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West Pinto - Spencer Spring Loop - 3 members in 5 triplogs have rated this an average 2.3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Spencer Spring Trail #275Globe, AZ
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Decided to spend 3 days getting my butt kicked by the Superstition Wilderness. And a solid kicking was indeed delivered!

Day 1: Drove to Rogers Trough TH (road is in excellent condition), observed a small army of vehicles at the trailhead, and headed southeast to finish off AZT segment 18 and make my way over to Spencer Spring Trailhead. I made pretty good time. Got passed (and passed) several motorized groups. A few offered water, and one declined assistance after a spill off their motorcycle.

Spencer Springs trail is one of a few left in the Supes I've never done, and my hope was that the fire had reduced the overgrowth. Unfortunately there are several problems with the trail, both due to the fire and the lack of maintenance. The trail suffers from erosion, overgrowth, and not-existingness. While the first half mile was somewhat reasonable for a trail that sees maybe 5 hikers a year, once you get past Spencer Springs, everything goes to hell. The trail goes along the side and top of a ridge for about 2 miles. The ridge appears to have been burned to moonscape by the fire, and what's regrown is mainly grass, lots of grass. Furthermore, the erosion has made it so that the trail is not really visually any different from the surrounding land. Everything, including the trail, is covered in grass (and some other brush.) The good news is that it is fairly easy to plow through. The bad news is that the only way you can tell if you are on the trail is to feel with your feet where it is slightly harder pack ground, but that doesn't always work. I got off trail many, many times, thankfully the GPS track is pretty good to help find it again.

After the ridgeline the trail dumps you into the canyon bottom, but does a ridiculous steep climb up the other side before disappearing into fireburn and some overgrowth. Do yourself a favor and simply stay in the canyon bottom. In fact, staying in the creekbed is the key, as the rest of the "trail" attempts to wind its way along the creekbed on small benches. Nearly every bench is horrifically overgrown with catclaw. I abandoned the trail after a few follies in plowing through the stuff. Stay in the creekbed!

Behind schedule, I camped along Spencer Spring creek (there is a nice flow through the canyon) after following the creekbed to a 40 ft waterfall, and realizing it was getting pretty late to find the trail that goes around it. Unfortunately a skunk decided to spray very near my tent sometime that night...my guess is that I may be the first human it had encountered and it disliked my presence...or maybe I snored and scared it...who knows?

Day 2: Finished the SS trail the next morning. Luckily, the final half mile of trail has escaped the fire and is a pleasant stroll through a patch of surviving forest. In fact, everything west, south, and east of Oak Flat, for about 0.5 miles in each direction, appears to have escaped the blaze. However, the creekbed is now about 40 feet wide, full of sand and small gravel, and there seems no surface water in this area for roughly a third of a mile in any direction. This may hamper those who desire to camp at Oak Flat.

I had planned to explore the Cuff Button trail, but the horrific trail conditions, lack of surface water in the creek nearby, and slow progress thus far made me change plans to just cancel this part of my trip. I headed up West Pinto trail. I was initially thrilled because for about the first 0.75 miles the West Pinto trail was in wonderful shape. But then my hopes were dashed as within the next 0.25 miles it turned into a brutal bushwhack through shrub oak, until I reached the first crossing of the creek. I took a break here. In retrospect it would have been easier to just abandon the trail at Oak Flat and hike upstream in the creekbed to get to this point. Legends of a trail crew clearing the entire WP trail have clearly been exaggerated, though they did do a great job as far as they got.

As I took a break, I filtered some water and contemplated hiking the creekbed upstream vs continuing on taking the trail along the north side of the creek. I regrettably decided on the trail because I wasn't sure if the entire creekbed would be navigable headed upstream. (It is, except for a minor 15 ft waterfall that is easily skirted.) Future travelers should definitely take the creekbed option, hiking in the creekbed to the Silver Spur Cabin drainage.

The next 2 miles of West Pinto trail was the most horrible catclaw gauntlet I can recall on an actual named trail in the Superstitions. In some places along the trail it was so bad I had to push into it backwards to get it to give enough that I could start snapping off some of the canes with my feet. The after-trip assessment shows that I received significantly more shredding to my head, torso, thighs and back of my arms than I can recall on any previous hike. This accompanies the typical damage of the forearms, shins, and ankles. In addition to the catclaw downside, the trail is significantly eroded in this section and pitches towards the creek side, trying to get the hiker to lose their balance and tumble down the steep cliff to their death. I recommend others skip this section of trail.

