting older. Grow up for God's sake. What is left to prove?"

"Because if I don't I will wonder if I'm over the hill, and I don't want to grow up."

"Cut it short or head back now. Who will know?"

"I will." And on and on.

Then there is the conversation with the Needle as it looms up ahead:

"Who do you think you are? Puny mortal. Insignificant smudge of nothing. You can neither add to nor subtract from me. Why should I let you do this?"

"I come as a humble supplicant seeking inspiration in your grandest of sanctuaries. Please don't kill me."

That introspection intensifies until the moment when I strap on the harness, helmet, and pack, reach for a hold and take my first step up onto the wall. Then execution mode mercifully takes over. The focus required drives the voices down into the subconscious.

In fifteen minutes I'm at the chock-stone, to substantial relief. I know I can rappel down the western side from here and get out. No need for hairy down-climbing. After a brief minute I hear voices down below. Climbers are coming up. A young woman and young man, both early twenties, soloed up the west side. Like me they carry a rope but are not using it in the ascent. Not yet having the nerve to come up the west side without gear I am impressed. Other climbers up there provides further stress relief, and some disappointment. I won't have the summit to myself, but I'm equally certain that my presence has the same impact on them. We climb up the little wall, the ramp, and the final pitch together, but without gear, bringing the ropes with us. Topping out I enjoy a moment of blessed exhilaration, and then catastrophe strikes. I have forgotten my little bottle of Bowmore 18 years in my pack down at the chock-stone. Damn! Damn! Damn! Now it will have to wait. I spot the summit register entry by jtaylor just the day before. We don't know each other and I don't connect it with HAZ until the next day when I read his trip-log. Well done sir. You said you would not be back but by now you have had another day or two for it to sink in. I'm sure the idea has already crept back into your mind. Who could blame you?

After a few minutes it is time to descend. Together we set up a rope at the rappel rings located on the SW corner of the summit a few feet below the top. A nice 50 foot free hanging rappel takes us back down to the ramp. In fact, this was part of the reason I chose this route and brought the rope: rappelling from the summit of Weaver's. Real Hollywood stuff. We scramble back down the ramp and down-climb the little wall. Back at the chock-stone I finally get to celebrate properly with the Bowmore. Now THIS is living! We again set up the rappel from the rings located on the west side of the chock-stone. The 70 meter rope takes us down in one rappel not to the bottom but to a spot where down-climbing is now safe enough. Off come the helmets and harnesses. We pack up and say our goodbyes and they take off ahead with youthful alacrity. I see them ahead as I descend the west slope, gradually opening the distance between us.

I confess that hiking back out over Freemont Saddle carrying rope is an ego boost. The crowds on the trail simply cannot resist the urge to ask what I have done, and respond in wide-eyed wonder when I tell them, particularly given my obvious advancing age. I know I should not be susceptible to such trifles but it does feel rather good. 62 years, 4 months. Not done yet. Sometime too soon no doubt, but not yet.
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Funny how ideas take hold and won't let go.

A few months ago I had hiked from the Terrapin into the little basin south of Weaver's as a recon. Worked up the scree slope to the base of the Needle proper, to the rock face on the east side where the climbing begins. Someone has left an old rope hanging there. It was already late in the afternoon but I thought about trying out the first pitch. There were climbers descending the crack just above and they kept yelling "rock!" Didn't have a helmet so I left it for another time. That started the itch. Having done Weaver's a few weeks back from the west with protection and then The Razor's Edge, I kept fixating on an attempt at Weaver's from the east. My recent experiences had included some edgy stuff (for me anyway) which tends to dull your reaction to risk, but this effect has a short half-life. Also getting warmer out there so it seemed like now or never for a go at it.

Back to the present; came in late Thursday night from the east coast. My darling wife told me she had plans with the ladies for the day on Friday so I set the alarm and tried for some sleep. Tough to settle down once you know there is something big in the offing. Up with the alarm. The routine of packing up and getting going helps to distract from the nerves. Then the driving out and getting ready at the trail-head. It is real now. Love that feeling!

