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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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Finally got to this beautifully gritty loop. It just needs a little TLC! :) I chose CCW for several reasons: 1] I believe it's the more difficult direction. 2] Early pass-through of the extensive Supai trail damage below the tunnel on the North Kaibab before any possible closure delays (not sure if the crews were on leave). 3] Semi-shadier on the last rim dash (KP) with a more logical pause to enjoy a beer, instead of a sunny, crowded and touristy North Kaibab ascent.
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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I completed this route as an R3 trip (SK-Old BA-KP-NK-BA), with one night on the north rim. It was a bear of a trip but perfect for me - my goals were to explore a new area of the canyon and practice my route-finding skills. I also much preferred the views I had here to the Roaring Spring drainage.

This route wasn't a casual hike, but I didn't want casual. 1 mile/hr was about the best that could be done on Old BA. In many sections I was pushing through scratchy barberry and oaks that had grown into the trail. But, the brush wasn't bad or consistent enough to convince me to put on pants in the heat. I also managed without poles, though they would have been helpful. A downloaded route sped things up, but the faint trail, cairns, and knowledge of the route would have been enough to get through. I also think the upper section was somewhat easier for me because the shrubs were still leafless.

Through the bright angel shale, the trail is narrow and eroding. You traverse steep scree where your feet slide a bit. The correct stream crossing was not difficult to find travelling upward (I read about stream traps). However, immediately after crossing the trail becomes much more difficult to follow, apparently splitting into a network of barely-there cairned routes that made for very slow, tedious progress up and down the slope when I really just wanted to traverse it. The trail re-emerged clearly and was almost pleasant below and through the redwall. On top of the redwall, the trail again disappears - here, you follow the wash until finding a large cairn that leads you up the far side. Through the Supai and Coconino I had no issues following the trail, but I lost it on the final 300 vert push up a slope. After leaving the creek, I found flowing water in the small side drainage the trail contours through and in potholes on top of the redwall. I already was carrying water for the night from Manzanita, though.

Ken Patrick trail still had some snow patches which I had to posthole through (up to mid-thigh; this was the worst part of my trip). I saw some fresh cougar tracks along the trail and no sign of humans - fun. There were nice views across the canyon just west of the Old BA TH and just east of NK.
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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This was the second day hike of the weekend and Old Bright Angel trail was the objective. I hiked it several years ago with Kathy and definitely gave me reason to hike it again. The old trail is mostly followable and there are usually very visible trail construction especially on the top half. Everything above the redwall was built to last with some nice switchbacks even though it's overgrown. Below the redwall it's tougher to follow the trail which has some loose and sketchy sections to negotiate. Eventually we dropped down to Bright Angel Creek which has some great pools and very scenic part of the trail. However, that scenery comes at a price in tough route finding and rough terrain. This was the only section where the old trail is difficult to find and follow. After following the creek right for about 3/4 of a mile the trail crosses and follows creek left. It continues on the left side down canyon until it reaches the North Kaibab Trail and the bridge at the Manzanita rest area. Of course we did not see anyone on Old BA which we pretty much expected.

At Manzanita rest area we took an good long break to rehydrate and sit by the creek for awhile. After that it was the long uphill but being on trail was refreshing. I was also expecting more North Kaibab hikers but really wasn't too many out this weekend. There was trail reconstruction going on in the redwall section with 5 park service guys working very hard to redo the trail. Thanked them for their hard work and continued up the trail. At the top it was nice to be done and happy to see Old Bright Angel trail again!
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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We started our day camped around 9K ft on the Kaibab Plateau. We would pack up our camp and then drive to the North Kaibab Trailhead. We scored a parking spot on the road roughly a quarter mile back & started hiking a few minutes before 8am.

Our hike started with the Ken Patrick Trail. The going is relatively easy as you work your way through the forest. I found myself out of breath and remembered we’re hiking above 8K ft. We set a steady pace and headed for the start of the Old Bright Angel Trail. We arrived at the sign and took a short break to fuel up and apply sun screen. It was then go time!

The Old Bright Angel Trail starts off with a steep descent and then you have to push through an overgrown section. This initial section was a bit confusing but we had a GPS Route preloaded and this kept us on track. After pushing through the brush the route is mostly obvious as it drops into the Canyon. It’s a mix of heavy brush and a lot of downed trees to navigate over. The views are spectacular! We set a modest pace and worked our way down. Most of this was shaded as its east facing and it was still early so the sun was not overhead yet. We continued down and it’s rugged with steep switchbacks through the Coconino & then easy going for a bit. We arrived in the creek bottom and took a much needed break.

After our break we continued to the top of the Redwall. From here the route stays high on the right as it traverses its way down canyon. The footing is poor as its loose & off camber. We carefully worked our way down as we got closer to the bed of Bright Angel Creek. Along this stretch we crossed the top of a solid waterfall coming off a side drainage. Soon after we arrived at Bright Angel Creek & took another break. This area was very confusing as we weren’t sure if you follow the creek or climb back up in hopes of finding the trail. We would split up and got lucky & found the trail about 100ft above the creek. This section was rocky & off camber but relatively straightforward. We kept at it and could see the North Kaibab Trail straight ahead. A few minutes later our route turned to the left and headed south. We stayed high and followed the trail. There’s a route but sections are in poor shape. It’s steep with poor footing but we got through fine. A few minutes later we arrived at the bridge by the Manzanita Rest House where we took an extended lunch and soaked our feet in the frigid Bright Angel Creek.

