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Pine Mountain Verde Rim Loop - 28 members in 79 triplogs have rated this an average 3.9 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Oct 17 2024
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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From Salt Flat TH, I took Willow Spring Trail up and Pine Mountain Trail down. This direction worked well - there are good views west on the descent on Pine Mountain Trail. The trails are in decent shape but often faint. I think it's because they don't get used much, not that they aren't maintained. I briefly lost the trail on the Verde Rim Trail section near the (current) summit. Getting to the summit is a short bushwhack.

And I don't think they get used much because the road is rough and rocky. It took me an hour to drive the last 7 miles (in both directions). I did it in my Subaru Forester and maybe scrapped a couple times.
 
Nov 04 2023
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Pine Mtn Not a Trail Loop, AZ 
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
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Despite reading my last triplog that reiterated how terrible this road is, I somehow still didn't remember how terrible this road is. It's probably a good thing because this wilderness likely stays a little more wild as a result. A warm day for early November, topping out over 80 in the sun, but mostly in the low 70s. Still not that brisk chill you expect in autumn at this elevation.

We headed up Nelson and stayed right hitting Pine Mtn 14 instead of the more direct route on Willow 12. Headed north along the rim to the summit and managed to enjoy a nice break despite the single worst air quality day I have ever hiked in here. Prescribed fires filled the air with smoke and limited views to less than 30 miles. At least it wasn't thick enough to make breathing difficult!

The return part of the loop was eventful. We opted to skip Willow once again and follow a route I had previously taken. I'll call it North Sycamore Creek, though it isn't really named on maps. Of course, I missed this turn too, and had to backtrack a bit once I realized it. I was following a previous route I'd taken, but I didn't remember that it's not a trail. At all. Gravity helped out, and I'd rather do this kind of thing downhill. There was a faint route in places, but mostly just bushwhacking for a couple of miles until we got back to Nelson.

Saw a fair amount of bear and lion scat, but the only living beasts were deer and a good number of turkeys.
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Brilliant yellow oaks at their peak. A few spots with some red maples.

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Plenty of good clear flow
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Nov 14 2022
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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The road to the trailhead (FR68) is very passable but really rough - lots of exposed rocks and a few drops or steps. You need a high clearance vehicle - be it 2x or 4x and no, a Subaru will not make it.

Nelson Trail #159: Fairly easy to follow but lots of large leaves on the trail this time of year. It is very scenic hiking along the creek.

Willow Springs Trail: Reasonably easy to follow at first, but dead fall and over growth make it hard to follow as you follow the trail. Around .5 mile from the junction, you will see a trail going straight - do not follow it! Instead, turn right and follow the drainage up to the Verde Rim trail.

Verde Rim Trail: Over grown and hard to follow but otherwise in good shape. Very scenic with great views once you reach to the summit of Pine Mountain.

Pine Mountain Trail: Very overgrown and tons of downfall with a steep descent. Not my favorite trail.

Overall, it was an enjoyable hike for most of the journey. The trails seemed much less defined than prior years.
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Jun 26 2022
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Apr 15 2022
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Nelson Trail #159Camp Verde, AZ
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My plan for this backpacking trip didn't really work out because of the lack of water. The only available water appeared to be within 1 mile of the trailhead from a series of 4 springs that collectively appear to be called Nelson Place spring.

If I would offer a suggestion it would be to explore the Pine Mountain Wilderness via dayhiking. The Salt Flat campground area is pretty nice, though you have to bring all your water with you.

I would also warn potential backpackers that other triplogs reporting water for "several miles along the start of their hike" probably aren't really counting their distance and don't realize that the water ends after the first mile.

While the Nelson trail was in good shape, most of the other trails are in poor condition. The worst was the Salt Flat connector trail, and the second worst was the Verde Rim trail. Surprisingly you will find cows along every trail, including at the top of Pine Mountain itself!

I ran through 90% of my water when I was only halfway through my Saturday loop, likely due to the higher than forecast temperatures, so I struggled to finish the trip.

