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Synopsis: 4PC - A Long Day's Journey Into Night...And Morning (TL;DR Version)
Joe posted a wish list hike for a repeat of the Four Peaks Circumference that he and Karl hiked in March 2014. It was 100% new terrain for me, and I can't seem to turn down opportunities for long loops with poorly maintained/non-existent trails, so I signed up. Joe and Karl completed the loop in ~16.5 hours, and Joe figured we could finish in 15-20 hours. What could go wrong? Nothing did, per se, it just took a lot longer than planned. The eastern side of the loop following Alder Creek slowed us down; we ended up covering nearly half the total miles, most of the elevation gain, and the worst of the brush in darkness as we hiked all of Saturday and into Sunday morning.

The Details
Joe and I left the valley ~3:40AM on Saturday for the drive to Mud Spring Trailhead. There were a couple of deep ruts in FR143 on the way in and some moist spots in the washes that we hoped were a good sign for water along the route. We set out at 5:30AM hiking uphill by moonlight on FR 143, starting our clockwise circumference.

We had comfortable temps starting out and a nice sunrise over Roosevelt Lake and the Sierra Anchas with Four Peaks ahead of us as we approached Lone Pine Trailhead ~ four four miles in. We continued on Four Peaks Trail, enjoying the last maintained trail we'd see on the loop. We passed two hunters glassing the hills on the our way to Black Bear Saddle, where we found their camp--sleeping bags, food, water, and equipment were scattered around there.

We took a short break before the real fun started, dropping down to Alder Creek for the non-existent trail portion of the loop. We had a steep, loose, brushy descent down to the creek, but we made it down relatively quickly and started following the creek south. It was flowing nicely in many places, with pools and small falls...but also a lot of brush, including poison ivy. Our pace slowed considerably following Alder Creek, and we ended up spending most of our daylight hours on that six-mile stretch. Both of us stepped in quicksand (multiple times for me) and had soaked and sandy footwear.

We left the creek bed for a steep scramble up and over a ridge to get around some obstacles in the canyon and planned to take a longer at break Karl's swimming hole from 2014 [ photo ] . Despite plenty of water in the creek, there was no swimming hole--we saw no sign of deeper pools, so floods have probably rearranged the creek bed in the past 11 years. We took a 45-minute break in that general area to recharge electronics, eat, and filter water before resuming the long hike down Alder Creek.

Joe mentioned making a quick stop at Brown's Cave since it was only ~50 yards off our route, and I'd had that on my list for years. That part of the canyon approaching the Salt River Corridor was beautiful, with healthy saguaros and taller canyon walls, but by the time we got close to the cave (less than 500'!), darkness was closing in fast, and decided to skip it because we wanted to navigate through the jungle of brush to find our route west while we still had some light left.

Joe remembered relatively easy hiking for the rest of the route from his 2014 circumference, but it's either become more overgrown in the past decade, and/or he repressed the memories of what we still had ahead of us :). When we pulled out our headlamps/flashlights after sunset, we still had 13+ miles and 4,000' to 5,000' AEG remaining; clearly we had a long evening (and morning) ahead of us. Unfortunately, Joe also told me I was missing some of the most scenic geology of the loop ](*,) .

Our world quickly shrank to the Route Scout screen and what we could see in our flashlight beams. I had a flashlight in one hand and my phone in the other as I navigated, conjuring Lion Mountain flashbacks. We had sporadic stretches of relatively open hiking with a cairned route, but more often we dealt with a lot of brush as we headed toward Cane Spring Trailhead, especially around Paint Spring and Adams Camp Spring, where we saw the remnants of the chimney at the camp.

We had some easier, more unobstructed hiking around Cane Spring and the trailhead and were surprised to run into someone out there with a truck. We chatted briefly as we passed; he seemed to know the area pretty well and was surprised we were out there hiking with a long way still to go get back to Mud Spring Trailhead, ~ eight rough miles with a lot of elevation left to gain. Joe and I took another break just after we reached Cane Spring Trail as the moon rose over Four Peaks and gave us a little more light.