After our break it was time for the slog up the North Kaibab Trail. It’s been about three years since I’ve hiked this trail and I was pleasantly surprised to see the trail conditions are top notch! No wonder so many people like to trail run it. We set a steady pace & headed up & we got lucky with some clouds that provided pockets of shade. The going went well & we encountered more people as we ascended. The climb up the Supai took some work and the Coconino was hardy as well. I took a break near the top of the Coconino & then continued up. I was delighted to arrive back on the rim and the end of the hike. We would load up and then headed north and camped near Jacob Lake & returned to Phoenix the next day.

The Old Bright Angel Trail was a joy to hike. It’s not easy but is worth the effort. I would recommend having a GPS Route loaded. This saved time & effort. All in all it was a great holiday weekend getaway and I’m already thinking about the next trip to the Grand Canyon! It never gets old!
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Butte Fault Loop, AZ 
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Disclaimer: This is not a very good route, and I do not recommend it. It is of course incredibly scenic and geologically (and historically) fascinating, but there are long sections of unpleasant hiking due scratchy brush and lots of loose, sharp rocks. I like hiking off trail as much as the next guy, and have done a lot of it in the desert and elsewhere, but this is non-terrific. IMO, this route if for Grand Canyon aficionados only. Also, there are long distances between reliable water sources. Buzz & I are strong, experienced hikers, and were able to camp at water every night. Others may have to dry camp at times. As always, YMMV.

The GPS track to this trip is attached. It is also available here: https://caltopo.com/m/78G3
These are from Buzz's Strava https://www.strava.com/athletes/184882, edited somewhat to remove GPS errors and such. You can also view more photos on there.

I read whatever trip reports I could find for this route and studied it carefully to come up with a track to load into Gaia on my phone. This turned out pretty well. We did find some of the route descriptions to be confusing and sometimes just wrong. So maybe our GPS track will help future hikers.

April is the best time to do this hike due to good weather, long days, and not too much snow on the North Rim. Unfortunately, the North Rim is mostly inaccessible in April. We simply added a bit of on-trail hiking by starting at the South Rim and making a lollipop loop. There are certainly other, shorter ways to do this, such as by starting at the Nankoweep TH and ending on the South Rim, which of course would require a shuttle. We figured a little extra hiking was simpler than dealing with logistics.

We didn’t want to camp on the North Rim, which would have been at least 15 degrees colder than anywhere else on the route, so we took a short first day and hiked the South and North Kaibab trails ~14 miles to Cottonwood CG.

Leaving camp at 6am on Day 2 was the last time we saw any people for over 3 full days. We decided to go up the Old Bright Angel trail, since neither of us had done it, and it seemed more in character with the route we were doing. Though easy to follow, Old BA is very overgrown in many sections and kind of a thrash. Buzz commented that in 5 years it will no longer be a viable route due to the brush. Though I think ~ 3 miles shorter I believe it took longer to go this way than just following the main trail. There was some post-holing on the Ken Patrick Trail, and we just did a short bush-whack up to the main paved road on the North Rim. Hiking on the closed paved road was of course fast and pleasant. We were relying on finding water at Neal Spring, which is on the USGS map, but it turns out the spring does not exist in real life. Which left us facing a very long stretch with no water, since we had not carried extra water up from Bright Angel Creek. Fortunately the weather was very cool (40s) and we found patches of snow that we could eat to sustain us passably well. Going down Nankoweep Trail the ephemeral spring near Marion Point was bone dry. Having made a really dumb route finding error earlier in the day which cost us over 90 minutes, we finally reached Nankoweep Creek ~ 90 minutes after dark. About 24 miles for the day, mostly on trail.

On Day 3 we hiked ~16 miles (all off trail) to upper Lava Creek. The only water between Nanko and Lava was in Kwagunt Creek. We carried plenty out of Kwagunt, but the day was cool enough and we didn’t have a problem. Route finding is easy – you’re just following along the obvious fault – and there were no technical difficulties. There don’t seem to be great (or any) established camp sites in upper Lava, but we found a very reasonable spot.

The hike from Lava Creek to Juno Saddle is definitely the technical crux of this route. It is brushy, steep, loose and I’d say dangerous. We started by heading up Lava Creek past the source spring. There is a large Tapeats abutment on the south side of the Lava Creek. We went just past the abutment and found an easy (though very brushy & steep) route up through the Tapeats. From there we continued up a bit and then descended into the main creek just below the junction of the 2 major arms of this drainage. We then turned up the (hiker) left drainage. Everyone says don’t miss this drainage, but it is obvious. The trouble begins after this point. You are not going all the way to the head of this drainage. Instead, at some point you will turn right and head up the slope out of the drainage, which is very steep, loose and overgrown. We turned out of the drainage at around 5200’, heading for the right side of an obvious tower (which turns out to be more of a fin). This was a lousy route, but I don’t know if there is a better one. About 100 vertical feet lower than where we left the drainage there is an obvious chute entering from the right. I would think that would be a better route, but since the route description we were following didn’t say “take the obvious chute at 5100 feet” we didn’t go that way. Anyway, we just kept thrashing our way up and eventually found ourselves on top of the Redwall and had an easier walk over to the saddle at 6012’. Descending Unkar was straightforward. At 4700’ there’s a cairn marking where you have to exit the drainage hiker left to bypass a dryfall. Going up the southwest arm of Unkar you will bypass a similar dryfall by climbing out of the drainage hiker left. The ascent up this arm of Unkar is straightforward with a lot of boulder hopping/scrambling but no route finding issues. The descent from the Redwall saddle into Vishnu is also obvious. Just head down (steep & loose!) into the drainage. After several hundred vertical feet you will encounter a huge dryfall, and you can scoot out right on Muav benches for a ways until you can find an extremely loose and annoying (SHARP rocks!) descent into the north arm of Vishnu. Just awful but mercifully short. From there we walked down Vishnu, through the lovely narrows to a nice campsite at a huge undercut just after the small, steep side drainage where you want to leave Vishnu for the next section. There was water at this spot, but it was relatively stagnant. Our Day 3 was about 12 miles, and we arrived at camp pretty early.