Takeaways:
The spring fed areas along Nelson trail are very nice, and I was surprised to see all the trout.
Pine Mountain is an enjoyable destination, and there are great views of the entire Mazatzals from the top.
The rest of the trails suffer from significant overgrowth. Some also suffer from not-existingness in sections. There was easily a half mile stretch of Pine Flat trail where I didn't see any evidence of a trail.
For some reason, once you get away from Nelson trail by more than a quarter mile (except Pine Mtn itself), you will only see Junipers, no pine trees.

Driving: Lots of triplogs speak to road conditions. I would say the last 7 miles to the trailhead is rated a high clearance rd. I think 2wd with limited slip differential or else 4wd is helpful due to the rough road. From highway 17 to trailhead took 60 minutes. From trailhead to highway 17 took 56 minutes.
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dry Beehouse Canyon Dry Dry

dry Beehouse Spring Dry Dry
I was on the lookout for this spring, but didn't see anything wet.

dry Bishop Spring Dry Dry
No water in this area that I saw, perhaps I didn't go far enough off trail downcanyon?

dry Black Alder Spring Dry Dry
Perhaps I missed the spring, but didn't find anything.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Nelson Place Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
A lifesaver. Collectively the 4 different areas water came out of the ground probably add up to 100 gallons per minute.

dry Willow Spring Dry Dry
Perhaps I missed the spring, but didn't find anything.
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Apr 04 2022
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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Perfect weather to hike to the Verde Rim. The views were outstanding. The view across the Verde River Valley is the most Grand Canyon-like view I have seen in Arizona besides the Grand Canyon! Fair amount of water in the first couple miles of the hike. I was surprised.
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If fall's taught me one thing it's don't be an early bird because all you get is worms. Finally timed a fall trip right and got to see the Pine Mountain Wilderness in a full turn. From the lowest sycamore to the highest oak, along with the trees of Bishop and Sycamore Creeks, it was all at peak. Wanted to give the Pine Mountain - Verde Rim Loop a go for the color, and I couldn't help but stretch it out and add Turret Peak. 8 miles on the incomparable Verde Rim with two of the most scenic summits in central AZ, plus fall color all around the wilderness area, admittedly looks a lot better on paper. Not sure I'd ever do this again.

The drive in was an hour and half from the 17, about an hour of which was spent on the final road's last five miles. One creek crossing in Dugas. I'm more cowardly and strapped for cash than most drivers, but I would personally not chance it with mid-clearance or lower. Only people I saw all day were two pairs of hunters who were driving out as I was driving in.

Nelson through Willow Springs a near perfect turn of sycamore and oak, but the real show is on Pine Flat in Beehouse Canyon where the maples were astonishing. Every drainage on that side of the mountain was filled with yellow and red. Pine Mountain summit is as good as advertised. With the climb up Verde Rim 161, the whole experience is nearly as good as Mazzy Peak, with everything near and dear from the SF Peaks and higher mountains of Coconino/Kaibab to the local summits in the New River Mountains and Superstitions to the south on full display. The Mazzy views are as good as it gets outside the range.

Down the rim on 161 until it veers down the mountain, and I proceeded up the ridge. Lots of cattle out and about, and they have carved good trails down the Verde Rim for many stretches. Getting to Mockingbird Pass was the easiest of the off trail portions, and after that it is a significant bushwhack until bottoming out in Bishop Creek. South of the pass is a rocky ridge that can't be traversed. Bushwhacked along side it. After that it mellows out a little until Turret. Any drainage and nearly all ups/downs involved pushing through the brush/low trees, and in the grassier moments the terrain was littered with rocks of the wrong size. Climbed through the cliffs to get to Turret, and then up the slopes that are rocky, steep, and loose. Made my way around to a summit scramble. I do not know of a summit outside of the Mazzies that has a better view in Central AZ. For me, better than Pine Mountain. Between the two, it's like being at the center of it all.

1000ft bushwhacking down Turret over some frustrating mountainside to Bishop Creek. Bishop Creek was a full turn. Good cattle trails along the banks. Lots and lots of yellow. Got to the drainage that leads up to Buck Basin. Took the ridge instead of the creek. More bushwhacking around a broken ridgeline before the grass took over on the mountainside and the going got easier. Descended into Buck Basin after having worked my way above. First good trail since 161 honed into view. Half mile+ up to Nelson. Nelson until about a half mile or mile to Pine Flat is gone to the wilds, and ~7 miles off trail for the day turned into ~9. At that point, it was killer. Just wanted to put my head down.