The rest of the hike was a bit of a blur as the clock passed 10PM, then midnight; the hours flew by, the miles crawled by. Joe wasn't feeling great and was battling cramps, so I carried his backpack for the last five miles. The open stretches were a relief but never lasted long enough, and there were some brutal stretches with steep, loose, and brushy uphill climbs as we followed Joe and Karl's old route.

We encountered the worst brush with 3-4 miles left...everything I could see in the flashlight beam anywhere close to the general direction we needed to go was a wall of catclaw. I'd done pretty well avoiding scratches up to that point, but my legs got absolutely shredded through that section, and our progress was measured in hundredths of a mile whenever I checked Route Scout. On the bright side, if the brush didn't let up, our progress would only get easier because we'd be finishing the loop in daylight.

We had to cross two large drainages along Solider Camp Trail that were reasonably well cairned, then pushed through a long final uphill climb with strong winds on our way up to Big Saddle. Somewhere in there, I noticed an odd streak of white in my flashlight beam, with deep black shadows on either side. I went in for a closer look and realized I was approaching a skunk; fortunately, it decided to run rather than spray.

We had a steep descent from Big Saddle, but the route was mostly cairned and easier to follow than much of what we'd been through. Within 50 feet of the trailhead, I stepped into a muddy swamp around Mud Spring without noticing it in the dark...didn't feel too great with the cuts all over my legs. That was the final gift this loop had to offer; we got back to the truck just after 5AM, completing our lap of Four Peaks in roughly a lap around the clock :).

Sunday's sunrise brought things full circle on the drive out FR 143, making that my first day hike that included two sunrises and a sunset. When I finally got back home around 7:30AM, I took a shower and immediately went to bed after 29 hours awake, ~24 of those hiking. The length of the hike really threw off my sense of time--it felt like Saturday night had disappeared into a black hole.

Overall, it was a memorable day(s). When it comes to rough off-trail hiking after dark, today made Lion Mountain feel like a day at the zoo. Coincidentally, I lost my sunglasses on the Lion hike, and Joe lost his on today's hike. But I learned from the Lion experience: don't ever help Joe across anything, leave the bear spray at home, and pack your sunglasses away when it gets dark, don't just hang them from your collar :lol:. This one took longer than either of us expected, but there were no injuries or medical problems, so I'll call it a win. To quote Joe's 2014 triplog: "Never say never, it 'seems' unlikely I'll redo this loop." :).
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Alder Creek - Four Peaks Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Light flow through much of the creek from Black Bear Saddle down to the Brown's Cave area. Less water at the southern end at the marked spot on the map (only small, stagnant pools)

dry Alder Creek - South Swim Hole Dry Dry
No sign of the actual swimming hole. Decent flow of water through most parts of Alder Creek, with lots of pools and small falls (and lots of algae)

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Full spring box below spring. Water stagnant.

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Water in the spring box; swampy/muddy ground in the vicinity.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Medium pool with clear water and algae
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A battle of wills. Soldiering hackberry became an exercise in social thermodynamics. The solution—my own pair of pants— was strapped to John’s back, taunting me as he surged ahead, yo-yoing just out of hollering range. We finished the dayhike 1.5 hours after I picked him up.

5:29 am It's a 4.25mi/1270ft road walk from Mud Springs TH to Lone Pine TH. Albeit too warm for long pants, it was a perfect autumn morning.

Four Peaks Trail #130
6:53 am The trail seemed the same, in good condition, as in previous years. It's not wide like most of the AZT, but it gets the aye okay nod considering location and terrain. Passed two hunters maybe a mile before Black Bear Saddle. Pondered if they had a power haul drone, if they got anything, as five feet up or down might be your last.

Alder Creek Trail #82
There is no trail; it would need an army of @jacobemerick's with @BiFrost to bring it back.

Seldom explored Alder Creek 6-mile East Segment
Black Bear Saddle ▶ Brown's Cave
9:30 am A reconnaissance mission 2025-10-24 revealed few if any had been in the least used 6-mile segment down Alder Creek since Karl and I's 2014 foray.