Where the trail returns down to the creek, I hiked along the creekbed a short ways until I set up camp on a nice sandy berm on a rather wide stretch of canyon bottom (newly created from the erosion debris.) Luckily no skunks bothered me this second night.

Day 3: Continued hiking up the creekbed and explored the Silver Spur Cabin site. I found it easily. It seems someone has organized the remains into nice little piles. One pile of metal poles, one pile of tin roofing, one pile of the rusty stove bits, and a final pile of miscellaneous rusty junk. Not very interesting, but I crossed it off my list.

From this point the trail leaves the creek, and I followed it. Initially there was a bunch of catclaw to fight but very quickly the trail goes through serious eroded hills where dodging the catclaw proved slightly easier. The trail is pretty much nonexistent here, but as you continue climbing (steeply) the trail does eventually become recognizable. What I remember as the ridgeline full of manzanita has become the ridgeline full of shrub oak. The fire killed off all the manzanita save about 3 plants. In fact, where the trail is built at the very pinnacle of the ridgeline, it was perhaps marginally improved as the fire burned away nearly all the overgrowth.

After the serious steep climb, the disheartening plummet down to Iron Mountain Spring sank my spirits as the trail routing loses a large amount of elevation gain that you struggled with on the ridgeline. A small patch of forest survives here near Iron Mountain Spring, but is quite tangled with overgrowth. The campsite is no more and the concrete tank had been taken over and hidden into the overgrowth. The trail through this section is a disaster as the mountainside above is eroding heavily, washing out significant sections of the trail. Soon, I reach the final switchbacks that are also eroding, but generally burned clear of vegetation, until I crest Iron Mountain Saddle. From here, the last bit is easy, the trail is in reasonable shape and this segment of the West Pinto trail to the west of the saddle seems to have survived untouched by the fire. Only the last 300 yards of trail to connect to the Rogers Canyon trail are choked with catclaw, but most of the mile plus descent was fairly pleasant.
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dry Cement Spring Dry Dry
I did not see any water enter the creek from this direction. The actual spring seemed to be in the middle of a burned, catclaw filled thicket.

dry Crockett Spring Dry Dry
Where the spring is on the map was dry, and this side creekbed was entirely dry. If there was water here it would be entirely underground.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Iron Mountain Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
A little more than a gallon per minute flow was spilling down the drainage...did not trace it to the true spring source.

dry Oak Flat Spring Dry Dry
I did not see any surface water looking in this direction. I only saw a field of dry grass.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Rogers Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Several gallons per minute flowing down the creekbed. The spring is offtrail and I didn't investigate.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Spencer Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Seemed to be pumping out at least 2 gallons per minute. The nearby trough is dry as the pipes are likely clogged.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Spencer Spring Creek Light flow Light flow
Light flow of several gallons per minute along the creek, it disappears underground on a few occasions.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max West Fork Pinto Creek Light flow Light flow
There is a nice surface flow of several gallons per minute that flows nearly the entire canyon. The only time it seems to go underground is within about 0.3 miles upstream of oak flat.
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Mar 20 2015
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Miles Ranch, AZ 
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Our 17th annual spring break trip for the 2-3 of us (Max and I haven’t done all 17 but Jim has). Good times.
This year we chose Miles Ranch and must give some HAZ appreciation to Lee for sure on this one: thanks for all the suggestions and useful info.

After 30 years of AZ hiking I finally make it to one of FOTG’s favorites :lol: I’m not sure why I hadn’t been here but I think perhaps the massive open pit mines had something to do with it.

Day 1
West Pinto out to Spencer and up to Cement Spring. On the way back we took Cuff Button up to a bit beyond Jerky Spring which was down the side slope.
We got about 3 hours rain in late afternoon but it eased up by 6pm.

Day 2
Paradise to Government Hill ridge and over to Bull Basin. We saw a total of 8 deer (one large buck) on the ridge part of this trip. The descent to Bull Basin we got in some heavy brush that was gnarly :sweat: On our return to Miles we saw 2 Toyotas with HAZ decals :)

Day 3
Out and back from Haunted Canyon upper TH. Saw one hiker, the only person we saw all weekend.