At first Pine Flat Trail looks like it's a goner, but continuing through the overgrowth sure enough it's there. It comes and goes at times, but there are some ribbons in the trees and cairns on the ground. In Sycamore Creek the oaks were as good as it gets. It's a lovely stretch of trail, and I was glad I hadn't skipped it for Short Cut. After that it's through Pine Flat which could more accurately be called juniper flat, and then into Beehouse where the maples were nearly all a deep red. Stopped looking around much and focused on finishing before sunset. Made it back as the sun got to disappearing, but it was still light enough to see the road.
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Even turn just about everywhere, all drainages and sections of sycamore, oak, maple, etc were at peak. Very little green left, leaves starting to fall.
 
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The road is easily navigated with my Subaru Cross Trek. I wouldn't try it with a low clearance vehicle.

The trail starts out just before the end of the road, with a sign on the right pointing to Trail 159. It goes down across a dry creek bed. It goes back up the other side to a trail register. After passing the register and signs, there is a gate, and a walk-through around the gate.

Soon after the gate, you cross a drainage, dry, today, and probably only filled during spring run-off. The trail follows along the left side of a dry wash. In the dry wash, there is a puddle, that is drinkable in mid-October, about 0.2 mi from the trailhead.

From here on up to Nelson Place Spring, the amount of water in Sycamore Creek continues to increase. The flow is at least 1 liter per minute and great water. Soon thereafter, the trail crosses the wash above a really nice looking pool. The trail continues, now on the right side of the canyon, to the first signs of fall color. With sumac, green on top and red on the bottom.

By the time you are 1/2 mile up the trail, the water is flowing at gallons per minute. Beautiful water, with the sunlight sparkling on the ripples. I encountered my first steer at this point. He was reluctant to move out of my way. After the steer, I encounter some yellow leaves in the taller trees. Need to pay attention to the trail at Nelson Spring, that you don't lose the trail. Nelson Place Spring crosses the trail with a muddy stream.

The light filters through the trees. You can hear the water trickling and the birds chattering at Nelson Place Spring. Nelson Place Spring was running at least one L / min. However, this is the last good water today.
The trail drops down into Beehouse Canyon, which is dry. Just, beyond the canyon, there is a rock wall on the left, and a signed junction for Pine Flat trail 165 going to the right. Continue straight on Nelson Trail 159.
Just beyond the trail junction there is a muddy spring. I wouldn't drink it. This is a pretty area for camping. However, a sign just beyond marks it private property.

Just beyond, get a nice shot of the fall color, reds and yellows. The USFS map suggests that the area right along the creek, mostly where the water is, is privately held. You enter the wilderness just beyond this sign.

At 1 mile in, the creek bed on the left becomes dry, with lots of Ponderosa needles carpeting the trail. The trail crosses the canyon to the left side at 1.3 miles. It is a little indistinct, but consolidates on the other side.
The trail stays in the canyon, with the empty creek on the right.

At 1.5 miles in, you will encounter the beautiful arched tree, identified as the Arizona Freeway Tree by a previous hiker. Soon after, you encounter a dry side stream. Around 1.7 miles, you encounter a lovely mix of oak, ponderosa pine and juniper trees.

At 1.75 mi is a very confusing spot, where a major tributary comes in from the left. With a lot of cattle footprints in the creek bottom, and with the appearance of a trail switch backing up the hill to the right, the main trail is not at all clear. It turns out, the real trail continues straight, along the right hand side of the canyon.
There is a suggestion of a trail crossing the wash from right to left and up the left tributary. Do not go this way.