Possibly 30 feet of trail and the stone work of a long-gone terrace. Pools and clear flowing water off and on for four miles that disappeared for short stretches. No sign of [ photo ] .

Prepping for this hike, I hiked Mount Lemmon —approx 26.5mi/7700 AEG— up and down five times. Forgot I needed six miles, creek rock hopping stabilizer muscles. 5:40 pm, 367 feet from Brown's Cave, 12-14 miles to go. 10s helped bring this dream home and would only get near this and the true lore of the terminus of the Mazzies... I'm an idiot.

Rarely Adventured 3.5-mile South Segment
Brown's Cave ▶ Nondescript Saddle
5:40 pm I told 10s it was a fair trail through a fairyland of open desert... BYO imagination. Unfortunately, we missed the grandeur of this segment; it was pitch dark until the 8:26 pm moonrise

Curious Four Wheeler 1.75-mile West Segment
Nondescript Saddle to Cane Spring TH
8:20 pm This is the most used and least exciting segment.

Cane Spring Trail #77
9:07 pm Once again, I am shocked by how well this trail travels the lower 1.5 miles. The upper mile prepares the victim for #83.

Soldier Camp Trail #83
11:26 pm If this were a well-maintained trail, people would hate it for dipping in and out of two huge ravines. From the Cane Spring Trail #77 junction, it's a simple cairn hunt for 0.55 miles. It goes from bad to atrocious. John was carrying my pack as an olive branch gesture for ripping my arm off last year. Somewhere in the atrocious stretch I bit my lip and hollered ahead "hey, could you stop so I can get my pants out of my pack".

The final 1,100 ft ascent from Boulder Creek to Big Saddle —2:15 to 3:40 am— is not a bushwhack but I was struggling.

Speaking of shame, it's a shame two other mountain trails close to the Valley have been abandoned. Cienega Spring Trail #253 looks three times worse. The unnumbered trail to the north looks marginally better.

5:05 am Finished

Synopsis
Never say never. Who's next.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Alder Creek - Four Peaks Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Pools nearby. It was running good off and on and clear for the 6 miles we came down. Probably water for about 2 1/2 miles.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Mud Spring Dripping Dripping
Approaching, John yelled SWAMP as he stepped into the namesake. Water in the... didn't take a photo, the spring box in topohiker's photos may have been repaired, but I only caught it out of the corner of my eye, concentrating on the end of the hike coming quickly.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Shake Spring Dripping Dripping
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Good size, clear pool of algae, it is dripping
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The original plan was to summit Brown’s Peak and then decide whether to descend to the Alder Saddle or add on, an out and back of the southern Amethyst Trail. Once at the peak, it was still so nice that I decided to tag Peak (2) 7642 instead. The ridgeline descent to Alder Saddle looked uber bushwhacky and the trail to the Amethyst Mine is really just a one and done. BTW, the mine supervisor is such an absolute nutrition waist channels (story for another time). Next thing I know, I’m downclimbing cl.5 terrain, grateful of my new La Sportiva sticky rubber. If one stays true to the ridge, it’s deceivingly spicy getting over the col between Peak 1 and 2. Once at 7642, a route down the east side of the saddle looked feasible, so I kept descending south thinking I'd still eventually link up to the Four Peaks Trail below. At someone’s old rap sling, I went left down a brushy ledge along the cliff and then out onto a huge slab. I’d done this route before, so knew it eventually reached the central saddle. Near the bottom, I cut further left than before and missed the regular cl.5 slit. My alternative was still somewhat exposed though. Travel wasn't too brushy at first because of all the huge boulders that have slid down from the broken saddle above. Some of the small canyon I tracked is quite enchanting, but it was super bushwhacky above the main confluence where a bunch of seeps were surfacing. The Alder Creek Trail doesn't exist or I never found this northern section. Any sane person wouldn't categorize it as a trail anymore. Thrashing over and up to the Four Peaks Trail was the crux of the day. Dusty, hot and overgrown. Once on the AZT #20 section, travel was much easier, except I wasn't anticipating all the uphill sections. There was one small pool at Shake Spring that was such a relief. Wetting down my head and neck got me up that last hill to the Amethyst Trail junction, where it's relatively easy to the car park. It was 90° at the trailhead when I finished at noon. I've driven FR 143 in worse shape than it is now, still super rocky in certain sections, but still an hour drive in the 4runner either direction.
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Minimal worthy hiking in recent months so I was excited to get out and put my Darn Tough tactical socks to use. Out of the three options I suggested, Bruce decided this involved the least BS.

