West Webber #228 to Geronimo #240 • Hike • Arizona • All Triplogs • HikeArizona.COM

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I've been wanting to get over here to check out the damage from last years WEST fire. I was going to do it yesterday to avoid the plethora of Labor Day monkeys up on Milk Ranch Point. I knew that the rain yesterday morning would have made the Geronimo trail a slip-fest, so today was the day.

On the drive in, I saw a pride of deer, a gaggle of elk, and a school of turkeys. It was in the 60s with a breeze to start, and there was one other car at the trailhead. To begin, you are on the Highline/AZT for a quarter mile through a pretty section of trail after crossing Webber Creek.

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Geronimo Trail #240

I am not a fan of this old road, which is now a trail. It's washed out, rocky, and just not fun, but it's a means to get to the good stuff.

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West Webber Trail #228

I'm happy to say that the maples, oaks, and pines on West Webber appear to be mainly unscathed in the lower elevations. It should be a good autumn color hike this year.

The burn damage was much more evident after the intersection of West Webber and Milk Ranch Point West. This is also where the elevation gain ramps up a bit. While going up, I passed the only hiker/runner I saw all day, who was headed down.

I had a 1.5-mile road walk on FR218 to get to the Turkey Spring Trail. It being a holiday weekend, I expected a zoo. The first half of my walk was pleasant and quiet. The closer I got to Dickerson Flat, not so much. There were 20+ RVs and campers, all with ORVs, motorcycles, etc. Luckily, this is where I hit the Turkey Springs Trail.

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Turkey Springs Trail #217

The damage on Turkey Springs is a lot more evident, especially toward the top right after you drop off the edge. On the bright side, it opened up the views.

I met the runner again as I was going down Turkey Springs; he was coming up. After a little conversation, he mentioned that he was scouting out part of the route for the Mogollon Monster, which is being run next week (101.8 miles - 16,544 AEG).

The lower sections of the Turkey Springs Trail are in decent shape, both tread-wise and burn-wise. I'd forgotten about the nice rim views here.

I passed up a scenic rock outcropping that I've noted in previous hikes. I had no interest in attempting to climb it.

Further down, I checked out the flowing Turkey Spring, washed off my face, and soaked my hat.

From here on out, I was on the same track that I had headed in on. It was a shady, breezy 82 degrees to finish.

So to sum up,
West Webber still should be an excellent choice for Maples and Oaks.
Turkey Springs has Oaks in the upper stretches and they should be mostly good. This trail took most of it's fire damage in the upper half after dropping off the rim.

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[ checklist ] Turkey Spring

Wildflowers Observation Isolated

Dickenson Flat Tank

Dry

	South Fork of West Webber Creek	Pools to trickle	Pools to trickle

Turkey Spring

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Webber Creek @ Highline

Light flow

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Jun 17 2023

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Fountain Hills,

Geronimo Turkey Milk, AZ

Hiking		Jun 17 2023
		DixieFlyer • Triplogs 1,374

Hiking	10.57 Miles	2,400 AEG

Hiking	10.57 Miles	5 Hrs 33 Mns	2.28 mph
	2,400 ft AEG	55 Mns Break

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This is a fun hike that I haven't done in about 4 years, so I decided to head up to the Rim and enjoy some nice weather and do this hike again.

We did a lasso loop hike with the loop done in a CCW fashion.

It was a tough climb up to the Rim, but not too bad. A highlight of the hike was stopping at the rock climbing that is about 3/4 of the way up the Turkey Springs Trail. There are great views on the rock outcropping and it is fun to scramble around on the rocks.

We took a break at a nice campsite up on Milk Ranch Point before heading back. On the way back we took the West Webber Trail all the way back down instead of taking the West Webber-Geronimo Connector like I usually do.

It was another fun day up on the Rim!

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Webber Creek @ Highline

Light flow

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Jun 13 2023

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Payson, Arizona

Geronimo - Turkey Springs - West Webber, AZ

Hiking		Jun 13 2023
		PaysonRealtorAZ • Triplogs 10

Hiking	12.76 Miles	2,726 AEG

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I started at the Geronimo Trailhead and took the Geronimo Trail to a loop hike, starting with Turkey Springs, then FR 218, and back down West Webber Creek Trail.