After continuing up the right hand side for a short distance, the trail crosses Sycamore creek and continues up the left hand side. Follow a clear blaze on an old Ponderosa to ascend the first real climb on this trip.
Up ahead, I see a steamy spot, as though an animal has just peed there. As I watch, the steam dissipates. Indeed, there are several cattle on the trail ahead of me. After seeing me, they turn up the trail, moving slowly.
The trail continues up the left side above the wash. Eventually the canyon bottom climbs up to you, and you cross over to the right hand side of the canyon, again. At 2.4 miles, we encounter the first evidence of recent fire. The trail becomes indistinct. Stay to the right, maybe 30 yards from the creek, to stay on the trail. At first it looks like it was a small fire, but as I later, the damage is extensive. On getting home, and doing some research, I see this is the result of the lightning-caused Pine Fire, which burned here in July of 2020, just 3 months ago. Keep the wash on your left, and you will spot the constructed trail soon.

Shortly before the trail junction with the Willow Trail, the trail goes up over a small rise, and then drops into a beautiful camp area. This would be a great spot if there were water. The fire has killed the smaller growth, but for the most part left the larger trees unscathed.

As you approach the trail junction, it is a beautiful, open Ponderosa forest. The trail becomes indistinct but stay about 25 yards to the right of the creek and you will be fine. At the trail junction, Nelson Trail 159 bears right, Willow Springs 12 Trail continues straight. There is a spring box down and to the left. The concrete spring box is dry, and full of holes. Probably dry for a very long time. No sign of water here at all. As Willow Trail continues, it is very indistinct. Stay to the right of the stream bed, roughly 30 yards.

About 300 yards from the junction, the trail crosses the wash to the left side.

At 3.4 miles from the car, heading up toward Pine Spring, the trail enters a pretty much completely burned area.
The trail crosses the canyon again to the right, at about the location of Pine Spring. No sign of any water.

At 4.1 miles, the canopy opens up, and you can see what is probably the saddle of the Verde Rim, and the summit of Pine Mountain. The trail continues to climb through the rather un-inspiring valley, through the un-inspiring burn, as you approach the ridge line. At 4.7 miles, intersect the Verde Rim Trail 161, ending the Willow Spring Trail #12. The last little section of Trail 12 is indistinct. Look for water bars to identify the trail.

From the intersection, it is only about a quarter mile as the crow flies to the summit, but it is about 400 more feet of climb. As you climb the switchbacks, the views start to open up right and left, although on the Verde River side, it is pretty hazy due to smoke from the Horse Fire. The trail continues to climb vigorously. Fortunately, there is a little breeze to make it tolerable. Finally, as you come around about due west of the summit, there is a cairn and a side trail that heads up to the summit. Time for lunch!

On the eastern horizon, I see what must be the Mazatzal Mountains, where I was just a couple weeks ago.
The views from the summit are very nice, especially to the east. From Pine mountain, there is another unnamed summit just to the south. Within a few feet, it is just as high as Pine Mt. The trail goes just around this summit. I don’t go up there, because I'm starting to think about the long trip back home.

There is a third summit at 6810', with nice camp sites, if you bring water. This would be a cool place to watch the sunrise. There is a great deal of porous lava stone up here. At the intersection of Pine Mountain Trail #14, the route goes right. The Verde Rim trail going straight doesn't look too clear.

As you drop off the ridge, the trail is at first quite nice, and then moves in and out of the fire zone. Coming down, the views to the west are much less spectacular than the views to the east were from the summit. I occasionally startle cattle, who thunder away. There is some evidence of bear scat on the trail as well.
I rousted several cattle from a nice shady spot. As the trail crosses Contour 6500', it becomes very indistinct due to heavy cattle stomping at this shady spot. Look for the trail to start dropping off the side of the ridge and traversing down here.
I think Trail 14 is preferable to 12, as it follows the top and side of the ridge, instead of the creek bottom, so it is somewhat prettier. It is also much gentler in slope than the route up Trail 12, as the last climb up Pine Mountain is quite steep. Trail 14 spends less time in the burned area as well. Arriving at the so-called "cloverleaf" intersection of Trail 14 and 159, the burn destruction is total, including the trail junction sign. There is a large cairn here. If you were doing the loop the other way, you might miss the fork.

I hustle the rest of the way down, without a lot of notes, as I am anxious to get home now.

Saw several deer, as well as cattle.

