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Pine Flat Trail #165 - 8 members in 18 triplogs have rated this an average 2.9 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Apr 15 2022
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Nelson Trail #159Camp Verde, AZ
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My plan for this backpacking trip didn't really work out because of the lack of water. The only available water appeared to be within 1 mile of the trailhead from a series of 4 springs that collectively appear to be called Nelson Place spring.

If I would offer a suggestion it would be to explore the Pine Mountain Wilderness via dayhiking. The Salt Flat campground area is pretty nice, though you have to bring all your water with you.

I would also warn potential backpackers that other triplogs reporting water for "several miles along the start of their hike" probably aren't really counting their distance and don't realize that the water ends after the first mile.

While the Nelson trail was in good shape, most of the other trails are in poor condition. The worst was the Salt Flat connector trail, and the second worst was the Verde Rim trail. Surprisingly you will find cows along every trail, including at the top of Pine Mountain itself!

I ran through 90% of my water when I was only halfway through my Saturday loop, likely due to the higher than forecast temperatures, so I struggled to finish the trip.

Takeaways:
The spring fed areas along Nelson trail are very nice, and I was surprised to see all the trout.
Pine Mountain is an enjoyable destination, and there are great views of the entire Mazatzals from the top.
The rest of the trails suffer from significant overgrowth. Some also suffer from not-existingness in sections. There was easily a half mile stretch of Pine Flat trail where I didn't see any evidence of a trail.
For some reason, once you get away from Nelson trail by more than a quarter mile (except Pine Mtn itself), you will only see Junipers, no pine trees.

Driving: Lots of triplogs speak to road conditions. I would say the last 7 miles to the trailhead is rated a high clearance rd. I think 2wd with limited slip differential or else 4wd is helpful due to the rough road. From highway 17 to trailhead took 60 minutes. From trailhead to highway 17 took 56 minutes.
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dry Beehouse Canyon Dry Dry

dry Beehouse Spring Dry Dry
I was on the lookout for this spring, but didn't see anything wet.

dry Bishop Spring Dry Dry
No water in this area that I saw, perhaps I didn't go far enough off trail downcanyon?

dry Black Alder Spring Dry Dry
Perhaps I missed the spring, but didn't find anything.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Nelson Place Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
A lifesaver. Collectively the 4 different areas water came out of the ground probably add up to 100 gallons per minute.

dry Willow Spring Dry Dry
Perhaps I missed the spring, but didn't find anything.
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If fall's taught me one thing it's don't be an early bird because all you get is worms. Finally timed a fall trip right and got to see the Pine Mountain Wilderness in a full turn. From the lowest sycamore to the highest oak, along with the trees of Bishop and Sycamore Creeks, it was all at peak. Wanted to give the Pine Mountain - Verde Rim Loop a go for the color, and I couldn't help but stretch it out and add Turret Peak. 8 miles on the incomparable Verde Rim with two of the most scenic summits in central AZ, plus fall color all around the wilderness area, admittedly looks a lot better on paper. Not sure I'd ever do this again.

The drive in was an hour and half from the 17, about an hour of which was spent on the final road's last five miles. One creek crossing in Dugas. I'm more cowardly and strapped for cash than most drivers, but I would personally not chance it with mid-clearance or lower. Only people I saw all day were two pairs of hunters who were driving out as I was driving in.

Nelson through Willow Springs a near perfect turn of sycamore and oak, but the real show is on Pine Flat in Beehouse Canyon where the maples were astonishing. Every drainage on that side of the mountain was filled with yellow and red. Pine Mountain summit is as good as advertised. With the climb up Verde Rim 161, the whole experience is nearly as good as Mazzy Peak, with everything near and dear from the SF Peaks and higher mountains of Coconino/Kaibab to the local summits in the New River Mountains and Superstitions to the south on full display. The Mazzy views are as good as it gets outside the range.