We got up early anticipating a long last day. There was a little scramble leaving Vishnu via the side drainage just above the undercut camp spot. Following the drainage up, then aim to go pretty far left to get around the Muav layer. You can try to find a more direct route through, but probably like us you will just wish you had headed left in the first place. From above the Muav just angle right to an obvious break in the Redwall (which seems to be a fault) just north of Hall Butte. From the saddle you follow the top of the Redwall layer mostly north for quite a long way (2 miles?) There are vague signs of past use. The climb down through the Redwall from the saddle between Angels Gate and Wotans Throne is the steepest, most exposed climbing we encountered, but the rock is relatively solid. Continuing down the drainage toward the east arm of Clear Creek, you must leave the drainage (heading west) just above a huge dryfall in the Tapeats layer and after a short way find a use trail down into the drainage, where you will encounter running water. I think it may have taken us 6 hours to hike the 7 miles from Vishnu to Clear Creek CG. From there we just motored out, happy to be on excellent trails finally. Capping a ~23 mile day, we reached the South Kaibab TH at 7:30pm, just before headlamps would have been needed, and just in time for the last shuttle bus.
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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After finishing the hike I wanted to reread the triplogs for this hike because I'm fairly certain they forgot some key adjectives in describing this hike....rough, brutal, unforgiving, :pk: Hats off to dgrunning, Who preceded to knock off this trail and then moseyed on out the southern side.

The OBA had been on my radar for a couple of years after coming across it when doing the Ken Patrick. So after work Friday I drove up to the North Rim and car camped at the scenic overlook coming out of the Vermillion Cliffs (3 hours) and then for another hour off of FS 212. Got to the Kaibab TH a little before 4am which was a good thing since I was able to snag one of the last parking spots. (There was already 3-4 groups headlamps beaming prepping for their hike).

Got on the trail at 4am which I realized as I was heading in on the Ken Patrick was a little early. Knowing that the OBA was going to be a little challenging I wanted to hit it with daylight. So initially I tried for a slower pace to better time my arrival. Worked out ok on its own as night hiking is kind of slowing going anyway. The first part of Ken Patrick is a mule trail so it cuts a wide swathe and is pretty chewed up. Makes for easy following with a near full moon. About a mile in there is a junction for the Uncle Jim trail and the mule rides follow that trail and KP takes a more interior route becoming more of a single track. Still easy enough to follow. Moon put on quite a show as it was setting (nice orange hue) though I had to look over my shoulder to catch glimpses of it between the trees. I had maybe 20 minutes where I was able to enjoy a true star filled sky between moonset and the beginnings of sunrise. There are several fire meadows (areas where the trees have been destroyed by fires leaving charred fingers, down trees and unobstructed views of the night skies) that allowed me to appreciate stars that I never see from the city.

Got to the OBA around 5:20. Still plenty dark out, but the trail juncture is well signed. Headed down and lost the trail within a few switchbacks. I'm a shorts guy and I got scratched up quite a bit floundering through the growth trying to follow ghost trails and then trying to follow the downloaded route to where the trail supposedly was. Didn't really have success until the sun rose enough to illuminate the area. Even then, not sure I would have found it if not for the download. The missing trail really is not that much, but a downed tree and new growth has pretty much obscured that section. Once I got passed this section OBA was fairly easy to follow. The cut into the side of canyon was evident and still well established which turned out to be good thing because my garmin (and the downloaded route) died shortly thereafter ](*,) Also, turned out that my Go Pro - which I had gotten for my birthday - still wasn't working ](*,) ](*,) Which was really unfortunate because the views from the upper sections of this trail were awesome. The morning sunlight and the fall colors created a full spectrum of colors. Breathtaking. Got quite a bit more pin striping as I made my way down to the dy wash. Actually got my clippers out and made war on my way down. Probably lost an hour in this losing battle and will probably go unnoticed by hikers to come.

Took my time going down the dry wash. Previous write ups made this sound sketchy and without a garmin I was flying blind. There was a scattering of cairns in the wash that brought me to the "dry fall." (There were also periodic cairns along the slope of the left bank, but these should be ignored). When I hit the dry fall I left the wash and followed several closely placed cairns on the right side of the wash. A little above these was a larger cairn (about 7 high) that had me climbing higher up the slope. Got lucky, because a little to the left of this and about 5 ft lower was a flat track that turned out to be OBA (or what constitute it). This section was lightly cairned (could be more so in my opinion). I wasn't sure if was on track until I hit some rocky and relatively steep switchbacks heading down. My toes had a rough day. They ached from the cold in the morning (low 20's) and then were brutalized on the descent. They were probably getting hammered early in the descent, but I didn't notice them until now...

Sans the toes, I was feeling pretty good when I reached the first stream. I mean, the Canyon floor was practically within reach. There was a 20 ft waterfall (pretty) and then I was there. Right? Wrong! Up until this point the trail was fairly well cut (overgrown, but fairly evident). On average 12-24 inches in width. From the stream on, I was a man without a trail...or at least, what I would call a trail. I ended up crossing the stream and scrambling uphill along what may have been a very eroded trail or simply a game trail....same thing. For the first half mile, maybe a mile (it seemed like 10) I came across an occasional cairn and tried my best so stay with apparent cuts in the slope. But these cuts were usually 6 inches or less, rocky and overgrown. I tried briefly dropping down to the Canyon floor, but never found a trail and the growth chased me back to my rabbit trail. I had the stupid idea of trying to gain elevation and look down on the landscape, hoping to spy some remnants of the OBA. That was a lost hour. Ended up on the rabbit trail. There were probably several rabbit trails out there, but this one got me to a bamboo like, 8 ft high field that led to the second river crossing. I had to take my shoes/socks off for this. The first one I was able to hop across. With this crossing I thought I was home free, North Kaibab was visible just up the Canyon. Sigh. Not so.