Lower Soldier Camp Trail #84
The 2021 knee-high grass is gone [ photo ] . I like the option and views. OnAllGaiX masses tip: Trail blows, stay away.

FR401A
Majority of this hike, not for road haters. Buncha Four Peaks on the horizon views. Saguaros galore. The majority are standing proud, some singed, a few arched skeletons, occasional torched areas. Views of the lakes, Salt River, and outstanding terrain.

Alder Creek Trail #82
The tread is horrible, some catclaw. Stay away, and explore a manicured trail or Fossil Creek.

Ridge of Hell
Excellent cow path now from the creek up gets you started.

Further up, Bruce pitched one idea to increase the hike to 12+ hours. I'm not used to being the voice of reason but am grateful he listened. We shortened the 2021 lunch/turnaround overlooking the painted cliffs instead of the SRP community [ photo ] .

FR401A
We shortened the upper hike to hike the road down to Cottonwood Creek. It's the continuation of 401 on topo but has been renamed 401A from Cottonwood Creek to Cane Spring TH since our 2021 visit. Only the bottom couple of miles seem 4WD now with long steep stretches of cantaloupe to bowling ball-sized rocks. The upper issues [ photo ] are remarkably gone.

Synopsis
The payoff of this hike, the history, and the nearby options rate high for me. Few will enjoy it. Albeit drab light, we had gust-free pleasant weather that was nice for a change.
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The water is running clear and pooled clear. Stench from cows playing in the mud is certainly an eye opener.
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Joe threw out three options for a hike today, all of which we'd done previously. The first, 20 miles, 5000' AEG, some road walking, some off-trail. The second, 20 miles, 5000' AEG, catclaw for miles, high winds, chance of rain. The last one, 16 miles, 4000' AEG, high winds, chance of rain, a brush push with no trail ten years ago.

We went with the no-brainer, #1.

Headlamp for the first 20 minutes, calm winds, temperatures in the mid-40s.

Ascend Lower Soldier Camp Trail, gaining 1400' in 2.5 miles to FR201A, with the majority of the elevation gained in the last mile.

We roller-coastered on FR201A to the Wilderness boundary. This road is in much better shape than the last time we were through here. They've done some work on it, probably by the rancher who built a corral and is putting in new fences around the Cane Spring area.

The catclaw on the Adler Creek Trail has been mostly mitigated by bovine activity in the area. They even helped on the first off-trail climb.

We made our way over to Hell's Hip Pocket Ridge and found a picturesque lunch spot with views of the Painted Cliffs and Apache Lake.

On the return trip, instead of hiking down Lower Soldier Camp, we continued on FR201. The goal was to see if it was Subaru-able. No go; in fact, it's going to take high clearance 4x4 to get up the first part of the road.
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This hike is a ball buster. It's not the 20 miles or the 4800 feet of gain it's the never ending rocks, hidden rocks and hidden cacti. The payoff is well worth all the BS. Wow.

We started just before the sun was coming up and finished as it was going down. A good use of all available light.

The last time I was on lower Soldier #84, there was no real path to begin. It follows the drainage and was chocked with trees and brush. Since the fire and subsequent rains, it is now the smoothest and easiest part of the entire hike. Unfortunately, it only lasts for a mile, before the climb out of the drainage begins.

The climb up Lower Soldier is a steep one. For the remainder of this hike, a GPS track is highly encouraged. There are cairns along the way, but the grass covers them up in many places. We hit the climb during the golden hour, so the views were extra special. The rain from the previous days had cleared the skies all around us.

We hit FR401 for the road walk portion. This road seems to be much worse that the last time I was on it, and it was not good then. When it's tough to walk on, it's tough to drive on.