Down the rim on 161 until it veers down the mountain, and I proceeded up the ridge. Lots of cattle out and about, and they have carved good trails down the Verde Rim for many stretches. Getting to Mockingbird Pass was the easiest of the off trail portions, and after that it is a significant bushwhack until bottoming out in Bishop Creek. South of the pass is a rocky ridge that can't be traversed. Bushwhacked along side it. After that it mellows out a little until Turret. Any drainage and nearly all ups/downs involved pushing through the brush/low trees, and in the grassier moments the terrain was littered with rocks of the wrong size. Climbed through the cliffs to get to Turret, and then up the slopes that are rocky, steep, and loose. Made my way around to a summit scramble. I do not know of a summit outside of the Mazzies that has a better view in Central AZ. For me, better than Pine Mountain. Between the two, it's like being at the center of it all.

1000ft bushwhacking down Turret over some frustrating mountainside to Bishop Creek. Bishop Creek was a full turn. Good cattle trails along the banks. Lots and lots of yellow. Got to the drainage that leads up to Buck Basin. Took the ridge instead of the creek. More bushwhacking around a broken ridgeline before the grass took over on the mountainside and the going got easier. Descended into Buck Basin after having worked my way above. First good trail since 161 honed into view. Half mile+ up to Nelson. Nelson until about a half mile or mile to Pine Flat is gone to the wilds, and ~7 miles off trail for the day turned into ~9. At that point, it was killer. Just wanted to put my head down.

At first Pine Flat Trail looks like it's a goner, but continuing through the overgrowth sure enough it's there. It comes and goes at times, but there are some ribbons in the trees and cairns on the ground. In Sycamore Creek the oaks were as good as it gets. It's a lovely stretch of trail, and I was glad I hadn't skipped it for Short Cut. After that it's through Pine Flat which could more accurately be called juniper flat, and then into Beehouse where the maples were nearly all a deep red. Stopped looking around much and focused on finishing before sunset. Made it back as the sun got to disappearing, but it was still light enough to see the road.
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Even turn just about everywhere, all drainages and sections of sycamore, oak, maple, etc were at peak. Very little green left, leaves starting to fall.
 
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Got this idea from a loop that @The_Eagle did about 10 years ago. Arrived at the Salt Flat TH at about 10 AM. It was in the low 30's. There was just one other truck parked with no one present.

Started out on Nelson Trail for just a bit. When I planned this out my thought was to go clockwise, but ended up changing my mind at the last minute. That may in fact be the better way to go in retrospect.

Just before the Pine Flat Trail takes off into Beehouse Canyon I ran into a young couple who were camping practically right on the trail. About 20 feet past their campsite was the entrance to the Canyon. Beehouse falls nicely at the midpoint of the best and worst of today.

Pine Flat meets Shortcut Trail at the top of a rocky mesa and traverses this mesa for a relatively uninteresting 5 miles or so. This is rocky, open ground with some manzanita, juniper and the occasional pine tree to mix things up. Not gonna lie in saying that Shortcut was pretty boring.

The entire world changes at about 6.5 miles entering the upper sections of the southern part of Verde Rim Trail. In my humble opinion these are some of the most fantastic views that I have seen in Arizona. Better than Pine Mountain summit. I really don't know what to say other than that all our favorite ranges were front and center. No Grand Canyon, but pretty much everything else. These views along this portion of the trail were the first unobstructed views of the day and really took my breath away.

From here the Verde Rim Trail that leads to Pine Mountain was steep and brushy. I didn't have too many issues, but i think downhill might be a better choice for this section. Pine Mountain summit is flat and there was a soft spot to rest for a couple of minutes. The western views are obstructed from this vantage point by another mountain and young oak.

Willow Creek Trail is about a third burned but the sections that aren't burned are pretty glades of predominantly pine forest.

Everything I saw today was dry except at the lower elevations where Nelson Spring is running incredibly strong.