I guess I kind of let my guard down, being so close to a real trail. After the river crossing, the trail got, if anything, worse. Not so much with foliage, but the trail seemed to average 3-6 inches wide on 60+ degree slopes with the canyon floor (river) being 30-50 ft below. (There were shelf and ledges in between trail and river. But still very precarious!). To compound matters my toes were ready to go on strike. I had one slip where if it wasn't for a conviently placed shrub I would have slipped 10 ft down one of those 60 degree slopes... There was another spot where I had to use a large tree root to cross a washed out trail section. In my mind this last stretch was dangerous and if I had encountered it at the beginning of the hike rather than at the end I probably wouldn't have done it. The trail deposited me at the bridge just below the pumpstation. (I don't think I was ever so happy to face a 3000ft climb :lol: ) Not sure what the GPS route is for this last stretch, but it is for the sure footed and Those who like to be challenged.

Hiked up North Kaibab to finish the loop. Rough climb out, but my toes were happy. With no garmin I am going to go with previous write ups for mileage. No wildlife. No hikers until Kaibab, then I encountered over 100. Wouldn't mind going back and doing trail maintenance on the upper section, but would definitely want to follow some other track on the river section.
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Rim to Rim via Old Bright Angel, AZ 
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5:45 a.m.--North Kaibab Trailhead parking area was as full as I've ever seen it. No parking spots and several cars parked along the side of the road. Luckily, we were just getting dropped off. Several groups starting in at the same time re-confirmed my decision to take an alternate route down the canyon, via the Old Bright Angel Trail. I tried to convince a few others in my group to join me, but either: (a) they didn't feel they were physically up to adding an additional 4-5 miles, plus dealing with the bushwhacking and route-finding on a primitive trail, or (b) those who were fit enough to add the additional mileage were a little obsessed with improving their R2R times. So, as the masses flooded down NK, I hung a left onto the Ken Patrick trail and locked into nearly 5 hours of complete solitude in the Canyon ....

It was still dark, and less than a half mile into my jaunt along the rim, I was greeted with some large animal crunching branches 30-40 yards in the distance. My headlamp illuminated a pair of eyes and my adrenaline began to kick in. I immediately began clapping my hands and whistling, after which the animal bolted off. I'm guessing it was an elk, but who knows .... For the next half mile or so, I took up whistling and clapping as a side hobby. :lol:

As the light of dawn arrived, the forested rim was covered in a cloudy fog. I scared off a couple of deer, but otherwise saw no other animals on the 4-mile traverse to the Old BA trailhead. The cloudy fog added a little spice to the otherwise somewhat blase rim hike through forest and recovering burn areas. Just before reaching OBA, it actually sprinkled a bit and I wondered whether the canyon was going to be socked in with clouds, obscuring any expansive views.

I arrived at the well-marked OBA traihead in good time, as I was hoping--despite my extra miles and primitive trail--to catch up to some in my group before they all reached the south rim. I had read all of the OBA triplogs and some other "beta" on the route, and had a gps route loaded in RS with various notes on what seemed to be the tricky spots.

My homework served me well in the top portion of the trail, and I managed to stay relatively well on track down to the crossing of the tributary creek that drains into Bright Angel Creek. The only real casualty up to that point were my legs, which took a "scrubbing" from all of the scrub oak that has overgrown the trail, as well as whatever that plant is that has leaves that look like holly but with sharp, poky, points! I knew I should have worn long pants, but ignored my own advice b/c I didn't want to have long pants for the other 20 miles when I wouldn't need them. Next time: zip-offs :D

Anyway, when I hit the tributary creek, I went in search of the waterfall mentioned in various triplogs. However, I somehow got the idea that the waterfall was UPstream from the crossing, so I immediately headed in that direction. After 15 minutes of hard bushwhacking and managing to get both my feet wet, and no waterfall to show for it, I threw in the towel headed back to the crossing point. It's not clear where to go from that point, but I climbed pretty straight up the other side of the ravine and eventually located what passed as the trail. Shortly thereafter, I looked back to see the referenced waterfall, which is actually DOWNstream from the crossing. Oh well ...

After rounding the next outcropping, I was very conscious of the warnings not to descend to Bright Angel Creek too early. That said, going down towards the creek seemed like the only viable option, as the side of the canyon was otherwise choked with manzanita and other, somewhat impassable barriers. That said, I dutifully resisted, going up, over, and sometimes through bushes, in search of anything remotely resembling a trail that stayed above the creek.

Eventually, I worked my way over to the crossover of a small, side drainage (for reference, on my gps track, this spot is right on top of the "e" in "Bright Angel Canyon" on the CalTopo layer). There was actually a cairn in the middle of the crossover, but no indication of where to go from there, and the opposite side of the drainage was pretty sheer, with no sign of any trail. Nevertheless, in the absence of any apparently better options, I climbed up. The next 0.3 mile was a total crapshoot of scrambling up and down, hand over fist, sliding down sketchy chutes, and doing everything possible in search of a route, while still trying to make forward progress. : rambo : It was a time-consuming workout, and I still don't have much better intel to pass on, as to where the trail is/was. I can say that I did't descend to the creek too early, but perhaps erred on the side of trying to stay too high. My general advice for this section is just to pack some extra time, and a lot of patience.