The area at the Cane Spring TH seemed to be the worst burnt area we saw. All in all there was much more unburned than burned area. The areas we hiked, seemed to be 95% untouched.

The Circle Bar Ranch building is either new or refreshed. It was very clean and smelled almost new on the inside.
There was an old cement foundation in front of it. Maybe the old building? The drainage that's Cane Spring Canyon has flashed and is completely uncross-able by a vehicle. It actually had a decent flow still going from the recent rain

Alder Creek Trail #82 is an old FR. It disappears in many places but is not hard to find. We were only on this trail for about a mile, before we started our off trail journey. It was mainly grassy landscape with the before mentioned hidden surprises.

The payoff was starting to come into view after gaining Peak 3509. Apache Lake, the geographically splendiferous Superstitions and Four Peaks Wilderness are just jaw dropping. You don't take in these type of view anywhere else.

We fought the forecasted 5-10mph winds that were closer 20-25mph. At our turnaround and lunch destination we were lucky enough to find a place with tremendous views as well as shelter from the wind. We sat on a cliff on the north side of the Salt River, overlooking the Salt River Project Housing and Horse Mesa.
Lunch Spot: [ youtube video ]

If this area was easier to access, I'd love to do more exploring around here.

The hike back was uneventful and all we could think about was getting back to the last one mile stretch of smooth sailing in the wash.

Temps were a tad cool in the morning with the winds but were manageable all day. The wind finally started to lie down around 3pm.

Cane Spring trailhead area has burned pretty good

Lunch and turn around spot
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dry Boulder Creek Dry Dry
It had flashed recently and was damp.

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Full trough of clear cool water surrounded much cow splop .
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It was time to walk the talk and take Bruce to hell and back.

Drive to Cottonwood Camp
FR401 is still smoother than FR143 to FR401. While most can get to Cottonwood Camp if dry, beware of the final drop to the creek, it is steep. It is currently in good condition with only minor ruts to cross near the bottom. There is a makeshift pullout spot above the drop. However, it's not flat and a potential hazard in itself. Bruce had no trouble down to Cottonwood Camp in his AWD Subaru. It would be unwise in 2WD if not dry. I've seen deep washouts near the bottom, but not for twenty years. You are committed midway down without 4WD.

Lower Soldier Camp Trail #84
Cairns start just after 1 mile, getting out of the easy travel creekbed. There's a nasty bush right in the middle of the trail right as you start to ascend. The area is toast and washed out but well cairned almost to the top. Knee-high grass in areas.

Top of #84 - FR401 to Cane Spring TH
Per usual, this is one gnarly road. It has been obliterated near the Cane Spring Trail junction before Cane Spring TH.

Alder Creek Trail #82
It's far from enjoyable to follow but it's really not terrible. catclaw to our turnoff was not problematic with awareness. The upper stretch we utilized is not its glory but it was the only level trail we followed with mini hints of relaxation.

Hell's Hip Pocket Ridge
My fourth visit, the last was ten years ago. The furthest point on this hike is eleven miles east of Bush Hwy. Even if it was advertised on a billboard it wouldn't be crowded. Bruce found a horseshoe that I suspect is in my 2004 photoset. While I wouldn't attempt without GPS, it was cool to have a feel for the route in areas with zero preplanning or review. This area will probably burn a few more times in my life. No biggie, the only thing that sucks here is that you will never be able to explore all of the views.

Synopsis
We passed three inspirational adventures and two explorers that primarily post to corporate media. Actually, I've never crossed paths with anyone east of Cottonwood Creek & South of Cottonwood Camp. The wicked geology of this rarely visited southern wilderness is nice, the power of four looming overhead is unmatched. The approach is cursable for long stretches, pants are a must. Gaiters would reduce the painful foxtails. Gusting wind half the day was my toughest obstacle. Unfortunately, all that pain is over.
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just red and orange weeds, not what folks seek
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Parish's goldeneye, Brittlebush, New Mexico Thistle, buckwheat, and Bruce shocked me identifying Four O'Clock

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Cane Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout The area smells terrible with cow activity but the water is crystal clear and running
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Fan and I went from the Cottonwood TH to Browns Cave.