Finally a word on the roads in. CR 171 is decent with some washboarding. Things get worse on Dugas, but still Subaru-able. Once you turn onto FR 68 the road is just a rocky, tough Arizona forest service road. High Clearance absolutely, but how high? My truck did fine...no worries and I didn't need 4WD once.

Things were special enough in this wilderness to start working towards a multi day backpack incorporating Cedar Bench Wilderness which is connected at its southern end by FR 68G which to the south terminates close to the northern end of the Verde Rim Trail in the Pine Mountain Wilderness.
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I was looooong overdue for a hike with Joe. He suggested 3 and while the most appealing was Manning Camp I felt it may be a bit much as I am just getting my wheels back. Had a hernia surgery in January that didn't heal as quickly as I had hoped. All is well now so now so it feels great to get back on the trails. I'm hoping he and I can do the Manning hike before the year is over.

This one was awesome and I really enjoyed the killer views from the top of the Verde Rim. I on the way up we say a patch of wild yellow roses in bloom which was pretty cool as well. Overall just a great hike and felt good to get out of town and away from all of the craziness. 2020 hasn't been a great year to be a restaurant owner. Thank god for Real Estate.

Thanks for the suggestion Joe it was a winner.
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March through the Pines
Nelson up to then through Willow had us on the rim in cool morning temps. Those rim views always get your attention. That was the break.

Rim
Verde Rim Trail #161 was dandy. Realized this area features a lot of Arizona White Oak. Somewhere after Bishop back on Nelson brush encroaches. Then it hurts and route finding with frequent GPS verification is the game. We lucked out on the direction of travel, descending this crap is always easier. Most of the hell is chaparral. There is mean looking catclaw but you can typically favor pushing aside the live oak, sugar sumac, and mahogany.

Pine Flat Trail #165
Turning back to home on #165 it's still a little brushy. The worst scratchy stuff is over. The gamble oak leaves looked spanking neon green new and were velvet soft. We toured Sycamore proper, then an unnecessary pasture.

Flavored sugar pellets from taco-bandito hit the spot. Beehouse Canyon was stunning. The final strides on Nelson high banking Sycamore Creek are quintessential hiking.

Road
Wide-eyed alert in & out since others often ask. A little high clearance 2WD if dry. Stay out if muddy or forecasted rain. Good tires a bonus. A twenty-yard rocky stretch might pop tender street tires if you don't slowly crawl it. I wouldn't hesitate.

Synopsis
Great to babble with JJ. Getting back into hiking rhythm he opted low-key out of three suggestions. Nothing like taking a router to a sprint course, 0.5mph quicker than my recent hikes... lol My lackadaisical approach to planning put us through a cow pasture. The scratches will heal, hope my next hike here won't be through that brush. The final two furlongs ended in storybook cool mountain breezes.
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Off-n-On Western Wallflower, lots o'Verbena
A few small patches of Pink Phlox was the eye-catcher. Only a few were in prime. Most were wilted or unimpressive single blooms.
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Pine Flat Trail #165Camp Verde, AZ
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I detoured to the Pine Flat campground on my way to the Verde Rim on Dugas Road to find a recently hidden geocache. I hiked up to Pine Flat to where the cache is hidden. I thought I missed the trail, so I dropped into Beehouse Canyon and followed the wash up to Beehouse Spring, then found the trail and took it the rest of the way. Followed the trail back so that was easier. The trail is nice and rocky and could use some work.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Beehouse Spring Dripping Dripping
Some water dripping into a trough at the spring. Trough is full.
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Spent the weekend at Salt Flat Campground. Saturday Matt and I hiked a north loop to Pine Mtn. The weather was perfect! The leaves were sporadic to start, and just a little bit blah/dull overall. Not quite the saturated color I would have hoped for.

There was a truck at the trailhead with a HAZ sticker, but we didn't manage to cross paths with @nightstalker. We did cross paths with @mr14ner, the 3rd time that's happened for me!