You catch the first glimpse of Weaver's along the Bluff Springs Trail approaching Bark's Canyon. It looms up bigger and bigger as the trail miles roll off. It's getting more real. Take the cut-off from the Terrapin past Bluff Saddle and up into the little basin. Weaver's is now a giant fang of rock rising a thousand feet above, the route up in plain view. Nobody else around. Good! That is just how I want it. Scramble up the scree slope. The east side is worse than the west side for this. No trail and only a cairn or two. Loose and crumbly. Get up to the rock face. The old rope is still there. I consider taking it down and bringing it out but I know I will be busy just looking after myself today. Can't use the rope and don't want to anyway. Don't know how long it has been there or how it is anchored and it is only your life that you trust to it if you do. Have a snack and some water. Make the final disposition as to what goes in the little pack and what stays at the base. Achingly real now. Time to go.

The old rope hangs off to the left of the first pitch as you go up. Good hand and foot holds but after you gain thirty feet any notion of safety is left behind and it is just you and the rock. Keep telling yourself "this is do-able" and focus on the rock in front of you. Make frequent mental notes about the way back down. Don't want to get off route in here, but I think if you did it would be quickly self-correcting. You would just plain run out of possible and have to back up. Some interesting moves required. This is not the scree chute on Brown's. Fifteen minutes of climbing and there is the chock-stone. Relief! I know the route from here on. Not a cake walk but at least I know. A little ten foot vertical face with good holds and then a scramble for the next few hundred feet and around a bush to the ramp. Follow that to the end past the fifty foot cliff face and climb up the last pitch. It hangs you out a bit over the west side but again the holds are excellent. Top out. Ah! Time for some Bowmore!

Didn't spend too much time up there. Just some photos and a little video. The realization that you now have to down-climb this whole thing starts to take hold. Going up is easy. Down-climbing is where bad things happen. Can't avoid looking down and there are some places where you hang out over space and simply have to lower yourself down and be confident that your foot will find something. Can't see the next hold. Just too vertical. The nerves rev up when you get back to the old rope. A few more moves and you will be down! Don't want any mishaps now, nearly done. Getting back down onto solid ground is when I finally allow myself to exhale and celebrate with a couple of well earned rebel yells and of course, more Bowmore. Deservedly or not, got away with it again.

At 60 years and 7 months I am not nearly the oldest to do this but I'm guessing that the over 60 free solo club is relatively small. Need to set the bar high for the youngsters. I realize it ain't Nanga Parbat, but it'll do.
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The plan was Weavers and then Bluff Mountain summit from the southwest ridge, back to Eli Anderson, Bluff and TH. Jackie and the pups came along for this one, however, with the expectation of being spectators for Weavers. It was apparent from the start that this was going to be a wet foggy day, however, I still held out hope that Weavers would be dry enough to summit.

Weavers was in fact dry enough and someone left a line behind making the difficult first part of the climb pretty harmless. The scramble up was slick in a few spots, but never felt in danger. Chilly, windy and zero visability on the summit. In fact, throughout the entire hike to the Needle, we never saw it until we got to its base. I kept thinking the wind might blow the fog out of there, but it never did and the fog lingered the entire day. No worries though, as I enjoyed the little climb and scramble up Weavers. After meeting back up with Jackie and the relieved dogs, we backtracked to Terrapin. I then realized that I did not upload the route of Bluff via the SW ridge, but not to be deterred, I suggested we at least walk down to that area and look for something indicating a route up. We turned off the trail at some cairns and found a few more, but I was not overly confident it was the route and felt we were most likely on the wrong ridgeline, from turning off too early. After that wasted endeavor, it was to a fun little set of waterfalls off Terrapin, where I then proposed we just complete the Dutchman, Peralta Loop since we had gone so far down Terrapin already. I told Jackie that, "I could not imagine the loop leading to more than a 12 mile day." We came in just under 16 miles after taking Terrapin down to the Dutchman and then across to the Peralta Trail for our return to the TH.

Despite the higher than expected miles and wet conditions (on and off light showers) we enjoyed the loop. We were finally able to enjoy some nice views of the relative surrounding area and the Needle around 3 p.m., the opening in the fog lasted about two hours and then it was back to 50 feet of vision for the descent down to the TH. We finally broke at 6:10 p.m. and put our head lamps on for the final few minutes on the trail.

In the end it was really nice getting out to an area in the Supes where it is hard to go wrong when there is flowing water. It could have been a little dryer, but we prevailed, however, spent several minutes discussing our regret in not bringing our rain pants. We only ran into a couple of hikers all day and never passed a person on Peralta. The loop may have been long and the conditions not ideal, but it was nice to achieve solitude in such a popular area of the Supes. The SW approach to Bluff looks cool, will probably be out there shortly, but with a route.