Stopped at AZW on the way back :)
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West Pinto - Spencer Spring LoopGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
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I started from Roger's Trailhead on West Pinto, then to Spencer Spring, and returning along FR650 road. The Spencer Spring trail lived up to its reputation over the last 2 miles or so. The overgrowth was not as bad for me as the route finding. I'd recommend going in the first 2-2.5 miles from W. Pinto and not going further.

Trail Conditions
West Pinto - amazing, even better than last time. The early part just out from roger's trailhead has been cleaned up and a sign installed at the confusing area. No overgrowth really to speak of, a stray plant here or there. Easy to follow and beautiful.

Spencer Spring (estimated mileages from West Pinto Trail
(0-2.5 miles) A relaxing and beautiful hike. Not too much overgrowth and fairly easy to follow. Someone put up a lot of cairns and I added more where I ran into problems. Some spots do get a little tricky, but since you are always very close to the stream, its hard to get too far off course
(2.5-3 miles) The trail becomes pretty hard to keep track of, mostly there are just cairns every so often to make you feel not lost. Finding and keeping a trail can be extremely difficult in this section.
(3-3.6 miles) This is where you have to look for the climb up the northern side of the canyon, as mentioned in the description. If you manage to find the trail up, it is very faint and disappears in some parts. I lost it completely and had to bushwack around for awhile, even with a GPS in hand and the route downloaded from here.
(3.6=4.3 miles) This section was also hard to follow, but not nearly as bad. The trail is faint and easy to lose, but with GPS you can keep it. Its also high up now, so you can many times see where it is going. There were sections of extreme overgrowth, but 99% of the plants I had to push through had no thorns (no catclaw), so it was a matter of raising my arms up and just walking through the dense and tall brush. The trail wasn't too hard to follow in this overgrown section, as any other direction was impassible for the most part.

FR650 road. Easy enough after the climb up. It goes quick after Spencer. The 'short cut' to roger's trailhead seemed to start out just along a creek. I didn't bother with it as the sun had already set and I didn't need another route finding disaster with no light. I got back to the trailhead via the road in about 20 minutes from the short cut turn off anyway, so I can't imagine it saving that much time.
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West Pinto - Spencer Spring LoopGlobe, AZ
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I was just checking out the "W" listed hikes in our hike data base, and came across THIS ONE :roll: , which brought back some very vivid memories of how two of us spent APRIL FOOLS DAY-2006!!

On that beautiful April Fools Day, our original plan was to hike the W.Pinto Trail#212 from Rogers Trough TH (leaving at 9:30am) to the other end at the Miles TH, then back... this would have been an 18 mile hike, but by the time the two of us arrived at the Spencer Tr intersection with the West Pinto Tr (about 7 miles in), we were already so chewed-up from catclaw and frustrated with so much trail overgrowth and negotiating downed trees on that West Pinto Tr section, that we decided it had to be easier to take the Spencer Tr#275, its ~4.6 miles back up to FR650 and then just walk on the forest road, the ~3.5 additional miles back to our vehicle and Rogers Trough TH.

