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Feb 21 2026
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Second Water Trail #236Phoenix, AZ
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VashtiTriplogs 292
Hiking4.09 Miles 537 AEG
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Beautiful day for a hike! Short and sweet rehab hike for me given tendon woes. I was so happy to be hiking again!

Lots and lots of people out, as expected. Saw one considerable pool of water headed up to garden mesa. Put out someone's smoldering ashes from their morning campfire on garden Mesa. 😵‍💫

Quite a bit of wildflowers, but not insane.
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Marsh Valley LoopPhoenix, AZ
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LindaAnnTriplogs 2,793
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Supes day today. We got started from First Water around 0715. Warmish temps to start, but some high clouds. Took Dutchman to Bull Pass, then Bull Pass up to Black Top Mesa. The moments of shade were nice. Nice break atop the mesa, with a good breeze.

Continued east on Bull Pass, a moment on Dutchman again, then north on Cavalry. The east half of Cavalry could use some work. The trail is vague and brushy in spots. At one point, Kelly was leading, and she stopped abruptly and said “cameras.” We obeyed immediately and got some nice pics of a Gila monster on the trail. He looked a bit underfed. Lunch break in some shade, then the western half of Cavalry was in better shape. I wished the breeze had stuck around. Saw two sort of lost hikers. We provided no helpful information.

North on Boulder Canyon. West on Second Water to finish the loop. I never like the rocky sections of Second Water. Saw five backpackers. Overall, a very quiet day. Great hike and company. Fun day.
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Plenty of flowers.

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Plenty of water in Boulder Creek
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trekkin_geckoTriplogs 4,843
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met up with linda and bruce around 0715 at first water
the initial objective was black top mesa, then to be determined
dutchman, bull pass and up the well defined use trail to btm
such a great spot with 360 views of the superstitions and some inscriptions to hunt for
we took a break here just enjoying the surroundings
back down to bull pass, we decided to complete the marsh valley loop
nice to see things from the opposite direction
cavalry trail is kind of a mess from fire and flooding
we spotted a gila monster on the trail
took a lunch break along the way
dropped into boulder canyon and finished up on second water
nothing like a big uphill at the end of a long day
good combo of a classic loop and a high point
thanks for inviting me! always good to hike with linda and bruce :)
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Garden Valley LoopPhoenix, AZ
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It had been eight years since I’d been up on Black Top Mesa, so it was definitely time for a return trip. We had a couple of loop options in mind and decided on the Marsh Valley loop after descending from the Mesa. The temperatures were pleasant throughout the day, with filtered clouds fending off the sun's stronger rays for the majority of our hike.

Dutchman Trail #104
This section of the Dutchman has never been a favorite of mine, but with all the greenery and flowers, it was actually quite nice. Passing East Boulder Canyon, you get some great views of Weaver’s Needle.

Bull Pass Trail #129
This climb really gets the heart beating! It’s short and feels like more than a 300-foot climb, but you get a bit of a break once you reach the Bull Pass Saddle.

Black Top Mesa
It’s another 600-foot gain to the top at the south end of Black Top Mesa. We checked out the petroglyphs and other assorted carvings. The views from this spot are easily some of the best in the Supes. After taking a break and enjoying the breeze, we headed down. The path across the mesa is much more defined now than it was on my last trip.

Cavalry Trail #239
We started seeing water along the Cavalry Trail, along with more evidence of previous fires. You need to pay attention along here, as the trail gets thin in spots.

Boulder Canyon Trail #103
More burn area along here, but the geology in the colored cliff bands is beautiful. We had lunch in one of the few shady spots available. As we continued, views of The Battleship’s stern came into sight.

Second Water Trail #236
This was our last "earnest" climb of the day. We also encountered our first fellow hikers here; most were backpackers on their way into the wilderness.

It was great to get back out to the Supes and hike with Kelly and Linda again.
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Poppies, Blue Richards, Owl Clover, Brittlebush, Indian Paintbrush, Fairy Duster and stinkweed to name just a few. They were substantial in pockets.

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Did not check out the spring, but it's thick, green and moist in the canyon.