I had trouble finding the trail around Turkey Springs, but ultimately was able to get back on it by keeping close the tracks in the official guide. Great views from the Turkey Springs but it was a real grind. I've hiked a bunch of these trails to the Rim, including the Babe Haught Trail just a few days before, but it seemed harder.

I'm glad that I did the West Webber Creek Trail coming back down. It has a lot of shade and it was great to have that on my way back to the trailhead.

I've seen it said that the West Webber Creek Trail is great in fall, and while I hiked in summer, I can totally see where it would be a great fall trail. The vegetation lends itself to that.

Wildflowers Observation Isolated
Some Columbines by the creek and probably a few others in spots that I didn't pay as much attention too. The biggest thing was that the Manzanitas were flowering, particularly near the top of the Rim on the Turkey Springs Trail.

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Oct 10 2022

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Far NE Phoenix,

Milk Ranch Point West - West Webber, AZ

Hiking		Oct 10 2022
		The_Eagle • Triplogs 2,760

Hiking	7.31 Miles	1,289 AEG

Hiking	7.31 Miles	3 Hrs 6 Mns		2.46 mph
	1,289 ft AEG	8 Mns Break	12 LBS Pack

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Geronimo - West Webber Connector

South Fork of West Webber Creek

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I thought I'd try this track to see if there was potentially some early color. Hiking these trails in the past, I knew there are lots of maples and oaks, with a smattering of AZ Walnut.

I was surprised there were 4 cars at the TH when I arrived. 6 when I left. I never saw another person all day except for the TH.

Geronimo Trail #240 is not a favorite of mine. It's an old road that has eroded in many spots. The only plus on this trail is the views to the rim.

At the 2 mile mark, you hit the BSA TR - Milk Ranch Point West Trail. There is no sign at the Geronimo Trail. The trail is tight in spots but easy to follow. There are about a dozen logs over the trail to where it meets the West Webber Trail. All but the last one on way up are easy to go over or under. I asked for color and I got it. Green is a color. Less than 1% has turned.

At the intersection with West Webber I made the decision to head down West Webber instead of continuing to the rim. There was a light rain and thunder crackling overhead and nearby.

West Webber #228 is in much better shape. I really love this trail and would do it much more frequently, if it didn't require the Geronimo from below for access. Lots of old growth makes for a thick canopy.

Back on Geronimo for my return to the TH, footing was slippery from all the rain. One more reason to love Geronimo.

Give this track 2 weeks and the colors should be poppin'

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Sep 18 2021

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Up and over X2 on Milk Ranch Point, AZ

Hiking		Sep 18 2021
		The_Eagle • Triplogs 2,760

Hiking	16.89 Miles	3,991 AEG

Hiking	16.89 Miles	7 Hrs 59 Mns		2.30 mph
	3,991 ft AEG	38 Mns Break	14 LBS Pack

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I got dropped off at the Pine TH to start this hike. I hadn't been on Donahue or Turkey Springs in quite awhile, so I worked up a route that would hit both. I also like the views and rock scramble of the East Rim, so my route was set.

I followed a cow elk for awhile up the Highline Trail, until she got bored.

Up Donahue, it's mostly in good shape. Like many trails this year, it is starting to fill in. The biggest problem for me, was the extended gnat season. The pesky little SOB's

Down West Webber for the first time. The top portion of this trail is a steep one. This trail is loaded with maple that should explode with their fall color next month. There's also plenty of old growth Ponderosa. Very little light gets through to this trail, so no need to worry about the orb cooking you. There is some downfall on the trail, but it's easily avoided.

Up on Turkey Springs trail. For a trail that's less than a mile away, it has an entirely different feel. There is very little protection from the sun. It's mostly manzanita and juniper. What it does give you is vast views of the rim. Up top, I had my lunch with a view.

I headed across Dickerson Flat to the upper TH of The East Rim Trail. This is all off trail and there a lot of prickly locust to try and navigate through. I was lucky enough to find an old FR and then a game trail for awhile. But it got thick after that.

On the East Rim Trail, I really love the upper half of this trail/route. You have the great views and I love the rock scrambling. The lower half drags on a bit, because it's steep and slippery.