Eventually, I located some snippets of a trail that seemed to descend in relative proximity to where I had the correct creek crossing marked on my gps track. Approaching the creek, there was a fairly well worn, narrow path through the reeds that led to a crossing point. I could see where at least a few others had scrambled up the opposite side, but the crossing would be a wet one, and my marked crossing point was still slightly farther downstream. So, I backtracked a bit and then bushwhacked downstream to the crossing point on my track. I was able to make a leap across at this point without getting wet, but there was no sign of the trail on the opposite side. One of my beta sources referred to a steep climb, so I just climbed up the steep slope, and within about 20 yards up located the faint remains of the trail (which I now believe came up from the point where "reed" crossing was). In any event, I had no navigational issues on OBA from this point forward.

In a short while, I approached the junction with Roaring Spring Canyon, and enjoyed the fresh viewpoint of RS, the NK trail, and the Pumphouse/Manzanita rest area from the opposing side of the canyon. But the real gem was the views of Bright Angel Creek, including some very cool cascades draining into a "toilet bowl" swimming hole just past the junction of the two side canyons.

It wasn't long until I popped out onto the NK trail at the bridge just below the Pumphouse. By that point, I was a little shy of 5 hours into the hike. While I was glad to have battled the OBA, it was refreshing to finally be back on the smooth, maintained NK corridor trail. By that time, the crowds of hikers had passed through and/or broken up.

Anxious to make up time, I hot-footed it down to Phantom Ranch. Along the way, I passed by the Ribbon Falls bridge, which has been "closed" for a couple of years, but is now a twisted mess and completely unuseable. Only access to Ribbon Falls is through the creek from the south side of the "hill."

Unfortunately, my tromping in the side creek on OBA and resulting wet feet turned into a real problem. Along with my shoe choice, which was mostly leather and didn't breathe well, my feet could stay neither dry nor cool. And despite changing socks, and making a couple of attempts to duct tape/moleskin/bandage things up, I ultimately just accepted that it was going to be a bit of a blister-fest and just determined to plow forward.

From the River to the top on Bright Angel Trail, my time was just over 3 hours, averaging around 20 min/mile. I felt pretty good from a cardio/muscle/energy standpoint--just tried to ignore my feet. Worked pretty well, as I passed everyone I saw coming up, and caught up with several in my group just before or at Indian Gardens.

After a refreshing shower at Mather Campground (PSA: they increased the price from $2 to $2.50), I assessed the damage--a couple of prize-winning blisters, but actually not as bad as it could have been. I was grateful to slip on a pair of soft clean socks, along with my highly-prized Ofoos sliders ("victory shoes"), and enjoyed sharing tales of the Canyon with my friends as we made our late night trip back to the Valley.

Another memorable R2R in the books. :y:
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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I've always had a mild fascination with abandoned trails... So the Old Bright Angel route has been on my list for some time.

Started out at 8:30am the last day of August. Expected some heat down low, but I figured there would be water to cool off in... The 3.7ish miles on Ken Patrick is just a nice easy jaunt on the rim, with a few little grunts, but mostly joggable. I was honestly a little surprised they list the Old B.A. trail on the sign at the TH.

When I hit Old BA, I didn't really know what to expect... But it got very overgrown very quickly. The tread was pretty easy to follow until about 200 yards down, where it takes a jog to the right that's nearly impossible to spot. That's really the only spot that's confusing until all the way down to the bottom of the Supai.

The stretch from the top of the rim down to the bottom of the drainage really just needs a good trim; the tread is in really good condition. I was even able to jog parts of it.

Once you hit the bottom of the drainage (which was bone dry this weekend), it becomes harder to follow on markings alone... But pretty easy if you realize you just stay in the drainage until you hit the redwall.

Once you begin the redwall descent, you start to encounter washouts... And this is where it started to heat up. After traversing around the end of the ridge, a flowing side creek was a welcome spot to cool off. Coming out of said creek is one of the spots I had trouble with - there are two or three dirt paths, all of which look like washouts, but one of which is the actual trail. I chose wrong, went a little too high, and had to scramble back down to the trail.

The trail then dropped down towards BA Creek, and came upon a small narrows. The trail goes up over a bench, but it's nearly impossible to figure out the correct way up. I again chose wrong, went too high, and had to scramble back. After crossing over the bench, I lost the trail and said "screw it, I'm just going down the the creek" - just before which I stumbled on the trail. In retrospect it might just be easier to bypass this section by wading through the creek.

At this point, Roaring Springs was probably within a mile, and the route became considerably easier to follow. After the creek crossing (where it may be possible to stay dry, but I figured my legs needed a rinse), the route is straightforward, but contains some of the most narrow, washed out tread on the whole trail.

Water was off at Manzanita, so I had to employ the filter. Took a side trip to Roaring Springs, then began the somewhat unremarkable power hike up North Kaibab.
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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We have wanted to do Old Bright Angel Trail for awhile now and this weekend worked well. Stayed in one of the cabins at North Rim Lodge so we had easy access to North Kaibab Trailhead and started relatively early just before 6am. From several posted triplogs it sounded like the best way to approach the loop was going down Old Bright Angel Trail instead of up. So with this approach we started on Ken Patrick Trail from the North Kaibab parking lot. The KP trail was flat and nice hike through the forest with lots of aspen. Good warm up for the main hike of the day. Reached the KP and Old Bright Angel junction at about 3.7 miles and we took a break with great views at the junction.