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Jan 31 2026
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Yellow Peak - SuperstitionsPhoenix, AZ
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Yellow Black Black

Beautiful Saturday in the Superstition Mountains as January comes to close 15 miles 3600 AEG. Temperatures were low 60s to amazing 80s across the 7-hour day. Tackled 3 peaks with @John10s, well it was more like BEHIND John as he led the pack for the day. Respect. John was moving so fast I had to do high speed time lapse photography. Took Second Water Black Mesa and hit Yellow Peak 3061 first. If you’ve ever gone up, it’s pretty much just up over the rolly boulders to the top least resistance. Random pointless cairns here and there… The Superstition are super green with full wildflower explosion right now. Was trying to remember the last time it looked like this, this early for spring… Poppies lupines hyacinths globemallow brittlebush explosion and everything else…

Working with clear sky but a bit low visibility, signed the summit register and headed down. I’m ready for some more rain to keep things popping. Regrouped in Boulder Basin, which is making ongoing recovery after be desolated by the Sawtooth Fire. The fried Bull Pass sign has been replaced which was nice to see. Ran into a gang of cool kids coming down from a secret mission @wallyfrack @adilling @DarthStiller. It was mission accomplished I gather. Spent a little time at second destination Peak 3354 (aka Black Top Mesa) noshing and reading inscriptions scattered across the mesa. I usually find new ones here and there. The social trail to The End is pretty worked in now. A lot of the cactus forest that used to be up there is no longer. Pretty easy navigation to just about any place you want to get to now.

Back down Bull Pass reversed up Black Mesa trail for the final summit Peak 3097 aka Black Mesa. Also making good post-Sawtooth-fire recovery and a mild slope traverse to summit More scenic shots and group bonding before the descent. At this point everybody was racing back to end the day. Took my time and rode the caboose back to First Water TH. Was a steady day there with folks coming and going. These are all places I’ve been before but never on the same day. The overall was a bit faster than I usually hike so taxed me a bit, but cannot wait till my next trip… As the saying goes, “another great day in the mountains”.
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Yellow Peak - Black Top Mesa - Peak 3097, AZ 
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I joined a MeetUp group that was going to hit three peaks (more like a peak and two mesas) in the western Superstitions, starting from First Water Trailhead. We set out with a group of 11 at ~7:20AM and took Second Water to Black Mesa Trail, then SE toward Yellow Peak. I hadn't been up there in a few years, and it was a short but steep approach to the summit, with even better views than I remembered.

After a few minutes regrouping at the top, we dropped back down to Black Mesa Trail and continued south toward Black Top Mesa. Going up, we passed @wallyfrack, @DarthStiller and his Steelers attire, and @adilling on their way down. Up on top, the group gathered around the sunburst and enjoyed the views and a snack break before heading back down for stop number three.

We hiked north on Black Mesa Trail back toward Yellow Peak, then left the trail and hiked up the grassy meadow to the southwest toward Peak 3097. The grade wasn't bad at all, though there were lots of rocks hidden in the tall grass. I hadn't been to 3097 before and wasn't sure what to expect for views from the mesa, but it was surprisingly nice--lots of healthy saguaros up there, and that spot is perched on a cliff edge overlooking Parker Pass and has great views of Weaver's Needle, Yellow Peak, Malapais, and the Goldfields.

We finished off the hike on Black Mesa/Second Water Trails again and were done a little after 2PM. Didn't see any interesting wildlife (as expected with a group that large), and though we didn't encounter much water, it was very green out there, with plenty of flowers blooming. Beautiful day to be outside--very warm for January, with temps pushing 80°. And nice to see @ScottHika again and meet some new people!
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Jan 22 2026
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Black Mesa Loop - Superstition MtnsPhoenix, AZ
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CannondaleKidTriplogs 2,496
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Having done this hike in late November 2025, when it had been almost 4 years since the previous trip, I didn't expect to be doing this one again for quite some time.

However, Tracey had a chance to hike with a friend she had last backpacked with some 5(?) years ago (AZT in the Mazatzals) and this was the hike they came up with.

Still not quite sure how my knees would hold out on the rough downhill stuff descending from Black Mesa toward Dutchman, I prepared for the possibility of turning back around the 3-mile point by bringing my tablet. So if I turned back early I could catch up on my reading while waiting for their return.

As it turned out, we were on such a slow pace that by time I thought to take stock of how my knees felt, we were almost halfway, so I stuck with it. However, well before reaching the Dutchman Trail I was beginning to wish I turned back. It wasn't so much the knees as the lower back taking a beating on the steep, rocky and sometimes loose tread... yup, on my LEAST favorite part of this hike.