The squirrels were having a great time all day with their nuts.
There is a bumper crop of acorns this year.

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	Milk Ranch Point - Webber Tank	26-50% full	26-50% full
	Muddy

Medium flow

	South Fork of West Webber Creek	Light flow	Light flow

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Aug 08 2020

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Geronimo Turkey Milk, AZ

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I was once again looking to escape the heat of the valley, and decided to head back to the Rim Country. This time, I did a lollipop loop hike starting from the Geronimo TH and going up to Milk Ranch Point.

We did the loop CCW by going up on the Turkey Trail and coming back down on the West Webber Trail.

You'll get a good workout on the ascent up the Turkey Trail -- about 2/3 of the way up we stopped and climbed up on a cool rock outcropping that has some great views.

The trails were generally in good shape, although the West Webber Trail is getting a little overgrown in places, mainly with some small maple trees and some sumac.

The drive in on the Control Road and the forest road leading to the Boy Scout Camp were both in good shape -- most any vehicle could easily drive it. I wish that the western part of Rim Road 300 was in similar condition!

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Sep 02 2018

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Fountain Hills,

Geronimo-Turkey-West Webber, AZ

Hiking		Sep 02 2018
		KBKB • Triplogs 237

Hiking	10.88 Miles	2,388 AEG

Hiking	10.88 Miles	5 Hrs 54 Mns		2.22 mph
	2,388 ft AEG	1 Hour Break	26 LBS Pack

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My wife and I were joined by two friends for a Sunday hike in Rim country.

Starting from the Geronimo Trailhead, we hiked Geronimo #240, Turkey Trail #217, FS 218 (atop Milk Ranch Point), West Webber #228, and back on Geronimo.

We saw lots of folks camping near FS 440 as we drove out. We also saw lots of folks camping on top of the rim. We saw two young girls driving/riding a quad and heard a bunch of shooting nearby. (This was on top of the rim.)

Thankfully, the actual trails were a lot quieter and more peaceful, though we could still hear occasional shooting in the distance. The trails that we hiked were all in good condition, though there was some deadfall that we had to cross or walk around in a few places. Nothing too hard.

We might have gotten slightly off route while getting to the start of Turkey Trail #217. There was a sign for Turkey Spring and a somewhat less distinct trail which I figured led to the spring. However, staying on what appeared to be the better defined track showed something of deviation from the GPS track that I had loaded up. It turned out that the road/trail that I was on eventually intersected the Turkey Trail, so all was well.

Actually, there seem to be a few other "extra" trails in that area.

On the way down on the Webber Trail, we encountered a fork. The left fork looked better; the right fork had a sign which mentioned "BSA rim something" - I don't remember the exact wording. I followed the left fork for a short ways, but my GPS watch showed that that we were getting off track. (I do think it would have worked out just fine though.) Anyway, we ended up on the BSA trail - I really liked it. It had just enough growth that I had to occasionally look to see where to go next. At one point we came to a "bridge" across a ravine which consisted of four wooden planks. It didn't look especially safe, but I walked across it anyway. The span I chose didn't creak at all and ended up being sturdier than I expected. It would have been possible to cross here by descending 8-10 feet down into the ravine and then up the other side, but it was steep and walking across the planks ended up being oh so much easier.

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Jul 08 2017

LindaAnn

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Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ

Hiking		Jul 08 2017
		LindaAnn • Triplogs 2,600

Hiking	14.85 Miles	3,532 AEG

Hiking	14.85 Miles	6 Hrs 21 Mns	2.58 mph
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All new territory for me, so I mostly followed along and tried to keep up. We got started around 7:30 to a cloudless sky, and it was already warm and muggy. We didn't see anyone for the first few miles, but after turning on to Geronimo, there was a steady stream of trail runners. We stopped and chatted with them several times, and also took a lunch break in the shade along the creek. Once atop the Rim, we could see clouds forming and moved pretty steadily after that. It was pretty warm on the way down Donahue, and once on Highline again, it felt sweltering. Just as I was about to complain about the heat, the clouds moved in, along with a rain cooled breeze. The last mile back to the trailhead was accompanied with heavy rain, some hail, and too close lightning. I even jogged, and I hate jogging, but getting to the car and out of the lightning seemed like a priority at that point. Great hike and good to get out of the Phoenix heat. It was about 70 degrees at the end of the hike, and I was greeted with 113 by the time I got back to my house a couple hours later.