Sunday 9L and FOTG stopped by in the morning to visit before heading out on a loop of their own.

I made an effort to drive the road to the Rim, but gave up just past the Oxbow Trail since I had been bumping along for over an hour. I could have made it the rest of the way, but it was really slow going, and I just wasn't enjoying it and the end goal of hiking down to Cold Water Spring just wasn't worth the effort I was putting forth.

So I turned around and headed back down to where the road is nice again!
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout 100 yards below marked spot, several shallow pools of clear water during a record dry autumn.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Nelson Place Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Clear and reliable as always

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout

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I've been wanting to check out the Pine Mountain Wilderness for quite sometime and this weekend could not have been better for the trip.
Drove out on Friday night and enjoyed the fun road on the way to the TH illuminated by the full moon glow.

Chums had been out before and planned a loop for us that ended up being one of my favorite day hikes in quite some time!
Saturday started out a little sunny but soon the clouds rolled in and with most of the hike being under some form of shade made for incredibly pleasant hiking weather.
Views from the rim and Pine Mountain were stunning and offered a nice view of some red lollipop slopes here and there.

The winner of the day was our side trip up to Beehouse Spring which was a gem of healthy maples, oaks and sycamores complimented by the occasional prickly pear.

Before returning to the TH with Chums I departed and headed back up and past Black Alder Spring to photograph this little scene of agave and maples we passed earlier in the day.
On the return back in the dark I thought I spooked some more cattle but after my headlamp flashed on the movement I was surprised to see 5 or 6 monkey-skunks scattering up the trees making all sorts of noise.

The next morning I woke up for sunrise and hiked back on up to Beehouse to take advantage of the color and enjoyed a quiet morning in silence taking photos in a diverse wonderland which added an additonal 2.47 miles and minor aeg which I added to the loop stats.

A downright perfect weekend with good company spent out in the Pine Mountain paradise.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Substantial
Dull Maples, Healthy Oaks and Sycamores galore, a little sumac and a few past prime random aspen.
Most of the maples lacked the spunk of a nice red but there was still some hot spots to be found.

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3 pools of clear water frequently used by cattle 50-60 yards downstream from the actual marked spring.

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Water running down from the hillside spring giving fuel to Sycamore Creek.

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Just keeping the tradition alive today by completing another nice Veterans Day hike with Chumley. We picked up an extra this year, as Dave joined us. It was a late start because I am a mean coach and made my boys come in and practice on their morning off. Nevertheless, Chumley was able to plan a nearly perfect afternoon hike.

We completed the Pine Mountain-Verde Rim loop. The drive was not too bad, we appreciated what appeared to be a recently graded road. The temps were great and the trails were in excellent condition for the most part. The views from the rim and Pine Mountain were very nice and there was a considerable amount of water at the lower elevations. There were also several nice sections of Fall colors along the lasso-loop. The hike exceeded my expectations, a nice little area. Nothing in that area was really on my radar until today. Now the wheels in my head are turning, as I think of hikes that could incorporate Pine Mountain, Cedar Bench and the western Mazzys all in one shot.
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Some time ago, while perusing TOPO maps, I spotted The area of Mikes Cabin in the Pine Mountain Wilderness. I researched it to see if I could find any info on it, to no avail. So is been on my radar for quite awhile now to see why it was there on the maps. I also spotted another cabin so lets make a loop with some water also!

After a 20 mile peaceful drive in the JJ Mobile down FR68 :scared: :o, we set our feet on terra firma and made our way up the Nelson Trail #159, to the Pine Flat Trail #165. Another one of the goals on this hike, was to confirm or deny the existence of Trail #72 also shown as Pine Flats on the TOPO maps. This trail is shown to leave the #165 up top and work on down to behind the Double T Ranch below. While it is not signed at the #165, there is evidence of cairns. A job for another day to possibly investigate.

