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14 triplogs
Jun 01 2021
louie
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 Phoenix, AZ
The BarracksSouthwest, UT
Southwest, UT
Hiking avatar Jun 01 2021
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Hiking7.00 Miles
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Via French Canyon - Hmmm what does it say when I've written the last three trip logs? I love this place!!! This time we accessed the narrows from the south via Elephant Cove Road to French Canyon. Routes are linked. This was a much easier road then the one we took last year to access the Barracks from the north upstream from Rock Canyon. It was a sandy road and you want 4x4, but air down your tires and you're good plus it puts you right into the heart of the Barracks.

The route down French Canyon was pretty straight forward, a few class 3 scrambles to keep things interesting, but nothing too dangerous...as long as you don't fall. I dragged my 16 year old kid down there with me and he's pretty cautious so it's pretty legit.

There is poison ivy so just keep your distance once you get into the French Canyon water, but before you know it you're in the East Fork of the Virgin River and loving life...except for the cows. I really wish someone would buy out the ranchers that still have grazing rights in this area. It makes the water seem way less refreshing. We checked out poverty wash and the grotto and made it to the Powell Plaque and the park boundary, but not all the way to Labyrinth falls due to our late start.

The fall was really low and just walked down the dry side. Super easy.

Easiest way by far to see the narrows and get in a nice day hike.

This is a link to a pretty good description on rappelling in Rock Canyon and hiking out French Canyon.
https://www.stavislost.com/hikes/trail/ ... e-barracks
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May 25 2021
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Royal Arch via Point HuitzilNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
Backpack avatar May 25 2021
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We entered the Canyon on 5/25 via Point Huitzil and exited via Royal Arch Route and South Bass on 5/29. There are road routes to get to South Bass TH that are perfectly legit that stay off tribal and private land. I have the track we followed to get to South Bass TH and linked it to this triplog. It was circuitous and added an additional 90 minutes of drive time. We ran into two other groups that said there is a road that skirts the Havasupai fence line at the locked gate that stays off private and tribal land and was a quicker route to connect with pasture wash road. Both routes require high clearance 4x4. This is where I get annoyed with the park service as the backcountry rangers were adamant there is no road access to get to South Bass TH and we would need to park at the gate and hike an extra 7 miles!!! But I digress.

This was the most focused I have ever been on a backpack. I lost track of the numerous points along this trip where not being sure footed or sure handed for the scrambles risked death or serious injury. I was out of my comfort zone for a good amount of time on this trip, but had two solid people with me that helped calm my nerves.

We saved time coming down Point Huitzil, but I would never recommend that route for anyone with a fear of heights. There is a lot of exposure on this route...but then again that is pretty much the norm for Royal Arch route as well. A lot of intermittent parts of this route that leave little room for error. The route posted by Bifrost was a huge help and spot on.

There was water just below where Point Huitzil meets Royal Arch route in the tinaja's which is pretty amazing considering the dry winter and lack of measurable precipitation the last few months so I would feel pretty confident there is water here year round other then maybe end of June before the monsoons hit. Might dry up...but IDK the holes were pretty deep and seemed like they would last. Trying to figure out how to add that location to the water report for this hike. The frogs loved them!!! And some of the nastiest water I've ever drank. Tasted like dirty aquarium water. But it's the best you're gonna get this time of year so when in Rome. I hiked in enough water (3 liters plus two 12 ounce Gatorade bottles and my emergency 10 ounce water pouch I drank) to make it to the spring at Royal Arch...well almost...as we ran out maybe a quarter mile before we got to the spring. So my recommendation is to bring four liters and five if coming in South Bass this time of year to avoid the frog water. Or just plan on drinking frog water.

From the river I hiked up 4.5 liters. I used that as my bladder water which got me within a few hundred yards of the South Bass TH on the hike out before I ran out. The frog water was our overnight camp for the hike out and I cooked and dropped orange flavored electrolyte tablets into my nalogen bottle to make it more palatable in an effort to save as much of the river water as possible to drink while hiking.

Absolutely loved Royal Arch!!! Spent the second day and night there to relax and recover from the hike down and had the place all to ourselves enjoying the pools under the arch. I would stay there over Toltec beach this time of year since it's so hot at the river. It's a bummer no camping at Elves' Chasm, but would just as soon not have to drag my gear beyond Toltec beach as the route to Elves chasm has some exposure as well. Tried to get a private raft group to hitch us a ride to Elves, but no luck...but did score three beers. :) .