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Peralta Canyon Light flow Light flow

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With afternoon obligations I needed to stay close to home. I did not want to just rack up empty miles in the valley so I headed to Peralta TH. Weavers has been on my mind latel and with the ridge line not feasible, it seemed like a viable option.

The steady rain on the drive to the TH coupled with a late Friday night had me thinking miners needle loop when I got there. However, I stuck to my plan. I decided I would still go to the base of the needle and assess the situation from there.

It was raining even harder once I got to the base and that first tough climb was nothing short of treacherous. Not to be deterred I gave it a shot and was able to methodically make my through that toughest first part. I was very careful and more reserved than usual because I was solo and it was pretty slippery, but I made it to the summit in relative ease after the nasty first section.

I have done much in the Supes and can't think of too many experiences better than having the summit of Weavers to one's self. It started to rain pretty hard once I reached the top and there were a couple nice crashes of thunder along with some lightning; things were looking pretty ominous in the distance and improvement did not seem near, so I retreated back to the base after a short stay on. Down climbing that tough stretch was extra fun with the slick rock, but I made it through just fine. The rain pretty much kept me company until I reached the TH.

In the end it proved to be the perfect little hike with some bang for its buck and I was happy to be home by noon.

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After a solid hike yesterday jj mentioned crossing "over" Weavers with syoung. Albeit slightly drained I couldn't pass up the opportunity to meet Sam.

Plenty of parking available at 7am in the main lot. We headed up at an average pace crossing Fremont. Only two chilling at the saddle. One was a photographer perched over to the right. Their interest perked up when they overheard needle chatter in passing.

We headed up to the gully. The slant to the upper part still took me two tries. After watching Sam make it look easy I got it on the second attempt... keep in mind this is getting "to" the climb.

jj headed up, moving well. Then slipped just a few inches back down at the crux. That pretty much sealed the "I'll be using the rope" ten million dollar question. Elvis possessed him. Twitchy leg syndrome was alive and well. With his previous experience he was able to overcome and punched it out like a champ!

Next up I watched Sam. He's a bit of a natural. Which was a good calming quality I needed to witness! He partially pawns it off on his approach shoes.

I was ready for the rope. jj said to give a shot first. Did, but my fingers lock up so I opted for the rope again. Without a harness this round I burned up a thousand calories in the next ten minutes. Luckily there was no one to witness the event from below. Which I'm sure was entertaining to put it mildly. Probably a 0 out 10 for the style judges but hey I made it... lol On the bright side I'm getting closer with a feel for what it takes.

Hit the summit and returned down the eastern c4 route. I used the rope after getting past the difficult part. jj was right. I thought it was closer to the bottom. Now I know and should be able to at least do the eastern side without help in the future. Being pro life I'll tenderfoot this stuff as long as it takes!

Peralta was busy heading back down. jj wanted to know what was possible timewise for future trips. Something about shaving the time down so he can knock this out before work or something. I barely managed to keep up since I don't have the BobP / jlp / Dave1 super descending powers.

Great little trip, glad I got out to meet Sam!
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Hat's off to Sam on this one. He asked me last night if I had a GPS route for my recent trip up Weavers or if I was available to go in the next couple days. That took me about 2.5 seconds to respond to. I was already looking forward to going back plus I wanted to meet the Flatiron Rocket Man in person.

Joe mentioned that he wanted to meet Sam as well so the trip was a go. We had a great time out there today! I had one short scare on the way up the sketchy part. My foot slipped and I slid a bit. Harvey Butchart said "if you don't have at least one near death experience a month you aren't living". The truth is times like that humble you and make you appreciate the effort that much more when you get done and are still in one piece.

Sam came right up after me and had no trouble whatsoever. He free solo'd Weavers today on his first attempt. Pretty impressive in my book.

Joe followed Sam and opted for a hand line. I know he can do it without aid both up and down. It just appears that he was the smarter one in the group today.

We enjoyed the summit for a shot bit and then headed down the eastern side. Once at the base we skirted around and headed back on the trail in which we came.

Really enjoyed meeting Sam and hope to hike with him again. Either on this continent or another. As for Joe, he is always entertaining and great to hike with.