Lower Soldier Trail
It took a minute to figure the start of the trail, but once we did there was cairns to lead you all the way to FR401.
Along the way to the Cane's spring TH, we stopped at the shack.

Alder Creek Trail
The trail started out as an old road and was very easy to follow. When the trail hit the Long canyon, we stayed in the canyon
until the trail pulled away. Then we bushwhacked over the trail. There been some recent trail maintenance until you hit the
Crabtree cabin. It took us a couple of minutes to figure out how to get to the cabin. There was a sign-in board at the cabin.
Fan & I were the first people to represent HAZ. There was quite a bit of Crabtree relatives visiting the cabin.
The route finding was a little more challenging past the cabin.

The Jungle aka "Brown Cave"
We lost the trail as we approached the descent into Alder Creek. We found two stone walls leading down to the creek.
Then we had to fight the jungle to get to the Creek. When got the creek Fan was done. The plan was to
go to the Cave then have lunch at the river /lake. Fan didn't want the fight anymore jungle, so I went on alone.

Beyond the jungle
I pushed through the jungle and walked right past Brown's Cave and continued on down the creek. For a stretch the water went underground.
I made to the 10 foot waterfall then stopped. The sky clouded up and the wind started to blow.
It looked like the 20% chance of rain was going to hit. I didn't have any Jedi masters to talk me into
climb down and up the waterfalls, so I turned around.

The trip back
The temps dropped fast as we headed back. This time we took the trail instead of going in Long creek.
The trail was easy to follow and mostly free of vegetation. As we started to climb out, the rain started.
It poured pretty hard for about 10 minutes, then it backed off. It rained for the last 4 hours of the hike.
We made it to the shed at Cane's Spring in time to put on the headlamps. We took FR401 all the way back to the Jeep.
Along the we saw an abandoned quad-runner. As we approached the Jeep the rain started to dump on us.

The road out
I was concerned about driving out with 4+ hours of rain. The road was slick but I didn't have any major issues getting out.
The Jeep did fishtailed in a couple of spots.


](*,) Items that are MIA in the Jungle ](*,)
- HAZ-tracks android phone (good thing it was only $29.99)
- gators
- GPS Lithium ION rechargeable battery

This is a cool area to explorer. The terrain is slow moving and you should have a GPS route to get to alder creek.
I had long pants with gators and the a couple of Foxtails still managed to get in my socks!

I want to go back to take Long canyon to the river.
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This loop and especially Alder Creek has intrigued me since the '90s. Karl & I started at Mud Spring TH, hiked the road to Lone Pine then took #130 out to #82 ( not to be confused with Alder "Saddle" Trail #81 ).

Alder Creek Trail #82
Nature has reclaimed the trail. Perhaps 7% exists for the 6.25 miles heading down to Brown's Cave. Of that the creek is a less painful avenue. The area is everything I envisioned as a wided eyed kid thumbing through hiking books. Water is abundant and trees offer shade on occasion. The challenges of life are defenseless against you and Alder Creek Canyon is all yours.

Once out of Alder Creek the trail over to the trailhead is just route finding. Someone has kindly re-cairned 0.5mi to 1.6mi ( west to east ). It follows quicker than in previous years and catclaw only snagged once.

Cane Spring Trail #77
Easy to follow... in the dark! Someone must do periodic maintenance. Shocking out in the middle of nowhere and it only leads to the tragic mess on #83.

Soldier Camp Trail #83
Difficult to assess as it was dark. Seemed like a nuisance cairn hunt. I'm guessing it's not so bad in daylight. Killer night view back to Phoenix heading up to Big Saddle.

Never say never, it "seems" unlikely I'll redo this loop. One thing for sure... feels GREAT to join the got 'er done club! Thanks to Karl for helping bring this dream home!