I don't climb much, but being on belay my partners were able to pull out the slack as I made my moves so I could rest and didn't have too much trouble climbing up the rappel. The trickiest part is the beginning and then as you climb the hand and footholds get better. The young kid (32) with us didn't even harness and just used the rope to climb up and down so it just depends on your comfort, skill level, and physical abilities. I'm a 50 year old man who hates heights with kids and a wife and can't make moves like I could 20 years ago so I'm all about being locked in.

We decided to go back up Royal Arch and avoid the death trap we felt the Tonto could give us with the heat and water reports stating no water until South Bass Beach. We started hiking as soon as there was enough light to see without headlamps day's 2-5 to avoid the heat. On our way out when we got to the redwall climb it was getting hot and knowing there was little shade at the water holes for our camp we bedded down for six hours under an alcove until the redwall had shade then made our way up and through the rabbit hole to get above the big dryfall.

All in all a stellar trip, but would be better I'm guessing to hit this one earlier in the spring or in the fall to avoid the heat and have better opportunities for some decent drinking water, but the water sure felt good to jump in!!!
Here's a link to a video of this madness. Enjoy the 20 seconds of frogs chirping in the darkness. [ youtube video ]

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A good amount of water here despite the dry winter and lack of recent rainfall. The frogs loved it and it was nasty water, but it kept us alive and we filtered it with a steripen and a sawyer and no one got sick.

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There is always water at the spring at Royal Arch to Elve's Chasm. Tastes awesome!!!
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Apr 03 2021
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Deer Creek Trail #45Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Backpack avatar Apr 03 2021
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Backpack2.00 Miles 200 AEG
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We made it in maybe a quarter mile before the grave site. We hiked on 4/2. Plenty of water in the stream and found a nice site with streams on both sides of our camp. I got really confused with the trail when it clearly made a turn to the left up the hill towards Lincoln Spring with no apparent trail that stayed right that would keep us close to the creek per the posted GPS route in hike AZ. The route in HikeArizona keeps you along the creek bed, but there was no trail in or along the creek. At that point does one just choose their own path along the creek and when does an actual trail appear again? Was there a trail along the stream bed that has since been washed out due to the fire? I was happy to get my teenage son to backpack with me a few miles in so didn't push the bit of bushwhacking on him the next day to do some day hiking up the stream. But the route that went left up the hill and through a gate...once we hit the gate we turned back around and went back to the stream...does that reconnect with Deer Creek or is that the actual trail?

The stars were amazing and we had a cool night time fly over of some sort of military practice sortie.
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May 29 2020
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The BarracksSouthwest, UT
Southwest, UT
Hiking avatar May 29 2020
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Hiking0.83 Miles 11 AEG
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Via Poverty Wash Road Route - We did this hike on 5/31. I was able to get my jeep that has a lift with 33's all the way down the 7.5 miles to where you would park and hike from there. From there it was less than a mile to the water. I even posted my first route from where I parked to the water. Hopefully, I did that right. Water levels were just under 40 cfs and it was ideal. We chose this time of the year so we could really enjoy the water and dayhike our way to the NPS boundary and back to our site and avoid having to go out Checkerboard Mesa. We also discovered one could drive just above the Spanish sword and access the barracks that way as well as we ran into some day hikers on quads that came in that way. The only downer was we had some brief rain showers that made us nervous so we turned back at Poverty Wash/French Joe Canyon area. I was with my 15 year old son and just didn't want to take any chances getting stuck somewhere in the Canyon. It was a little chillier at night then I would of thought and we were a bit chilly in our 50 degree bags, but just layered more at night.

The spare tire and rack I have on the back of my jeep broke off at around the 5 mile mark on the road and I had to leave it there, but BLM was super cool about helping me figure out a way to get it back up the road. They recommended Patriot Welding and Tim who own's the shop hooked me up. He went in there and got my tire and rack back up the road for a reasonable fee and I'm driving back up there this week to get the rack and spare tire welded back onto my jeep.

Next time I'd like to figure out how to access the Barracks via the Rock Canyon route. If anyone has any beta on that road and a gpx route to follow I would be most grateful.