Arriving back at the car at 2:07, total time 6 hours, Distance 10 miles, Moving time 4:43, average moving speed 2.1 Mi/hr. Elev Max 6380, Min 4763. Ascent / Descent 1800'.
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The Sumac is quite awesome.

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A muddy area crosses the trail just beyond the canyon. This is the last water as you hike up today.

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Spring flowing well across the trail - canyon below has good water as well.

dry Pine Spring Dry Dry

dry Tank Canyon Dry Dry
Canyon is dry

dry Willow Spring Dry Dry
 
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Pine Mountain has been on my list for several years now. But I never thought I had enough vehicle to get there, and if the current road is any indication, I was right, at least for me and my vehicle. But things change and so do vehicles. :y: And even with the truck, that road though. 5 MPH tops for the last 7 miles. It wasn't hard, no need for 4L, but just rocky and rough enough that unless you wanted to keep hitting the top of the cab with your head, you were going to have to take it slow. :sweat: There was an outfitter camp in the campgrounds, but I was the only other vehicle when I arrived.

My first time in this area at all and it was pretty sweet. I started a bit late, I think it took me about 1 1/2 hours to get from I-17 to the TH. I thought about doing a bigger loop, but with the later start and me dinking around the first 3 miles of the hike taking photos, I had to stay with the original plan. I also wanted to do the rough drive back while it was still light.

It was interesting to learn after about 1 1/2 miles of hiking the Nelson Trail, that I'd been hiking on Private Property? Apparently, although no indication at the start, part of the Nelson Trail is not on Public Lands, according to the signs later encountered. There were also fresh survey ribbons and stakes along the way, which makes me wonder what the fate of this particular stretch of trail will be. It would be a shame to lose it, as it is a beautiful section of the trail.

The first 3 morning miles were beautiful, with Sycamore Creek flowing, springs running and trees glowing with new spring growth. The birds were very active too. Then it started to heat up, the water dried up for the most part and the gnats were out in force. Luckily there was a breeze at times, but I kept moving. Decided to do the loop CW, just to get the uphill out of the way as soon as possible. Just before topping out on Rim, I ran into the Outfitter, with 2 others. Hunters, with 3 Mules and 6 Hounds. Looking for Spring Bear and Lion I guess. They weren't the talkative type and neither was I, but I did sweet talk the hounds a little.

Topped out on the Rim and enjoyed the views. It was rather warm and the gnats were incessant, but I found some shade under a pine for a break and a snack and then I hit the top of Pine Mountain. I was kind of amazed how the top itself was almost devoid of trees, but the views were really sweet. Back down and around and more trail along the rim for a bit. Hit the Pine Mountain Trail and started the descent. Trail is pretty rocky here, so there was no cruising, just trying not to roll an ankle. Hung a right back onto Nelson and kept going. Got back to the non-loop part of the hike and the trail got better and I started to cruise for the finish. My "back to the barn" mentality was interrupted by a sun bather on the trail. He was over 4' long and gorgeous. I couldn't help but stop and admire that beautiful skin. He modeled for me for about 20 minutes or so and then he went off to go find some lunch. And my cruising resumed. A few brief stops for photos the last 1 1/2 miles and then it was back to the truck. With the exception of the Guide and his Clients, I hadn't seen another soul all day. Until now. The Campground was filling up. Several cars and quite a few people were there. Time to go.

I was hoping to not meet cars on the road, but on a Friday afternoon, even with that road, the hope was for naught. Luckily there were only two coming in. The road is a single lane, with very few spots to pull over for oncoming traffic. The first small SUV had to get up off the road, as I was climbing a hill. I had to get up off the road for the 2nd small SUV. It's not that easy, as the tall grass along the road tends to hide even the bigger rocks. No clue whether either of them made it to the Campground, or if they were even going that far. Hit the highway and headed for home. Looked like a normal Friday Night in late April, as far as traffic goes. Lots of vehicles headed north, many pulling trailers.