Little did we know what was in-store for us on the Spencer Trail hike section... I won't bore you with all the details, but this LONG 4.6 mile SPENCER TRAIL HIKING SECTION is without doubt, the most difficult route finding hike I have yet to do in the past 3 years I have been hiking the Superstitions. It is really a beautiful, scenic view trail with a lot of elevation gain and loss and running seasonal creeks, BUT once you hike in for a distance, once committed!!.. The overgrowth-cats claw on this trail is very bad and there are numerous spots where the carins just end or become very confusing and you can and probably will wander around trying to find the next correct segment of the trail. IF hiked correctly and IF this loop hike really is 14 miles (I think it is more like 16 miles with the walk on FR650), then on 4/1/06 my hiking buddy and I wandered around to find the correct trail for an additional 1 mile at least. With the Superstition Wilderness Map, a GPS, and two of us to sort out the options, we finally arrived at FR650 at 6:30pm,(30 minutes before dark).. then we hiked on FR650 for 2 miles after dark, then I waived down a pick-up truck for a ride the additional ~1.5 miles back to ROGERS TROUGH TH and our vehicle... I think it was after 10:30pm before we arrived home!... IF you decide to do this loop hike, just re-read and note: ALL THAT IS DETAILED IN THE ORIGINAL HIKE WRITE-UP STILL APPLIES TO THIS LOOP HIKE..and..THEN SOME! I am glad I did this hike as it was a big accomplishment for me, but next time I plan a hike on April Fools Day, I will put a lot more thought into where I decide to go when I plan to start hiking at 9:30am.. 8)
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I've wanted to make this hike for some time and my buddy Paul agreed to tackle it with me on Tuesday, December 28th. It was a nice partly sunny day with temperatures in the low 40's when we started and they hit the lower to mid 50's by noon. After a 1 ¾ hour drive from South Scottsdale, we pushed off at 8:15 from the Rogers Trough Trail Head in a clockwise direction. After 15 minutes, we were up the hill at Rogers Spring which was flowing nicely. It took us about ½ hour to make the 700 ft. climb to the first saddle on south side of Iron Mountain. The views into the eastern Superstitions and Pinto Peak to the northeast were stunning. After heading down the 400 ft. eastern slope of Iron Mountain to Iron Mountain Spring, (dry), the trail heads 300 ft. up a drainage north to a ridge that runs pretty much due east. From the saddle to the top of this ridge there was evidence of the Forest Service having been out doing some recent trail maintenance. The trail was not overgrown at all and was in very good shape. From the top of this ridge it's pretty much a steady down hill all the way to Oak Flat and the intersection with the Spencer Spring Trail. While all of the leaves were down at Oak Flat, it is still a pretty place. It took us 3 hours to traverse the 6.5 miles to the end of the West Pinto Trail at Oak Flat.

As we started the gradual climb up Spencer Creek, I shed my fleece and was quite comfortable in just a t-shirt. Having been on this part of the trail before, I knew what lay ahead, and wasn't looking forward to it. (smile) As Fritzski has pointed out, the trail doubles back at the 9.5 mile mark as it crosses the creek for the last time. From this point the trail is faint at best and a real bush whack. One can get 5 feet off the trail and not know it. Cairns are pretty much non-existent and the climb up hill is steep and very overgrown. (Some serious Forest Service maintenance is needed on this 1 mile stretch.) We eventually arrived at Spencer Spring where it was decision time. We saw the cairns pointing out the trail heading due south up steep hill to Forest Service Road 650. Rather than hike the road, we elected to continue west up the creek. We figured this "short cut" would save some mileage and save some time. (We had some concerns about rain in the forecast.) WRONG! I should know better by now.

It was a fun scramble up the creek bed but it was slow going picking one's way around the various obstacles. Our plan was to hit the old closed off portion of the Forest Service road that winds down into Spencer Creek a little ways. While no longer drivable, it is a virtual highway for hiking. (This closed road is clearly, and accurately, shown on the Beartooth Map. The Forest Service has erected an earthen berm where it intersects FR 650.) Unfortunately, we stayed in the creek bed too long and instead of intersecting this old road, we ended up paralleling it. (One wants to stay well right of the creek bed and out of the "green" area on the topo map so as to intersect this closed road.) Then to make matters worse, we got sucked into heading south up what appeared to be a clear exit up a drainage to FR 650. This was a virtual lobster trap that ended up with a ridiculous bush whack up the last 100 ft. to the road. We ended up hitting FR 650 a good ¼ mile east of our planned exit. From there it was roughly a mile and a 1/2 and 30 minutes back to the trailhead. Originally, we planned on taking the shortcut back to the trail head, (it's easy to find as it's where the creek bed crosses the road between to hills), but by this point in time, we had had enough of bush whacking short cuts. (smile) Actually, it didn't look to bad at all and it probably would have gotten us back just as quickly. ½ dozen one, 6 the other. In retrospect, I'd still recommend exiting up the creek, (provided you hit the old road), rather than slogging up the hill from Spencer Spring and hiking 3 miles of FR 650. All told, our GPS unit had the loop right at 14 miles and it took us 6 ½ hours with a 15 minute lunch break. It was a lot of work and I was thoroughly exhausted at the end.
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