Love this area! It's like a mini narrows without the crowds and love being able to camp and have a campfire.
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Oct 18 2019
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The BarracksSouthwest, UT
Southwest, UT
Backpack avatar Oct 18 2019
louie
Backpack21.16 Miles 2,000 AEG
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Did this as a one way thru hike. River flow varied from 48 – 52cfs and never got my balls wet! I hiked this in Adidas Terrex Hydro Lace Boots and wore .5mm neoprene socks and had no issues with the water temps. I wore water proof, theoretically, breathable pants and tucked the bottoms into my boots and even when the water got thigh deep my legs stayed dry and warm for the most part. Per some canyoneering sites water temps were at 50 degrees.

Night time temps were in the mid 30’s so went with my outdoor vitals 30 degree down bag, a summer bag bivy, and slept on a hammock with my thermarest. I was worried having that cold air under my hammock would make me regret my sleeping choice, but as long as I stayed on top of my thermarest I stayed warm enough, but I wore two layers of pants, socks, and tops along with my light weight down jacket to bed every night.

Loved the fact we could have campfires! That made this adventure sooooo much more enjoyable.
The one bummer was it was hunting season and this place is full of deer so was not a fan of the intermittent gun fire. It was kind of creepy as you could see the hunters in their orange outfits running around the cliffs above us looking for deer to shoot and we just hoped we wouldn’t end up in the crossfire. We passed numerous hunters piecing out their kills and passed a few piles of the guts left behind by others. And then there was the dead deer in the river and a few carcasses along the trail that you could tell had been shot, but the hunters never were able to track down their kill. So just kind of put a damper on things and convinced me I would never hike this area again during rifle season.

The canyon itself was phenomenal! The best place to camp to have easy access to spring water to purify is Rock Canyon and Poverty Wash. I wish I could have spent more time in Rock Canyon, but did hike up maybe a quarter mile to a nice spring flowing right out of the sandstone and there is a pretty good doable camp spot along this area as well.

Poverty wash was awesome! The poverty narrows were sweet and made it to the end where you found yourself in this cool little circular room. There was no sign of cattle so the water in here seemed like it would be the least polluted. Misery canyon is in this same area as well and it was a pretty cool narrow canyon with high walls that became clogged with debris after a few hundred feet.

Mineral gulch had some pretty cool narrows worth exploring, but the water had less flow and wasn’t a fan of the cow pies along the spring fed stream.

Was not a fan of the hike out to get to Checkerboard Mesa. Too much exposure and free climbing for me and I would not do this again with a pack…but then again I’m damn near 50 and am becoming much more cautious in my middle-aged life. I just can’t scramble like I could 20 years ago and there were too many spots where one slip would mean serious injury or death.
Definitely download the route to an app on your phone or a Garmin as we lost the trail out more than once and being able to point ourselves back to the route bailed us out from getting completely lost.

We had high-clearance 4x4’s and we were able to easily drive to Bill Hay Canyon and discovered later we could have pushed it and made it another half-mile or so to where the road went hard left up the canyon leaving the river. Apparently, this road is another way to access the canyon and we ran into a few parties that were doing out and backs via use trails along Rock Canyon and Mineral Gulch. But there has to be a whole bunch of ATV trails and jeep roads that get people to the canyons edge and a bunch of use trails that drop to the canyon floor based on all the hunters we saw at the tops of the cliffs. That would be my route of choice for future expeditions via some sort of out and back although hiking up stream would definitely be exhausting, but still seems much safer.

Had no issue with the bypass around the fall. There was a climber rope there which was helpful, but as long as you take your pack off you can slide down on your stomach and pretty quickly you’ll feel footholds. But definitely take your pack off!

Awesome adventure!!!
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Oct 10 2019
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 Phoenix, AZ
Tuweep CampgroundNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
4x4 Trip avatar Oct 10 2019
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Just completed a dusty trip out to Toroweap. What I learned:

that they really do lock the gate 30 minutes after sundown and unlock it at sunrise. Got stuck camping at the gate after dark so didn’t get to use the site at Tuweep I had reserved.

Discovered that many people are confused by the names Tuweep and Toroweap and think they are in completely different areas.

My dog has no fear and was freaking myself and everyone around us as she tiptoed along the edge of the cliffs. I leashed her rather quickly.