Upon reaching the Dutchman Trail we stopped for a short lunch break, before heading back on the Dutchman. This is usually the part of the trail I've been on so many times in the same direction that I detest it. The only way I could do it on this day was to get myself into a sort of trance, dropping my mind into cruise-control for the balance of the hike. Good thing my subconscious mind paid constant attention to the trail as there were plenty of rough and rocky spots which could easily have produced a hard fall.

In the end, I'm a bit surprised how many photos I took in the last few hours, because even now I hardly remember taking them.
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2nd week in a row where the lot was full. Then pull offs were mostly full as well. Said hello to others at TH before backtracking. This is a beautiful loop.

Second Water is fairly straight forward and flat doing this clockwise. Gotta keep the eyes peeled to follow the ever changing trail through this section of Boulder Canyon.

Dutchman is where the group split off. 3 shot out at warp speed. 4 of us kept a strong stride. Three took a more chill pace back. Avg bout 100 ft gain per mile. As long as you do your homework, can't go wrong when exploring the Supes.
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Chris was in town while traveling between CA and NM, so we made plans to hike today. Got started from First Water around 0730. East on Second Water, then south across Black Mesa.

Ran into an acquaintance (Shea) as we got onto Dutchman. Chatted for a moment, then continued in opposite directions. Headed up Bull Pass, which has seen some erosion, then up Black Top Mesa. Humid on the climb. Took a break at the top, then headed back down. Took Dutchman all the way back to the trailhead. The clouds for the final few miles were nice.

Lots of green out there. Great to see Chris again!
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Double Black Mesa Figure Eight, AZ 
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First hike of the year and first time back in the Superstitions since last spring. We started from First Water TH ~8AM, with quite a few vehicles already there, but the trails didn’t seem too busy. We stayed on Dutchman headed for Black Top Mesa, and water was hit or miss along the way--some crossings and drainages had small pools or a light flow; others were completely dry. But everything was greener and more overgrown with grasses than my last trip to the Supes, and wildflowers were blooming nicely.

We took Bull Pass Trail around the north side of Black Top and looped back around on Dutchman. The sky clouded over and remained mostly cloudy the rest of the day, so the lighting wasn't the best for pictures, but the stretch between Black Top Mesa and Palomino Mountain is always colorful and scenic. We stopped for a break along the drainage, then completed the loop and took Black Mesa Trail back toward First Water to make it a figure-eight and avoid repeating trails on the way out.

We saw a total of ~15-20 people on the trails over the course of the day by the time we finished. These were all familiar trails and locations, but it was a nice medium-length hike and good to get back out in the Superstitions.
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Medium pool and light flow along the trail west of the water marking

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May 17 2025
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Marsh Valley LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking15.28 Miles 1,870 AEG
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I told Wally I would meet him at First Water TH. When I left 10 min earlier than I expected, I texted him and told him I would start without him if I got there first. At the end of Brown/Lost Dutchman Road before 88, I saw him speeding by on 88. I figured I might catch him on First Water Road, but he was even faster there. Looks like he can drive fast when he wants to :lol: .

did the loop counter clockwise heading out on Second Water Trail first. I kicked out a javelina on the descent into Boulder Canyon. It was a little startling as it remained still until I was about 6 feet away and then it bolted across the trail right in front of me. It made it up the the hill in what looked effortless, across all the loose volcanic rock.

Wally pointed out some interesting spots he knew about on the way down to Boulder Canyon, which was cool to learn about. Boulder Canyon was nothing major and then we headed up Calvary Trail. On the east side Wally pointed out where he discovered ruins on previous expeditions, and I got zoomed in pics the best I could.

On the LDT to Bull Pass we saw 2 deer, I got a few nice shots. Bull Pass was a bit of a slog and then downhill wasn't worse, but was slower with steep grades and loose rock.

Finished in 7.5 hours, with no lunch break. I didn't feel too beat but navigating over the rocky trails on the last mile was a bit more of an effort than usual. Saw 5 hikers total all day. It was little warm at the end but still not too hot to make this harder than it would normally be.
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The real heat hasn't started just yet but when Chris mentioned Marsh Valley Loop I was thinking of a plan B if it got too hot. We started early and is was still nice and cool. There was even shade in Boulder Canyon for much of the way so I knew it would be good to finish the entire hike.