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Jul 08 2017

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Joined Mar 18 2015
Payson, AZ

Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ

Hiking		Jul 08 2017
		The_N • Triplogs 325

Hiking	14.85 Miles	3,532 AEG

Hiking	14.85 Miles	6 Hrs 21 Mns	2.58 mph
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We started from Red Rock Springs TH and did this loop CCW, I have only done it the other way. Getting the Highline section done early was the aim. Humidity was certainly a factor during the earlier hours, though. Once we reached Geronimo the stream of trail runners would begin. We breaked along West Webber Creek, below Turkey Spring. Had a snack and replenished my water supply that dwindled surprisingly fast. The stroll through old Pine and Maples, dotted with raspberries along the creek, was it's usual delightful self. Before the climb up the rim, we stopped and chatted with some of the trail runners, and let them go ahead of us. The climb up on West Webber was enjoyable. Switch backs and shade was all we could ask for, and we would eventually catch the crew of runners and start down Donahue together after the brief road walk. Once on the lower, steeper reaches of Donahue and back on the Highline, it was getting warm. Thunder in the distance led to clouds overhead and a break from the sun. By the time we started back down on Red Rock Springs, the big drops started to fall and we would finish out in a downpour mixed with hail. Temps dropped about 20 degrees and we were soaked upon reaching the TH. The cool down was much appreciated. Had a great time in Rim Country today.

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Red Rock Tank

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Jul 04 2017

JuanJaimeiii

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Payson, AZ

Hiking		Jul 04 2017
		JuanJaimeiii • Triplogs 2,400

Hiking	21.67 Miles	4,344 AEG

Hiking	21.67 Miles	7 Hrs 4 Mns	3.07 mph
	4,344 ft AEG	1 Min Break

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Did the Pine Canyon Geronimo Loop. I took the West Webber down to The Geronimo Trailhead. There was water flowing in a couple creek beds along the way. Nice and cold which was very refreshing on this hot day! :y:

The bonus was some wild raspberries along the West Webber. The ones at Geronimo aren't ready yet.

The return on the Highline was a warm one. Nice hike! Happy Fourth of July!

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Jul 29 2016

Routes 54
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Payson, AZ

Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ

Hiking		Jul 29 2016
		The_N • Triplogs 325

Hiking	14.83 Miles	3,545 AEG

Hiking	14.83 Miles	5 Hrs	3.02 mph
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Stepped out for one of my favorite Rim Country loops this a.m. Went clockwise, although I'd recommend CCW this time of year. Lots of rocky terrain today, aside from the recently cleared segment of Highline around the Donahue junction. #294 is like a mini Y-Bar. I'd forgotten how much I like Donahue. It offers a nice climb up the rim then flattens out through a pine forest before ending at MRP Rd. West Webber #228 is always the highlight of this loop. There's plenty of shade under those old growth Maple & Oak trees and a reliable water source in the creek. Raspberries are already gone, unfortunately. Spooked a large herd of elk on Geronimo and could later hear them calling to each other for several minutes, which was kind of cool. By the time I jumped on Highline, the 62 degrees I started in was now 90 degrees with nearly zero shade, as much of the Western Highline is. I ended up using a water bottle I picked up off the trail to collect water at Pine Spring to dump on my head. Finished up back at Red Rock Spring TH. Distance of this loop is slightly shorter now due to a Highline/Donahue re-route. Overall it's a great loop that allows you to sample a handful of trails while offering great views, diverse flora, abundant fauna & a lush shaded oasis along West Webber.

Wildflowers Observation Light

	Pine Spring	Dripping	Dripping
	Muddy seep under tall grass.

	Red Rock Spring	Dripping	Dripping
	A few inches of water on the bottom of the spring box.

	West Webber Creek	Light flow	Light flow
	Steady trickle. Occasional pools.