My 2000 jeep with a broken gas gauge will get over 200 hundred miles to a tank wandering around the dirt roads out there. We drove over to Bar10Ranch for the second night and stayed there a night since it was way cold the first night and no campfires out at Tuweep. Bar10 actually has gas for sale at 6 bucks a gallon, but since you’re 60 miles from asphalt that seems like a pretty good deal. Would get a few gallons next time to avoid the stress of keeping my fingers crossed I’d make to to Judds Auto Service in Fredonia for gas, the self proclaimed Center of the Universe that proudly states, “Lotto-Guns-Ammo-Beer” Yep had to get the bumper sticker!

From Bar10 just for future reference you’re better off getting back to Phoenix via St. George and the Vegas route. A little longer on the pavement, but shorter on the dirt and I think would in the long run be a shorter time wise route home. Google said going back to Fredonia was 20 minutes shorter, but it took me down this obscure single track 4x4 route on the North side of Mount Trumble that I kept waiting for the road to come to a washed out dead end. A fun route, but definitely for a high clearance short wheelbase vehicle only.

Bar 10 is a pretty cool completely off the grid locale. They got their own paved landing strip out there and most visitors fly there rather than drive. Lots of fun stuff to do out there, but be prepared to spend some money!!!
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Oct 22 2015
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Tapeats CreekNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
Backpack avatar Oct 22 2015
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Backpack25.40 Miles 5,200 AEG
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A bit of a late triplog as we did this hike Oct. 22-25th, but still some worthwhile notes from the journey. It had rained the night before and there was water everywhere on the esplanade on the way down. When we returned three days later there were still enough shallow pools that were filterable. Daytime temps on the esplanade were in the low 70's during this time. Something to ponder if you ever do this hike after a rain and want to avoid caching water. I'm sure if it was warmer the pools would have dried up quicker.

There were four of us in our mid forties in decent enough shape and a patient 22 year old and it took us nine hours to get to upper tapeats. I continue to find the downhill more troublesome than the uphill. It's tough on the old joints! Hiking poles or staff are most helpful keeping balance and putting a little less stress on the body. I found some parts of the trail from thunder river falls to upper tapeats camp a bit unnerving. With the recent rains there was a one foot exposed section that had washed out and you had to stomp a foothold into the soft dirt to get through it. On the way back some brave soul had stomped out a more stable path and the dirt had hardened which made it less sketchy.

We stayed at the group site which is the first site you come to which was nice as there were rock benches and the stream was close by. However, we ventured up Tapeats creek beyond the confluence of Thunder River and there are nice secluded sites that involve one or two stream crossings that would have fit us and maybe more people that I would consider for future trips. Not sure what the rules are on that as these are not signed as designated sites, but it's clear people camp here.

We had big plans to do a loop day-hike down to the Colorado River and over to Deer Creek Falls, but we were just two beat from the hike down so day hiked to the Colorado River. Took the low route on the east side of the creek which involved a cairned stream crossing either just below or above the third site. And later another crossing back to the west side and then a high trail above the river with some occasional exposure that I again was not a fan of. This being from someone who has a fear of heights.

The next day before hiking out to the esplanade we hiked up Tapeats creek and made it to the fall. Pretty cool, but no real safe way to actually get under it. There are plenty of sites on the esplanade so if you ever get into a bind and think it would be too much coming up from deer creek or tapeats in a day then better to poach a site on the esplanade vs. a rescue out of the canyon.

Enjoy!
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Rug Road - Mammoth to Klondyke to Hwy 70Tucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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4x4 Trip70.00 Miles 8,464 AEG
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Just a short note on the conditions of this road from the Klondyke side. I attempted this in my Jeep Wrangler with 33's and a 2inch lift and couldn't make it up the first switch back coming out of Turkey Creek. Hardcore stairsteps, steep, and not enough clearance for my jeep. I had my kids with me and was worried I'd roll the jeep or do serious damage and be stuck out there. It sucked as I couldn't turn around and had to reverse it back down the trail. I talked to some guys on quads who came out of there and they said the actual "rug road" portion was much easier than what you'll see the first few miles out of Turkey Creek. They rolled their quad trailer on that first switch back out of turkey creek and blew their tire.

I'd love to do this road, but next time will start on the Mammoth side and see how far we can get. Beautiful country back in there.
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Nov 12 2013
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Black Hills Back Country BywayTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
Scenic Drive avatar Nov 12 2013
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Scenic Drive21.00 Miles 1,800 AEG
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Just finished this drive in my 19ft extended passenger van and had no issues with the road. The southern part was more rocky, but just went slow and had no trouble. There is no camping allowed along the Gila River where the road crosses the bridge over the water so that was a bit disappointing as BLM told me there was camping allowed along the river, but they must have meant "along" in terms of the campground that is high above the river. I wanted to camp right next to the water so attempted driving down a ranch road a few miles south of the crossing, but the road becomes 4x4 as you near the water so that route failed as well. Next time I'll do this route in my jeep as there are numerous roads that will get you to the water if you have a high clearance 4x4.