After the break it was time to tackle Old Bright Angel Trail. The OBA was of course steep but aside from some brushy spots at the top we were able to follow it fairly easily. We just had to watch for a few tricky switchbacks which could be hard to see in the brush. Eventually the trail drops down a ridge, then downhill traverse, some more switchbacks, and finally into drainage which was the top of the red wall. Trail was cairned in the drainage and were able to find it exiting near a pour off. From the red wall pour off the trail dropped another level to nice drainage with decent flow of water. Took another break here and enjoyed the riparian area.

From there we made the final drop to Bright Angel Creek. Initially we were able to follow the trail but eventually lost it near the creek. There were some tedious steep side slopes and boulder fields that slowed us down. After wasting about 45 minutes finally decided to climb up the slope and sure enough we found the trail. I backtracked a ways to find where we had lost the trail and was able to find the area. So the goal would be to stay high until the only Bright Angel Creek crossing which was well marked by cairns. From the crossing the trail was relatively easy to follow and it never crosses until the bridge at the Pumphouse on North Kaibab Trail. Overall Old Bright Angel Trail was fairly easy to follow except for the one spot which if I was paying attention might have stayed on trail. Found a good lunch spot near Bright Angel and Roaring Springs confluence. Cooled off in some small pools as it was starting to warm up especially being lower in the canyon.

From the lunch spot it was less than a mile to the Pumphouse where we saw first people of the day. With the heat on we hydrated for a good 30 minutes before heading North Kaibab to the rim. Aside from the hikers at Pumphouse we didn’t see many other hikers until the footbridge below Supai Tunnel. Then the unusual crowd as we finished off the final few miles. Reached the top by 515….great hike and really enjoyed the solitude of OBA Trail!
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I was super excited to finally try the Old Bright Angel trail. I confirmed more than once that my comfort level is not happy when both feet cannot fit side by side on the trail.
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I headed to the Grand Canyon with @carriejane over the New Years weekend. The goals were: Hippie Camp in Upper Phantom, a recon of the Shiva exit route, a quick trip up Haunted Canyon and then Cheops Pyramid. The trip was also a test run on my surgically repaired shoulder, which is nearing its fourth month of recovery and long awaited end to its five pound limitation/restriction.

Day one included a late start and then an extra trip down the road to the trailhead to go back and grab some containers we had forgotten that would be needed to haul the water for our dry camp on day two. South Kaibab was a bit of a zoo, but the hiking was quick and the views were nice as usual. The Utah Flats Route was the rugged steep little climb we expected, but it went well. The stretch from the top to Phantom Canyon was a real treat, some great clouds and big views. The scramble down to Phantom was a little tedious, but that initial stretch of canyon makes it worthwhile. Initially, we had planned to hike into Hippie camp on the first night, but the attractiveness of the overhang camp and taking off the heavy packs won over.

On day two we day hiked up to Hippie camp and did a quick recon of the Shiva Exit Route, which I have to admit looks pretty intense, but I would still like to utilize it on a future ambitious trip. Although Hippie camp was a minor let down, the area intrigued both of us and we discussed a potential future return during snow melt. There was no time for Haunted Canyon with Cheops Pyramid still on the slate, so we returned to camp, packed up and made our way down stream. After a quick visit to the rope and falls that mark the upper and lower divide of Phantom, we filtered and stocked up on water for Cheops and our upcoming dry camp. Then it was the brisk climb back up U.F.R. and a quick stroll across the Tonto. We dropped the heavy packs and started off for Cheops at about 2:10 p.m. The off trail contour to the pyramid is a bit of a slog, but it seemed to go by quickly and before we knew it we were at the base of the “steps.” This part went a little smoother for me than the last time and we located the little climbs and the cairns marking them with relative ease. On the summit before 3:30 p.m. and after a ten minute break or so we were heading back down. The hike back to our packs was a little slow, but we were still able to retrieve our packs and make our way down trail to a nice campsite just before nightfall.

Day three consisted of slipping and sliding down Utah Flats into Phantom Ranch and then the River Trail to Bright Angel. We detoured off BA to do some of the Old Bright Angel and made the obligatory stop at the archeological site along the way. The last three miles of BA were a major slog for me, but Carrie was unfazed and left me in the dust a little.
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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Day hike with 5 great Canyon hiker companions, Jamie Compos, Doug Nering, Erik Baldwin, Frank Feagans and Adrian Jantzi. (Somehow they all managed to keep up with me ;) :lol: )

Started on "the old road" that heads down the small drainage that leads to Kendrick Trail's Ice Box Meadow. This old road can be found at the junction of the Point Imperial and Cape Royal turnoffs. (Check a map)

We then followed Kendrick just about a mile to the Old BA Trailhead.

Lots or fresh lion sign and scat on Kendrick and multiple more signal below along OBA

The top 50ft of Old BA are Probably the most "difficult" part of the old trail.
There is however a switch back at the very top (on the rim) hidden by gambel oak...if you can find that hidden switchback you can easily follow it along a gentle slope for that "difficult 50ft".

We didn't so that...so we slipped and slid and hooted and hollered for 50ft until the next incredibly obvious section of trail.

From there on out it was smooth sailing all the way to Roaring Springs!
The sign says 7 miles... we're not sure it's that much but hey, that's what the sign says ;)
We were guessing maybe 5.5 miles at the most it was a long steep route but definitely not 7mi...or is it?!?

The Redwall rim has a sweet clear "stream" in it right now and we enjoyed cooling off in that by splashing like children from the edge..

The Redwall rim traverse was my favorite part, very very easy to follow (I'll post pics of that later) but absolutely gorgeous views, wonderful day and such great company!