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Oct 12 2015

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39 male

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Payson, AZ

Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ

Hiking		Oct 12 2015
		The_N • Triplogs 325

Hiking	15.20 Miles	3,797 AEG

Hiking	15.20 Miles	4 Hrs 54 Mns	3.20 mph
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Had to take advantage of great weather and hit one of my rim country favorites. It was a tad warmer than I anticipated but the clear, sunny skies made for great views. Every tank, spring and creek had more water present than my previous trip. Enjoyed a nutrition break along Webber Creek. It's still a little early for fall foliage down there and mostly green. Some of the younger Oaks and Maples next to the trail are starting to change. About 2 weeks from now the canyon will begin to light up with reds and yellows, I'll be sure to return then. I saw plenty of elk and even got close to a juvenile grazing near Geronimo. Other than the wildlife, I didn't see a soul on any of the trails all day.

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	Pine Spring	Dripping	Dripping
	Still a muddy seep but more water flowing across the trail than usual.

	Red Rock Spring	Dripping	Dripping
	Only a few inches in the bottom of the spring box but it's clear.

	Turkey Spring	Dripping	Dripping
	Decent amount of water running down its drainage and across the trail.

	West Webber Creek	Light flow	Light flow
	Flow has increased since my last visit. Pools to filter from.

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Sep 05 2015

Routes 54
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Payson, AZ

Payson, AZ

Hiking		Sep 05 2015
		The_N • Triplogs 325

Hiking	20.77 Miles	4,212 AEG

Hiking	20.77 Miles	7 Hrs	3.15 mph
	4,212 ft AEG	24 Mns Break

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The forecast called for perfect weather to knock out a 20-miler. Cool temps and an early morning fog sitting over the rim gave this hike an autumn feel. I like the new route through Pine Canyon. East Rim Trail was it's usual sweat inducing self, although the soil and rocks seemed to be looser this time. I followed Joe's recent route through the locust forest atop MRP and found it much more pleasant than my previous trip. There was even something resembling a trail. There were quite a few hikers and backpackers, more numerous as I got closer to the Pine TH. About a mile West of Red Rock Spring a group of 6 young adults going the opposite direction stopped me to inquire about a spring that might be ahead. All but one was dressed in all black, none had on day packs & were only carrying a liter water bottle each. I informed them the spring was dry and they might want to consider turning around. Pine TH was packed upon my return, with fully automatic gunfire echoing through the canyon. Awesome hike and another beautiful day in Rim Country!

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Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
Oak leaves along West Webber Trail were starting to change.

	Pine Spring	Dripping	Dripping
	Slightly more water than previous trip, still a muddy seep.

	Red Rock Spring	Dry	Dry
	Spring box was dry. Didn't investigate further up the hill.

	South Fork of West Webber Creek	Dry	Dry
	Dry at crossing.

	Turkey Spring	Dry	Dry
	Spring box was dry. Didn't investigate further down the trail.

	West Webber Creek	Light flow	Light flow
	Pools to filter from.

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Aug 16 2015

Routes 54
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Payson, AZ

Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ

Hiking		Aug 16 2015
		The_N • Triplogs 325

Hiking	15.58 Miles	3,844 AEG

Hiking	15.58 Miles	6 Hrs 5 Mns	2.99 mph
	3,844 ft AEG	52 Mns Break

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Another late start, another warm hike. It was a sudden and unplanned trip so I went with a familiar loop. Although the extreme heat warning didn't extend to this region, it was by far my hottest rim country hike of the summer. Temps reached 95 degrees and there was no break from the sun. Heading up Donahue I questioned myself once or twice but knew that Webber Creek wasn't far and soon I'd be cooling off. I appreciated every morsel of shade. Once at the creek I found a nice little shaded pool and soaked in it while enjoying an extended nutrition/rehydration break. The creek was lined with coneflowers and columbines. I filtered 3 liters of water and drenched all of my clothes before leaving. I knew the very sun-exposed, mid-afternoon section of Highline I had awaiting me. By the time I reached Pine Spring, it looked like an oasis. Shade, tall green grass and although it's nothing more than a muddy seep covered in elk tracks, I was glad to have found water. Using an empty water bottle, I widened a small trench and funneled water into the bottle to pour over my head and soak my shemagh to keep wrapped around my head and neck. Certainly great views along this segment of Highline, but at the cost of being totally exposed to the sun. After Pine Spring I seemed to have found a 'second wind' and set a good pace I kept up with until I reached the Red Rock Spring TH finish. Overall it was an enjoyable hike. Physically my body responded to the stress of heat and sun better than I could've imagined (other than a few small sunburn spots). I drank 6 liters of water during the hike and was well hydrated before starting out, a decision that paid off well. Although I did hike on an empty stomach until reaching Webber Creek which was probably not a good idea. Didn't see much wildlife today, aside from a lone adolescent white tail. Encountered one other hiker about 1.5 miles in but that was it. Used Route Scout for the first time and all went well. I like that it keeps recording in background and the split stats for every mile. I used this feature as a reminder to slow down a little and not get overheated. I also liked that it notified me when my battery was getting low, cool feature. Hit THAT Brewery for a black bean burger and AZ Trail Ale immediately afterwards to replenish some much needed calories. Another good day in Rim country.