We did manage to find a place to camp along a stream, but had to drive to Clifton and then drove up the road that parallels the San Francisco river and found some nice stream-side camps. The cottonwoods are still turning so enjoyed the fall foliage. There is actually a B&B along this road complete with hot springs guests can soak in.

Hit the rock park on the way home which was very cool and the kids had fun collecting fire agate. The turn-off to the park is unmarked, but once you turn onto the road you will see a sign for it. Would like to camp and just spend all day rock-hounding, but will need to bring firewood as there is a dearth of fuels out there for your fire.

Enjoy!!!
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Oct 25 2013
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Salt Trail Canyon to LCR GorgeNortheast, AZ
Northeast, AZ
Backpack avatar Oct 25 2013
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Backpack6.00 Miles 3,187 AEG
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Finally, checked this one off the bucket list. It was good to meet Chumley and Bob P. as those guys are always great help answering my questions on this site. It's cool to see the faces behind the posts. I'm not a big fan of heights and hiking along drop offs on unmaintained trails so told myself I would never do this hike again, but now after a few days of retrospect there are still some things I didn't get a chance to see down there like the sipapu so can see myself doing this again. For the most part the drop offs aren't straight down, but still nothing I would want to go sliding down if I lost my footing.

I took my german shepherd mix, but wouldn't do that to her again. The hike in she was fine, but the hike out took a toll on her paws, but she persevered and is walking normal around the house again. She's 9 1/2 so not sure how many hikes like this she has left in her so everyone of these adventures with her and my hiking buddies is a treasure to remember.

Just had a blast swimming in the pools and I left a brand new two man (max weight 340 lbs) inflatable boat at the chub camp that I never got to use. You need a small bellows pump like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000PTKQDM?tag=hikearizona and some collapsible oars like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CSUHBGQ?tag=hikearizona if you really want to raft it up down there. Oh and a patch kit I'm sure would come in handy as well.

I wouldn't pack 16 liters of water again as the LCR water was fine. We had no issues and mixed it with food and drink mixes and we were good. Thanks to Pete, Joe and Bret for helping me get my dog up and down some of the tougher spots and being chums and helping carry her dogpack. Wasn't really good terrain to load up Rio with a pack to harness.

Also, would love to get the gps coordinates and/or directions to the lookout for next time. Like the idea of confirming blue water before heading down. Til next time and I'll post some pics of the pup...
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Next time I'll drink this water vs. the LCR. It doesn't have the silt. Much better for the filter.

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Some mud pools that Rio enjoyed.
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Sep 13 2013
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Pine Mountain 6236 - MazatzalsPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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The road to the trailhead is pretty beat up at the moment. Lots of rocks and washboards. I would definitely not drive this in a passenger car. Pretty similar report as others. If I did this again I would definitely wear long pants. Way overgrown with lots of thorny things to cut up your legs. I only made it up a mile or so, but am incredibly grateful for the gpx files that were uploaded to the site. Without that data I would have never been able to follow this trail as I found myself numerous times off trail and looking at my ihike app on my phone to try to get back on trail. The trail is obviously no longer maintained as there is no signage anywhere letting you know a trail exists and is so overgrown I found myself gingerly making my way through the brush as I was worried about rattlesnakes. I've seen a lot of rattlesnakes in the four peaks area. Enjoy!!!

Addendum - Tried this again a few weeks later and this time made it to mountain spring which even with the lack of rain that we've had moisture. I was able to dig out a hole that filled with water and my dog was able to get a drink. However, from here the trail seemed like it just disappeared. I had my gps which had me on route, but I could not see any sort of discernible path. I was running out of time so didn't continue, but some day I'll be back and finally make it to the pines.
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Oct 10 2012
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Crown King - Back RoadPrescott, AZ
Prescott, AZ
4x4 Trip avatar Oct 10 2012
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4x4 Trip15.60 Miles 4,100 AEG
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Just did this drive two weeks ago. The road is in fairly good shape, but would not attempt this with a stock 4x4 as added ground clearance is imperative as is a shorter will base to keep yourself from getting high centered. Found Kentucks' grave and there are some old homesteads along the route worth checking out. Humbug creek also had a small flow which made for a nice creek-side environment to get out of the car and stretch the legs.