There was one hiker that hiked Battleship. Het passed us on the way in but I got back to the trailhead about 6 minutes before him. He said he spent a lot of time trail finding.

The trails were easy to follow. The burned out sections of Cavalry trail were open for the most part but there was some downed brush to hike around. It didn't really warm up until we hit Dutchman trail.

We saw fuana on this trip. A javelina, two deer, a rat, squirrels, a hawk and the circling vultures.
I rested a few times in the shade but once the shade disappeared I kept moving. Not a lot of hikers out but it was a nice day. I still had water left at the end. It was still frozen or I would have drank it.
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May 07 2025
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Decided to take advantage of the last day of the unseasonably pleasant temperatures. 52 to start, slowly climbed into the 60s and eventually topped out at 76 when the sun was out. Still a cool breeze though and plenty of clouds to keep the sun from ruining things too much.

Hadn't walked 2nd Water since it burned. Met all the expectations I'd been given from other visits I'd seen reports of. Meh.

Boulder Canyon is unburned so that's nice. This trail has gotten a lot more use over the years and is pretty much a highway now. Despite the recent stormy weather, still not a drop of water remaining on the surface.

Took the old boots route up to the saddle, though there's a newer one that gets plenty of use a bit to the north which I used on the descent. Straightforward trip across to the summit. High clouds made for some flat light and lackluster views. Took a solid break to enjoy some 8am m&ms and gummybears for breakfast. :D

Passed the only other humans on the day along the 103. Turning onto 236 I decided to head up canyon, which I had not previously done. The burn here is fairly complete, so there's no mystery to any of it. Plentiful water, though it looked stagnant and unappealing. I imagine these pools now heat up to gross temperatures with the lack of shade surrounding them.

Made some attempt to find the Stoker Trail. Don't bother, there's no sign of it anymore. But it's an easy ashy traverse back to 236 even without obvious tread.

Quick work back to the trailhead. Sun came out for a bit and it felt warmer than the thermometer indicated. Go figure. Hit a solid rain shower on the drive home which is always a nice May treat here.
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dry Boulder Creek at #103 / #236 Jct Dry Dry
It rained yesterday, and there's not even a puddle.


water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max La Barge Box Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Deep pool visible from above. No flow.

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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Second Water Spring Dripping Dripping
Plenty of pools of algae-topped water and a very light trickle from one pool to the next. Filterable? Sure. But it doesn't look appealing at first glance.
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ScaredyCatTriplogs 234
Hiking16.74 Miles 2,389 AEG
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Was eyeing a Meetup for Marsh Valley Loop. However, the numbers scared peeps away and the event was cancelled. I was then able to convince 2 friends to do this plus the high point. 😎

Met 1 not far from me at 7. Start hike at 8:30. So we did the Black Top Mesa outing. There is no sign for Bull Pass and is a bit out of the way to find. This is where it gets steep & rocky. The use trail from there has cairns along the path. Was surprised to see 1 other hiker descending from the high point.

Instead of going back the way we came, we looped it. Props to @trekkin_gecko as his triplog inspired this outing. Much of this route is chill but at the end u have to climb back out 2nd Water. 🫤
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Mar 16 2025
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Hackberry Mesa Gold Loop, AZ 
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The retired dude, who's busier than a focused college student, suddenly had an opening in his schedule. Based on memory, the proposed route looked horrible but a hike indeed.

On my first non-local glorified walk in months, a rarely experienced condition surfaced within a half mile. Excessive wear of baby-soft skin gave way to... a friggen blister. The king of prepared sorted through his first aid kit. Forceps, retractors, scalpel. Bingo, sports tape!

We worked over to and followed FR1455 to the old ranch/canopy/windmill site, Bruce said he's never visited. Next up was Oro Butte. Which is easy to get to for all. Slightly challenging for my balance to ascend. 456 nightmare for me to get down to Boulder. Yet he can't do Lion. Oh whatever.

Concern ahead from step one was the tango on the horizon. Boulder hopping Boulder Creek with unprepared stabilization muscle groups. Looming were the intense screams from a strong hiking buddy being tortured by hopping Agua Fria from Badger. I've seen it with others in Woods Canyon, too. Never pretty to witness, and you certainly don't wanna experience it.