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	Pine Spring	Dripping	Dripping
	Muddy seep, but water was present

	Red Rock Spring	Dry	Dry
	Trough was dry. Nothing dripping.

	South Fork of West Webber Creek	Pools to trickle	Pools to trickle
	Dry at crossing. Turns to a trickle

	Turkey Spring	Dry	Dry
	Old trough was dry, didn't investigate further down trail.

	West Webber Creek	Light flow	Light flow
	Small pools to filter from

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Jul 11 2015

Routes 54
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Triplogs 325

39 male

Joined Mar 18 2015
Payson, AZ

Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ

Hiking		Jul 11 2015
		The_N • Triplogs 325

Hiking	15.05 Miles	3,614 AEG

Hiking	15.05 Miles	5 Hrs 25 Mns	2.88 mph
	3,614 ft AEG	11 Mns Break

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Took advantage of some awesome weather this A.M. and hit one of my favorite Rim Country loops. Started from Red Rock Springs TH (72 degrees) and went in a clockwise direction. Headed up Donahue and across Milk Ranch Rd. to West Webber and down to the creek. This is the most appealing section of this loop because of the lush green environment and the presence of water and wild berries. A group of 4 hikers passed me going the other way as I stopped to gather a handful of raspberries along the creek. I continued onto Turkey Spring before taking a side trail across the creek and meeting up with Geronimo. Next it was back onto Highline. Not my favorite section of this trail terrain wise but the views are great. There isn't much tree cover but the clouds had moved in by then and when coupled with the breeze made this segment of Highline rather enjoyable. Sometime before Pine Spring I spooked a rattler on the trail. Managed to snap a pic as it retreated under a rock. The rest of the hike was uneventful and the home stretch went by quickly. Beautiful day in Rim Country, great hike and all trails were clearly marked and in good shape except for the Red Rock Springs TH where both signs are currently missing.

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[ checklist ] Arizona Blackberry Red Raspberry Wild Bergamot

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[ checklist ] Red Rock Spring Turkey Spring West Webber Creek

	Pine Spring	Dripping	Dripping
	Water trickling across the trail down to a puddle.

	Red Rock Spring	Dripping	Dripping
	Trough was half full. Larvae were enjoying the morning sun.

	Turkey Spring	Dry	Dry
	Box was bone dry. Didn't investigate further down the trail.

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May 18 2015

Routes 54
Photos 1,508
Triplogs 325

39 male

Joined Mar 18 2015
Payson, AZ

Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ

Hiking		May 18 2015
		The_N • Triplogs 325

Hiking	16.50 Miles	3,640 AEG

Hiking	16.50 Miles	6 Hrs 35 Mns	2.83 mph
	3,640 ft AEG	45 Mns Break

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It was a cool, breezy day on the rim so I set out for some trail therapy this a.m. Started at Red Rock Spring TH and decided to do the loop in a clockwise direction, a decision that paid off well I believe. Donahue to Milk Ranch Point seemed to be the steepest section, but the view is incredible the entire way up. Planned on lunching once atop Milk Ranch Point but I was in the zone and didn't stop to eat until right before the Geronimo junction at a spot next to Webber Creek. A deer was nice enough to pose for a picture let me pass while standing just feet from the trail. I ran into 3 small groups of elk once on Geronimo but only one group let me snap a pic. I backtracked up Highline to see the Geronimo TH and sign the log since I seemed to be making decent time. All sections of this loop were in good shape and free of trash. Creeks and tributaries were all flowing due to the rain/snow over the weekend. Didn't see anyone else on the trail all day so that was nice.

