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H-4a - Thunderbird - 3 members in 9 triplogs have rated this an average 2.3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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May 07 2024
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67 female
 Joined Nov 17 2008
 phoenix, az
Thunderbird Conservation ParkPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar May 07 2024
trekkin_geckoTriplogs 4,660
Hiking9.82 Miles 1,793 AEG
Hiking9.82 Miles   3 Hrs   12 Mns   3.15 mph
1,793 ft AEG      5 Mns Break
 
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john and i did a variation on a hike i did five years ago
tried to hit most of the trails
started around 0600
parked in a different spot, hit the west side first, but much the same hike
hit three high points along the way
i like the east side trails better, cholla and arrowhead
lots of people out
still cool early
fun to do something different
breakfast with john's friends after
nice morning :)
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May 07 2024
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 Joined Mar 16 2008
 chandler,az
Thunderbird Conservation ParkPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar May 07 2024
johnlpTriplogs 5,208
Hiking9.82 Miles 1,793 AEG
Hiking9.82 Miles   3 Hrs   12 Mns   3.15 mph
1,793 ft AEG      5 Mns Break
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Visting friends nearby made this hike very convenient. I have hiked here a few times but never on the NW side. Quite a few hikers out on a weekday.
Ironwoods are blooming here. Very little else.
Most of the trails are in good shape.
Good workout hike. Thanks Kelly. :)
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Jun 12 2023
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55 male
 Joined Oct 24 2010
 Phoenix,Az
H-4a - ThunderbirdPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 12 2023
mt98dewTriplogs 2,387
Hiking3.09 Miles 64 AEG
Hiking3.09 Miles      40 Mns   4.64 mph
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After work hike. Wanted to get a loop H-4a. Really. It much of a trail. But it is a nice excuse to revisit this park once a year. Took the the H-4a in and then hit Sunrise peak. On the way down I went around the east side of Sunrise and took the Coachwhip back to the TH. Nice way to add a little mileage to this lasso. Saw a handful of hikers. No wildlife.
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Jan 16 2022
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 Phoenix, AZ
Thunderbird Parks East and West, AZ 
Thunderbird Parks East and West, AZ
 
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tibberTriplogs 1,570
Hiking8.54 Miles 1,374 AEG
Hiking8.54 Miles   3 Hrs   3 Mns   2.86 mph
1,374 ft AEG      4 Mns Break
 
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I don't know how I got this report so long, sorry. Continuing to finish off some Areas on the HAZ list... I realized on the drive today that I have SEVEN Preserves or Parks within 20 minutes of my house, almost 9 if you go up to thirty minutes. That's pretty awesome for living in a big city.

The temps would be pleasant this afternoon for my route that would hook up the 4 trails that were on the "to-do" list to complete the Thunderbird Conservation Park area. One of the trails was the splinter trail at the top of Thunderbird Conservation Peak, two would be near Sunrise Peak on the west side and the last one would be at the base of the Arrowhead Point hike.


I decided to park at the W. Pinnacle Peak Rd and 55th Ave and started the hike on the Cholla Loop Trail counterclockwise. All of these trails are a bit rocky and in addition, they have laid a lot of rocks to control the erosion; rolly poly rocks. I much prefer the rocks on the other preserves I hike. The grade, however, is pleasant as you slowly make your way toward the top. I would encounter a few more hikers than I thought I would for Sunday afternoon. Not too far from the top is the splinter trail. I really didn't even know it was there except for the HAZ areas trail list.

The H-3a Trail diverts you east on a ridgeline until you can't go any further. The views were clear, I could see all the way to the Mazzies and Superstitions as well so I got the camera out to do some zooming. I then headed west to Thunderbird Conservation Park Peak, still a nice but rocky grade. Views seemed clear to the west and now it was time to hike this very long ridgeline trail that comes in and out of view, thus it's much longer than it appears. I continued to encounter hikers of all varieties. (I think coming up from the west is harder.) They have laid a bunch of new rock on the part of the trail that goes down the west side and on several more parts of the Cholla Loop Trail.

At the middle parking section between the east and west side of Thunderbird Park, I should have swung to the south and west but I headed just west below the amphitheatre and picked up the Sunrise Trail H-4a from there. Lots of people of all shapes and sizes and ages along with two novice bike riders were on this short stretch. At the saddle I opted to take the trail north around the water tank and then west to hook up with the Coachwhip Trail.

The Coachwhip semi-circles Sunrise Peak. I used it as a connector trail and hiked it south and then east. It's very nice, wide and smooth going in this area so I could pick up my speed a little. As you head east, in about a third of a mile you reach the junction with the Ridgeline Trail H-4b that takes you up to a "ridgeline". It too, has some fresh rock on it to negotiate. It does afford some nice views though. You hike the ridgeline east until you meet up with the junction of the Sunrise Trail. I hadn't planned on doing the Peak but since I was so close, and this time I had time, I headed on up.