Got lucky. Only hopped small 3-4 footers for maybe 0.1-0.25 mi. Not 3+ miles as assumed. In hindsight(first glance...lol), coulda cut over to #103 too.

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The 2024 Siphon Fire covers 92.8% of this loop. The 2020 Supersitition Fire covers the southern third. More unique than a tear-jerker. Creeks are not running. Plenty of clear enough pools to filter for huge groups. This loop isn't my cup of tea. Good to get out regardless.
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[ checklist ]  Garden Valley
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Something yellow in DeathbedGarden Valley. Hints of filaree. Origin of cheatgrass. Brittle bush leaves playing peekaboo. Sprig a Desert Globe Mallow with two blooms.
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Hackberry Mesa Gold Loop, AZ 
Hackberry Mesa Gold Loop, AZ
 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,897
Hiking11.94 Miles 2,033 AEG
Hiking11.94 Miles   8 Hrs   7 Mns   1.79 mph
2,033 ft AEG   1 Hour   27 Mns Break
 
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On a bigger hike we did five years ago, I stumbled upon the word "ORO" and some arrows etched into a rock face, well away from any trail. I told myself I'd come back someday and make a half-arsed effort to find a route off the top of this peak in the general direction of the arrow.

Starting from the First Water Trailhead, we walked back toward the horse lot for a short distance before going cross-country to join up with the now-defunct FR1455. We connected with some use trails that are in better shape than most of the trails in the Supes, and two miles in, we started our off-trail jaunt. It was easy going for the most part until we began our climb to the unnamed/unnumbered peak at about 2,740 feet in elevation. We let the wind dry us up a bit and then headed over to the minor peak that held the inscription. It’s still there (Joe had his doubts).

Now the fun began—finding our way to the wash. It was loose and slow going, taking 50 minutes to travel 0.6 miles. We had a bit of a break before tackling our next uncertainty: dropping into Boulder Canyon. There were a few dry falls to bypass and some brushy areas, but an hour later and one mile in, we made it into Boulder Canyon.

Joe was glad for the 1.5 miles of boulder hopping and reed thrashing. Once we reached the Second Water Trail, we began seeing humans.

We were in and out of fire-scarred terrain for the entire hike. Some areas looked like a burned moonscape, with nothing more destroyed than Garden Valley.

The temperatures were good throughout the day, and there were plenty of pools of water out there from the recent rains.
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Boulder Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Boulder Creek at #103 / #236 Jct Pools to trickle Pools to trickle

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Second Water Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Did not check the spring location but there was a light flow in the creek
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 Chandler, AZ
Battleship Mountain - SuperstitionsPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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John10sTriplogs 398
Hiking12.68 Miles 2,247 AEG
Hiking12.68 Miles   10 Hrs   39 Mns   1.65 mph
2,247 ft AEG   2 Hrs   59 Mns Break
 
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Today was a return to an old Superstition favorite--I've been up Battleship a few times, but it had been more than five years since my last visit. And it would (hopefully) be a redemption hike for TboneKathy--last time she tried Battleship in March 2017, we ran out of time and didn't make the top, and she took a tumble in the creek bed on the hike out that resulted in a fractured wrist. She hadn't been back since. So the goals today were simple: (1) get TboneKathy to the peak, and (2) don't break anything.

We started ~7AM from First Water TH, which was surprisingly empty for a weekend. This was my first time back there since the fires, and it wasn't great--the area around the trailhead and the first few miles along Second Water were all burned to varying degrees, and the smell of ash and charcoal was a constant until we got closer to Boulder Canyon. There were a few pools along Second Water Trail on the descent, but Boulder Canyon was almost completely dry despite the recent rain.

The use trail leading up to the south end of Battleship was more defined than I remembered and was easy to follow, then we started the fun with the first scramble up onto Battleship and continued north into the obstacles. In March 2017 we turned around just before the bridge/wall not too far from the peak, but TboneKathy was convinced today that most of the top of the ship was uncharted territory for her: "Are you sure I climbed up this before?!" Yes, you did :).

We scrambled through the various boulders and cracks and eventually crossed the bridge and reached the wall, the last big obstacle. With some pack shuttling and creative teamwork, TboneKathy made it up first, and with some further encouragement and some minor complaining through the last few obstacles, we reached summit, goal #1 complete. We had the peak to ourselves, a pleasant surprise given Battleship's popularity. There was no register on top--the pink ammo box that had been up there for years is gone. We ate lunch and enjoyed the views, then took some pictures and started down.