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[ checklist ] Turkey Spring

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Apr 11 2015

hikerdw

Routes 268
Photos 2,969
Triplogs 541

66 male

Joined Aug 16 2009
Mesa,AZ

Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ

Hiking		Apr 11 2015
		hikerdw • Triplogs 541

Hiking	14.48 Miles	3,588 AEG

Hiking	14.48 Miles	6 Hrs 11 Mns	2.63 mph
	3,588 ft AEG	41 Mns Break

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Started from the Red Rock Spring trail head to hike this loop in a clockwise direction. I have seen this loop posted several times, most recently by Tough_Boots. A couple observations; although steep, Donahue is a pretty nice trail with some great views, West Webber is a great trail and is in much better shape than the last time I hiked it in 2010.

We saw 5 white tail deer on the top of Milk Ranch Point and had lunch next to a nicely flowing West Webber Creek. Only saw 2 other hikers along the way.

Great time of the year to do this loop.

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[ checklist ] Pine Spring Red Rock Spring

	Pine Spring	Quart per minute	Quart per minute
	The trough was dry but water was in the catch basin and the area was damp.

	Red Rock Spring	Quart per minute	Quart per minute
	The trough was full and there was a nice steady flow from the pipe. Water from the source was running across the trail.

	West Webber Creek	Medium flow	Medium flow
	Flowing nicely.

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Jun 12 2014

JuanJaimeiii

Routes 596
Photos 9,604
Triplogs 2,400

58 male

Joined Jan 30 2011
Chandler, AZ

Payson, AZ

Hiking		Jun 12 2014
		JuanJaimeiii • Triplogs 2,400

Hiking	19.00 Miles	4,519 AEG

Hiking	19.00 Miles	6 Hrs 17 Mns	3.06 mph
	4,519 ft AEG	5 Mns Break

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Got a late start (12:30pm) to what turned out to be a warm afternoon hike in rim country.

This was my second time doing this route and I really enjoy it. The east rim trail is as steep as I remember it. It gains 1050 feet in three quarters of a mile. Then it's a light bushwhack to Milk Ranch Point Road and then over to Milk Ranch trail.

From there you travel to the West Webber and on down to the Geronimo. I took a side trip over to the river on the Highline for good measure. Then it is an enjoyable trip back to the Pine Trailhead via the Highline.

I highly recommend this one.

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Jul 21 2013

JuanJaimeiii

Routes 596
Photos 9,604
Triplogs 2,400

58 male

Joined Jan 30 2011
Chandler, AZ

Payson, AZ

Hiking		Jul 21 2013
		JuanJaimeiii • Triplogs 2,400

Hiking	18.73 Miles	4,519 AEG

Hiking	18.73 Miles	6 Hrs 29 Mns	2.94 mph
	4,519 ft AEG	7 Mns Break

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I was looking for a good hike to do this weekend and stumbled onto this one. Topohiker put it together awhile ago and I had remembered thinking it would be a good one. Sure enough it is a winner.

I didn't print out directions or take a map but relied on the Garmin Fenix again. It worked like a charm. When down at the Highline trail junction I decided to go over to the Geronimo Trail Head and see if there were any raspberries. (Last year when doing the Arizona Trail there were tons of them). I was happy to see that there were thousands of raspberries there near the creek crossing. The bad news is that very few of them were ready to eat. I say give it a week or two and they will be prime.

After that I headed back toward the Pine Trailhead via the Highline and was treated to a nice shower. Nothing crazy just a soft steady drizzle for about an hour.

One of these days I would like to give that Donahue Trail up to Milk Ranch Point a try. Looks like it would be fun.

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Jun 26 2013

topohiker

Guides 14
Routes 115
Photos 4,830
Triplogs 3,536

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Scottsdale, AZ

Payson, AZ

Hiking		Jun 26 2013
		topohiker • Triplogs 3,536

Hiking	29.68 Miles	5,459 AEG

Hiking	29.68 Miles	12 Hrs 42 Mns	2.86 mph
	5,459 ft AEG	2 Hrs 20 Mns Break

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