Good times were had!
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So yesterday (1/17/15) I had the crazy idea of perhaps attempting the C4 route to the summit of Weaver’s. I had read JuanJaimeiii’s recent triplog covering his recent ascent and got my brain churning. I sent off a message to him asking about his GPS route and he was gracious enough to offer to offer his services in guiding me to the top. Joe Bartels made the journey with us as well and made the trip that much better/easier.

To say Weaver’s is a unique/magical experience is an understatement. I had always had a pipe dream of climbing to the top of this pile of rocks but never put much thought into it. Here I was, however, at 7am starting off into the morning twilight towards the jagged peak. We made a decent clip up and over the saddle into the wilderness. Upon reaching the base of the needle the fun really began.

The climb up the western face was intense. While the actually moving around on the rock wasn’t too difficult, the creeping thought of what would happen with a slip had to be kept at bay. I just focused on the few feet in front of me; hand goes here, foot goes here, etc. I was never so happy to remove my pack and shimmy through a tight place than when I reached the chock stone. The rest of the scramble to the top was fun, if not a bit unnerving at times with loose rocks and cliff edges.

We all spent a few moments at the summit enjoying the view before heading back down. We decided that the eastern approach would be best; I certainly did not feel comfortable down climbing the western route. Just about back to the saddle and I found myself going down a cliff I shouldn’t have been. I made my way down as far as I could before taking a leap of faith of about 4 feet onto a rock. I was no worse for wear other than a slight stumble.

The eastern descent went by really quickly and we soon found ourselves making our way back to the main trail. Overall this was one of my top hiking/climbing experiences and am quite fortunate that JuanJaimeiii and Joe Bartel allowed me to tag along on this adventure!
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Just another awesome hike in what is turning out to be a very memorable summer hiking campaign. Took the invite from Bob, invited my friend Jim along. Jim has been an avid hiker in the Supes for nearly 20 years and has always dreamed of reaching the top of Weaver's Needle. Today he got his chance and he took full advantage along with the five of us.

Just a very cool experience! I thought the rental fee Joe was charging to use his rope was a little high so I chose to free climb up, and as much as I wanted to get some rappel action, I chose to free climb down as well. I am ready for the west side JJ ;)

Both climbs/scrambles went great, the summit was about what you can imagine and ten time more, the temps were perfect and it was nice to finally add Joe to my very humble hiking partners list. Likewise, I know Jim really appreciated the opportunity and enjoyed the hike, kind of hard to find new things to do in the Supes when you have been hiking them for 18 years, but I think we found something a little bit different for Jim today ;)

Only thing I would have changed was the amount of rope "I carried" out, carried out 60 meters of rope, probably could have left in car ;)
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Bumble Bee, Wiki Wally, F(T)OTG-LC-XYZ, "Jim" & I threaded the needle in celebration of our independance. Temps never cracked 91 degrees. The humidity felt thick at times. Other times it felt tropical when breezy. Cloud cover kept the sun in check for the majority.

Took my ridiculously heavy static 60m/10mm + heavy harness to keep things safer with more guys in the pack. Wally & primarily Lee deserve the scrolling credits for carrying gear. Not necessary yet nice and solid compared to recent rappels on the slightly dynamic 7mm with an ultra lightweight harness.

Bob zipped up first with the rope like a trooper as usual. Everyone made it up without issue. Lee ascended and down climbed without the rope. He had a couple wide eyed moments yet kept cool and moving.

The summit is 5-10 min from the chockstone. With the larger group we took more time on top. It was nice to check out the views and soak it all in.

It was great to meet Lee & Jim. Especially cool being there with Wally & Jim. They have probably pondered that needle more than most so I'm glad I got to join in on their journey.

Took 4 quarts, consumed 3. 6 vehicles in the lot near noon was shocking. We passed several groups returning on Peralta.
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wallyfrackTriplogs 1,691
Hiking8.35 Miles 3,115 AEG
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3,115 ft AEG   2 Hrs    Break
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I had nothing going on the morning of July 4th so why no get up at 3:30am take a hike to Weavers Needle. I wasn't sure I would ascend the Supes monument but with the cloud cover I thought it may just be a nice hike even in July. We got to the base of the needle and I was pretty sure I should have brought a good book to read while I waited. Bob climbed up and dropped a rope, Joe climbed up, Jim climbed using the rope, Lee climbed up and I sent mine & Joe's packs upon a the rope. Oh what the heck, I think I can hang onto a rope and ascend a class 4 grade and so it went. The climb after the initial 40m feet is fairly easy. There were a few spots that required a look at first but doable. We relaxed on the summit and took it all in fora while. After we climbed down for the final rappel,a few drops of rain fell but that was it. On the hike out, it was surprising to see several people hiking on Peralta trail but in retrospect they were the sane ones. Needle Madness, where does it end? :lol:
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Weaver's Needle Summit - East c4 RoutePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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BobPTriplogs 3,212
Hiking8.35 Miles 3,115 AEG
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I’m not a disciple of Paramahsa Yogananda but I have practiced some of what he has preached and his book is a must read. Dennis Weaver endorses it and so does Gary Wright. I just closed my eyes and felt my body lifting freely above the skies and I just happened to be on Weaver’s Needle. It wasn’t a dream; it was freakin awesome.