The Truck did great and I was so happy. I'm feeling a bit liberated in that there are a few more areas I can now get to without the worry of breaking a vehicle to do it. Trying to break the truck in right, and that always involves a little pinstriping. :D

This was a great area! I'll be back to do some other Loops here as well. There are several options out there. This was my first time above 4000 feet in over 1 1/2 years, so it was a good hike to acclimate to something higher. And much cooler than the Valley for sure. Not sure if my desert hiking is over for the season or not, but it was nice to see and hear the pines again.
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There are a few blooms starting, but nothing significant. Verbena has a few clumps here and there and the Lupine is just starting to think about spring.

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Crossing Water in Dugas

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As others have mentioned, long road to the trailhead. There were a few cars along the road camping and one at the campsite, but we saw no other people on this trail all day. We did see a black bear, which was pretty exciting (scary-ish, a little too close for what I would prefer) since I haven't seen one before in the wilderness. Verde Rim portion was beautiful - excellent scenic views all around.
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 AZ
Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ 
Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ
 
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wallyfrackTriplogs 1,691
Hiking14.05 Miles 3,054 AEG
Hiking14.05 Miles   7 Hrs   58 Mns   2.21 mph
3,054 ft AEG   1 Hour   37 Mns Break
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It was eleven years ago that I last hiked Pine Mountain. It was nice to see the change in size of the small pines. The hike started out cool but with a bit of humidity. The trails started to heat up by noon and the clouds didn't provide cover so we took a few breaks in the shade. The trails were rocky at times but my michelin soles held up. It was good to finally hike with Karl rather than running into him at a restaurant, bar, ranch or trail head. It was good to hike with the cruel kids again too. You need a baseline to measure normal behavior against. :lol:
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Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ 
Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ
 
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joebartelsTriplogs 5,894
Hiking14.05 Miles 3,054 AEG
Hiking14.05 Miles   7 Hrs   58 Mns   2.21 mph
3,054 ft AEG   1 Hour   37 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
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Reverse of a Jun 08 2013 trip.

Nelson Trail #159
The most enjoyable portion of the day. Cooler in the morning. Sycamore Creek was running fair for a good stretch.

Verde Rim Trail #161
Love the Mazzie + Superstition views. Too warm and humid.

Salt Flat Trail #71
Purposely put this at the end because it's a steep ascent. Done, prefer ascending.

Pine Mountain Verde Rim Loop
Just realized how much I admire this little masterpiece.

Synopsis
Great to hike with other kids in the HAZ neighborhood. Nothing was screaming killer hike with summer temps holding. Always a good hike out in this area. Need to let the drive fade out of memory then hit this in autumn for a change next time.
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Autumn Foliage Observation None
no need to falsely trigger the maps
one shrub in the canyon, possibly dying from heat but it was the show
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mostly light, richards geranium, paintbrush and a few others I forget
small swaths of yellows
caltrop lined some of the drive over from I-17

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Little Mesa Tanks 76-100% full 76-100% full
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Nov 05 2017
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 Joined Mar 12 2004
 Scottsdale, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 05 2017
John9LTriplogs 1,647
Hiking9.95 Miles 2,041 AEG
Hiking9.95 Miles   4 Hrs   36 Mns   2.31 mph
2,041 ft AEG      18 Mns Break
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1st trip
Met up with Lee and the pups for a fun hike north of Phoenix. We met at the Happy Valley Park N Ride at 6am and made the drive up. We turned off at the Dugas / Orme exit and headed east. The long dirt road turned into a pain! Overall the road is in good condition but very long and tedious! We were driving in right after the sun peaked over the horizon and spent most of drive with a blinding sun directly in our eyes! We were both glad when we arrived at the TH around 8am. Speaking of that we pulled in and parked next to Chumley’s truck who was car camping. He was sleeping in the back of his truck and I’m glad he didn’t shoot us after waking him up!

We hung out with Chumley for about 20 minutes and then started our hike. The trail is in good condition as it makes a steady climb. The lower canyon had lots of water and some nice fall colors. We continued up and hit the start of our lasso and opted for a clockwise loop. We continued up and topped out on Pine Mountain. Once there we soaked in the views and ate a snack. From there we continued along the rim and eventually started our descent back to the TH. We cruised down and were back to the TH around 1pm. Chumley was long gone so we packed up and made the drive back to Phoenix.