If you take the Oro-Belle route to Senator HWY and want to head to crown king be sure to go right when you hit Senator HWY. For some reason my garmim wanted me to go left and take some sort of circuitous route to get to town, but just go right and you will be in town within a few minutes.

Enjoy!!!

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Buckskin Gulch - Wire Pass to Paria RiverSouthwest, UT
Southwest, UT
Backpack avatar Oct 09 2012
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Backpack28.37 Miles 314 AEG
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Just finished this hike two days ago. Some knee high mud puddles and the nastiest pools were in wire pass. Did this hike in a cheap $40 dollar pair of hiking boots from sports authority with neoprene socks (prefer the NRS Hydro-skins as they are thinner then traditional 2mm neoprene's) and wore gators which were nice as kept the mud at bay. Definitely would recommend boots with ankle support vs. trying to do this hike in tennis shoes or worse water shoes like tevas. Took my 90 pound german shepherd who had a blast traipsing through the mud.

At the boulder jam the rabbit hole is open and mud free so ropes are not necessary as it is a short scramble down some old logs and packs can be handed down hand over hand to the person below. We did use a rope attached to the metal d-ring on my dogs harness to keep her from tumbling head over heels when making the scramble down, but it was quite easy. If you are so inclined there is a solid climbing rope rigged to take one over the moqui steps if you want the challenge. We climbed up the steps just to say we did it, but the alternative scramble down the logs was much easier.

If you've been hearing rumors about a new obstacle along the route created by a debris pile it is non-existent. Yes there was a debris pile of about 20 feet long, not high! You just walked on it like any other rock pile and the footing was solid. Nothing to have to climb up and over.

There is clear shallow spring water as you approach the confluence of Buckskin and the Paria that you can filter. My dog drank the stinky muddy water in buckskin and water from the Paria with no ill effects. I've made this hike when both buckskin and the paria were bone dry, but this shallow spring was still flowing strong so this is a reliable water source.

Not sure where or when we went through the dreaded cess pool that people like to talk about as other than a pretty stinky nasty pool in wire pass all the other mud pools seemed to blend together with none being particularly more extreme then the other. Enough people have walked through that much of the mud in between the water holes has been compacted so just walk in the steps of those that have become before you and it's a pretty manageable hike. I'd save yourself the weight and not dry bag all your gear except maybe your sleeping bag and clothes just to be safe as I guess if you were to slip while hiking through the mud puddles you could end up getting your gear wet. Honestly, just take your time and use your poles and the sides of the canyon wall to keep your balance and save yourself the hassle and weight of dry bags.

I can't stress enough the importance of having good shoes with ankle support. This is rocky terrain with multiple drop offs of a few feet at a time that make it extremely easy to roll an ankle. In fact someone got helicoptered out at the campsites just above the Paria - Buckskin confluence because they injured their ankle during the hike.

As always conditions can change so check the weather, call the ranger station, and check the paria water flows to get an idea of what conditions are like currently before beginning your hike.

Enjoy!!!

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Coke Ovens via Battle AxeGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 14 2012
louie
Hiking2.75 Miles 300 AEG
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Just made another attempt to get to the coke ovens. This time from battle Axe Rd. It took us about 90 minutes from the 177 turnoff to get to the Gila River. Very thankful for the Battle Axe gps routes as there are a number of forks in the road, but the posted routes kept us from getting lost. The road is in pretty good shape. Made the trip in a stock jeep liberty 4x4. There is one boulder crawl, maybe five miles from the 177 turnoff, after you go through a gate that vehicle length will be an issue. Having 4 low would be highly recommended to keep the vehicle under control during the steep descents. Once you get to the river plan on walking. You would need some sort of insanely modified four wheel drive machine to make it up the last hill. The river was flowing pretty good and waved to the campers on the other side.

Once again I was thwarted from actually making it to the ovens as daylight became an issue and since I had my six and eight year old in tow didn't want to hike back down the sketchy road in the dark. I think this was my fourth time trying to get to the ovens. I learned after two separate trips from the Cochran side you need to check the Gila River flow before thinking it will be an easy stroll across the river. Tried coming in from Box Canyon another time, but the road was just to brutal for my stock jeep liberty.

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