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As we reversed through the obstacles on the return, TboneKathy thought she saw a fox or wolf down below on the west side of Battleship, but I never caught more than a glimpse of a tail that looked a lot like a squirrel, so her sighting remains in dispute :). We heard voices and saw two guys down in La Barge Canyon, but other than one person coming down on our way up in the morning, we didn't see anyone on Battleship. The views of La Barge, Peak 2830, Weaver's Needle, Malapais, and the Ridgeline were fantastic as always and better than I remembered.

[ youtube video ]

The hike out was blissfully uneventful with no fractured bones, successfully completing goal #2. Weather-wise, the day was just about perfect, and I was happy to see TboneKathy reach the peak after waiting 8 years. Lots of great memories hiking Battleship with friends over the years, and it was fun to be back after a long time away for another memorable day.
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Boulder Creek at #103 / #236 Jct Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
A few small pools, but mostly dry

dry La Barge Creek - E of Battleship Mtn Dry Dry
Viewed from above, no obvious water in the creek bed, but some pools in La Barge Box
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Battleship Mountain - SuperstitionsPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking12.44 Miles 2,051 AEG
Hiking12.44 Miles   6 Hrs   49 Mns   2.21 mph
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This has been on my list for years. Picked up a friend at 8. Met one other at 8:45. Start hike at 9:30. Not much EG for a while on this one. Needless to say, that does change. 😎

Once you leave the official trail, the hike becomes far more aggressive. There is a use trail. This eventually turns to scrambling. There is exposure involved. I can see how this could be too much for some.

We passed up the high point for better views just beyond. The descent wasn't as difficult as I thought it may be. Just when you think you the adventure is winding down, you climb back out.

Would have expected the tracker to show more AEG than this.The 7 hour estimate was right on for us. Back home bout 6. Hoping to pursue further Supes hikes soon that have stagnated on my list for too long...
 
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Second Water Trail #236Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking11.50 Miles 2,070 AEG
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Saw some information about possible cliff dwellings so off I went. Of course there wasn't anything up there except some fool sliding up and down the slopes but I had to. The morning was breezy and cold in the open. Once out of the wind it was nice. Garden Valley is an interesting walk, with the moonscape you can see the canals and how large of and area it is. Second Water Canyon had a lot of water which was a surprise. You could easily filter in several spots if needed. La Barge Creek is dry but I didn't go all the way to the lower box. I scrambled up the slope to the cliff band and then back along the cliff band and found a way back down. Loose and steep was the challenge for the day. Once back on trail I was so happy the hills on the trail seemed like nothing. Lots of hikers out but it wasn't crowded by any means. A good hike but I won't be going up to those cliffs again.
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Hackberry Spring LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking5.60 Miles 908 AEG
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First full family hike we've done in as long as I can remember. Both kids are in college now and one is no longer a teenager :o . The early wakeup is met with the same teenage exuberance, but once we're out a mile or so on the trail, the moods start to improve.

Took the Second Water Trail to the first horse trail junction and headed down towards Hackberry Spring and then up the hill. Just before our ascent we saw a small herd of deer, at least 3, maybe 4 or more. Almost missed the junction for the trail to the Clapp Mine as it's pretty faint and right next to where the Hackberry Spring Trail makes a hard right turn.

Got to the mine and this time I packed my headlamp so I went inside a bit. It's really much warmer in there than outside in the shade, which was probably lower 50s. This seemed in contrast with the Lava River Tube in Flag where it's much cooler inside. I didn't go too far in because I've seen other posts where there are bats further back. also saw some mice scat piles and a snakeskin, so I was was good to explore as much as I did. Natasha followed me in but Radmila and Dmitri wanted nothing to do with it. [-(

On the way back we made a loop of it heading up to Garden Valley and checked out the Indian ruin. Still lots of sherds left out for people to easily find, one was really big. It's interesting how busy this trail is but the majority of people who walk by this have no idea.

Made it back to the lot and stopped for lunch on the way home, followed by an afternoon powernap by everyone. Saw quite a bit for a short hike, turned out very nice. Cruising into Xmas time.
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