We dropped into the South Prong of the Sycamore creek from the #165. This area was much cooler than expected. Nice boulders, water, birds.... We made our way down towards the area on the TOPO maps indicated as Mikes Cabin. It became quite evident that we were not the only ones to enjoy this Riparian delight. There were luckily, use trails for much of the length of this creek. Just upstream of the cabin area was an old wooden table, some pots and cans.

We searched for remnants of "Mikes Cabin" but only found a labyrinth of rock walls, old wooden fence posts and some more pots and cans.
Maybe we missed something?

Out of the SP of Sycamore and scramble up through the bramble to join the Nelson Trail #159 again. I was worried about this part since it looked so thick on satellite. We made it up slowly and actually found an old trail (maybe the original way into Mikes Cabin), towards the top.

The Buck Basin Trail #158 always intrigued me. Probably because of the name. This actually followed an old jeep road to the tank. It was OK, but no need to do it again.

Next, the second cabin of the day, at Cabin Spring. This cabin is newer and probably used as a hunting camp. Sleeps four inside, wired for electricity (via generator), gas stove, wood stove. Cabin Spring is encased and covered.

Cabin Spring Cabin Video :next: https://youtu.be/xZ ... kxtM

JJ picked us another route down into the SP of Sycamore Creek that worked out pretty well. We followed more use trails next to the creek, until we spotted a trail that left the creek. The trail had seen horse traffic, so we thought it could keep us from boulder hopping. A great trail for awhile until it ended in a catclaw nightmare. We retreated back to the creek. do NOT take this option.

Now in Sycamore Creek, working upstream, the views just kept getting better. Finishing up in a little slice of Paradise. It's the last scene in this video, that I caught a portion of as my camera battery died.

South Prong and Sycamore Creek Video :next: https://youtu.be/8S ... Vkm4

Glad we were finally to get to this one.

Thanks for driving JJ (I think). I'm just getting the feeling back in my grab handle hand.
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dry Buck Basin Tank Dry Dry

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Cabin Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Spring is enclosed at the cabin, but there are areas right at the spring to be able to filter.

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Source not found, but plenty of water to be found the entire length of our travels in South Prong

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Plenty to filter

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max South Prong Sycamore Creek Light flow Light flow
Plenty of areas to filter from. Creek goes below ground in places.

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Joe's triplog tells the story of this enjoyable hike. My photos are better than his however. Take a look.
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Been anticipating checking out a couple cabins Bruce spied last year. Today was finally the day. Started out at the Salt Flat Trailhead as we have many times over the years. Up Nelson Trail #159 0.95mi. Right up Beehouse Canyon. At 2.1mi you are out of the canyon and continue across Pine Flat Trail #165 until 3.8mi.

Now off trail we headed down South Prong Sycamore Creek. We found occasional use trails. It wasn't bad but I recall mentioning I didn't want to go back up it. The initial segment off trail was very scenic. Gnarly granite but only pools of water. The search for Mikes Cabin was on. Bruce searched while I relaxed and jj performed self cactus removal. Didn't spot anything, which is best in my book...

Down South Prong another half mile then up though chaparral to re-catch Nelson Trail #159 heading WSW to Buck Basin Trail #158. Heading up Bruce lost his life or phone depending on how you look at it. So back we went to hunt it down. Bruce found it quick, probably withing ten minutes. So we were all relieved.

Bruce had a burning desire to check out Buck Basin Trail #158. Mildly interesting. Looked like an old road heading down. Lunched on the way back up under a nice shade tree. Temps all day were outstandingly mild.

Back up to Nelson and over to Cabin Spring. This cabin was stocked and used by many.

Backtracked a bit then parted ways with the road/trail and headed back down to South Prong. Followed a bit then picked up a nice trail skirting the right heading down. As it turned out it was only nice for a quarter mile. Then slowly turned to catclaw hell. Of course you don't know until you know. Not even a mile on that and we were back into South Prong. Dear lord thankyou I might add. Basically shredded my good pants!