Sneaking through the Muave was fun and led us to a "secret stream" I heard some folks call it Emmett Creek?
Any HAZzers ever heard of that?

Winding out along the east wall in Muave ls and BA Shalethe power lines came into view and the dull roar of roaring Springs was finally clear.

We leapt across Tapeats ledges to get to a large sunny flat of Tapeats for lunch break and water fun. We then headed to the pumphouse where Jamie presented the 12 beers he'd stashed in his pack early that morning.

It wasn't until the Redwall along North Kaibab Trail that we pulled out the 32oz Refuge IPA and celebrated the day properly!

From the pumphouse was saw deer at Roaring Springs and danced on the helipad and got nauseated by the chlorine gas from the filtration station we were near.
After beers we crawled up a slope (not the trail of course) and somehow managed to reach NK trail and up up we went.

Ended the day with pizza and beer and wine at the North Rim Employee Pub.
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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Out KP with a warm-up side loop around UJ, then down OBA and up NK, with a wild mid-morning hail and rainstorm for extra fun! OBA is a very cool route and generally not hard to follow, but gnarly enough that probably none but the hardcore GC enthusiast will appreciate it.
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Old Bright Angel - Miner's Route Loop, AZ 
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On our "free day" on the GCHBA Volunteer Project, I originally wanted to climb to the Battleship. However, when I started to query my fellow adventurers on theirplans, it seemed that I'd be alone on that one, and I wasn't sure scrambling off route in the GC solo was the level of adventure I was up to. Instead I wormed my way into the group doing the Old BA - Miner's Route Loop, and since I'd never done that one before - I knew it'd be a good time.

It is a great hike. Both routes are reasonably easy to follow for seasoned canyon route-finders. Just look for the spot where you think a route should go, and more than likely you'll be right. For the top of the Old BA, it's super easy - it's a well engineered trail that provides views of ancient granaries and the historic phone line. Below the Tonto Trail was a new piece for me, and it shows less of the solid engineering and more of that "follow gravity" mentality to get you down to Pipe Creek. As an alternative to the Devil's Corkscrew, it's definitely more direct - but I'll probably stick to the new BA when I'm bearing a pack.

I was wearing a pair of nice Ex-Officio pants that I'd found at a thrift store in Tucson. Turns out these pants were actually pretty old and/or worn out, because the first test on a bit of sliding and they split nearly the whole seat out. So, I spent a few lovely minutes sitting by the side of the trail, pants around my knees, duct taping them back together. Thank goodness I'm not as shy as I once was!

At Pipe Creek, we rejoined the new trail, and we ran into Callie with the NPS trail crew at the toilets just above the river. Her job involves hiking from Indian Gardens to the lower toilets on the BA and South Kaibab trails for maintenance and cleaning - so she's in super amazing shape. We invited her to join our hike, and she was genuinely excited at the idea. She had some chores to finish up first, but she thought she'd try to connect with us at Phantom Ranch.

We hiked over the Silver Bridge into Bright Angel Canyon to say hello to some folks and get our Lemmy fix (what are the odds that I was hiking with 4 guys and they ALL passed on the Tecate?). We ran in Sjors in the campground - he usually runs our volunteer projects when we're in the BA campground. He told us to watch out for the condors that have been nesting in the area - including a fledgling which hasn't been numbered yet. His observations of the birds below the rim are always amazing, even more so considering that he does it while also working harder than most paid employees (he's a volunteer himself). My hike time excludes the hour we spent relaxing by the beautiful Bright Angel Creek. Callie caught up, and after a few chores in the BA campground, she was ready to do the up trail with us - one she'd never done before, so she was particularly excited.

Crossing back over the muddy waters of the Rio Colorado, we caught the Miner's Route just past the Silver Bridge and started up. Straight up. At times, it felt like the route should feel scary-impossible, but the footing was always stable. Not that I'd be eager to follow it down or anything - but it's not as bad as it looks from the bottom.

The route provides several small saddles, where we took quick breaks and enjoyed views of the Granite Gorge. I was glad to have Callie along, because though she was in amazing shape, she was also happy to hang in the back with me and chat. She would be fun to hike with even in the worst of circumstances, but it was great to hear some of her own canyon stories. It was also nice to have a girl along so I had someone I trusted to take a photo of the duct tape patch on my pants ;)

From the top of the shist there's a short contour around (that's still pretty steep), then a fun little "ramp" through the Tapeats. None of it has any real exposure - which was perfect for me - but there are still good views. Once we popped up onto the Tonto and passed the Miner's Monument it was smooth sailing. There's no real route back to the trail from there, but it's easy enough to head up the plateau knowing that at some point you'll cross that well-worn track.

An additional benefit of the trek was that it completed yet another portion of the Tonto Trail for me. I've done every piece except the Gems and the bit between S.Kaibab and Bright Angel. Now, I've done the latter as well, except for about .25 miles which I can easily pick up next time I head down.

Once back on trail, we cooked along - with a short stop to talk with other hikers near Burro Spring. I loved the Pipe Creek Amphitheater - very classic Tonto Trail views - and the massive pouroff at the top of the Tapeats from the western finger of the creek.

When we got back to Indian Gardens, Callie stopped at the toilets, dropped her pack and got back out her rubber gloves to finish her work day. She said she knew that hiking with us would mean she'd be working late, but she was glad for the diversion. I had to give her kudos - just doing the hike was a good day's work, and now she was going to clean composting toilets for a few hours on top of that! What a girl!