Jealousy or Jelly can be a good thing or it can eat your heart away. In this instance, it was a good thing. Why you ask? I sent out a pm to 3 individuals who have been killin it lately. Joe, JJ and Dave have visited temples and prominent Super landmarks while I’ve been riding the Dumbo ride. Well Joe came back with availably that worked for me and I sent a pm to others and a group was formed. Some slept soundly the night before but others didn’t sleep much because of the anticipation.

BrunoP awoke at 2:45am and I took him for a short walk and explained to him why he couldn’t join us today. He sulked a little and then jumped back on the bed while I grabbed a banana and some honey nut toasted oats. I jumped back in bed and with my right leg hanging over the edge so as not to fall back asleep. My eyes were open and my mind was fixated on Dr. Seuss and Teenage Mutant Ninjas. Fast forward and it was time to get dressed and pack my pack.

You can hear Joe coming from two streets over and he was 10 minutes early but luckily I was ready and touched the white button that pulls the protection layer between inside and outside. I pressed the black button to open the storage area for Joe and we were off to pick up Wally Supes. We arrive 12 minutes early but he was waiting for us. We arrived at Peralta TH 15 minutes early and the other two had already started hiking leaving us a note which was hard to read.

The 6th line of Dream Weaver is… I believe we can reach the morning light…..The morning light on Weaver’s Needle was not brilliant like I’ve seen it at times but today it had a whole nother meaning. My mind was on a friend who I will some day meet on the other side. Meet me on the other side is a line in the song and my friends face came to me as I closed my eyes. My emotions were in check and I smiled and did what we did together on another lesser holiday. Tears filled my eyes today but they were tears of joy.

Thanks Joe for making this happen and good to see Wally and Lee and to meet Jim. It is a day I will never forget.
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Jun 26 2014
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 Joined Jan 30 2011
 Chandler, AZ
Weaver's Needle Summit - East c4 RoutePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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JuanJaimeiiiTriplogs 2,400
Hiking8.45 Miles 3,023 AEG
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So I had some work to do on the steps for my hot tub. The wood is getting a bit dry from the sun. Normally I stain them every couple years but recently I saw this new product from Behr called "Deck Over". It is a slip resistant heavy duty coating for old and dry wood. :-k

Anyway, Joe sent over a PM suggesting something about an early morning Weavers Needle attempt. Something about going at it from the eastern side that is rated as a class four. I had heard that the east was easier than the west but still a bit sketchy. When I was up there earlier this year with Amy and Mark I looked down the eastern side. From above I couldn't determine the level of difficulty so I figured I would come back some day. Well heck isn't this perfect! I can go check it out from below with Dave and Joe!

So at first light we start heading up the Bluff Springs Trail. 1, 2, 6 and we are at the base of Weavers needle. Upon checking it out it looks pretty good. The guys suggest I go up first. After a short bit Joe says "wait let me throw the rope up to you". He does and I continue on up. There was some webbing to tie onto about mid way. I tied the rope for the guys and kept going. Before you know it I was standing on the ledge above the chock stone. Holy Moly I was feeling elation! I already knew that from here up was 100% doable without issue.

Then some time passed and then some more passed. Where are the guys? Joe hollers for me to come back down to the webbing and untie the rope and pull it through. They had decided to double it over so they could rappel back down with the harness Dave brought.

So this gets done and they come up without issue. From the ledge above the chock stone we all scurried up to the summit. It was a short and sweet visit and then back down we went.
Dave had to be at work by 11 so there wasn't much time to mess around. On the way down I free climbed it and the boys chose to rappel. Then it was a short trip around the base of the Needle and down to the Peralta Trail.