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Strawberry Hedgehog was busting out for 10-15 miles of our hike. 1 - Desert Anemone near Paint Puddles, 1 - Desert Chicory mid Alder Creek. Medium patches of Desert Phlox on south expanse. A few iron yellow varieties.

dry Adams Camp Spring Dry Dry
Immediate area was damp. Perhaps something to filter if you poke around.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Alder Creek - Four Peaks Medium flow Medium flow
Flowing about 80% through upper 5-6 miles ( majority ) of creek. Shockingly* great flow, maybe 10 gpm. Lots of three foot waterfalls along the way. No sign of cattle grazing.

* Last rain was 1-2 inches three weeks ago. Previous rain was two months prior, very dry spring around Arizona in 2014.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Alder Creek - South Swim Hole 76-100% full 76-100% full
Full, clear and creek flowing at least a gpm. Soon after the creek dried for the next mile.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Paint Spring Dripping Dripping
Enough to filter. From previous experiences you can find a slight flow to pools further down.
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This hike has been on the list and Joe offered it up and worked out the route. Of course had to say yes to this oppturnity. Early start about 615am from Mud Spring TH walking up the road to Lone Pine TH. Good warm up for the real hike to come.

Once at Lone Pine TH we started down Four Peaks trail enjoying the traverse over to Black Bear Saddle. Great views along this section of Four Peaks and the lake. Black Bear Saddle is where the fun begins or pain depending on your perspective. There is a trail Alder Creek #82 but it's pretty much not there. We made several attempts to follow the trail but brush was too thick and path of least resistance was the creek. Very nice in the creek with water and pools most of the way down. So we did about 6 miles of boulder hopping down canyon to where the trail leaves it and heads over to Cane Spring TH. Alder is a great canyon...really enjoyed the numerous pools, mini-falls and scenery.

Finally made it to where Alder trail leaves the canyon and started heading over to Long Canyon. This section is also really nice...Joe pointing out some of the dramatic views, cliffs, and interesting rock. Also saw wild burro and pack of javalina's between Alder Creek and Cane Spring. Wish we had more time to explore this great area but time was not on our side.

We got to Cane Spring TH and it was getting very late in the day. Had to do much of the last 7 miles in the dark and trail conditions or non-trail in many spots made this time consuming. It was a tough stretch but finally made it over Big Saddle on the Soldier Camp Trail #83. Tough trail to follow but maybe it was due to darkness.

Thanks for putting this one together Joe :D
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20 the hard way. Dark yet blinding roller coaster route finding challenge with cholla joy. Not for the timid. Elements beg my return...
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plenty to filter

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easier to find than expected, plenty to filter in trough, nice and clear
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Plans were to start at the Cottonwood TH, hike Lower Soldier Camp Trail, to Alder Creek Trail, down Long Canyon, to Apache Lake. Then find a route across to Alder Creek Trail, up and back to the TH.

We never saw the beginning of this trail, because we started hiking with 45 minutes in the dark and the last 2 hours of this hike were in the dark.

Lower Soldier Camp Trail was faint at best (Except the part on the road) as we became Cholla magnets in the dark. We made the saddle where the trail meets the FR at first light for spectacular views. From here is was a road walk to Cane Spring. We checked out the Spring and and started following Alder Creek Trail.

Adler Creek Trail with a GPS and good eyes for buried cairnes was find-able in spots, non existent in others. On the way in, we opted for dropping into Long Canyon to get out of the blood sucking catclaw. We made our way down to a choked out spring area and decided we had reached our turn around time.

We climbed up and out on the loose crumbly rock, for the views making the blood letting all worth it! The Painted Cliffs area. We played on the loose stuff looking for a different route that got us out of Long Canyon and on our way back. We dropped into a sweet unnamed canyon and climbed out to the Alder Creek trail.

We took lunch at Adams Camp and then did our best to follow Alder Creek trail back. The wild Burro tracks followed it for awhile, then it was lost again.

From here back to the TH was a blur.

The destination was incredible, the journey was a tough one.

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Adams Camp Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Filterable water available among the Cattails!

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Plenty of clear clean filterable water in the Concrete trough.
Tasted good also!

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Water available in pools in numerous locations.
Cottonwoods and cattails suggest perinnial source.
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