This part of the Sunrise Trail to the peak is pretty busy too with hikers of all sizes, shapes and ages. The peak also has nice views and it was a good day for it. I didn't stay long but to take a couple pictures. From here it was back down and to the east side of the Park. This time I stayed above the amphitheatre and hooked back up with the junction of Coachwhip Loop (which starts at the far west parking lot and stays on the southside and crosses over). Essentially you just walk down the old road to the gate and then try to figure out where the Coachwhip Trail is again. You kind of stay to the south of the picnic area and then you'll see the rock-lined trail.

I continued east on the Coachwhip Trail next to and above Pinnacle Peak Road which is so NOISY. After crossing Pinnacle Peak Road I contined on the Coachwhip Trail until the junction with the Flatlander Trail (H-1a), gotta love that name. It takes you about 1/2 mile to the edge of the 500 Club with nice scenery looking up the side of this mountain covered with basalt.

As I made the turn I spotted some hot air balloons so I had to grab a few pictures. As I got further to the east I could see some burned trees so there must have been a fire through here at one time (July 2020). It was stark contrast with the greenery of the 500 Club. As I headed back west, I could see the hot air balloons again above the Arizona Temple; a pretty sight.

If you like to see people for most of your hike, Thunderbird Conservation Par is the area for that. I do hope these people get a chance to hike some of the nicer tread trails of the valley. I saw so many little ones and dogs too. I enjoyed my Huck Lager before heading home.

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WATCH: 8.07 miles (high point 1880, low 1368) avg bpm 136, max 162 (19% Zone 4, 35% Zone 3, 44% Zone 2) burning 1299 calories. Starting temp 71.5 and 13% humid (altho it seemed more humid than that) finishing at 4:53PM.
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Jul 14 2021
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 Joined Oct 24 2010
 Phoenix,Az
H-4a - ThunderbirdPhoenix, AZ
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mt98dewTriplogs 2,387
Run/Jog3.47 Miles 64 AEG
Run/Jog3.47 Miles      37 Mns   5.63 mph
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After work hike. Between long days at work and some lousy air quality it’s been hard to get any decent hiking in. Managed to get this shortie on one of the better air quality days. Parked at the 67th Ave TH. Sole purpose was to hike the H-4a, which to be honest is one of the shortest and least attractive trails you can imagine. Did a loop that I did last time that gives some elevation and a little distance. Took H-4a up to Sunrise peak and then wrapped around to the east to take Coachwhip back to the TH. Hot, but not excessively so…low hundreds today….nice for Arizona :) Encountered 4 other die hards.
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Aug 17 2020
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Run/Jog3.41 Miles 64 AEG
Run/Jog3.41 Miles      46 Mns   4.45 mph
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Short after work jog. Parked at the 67th ave TH. Took the H-4a to the Sunrise trail, hit the peak and then took the Sunrise down and around to the east side (to the side with the amphitheater). This allowed me to connect to the Coachwhip trail which I used to get back to the car. Weather seemed much nicer than Sunday's, though temps were about the same. No wild life but encountered 7 other hikers which is a decent number for a Monday scorcher. Side note...looked at the map provided on this trail's description page and it looks like the map is labeling the H-4a as part of the Sunrise trail. Hard to confirm this since that section of the trail isn't actually signed.
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Mar 26 2019
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55 male
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H-4a - ThunderbirdPhoenix, AZ
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mt98dewTriplogs 2,387
Run/Jog2.18 Miles 64 AEG
Run/Jog2.18 Miles      28 Mns   4.67 mph
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Short after work jog. Clockwise loop.....H-4a to Sunrise (hit the peak) then down on the Ridgeline and back to the TH via Coachwhip. The trails in this park are easy to follow, but not well signed, especially as layed out by HAZ. I have found that the best way to follow these trails (until you get to know them), is to download the track, or at least study the route and predetermine how the trail interacts with the rest. There is no signage for H-4a and the Coachwhip is only signed at a few spots. Still, easy trail system to get to. Some elevation options and there are some options with loop sizes. Nice day with high clouds. Moderate number of people on the trail. No wildlife.
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May 29 2018
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H-4a - ThunderbirdPhoenix, AZ
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mt98dewTriplogs 2,387
Run/Jog3.20 Miles 65 AEG
Run/Jog3.20 Miles      41 Mns   4.68 mph
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Late day at work led to a fall back hike at Thunderbird Park. Did a CCW loop involving H-4A - Sunrise - Ridgeline H-4b - Coachwhip - Sunrise - Chuckwalla H-5a. Little warm, but felt good to get this quick jog in.
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Nov 07 2017
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H-4a - ThunderbirdPhoenix, AZ
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mt98dewTriplogs 2,387
Run/Jog3.23 Miles 65 AEG
Run/Jog3.23 Miles      42 Mns   4.61 mph
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After work jog. Did a loop with the soul purpose of incorporating this segment into a loop. The lots were full and the trails were busy! Over 20 cars at the 75th Ave lot. Drove through this lot to the parking on the north side and started my hike from there. Did a loop going CCW. I looped around to this segment, which is very unimpressive. (I would much prefer the Chuckwalla H-5a). I then did the short climb up Sunrise. Took the Ridgeline H-4a over to the Coachwhip and then swung over to the Iguana to get back to the car. Nice jog...no knee aggravation.
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