This was a nice hike and I’m glad I can finally check it off the list. The road is a pain but the hike is worth doing at least once. Thanks to FOTG for driving!
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Nov 05 2017
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 Joined Jan 21 2013
 AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 05 2017
FOTGTriplogs 1,052
Hiking10.07 Miles 2,032 AEG
Hiking10.07 Miles   4 Hrs   29 Mns   2.38 mph
2,032 ft AEG      15 Mns Break
 
I had been wanting to get back out to this area since my first hike in the area a couple years ago. The return trip was well worth it and the place still left a good impression on me, but the drive in sucks and I can't believe I had forgot that.

Luckily with the fall colors and the big views from the rim today, the long drive became an afterthought pretty quickly. This is a really nice area this time of year and a quaint, but worthy little wilderness area. We only saw one person all day (a hunter) and moved pretty quickly on the generally nice trail. The views from the rim were especially nice today due to some nice clouds. There were also some nice sections of fall colors along the way and just about perfect hiking temperatures.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Substantial

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Beehouse Canyon Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Nelson Place Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
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Nov 04 2017
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 Joined Jan 24 2016
 Arizona
Pine Mountain Wilderness, AZ 
Pine Mountain Wilderness, AZ
 
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MountainMattTriplogs 530
Hiking16.57 Miles 2,659 AEG
Hiking16.57 Miles
2,659 ft AEG25 LBS Pack
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1st trip
I've been wanting to check out the Pine Mountain Wilderness for quite sometime and this weekend could not have been better for the trip.
Drove out on Friday night and enjoyed the fun road on the way to the TH illuminated by the full moon glow.

Chums had been out before and planned a loop for us that ended up being one of my favorite day hikes in quite some time!
Saturday started out a little sunny but soon the clouds rolled in and with most of the hike being under some form of shade made for incredibly pleasant hiking weather.
Views from the rim and Pine Mountain were stunning and offered a nice view of some red lollipop slopes here and there.

The winner of the day was our side trip up to Beehouse Spring which was a gem of healthy maples, oaks and sycamores complimented by the occasional prickly pear.

Before returning to the TH with Chums I departed and headed back up and past Black Alder Spring to photograph this little scene of agave and maples we passed earlier in the day.
On the return back in the dark I thought I spooked some more cattle but after my headlamp flashed on the movement I was surprised to see 5 or 6 monkey-skunks scattering up the trees making all sorts of noise.

The next morning I woke up for sunrise and hiked back on up to Beehouse to take advantage of the color and enjoyed a quiet morning in silence taking photos in a diverse wonderland which added an additonal 2.47 miles and minor aeg which I added to the loop stats.

A downright perfect weekend with good company spent out in the Pine Mountain paradise.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Substantial
Dull Maples, Healthy Oaks and Sycamores galore, a little sumac and a few past prime random aspen.
Most of the maples lacked the spunk of a nice red but there was still some hot spots to be found.

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3 pools of clear water frequently used by cattle 50-60 yards downstream from the actual marked spring.

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Water running down from the hillside spring giving fuel to Sycamore Creek.

dry Pine Spring Dry Dry

dry Willow Spring Dry Dry
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Nov 04 2017
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 Tempe, AZ
Pine Mountain Plus, AZ 
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking11.81 Miles 2,408 AEG
Hiking11.81 Miles   6 Hrs   5 Mns   2.28 mph
2,408 ft AEG      54 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Spent the weekend at Salt Flat Campground. Saturday Matt and I hiked a north loop to Pine Mtn. The weather was perfect! The leaves were sporadic to start, and just a little bit blah/dull overall. Not quite the saturated color I would have hoped for.

There was a truck at the trailhead with a HAZ sticker, but we didn't manage to cross paths with @nightstalker. We did cross paths with @mr14ner, the 3rd time that's happened for me!

Sunday 9L and FOTG stopped by in the morning to visit before heading out on a loop of their own.

I made an effort to drive the road to the Rim, but gave up just past the Oxbow Trail since I had been bumping along for over an hour. I could have made it the rest of the way, but it was really slow going, and I just wasn't enjoying it and the end goal of hiking down to Cold Water Spring just wasn't worth the effort I was putting forth.