Returned back up Sycamore proper. Along the way we ran into a small gem segment of granite. Hands down the cool spot of the entire area.
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Mariposa was outstanding near Cabin Spring
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 17 2015
mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
Hiking9.80 Miles 1,875 AEG
Hiking9.80 Miles   5 Hrs   40 Mns   2.03 mph
1,875 ft AEG      50 Mns Break
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Hadn’t been up here in a few years. The views from the summit are excellent. Didn’t see anyone all day except at the trailhead. We saw quite a few horses on the drive in and out.
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Nov 16 2013
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60 male
 Joined Nov 15 2005
 Jackson, CA
Salt Flat Trail #71Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 16 2013
toddakTriplogs 577
Hiking17.00 Miles 2,500 AEG
Hiking17.00 Miles   8 Hrs      2.13 mph
2,500 ft AEG
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1st trip
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Nice day wandering some of the less-traveled trails. From Salt Flat trailhead: east on 71, south on 161, west on 159, north on 165 & 159. Trails are rough but for the most part not hard to follow, with good signage at the junctions. The drive in from I-17 to the trailhead is 19 miles and took nearly an hour as the road gets progressively worse, especially after about 10 miles.
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Sep 07 2013
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 Tempe, AZ
Chums Pine Mtn Verde Rim Loop, AZ 
Chums Pine Mtn Verde Rim Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Sep 07 2013
chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking14.65 Miles 2,927 AEG
Hiking14.65 Miles   7 Hrs      2.62 mph
2,927 ft AEG   1 Hour   25 Mns Break
 
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Perfect weather day on Pine Mtn. Temps in the mid 70s. Cloudy. Occasional light sprinkles. Never enough to even put on a hat. Unfortunately, the views were obscured by the weather. The moisture really cut down on how far you could see. The SF Peaks were barely visible, with 4 Peaks, Weavers Needle, and the Flat Iron, also pretty tough to make out in the gray skies.

This area is really nice, with some great creek-side drainages filled with oaks and other shady trees. Up on top, Pine Mtn has some typical Ponderosa, and you also quickly drop into high-desert scrub and brush.

There's a grove of Aspen along the Willow Springs trail that is the lowest I've seen in Arizona ... 5800 feet. That was a real surprise! We made a wrong turn and discovered that Bishop Creek canyon and the South Prong of Sycamore Creek canyons are pretty cool, and might be worth further exploration in the proper weather.

Plenty of signs of cattle (including a couple of sightings), and some bear poo, but otherwise not much in the way of wildlife sightings. That's typical for a group of four though. We just made too much noise along the way!

There's a lot of trails up here, and most are well marked. But it's good to keep an eye on your map or GPS or both.

It was great to meet a couple of new faces.
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A small stream!
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Sep 07 2013
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Chums Pine Mtn Verde Rim Loop, AZ 
Chums Pine Mtn Verde Rim Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Sep 07 2013
joebartelsTriplogs 5,894
Hiking14.80 Miles 2,800 AEG
Hiking14.80 Miles   7 Hrs      2.65 mph
2,800 ft AEG   1 Hour   25 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
CHUMS copied a Coanbru hike and invited his closest thirty eight thousand friends. Three showed up and all seemed good until someone mentioned I'd be the... hem cough, navigator. I have the eyesight of a bat and the awareness of a sleeping cow away from a computer screen. Luckily CHUMS didn't need any help from moi.

Talk of muddied roads had us on alert. The slip-n-slide attraction never panned out. There is a half-mile to mile section of road that lacks gravel. You can make out ruts when the water gods blessed the region. Interestingly over a dozen horses was our mane roadblock heading in.