We figure we could do the round trip hike and climb in 4 to 4:30 hours. This one took a little over 5 and a half.

Dave went to work, Joe and I had some Del Taco and then I went to Home Depot and got my Deck Over product. Got those steps taken care of so no more staining in the future!

Now that is a Good Day!
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Jun 26 2014
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 Phoenix, AZ
Weaver's Needle Summit - East c4 RoutePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Dave1Triplogs 1,802
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Wow, didn't think I'd ever get on top of Weaver's! Thanks again, Joe and JJ!

We were supposed to meet at Peralta TH at 4:50am but I was running about 5 minutes late. They had already started before I arrived so I had to play catch-up. Trust me, you don't ever want to have to catch up to these guys! We took Bluff Springs to the Cross Cut trail so we could access the east side of Weaver. I was expecting to take Peralta in both directions so I wore shorts. Big mistake. The off-trail part to the base of the needle is quite brushy.

I had been to the east side before about 3 years ago and didn't really feel like there was a "safe" route up so I was skeptical when Joe suggested it. But knowing J&JJ's route finding skills, I figured I should probably go. At the east side base, of course JJ went up right away. Joe was next but turned around about 15-20' up. Then my turn. Went up a few feet and knew I could do it but didn't like the thought of down-climbing it. Joe and I decided it would be best to have JJ set up the rope so we could rappel back down if needed. The 7mm ropes (one at 70' and the other 45') we brought are real stretchy so we tied the ends together and had JJ loop it through the existing anchored webbing so we could rappel with "2" ropes. So the first climb was about 75' and then it was another 30' or so climb in a notch to the top of the infamous chockstone. JJ was pretty excited to get to this point as he knew it was a relatively easy scramble to the summit from here. I was still nervous about going back down. Above the chockstone is a 12' non-exposed climb. It didn't give us much trouble. Beyond that was about another 300 vertical feet of mixed class 2, 3 and 4 to the top. Most of it is just a blur to me at this point.

It was very surreal being on top. Hard to believe we actually made it as the climbs all seemed to go by so quickly and were much easier than I was expecting. But with all the down-climbing heavy on my mind, it was difficult to enjoy the summit. We spent about 10 minutes on top and then headed back down. Everything went well and we even found a bypass to one of the more difficult down-climbs. None of it seem really exposed to me. Maybe just that one bypass part that sort of hung out over the west side a bit but even that wasn't too bad. Joe and I rappelled the last 70' while JJ stayed true to his "non-roped" ascent and descent of the needle.

We finished by looping around the base of the needle to the west side and then picked up the use trail to Peralta Trail and back to Peralta trailhead.

Can't wait to go back! :y:
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Jun 26 2014
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Weaver's Needle Summit - East c4 RoutePhoenix, AZ
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Two days ago I stumbled upon Sid's crosscut triplog. He mentioned a c4 route on the east. jj had already done the popular west side and thought there may indeed be a c4 route on the flip side. Dave wasn't convinced as he'd gandered the east in the past. However I thought with his spanking new "I'm a Brahma Pimp" bumper sticker he's sportin' he might see it in a different light.

In the back of my mind I had a 60% success rate. For over a decade I've pretty much been able to take Sid's advice to the bank. On the flip side Brahma pushed me back a tad with a c4 route that required upper body strength outta my league. Big whoop... any hike in the Superstitions is a good hike in my mind so off we went to check it out.

From the bottom the route looked better than I'd hoped. jj went up the pitch. I threw him a 7mm before he got out of my stellar ten foot throwing radius. Next I took a stab. Going up wasn't that bad. After 15 feet I wanted to be sure I could get down. Stretching to a foot hold I got a foot cramp. That flipped the forget it switch.

Dave and I took a longer than jj approved time measuring ropes. "Hold tight"... "jesus what's going on down there". Okay concentrate... how do we tie a heimlich I mean klemhiest knot. We figured it out then both ascended in sound mind knowing we could get down without issue.

There is a lot more scrambling but nothing of major concern. The top was cool. I was pretty much in disbelief it was real and actually happened. jj free climbed down the pitch while Dave and I rappelled. I look forward to coming back with sleep and trying without the rope.

4 outta 5, it's not a Temple...

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Weaver's Needle Summit - East c4 RoutePhoenix, AZ
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pseudalpineTriplogs 1,290
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