So I turned around and headed back down to where the road is nice again!
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Autumn Foliage Observation Moderate

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout 100 yards below marked spot, several shallow pools of clear water during a record dry autumn.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Clear and reliable as always

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout
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Nov 04 2017
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 Goodyear, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
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NightstalkerTriplogs 1,740
Hiking10.80 Miles 1,917 AEG
Hiking10.80 Miles   5 Hrs   55 Mns   2.36 mph
1,917 ft AEG   1 Hour   20 Mns Break15 LBS Pack
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Perfect temps, overcast skies, and plenty of trees for today's hike to Pine Mountain. Left McD's at Carefree Hwy and I-17 at 5AM and made it to the trailhead just before 7am. As noted by others, high clearance vehicle recommended! I was pretty spooky doing this road in the dark before sunrise. There were at least 3 campsites in the camping area at the trailhead, no one offered us any bacon before departing though, guess they don't like pretty girls. Lots of hardwoods at peak color throughout the duration of the hike with plenty of pines mixed in for additional color. Got stuck behind cattle two different times on the way in. They got a good working trying to stay ahead of us. Took the side trail up Pine Mountain for the best views of the Verde Valley on the hike. Saw one other person in the 10+ miles of trail.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Extreme

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Sep 09 2017
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 Gilbert, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
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adeniumTriplogs 697
Hiking9.80 Miles 1,875 AEG
Hiking9.80 Miles   4 Hrs   45 Mns   2.06 mph
1,875 ft AEG
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As promised, it was a long drive in. The road is really not in bad shape, but a high clearance is a must on account of a couple of sections. I was surprised to see the campsite at the trail head, and that immediately laid the groundwork for a return trip for some back country car camping. The day was overcast for most of the hike, so conditions were most pleasant. The trail was a bit overgrown in sections, but not to the point that I couldn't find the trail... just a little reminder that long pants would have been a better choice.

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Cows have no manners.

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May 20 2017
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 cave creek, az
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
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thirstylizardTriplogs 38
Hiking9.80 Miles 1,875 AEG
Hiking9.80 Miles
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Enjoyed this hike with five friends. Road to trailhead was as described which keeps this beautiful hike crowdless. With lots of stops for flowers photos, vista views and a couple of horned lizards this hike took us six hours. We did take two, short spurs at an overlook and at the summit also may have dipped my toes in the creek at the end of the hike which we all know keeps us out of the medicine cabinet. Trail routing was easy and overgrowth minimal. Didn't track due to some battery limitation but probably just over 10 miles with the added spurs.
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Wildflowers Observation Moderate
Lupine, sego lillies, wallflower, larkspur, rock rose and more
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May 12 2017
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 Phoenix, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar May 12 2017
CanyonWandererTriplogs 12
Hiking9.51 Miles 1,829 AEG
Hiking9.51 Miles   5 Hrs   47 Mns   1.91 mph
1,829 ft AEG      48 Mns Break
 
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Made our first trip to the Pine Mountain Wilderness and had a great time.

It was about 2:15 drive time from Downtown Phoenix, 1:15 from the freeway but I have to go a little slower than most because my dumb hiking dog is afraid of cattle guards so I literally stop at each one and ease across as slowly as possible. It was about 80 for most of the hike while it was 95 in Phoenix so the elevation helped with that.

There were two other trucks at the TH - an older gentleman out for a drive having lunch and what turned out to be two hikers and two hot labs out on the trail.

We took 159 :next: 12 :next: 161 :next: 14 :next: 159. The route is pretty gentle, only remotely steep section is right near the summit of Pine Mountain but even that wasn't too bad. We spent quite a while sitting on the summit of Pine Mt enjoying the views of the Verde River Valley, seems like a great spot to spend a night as well.

Water was running well for the first 3/4 mile of the trail, very good for keeping dogs cool.

We saw two rattlesnakes on the trail: one within 50' of the trail register box and another near the junction of the 14 and the 159 trails. Both seemed very pissed off that we were there, and neither was willing to move off the trail so we did the moving for them.

All in all a great day out in the woods - look forward to spending more time in this area.

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Plenty of water from this area down to the Salt Flat TH. Also plenty of cows dropping biscuits in the water so be prepared.
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