68 degrees greeted us at our 8am trailhead rendezvous. Off we strolled like a herd of turtles. I quote CHUMS after ten minutes "this is going to be one long hike at this pace". Let's understand the situation. The beginning of the trail is among the nicer segments so cameras were clicking. Honestly though... CHUMS had a liver pickling party to attend for one midget squirrel said evening.

Clouds kept the sun at bay. Temps were pleasant near or below 80 for most of the hike. Sprinkles teased and breezes pleased. Mike's famous whistling water jug was in thought collecting mode most of the day.

There isn't much burn noticed on this loop. Locust wants blood in the old burn areas. Shorts and short sleeves served me fine. Bruce and I found the SW end of Verde Rim #161 a cairn hunt last time. Amazingly it's been clipped and seemed like a decent trail now three months later.

The CHUMS wagon gravy train decided to ( aka missed the turn ) head out west further on Nelson #159. It looked like we would knock off some elevation, add some views and only tag on an extra mile so west it was. #159 was nice save one pocket ravine contour south of 5972 where we had to make do for a tenth of a mile.

Mike kept asking about a peak in the distance, Turret Peak? Little did he know we came within a half mile of "Mikes Spring"! We brought the stage coach home on Pine Flat #165. I have to say this turned out to be a pretty nice well rounded loop.

It was great to meet and hike with Dave ( partner #100 for this cowboy ). This was one of his longest day hikes. Despite a Pam certified kitchen sink pack he was always near and cheery. Being his first hike I laid off on the old jokes even though he was a sixties child and way older than us young chaps.

Hit a huge I-17 backup on the way home. CHUMS is no timid line dancer and took us off into BLM fantasy-land to kill time and gain ground. Fun day, thanks everyone.
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Hint of poison ivy turning in one creek bed, not enough to gain a rating yet. Our loop was loaded with small to medium oaks. While CHUMS bashed the brilliance capability of oaks I've witnessed the power of Mingus... so to each his own!

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we did not go down to Bishop Spring, the canyon above was dry as far as we could see

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purrin like a kitten
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May 27 2010
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Pine Mountain Short Cut Trail LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar May 27 2010
The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking13.86 Miles 3,876 AEG
Hiking13.86 Miles   7 Hrs   50 Mns   1.77 mph
3,876 ft AEG
 
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From I17 and Happy Valley to Dugas Rd exit, 50mi 40min. From I17 and Dugas Rd exit to TH, 18mi, 60min. All worth it. For Dugas Rd/FR 68 I'd recommend high clearance. I don't think a passenger car would make it safely for the last 5 miles or so. 4x4 was not needed.

This is a highly recommended hike. Ponderosa Pines, Alligator Juniper, Oak Trees, Sycamore Trees, running creeks, birds, Elk etc., etc. you are in and out of all of these during the hike. There is allot of shade from the trees on this hike, but there are also exposed areas. I'd consider the hike moderate for the most part, with a few difficult sections on the climb to Pine Mountain and down into Beehouse Canyon (Steep and Rocky). A GPS with the track is highly recommended because the trail is overgrown or light in spots on the southern section of the Verde Rim Trail and the Shortcut Trail.

There are cairns in most of these sections to help you, as well as 4' long poles laid down on the down slopes for erosion protection. There is deadfall around the loop, but nothing too hard to navigate.

The views on the Rim and on top of Pine Mountain were nothing short of spectacular. Make the short trip to the top of the peak. Snow topped Mt Humphrey's to the North, Four Peaks, Weavers Needle, 5024 and the Flat Iron, Horseshoe Lake to the South and the Bradshaw's to the West.
Video from the Top
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSFb_e2AlA

We saw an Elk cow and 2 babies but were unable to get pictures.
Also many Cottontail Rabbits.

There are many options for camping at the TH or along the trail.
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Flowing strong

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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
Hiking10.80 Miles 1,640 AEG
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1,640 ft AEG
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We did a different loop on this trip. We went up Beehouse and took Pine Flat to the Rim and back on Nelson.
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