Back at the bunkhouse it was quinoa and hamburger gravy for dinner with salad and pudding for desert. Slept in my tent to the gentle whirr of the toilets and a fairly noisy campground - but it was still sweet!
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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Started from the top of the North Kaibab trail at about 12:30p. The NK is in awesome shape right now! No mules for over a week and the recent snow had melted leaving the trail moist enough to not be dusty but not too wet to be muddy. Perfect!

Picked up the Old Bright Angel Route (called "route" on the Nat Geo map) just next to the bridge south of the pumphouse caretaker's residence. Drinking water at the house was still on and should be on year-round. Found the OBA relatively easy to follow. Didn't absolutely need the GPS track but was nice to have anyway. Only a few trouble spots: 1.The only crossing of Bright Angel Creek. The crossing is well-cairned but the trail on the other side wasn't visible because of the reeds/joint grass. Also there's a false trail that continues beyond the crossing. I figured it out and only got one shoe wet. 2.Next was where the trail goes right up the middle of a dry side drainage into BA Creek (at about 6280'. This is the second side drainage you have to cross, the first had a little flow and the crossing is obvious). The trail is cairned but over-grown. Up to this point the trail is well worn so heading into this overgrown spot didn't feel right. It worked out though so I guess I just need to stay open minded. 3. The last few switchbacks near the top are very overgrown and covered with deadfall. The GPS came in handy here. Took the Ken Patrick trail back NK trailhead.

I have to agree with Joe as this is definitely a top 10 hike, especially with the foliage.

(I wonder if the OBA on the north rim should have a separate description as the south rim trail as they're not really connected?)

The North Rim entrance station was boarded up when we arrived Sunday morning. So free entry except for Arizona taxpayers. The cabins and lodge restaurant were open but will be closed for the season by today. The North Rim will remain open for day use (although I think you can still get a walk up site at the campground) until the snow becomes too much to plow. Or if the shutdown continues and AZ/Tusayan funding ends.
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Down Bright Angel to Plateau Point. Using info from Wayne Tomasi's book, I cut across the Tonto platform to Lone Pine Canyon (after first going down the wrong canyon and getting cliffed out) and down (maybe a few hundred yards) until the bottom of the Tapeats layer. Followed the Tapeats heading east, under Plateau Point and eventually meeting the BA trail again. Saw some ruins right before I hit BA. Also spotted a condor under PP. Lots of paw prints along the Tapeats route, small, maybe a bobcat?

Went down BA past the grotto and down the next long switchback. From there I picked up a section of the Old Bright Angel Trail and followed that up to the Tonto Trail. This section is shown on the Trails Illustrated maps but isn't always easy to follow. Disappears and re-appears several times but stays close to the creekbed. After a while I decided to climb up to the Tapeats layer where I found another trail and more ruins.

Followed the Tonto east to just shy of the South Kaibab Trail where I used sgtoddball's GPS track to get up on top of the Redwall, skipping the Kaibab switchbacks. I have to say from the bottom looking up, the route didn't look doable and looked like it was going to get scary near the top. However, once I got closer to the redwall everything worked out great. Only saw one person on the Kaibab Trail and a raven carrying a Chinese food box with his beak!

Perfect weather! The sun stays low this time of year and the south rim provided shade for most of the day. Drank 1.5 out of 5 liters
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So I'm getting ready for the trip to the North Rim and I'm looking for a decently hard hike that isn't on the North Kaibab trail. Not that NK isn't a perfectly decent trail, but all my time on backcountry routes of late has left me with a bit of distaste for the corridor routes. The North Rim doesn't have nearly the plethora of options that you get on the south, and many of the trails are only accessed by longish drives on dirt roads (which also wasn't appealing as Angela promised Tonto we'd keep him clean).

So this one pops up. Looks like fun. Clyde says he was hoping to check it out, too. Angela is keen at first, but reads herself into a corner and starts worrying about the elevation gain coming back. I mean, come on, it's the GRAND CANYON ;)

Finally, not wanting to hike on a little-traveled route alone and not having anyone else I trusted interested in the whole trail, I decided to let discretion be the better part of valor and I agreed to hike only to the top of the Redwall where the descriptions said we'd find a pouroff and good views.

Clyde knows me too well and warned me ahead of time that he wasn't going to be talked into 'just getting to the bottom of the Redwall'. Sigh.

We started out on an old road route that knocked a mile or two off the Ken Patrick part of the hike. Not only was this short cut convenient, but it was actually quite pretty. Walking along the old road alignment offered some interesting insights into how the vegetation has begun (or not begun) to reclaim the roadbed after 30 some years of it's disuse.

We made the Ken Patrick pretty quickly, and since we picked it up at a point beyond what we'd seen a couple days before, it made for interesting walking as well. Although we still could not see the canyon, the forest was pretty and the burned areas gave us plenty to look at with a great wildflower display.

Once we made it to the Old Bright Angel sign, we regrouped and Clyde put me out front. At first I was thrilled - I love route finding, and being in back I generally only get to route follow. However, it quickly became obvious that point was a good bit of work as I pushed through the thick oak growth and hacked through the tall weeds. Chris was right on my tail, which was nice because we got to talk and share adventure stories - but if stopped too short I got a bump :) Kept me going pretty quick.

I only lost the trail at one point, and we were only off for about 20 yards before I realized it and we backtracked to the right route. Otherwise I found the old track pretty easy to follow in general compared to other 'offtrail' routes I've followed in the area. The description was correct when it said that the area does not suffer from erosion as much as other trails, and with the dryness of the slope there wasn't the dense vegetation growth that might cover it. An experienced hiker should have no trouble following the top portion of the trail.

We made it to the pouroff at the top of the Redwall right on schedule and stopped for our lunch. Angela had put some awesome sandwiches together, and we feasted heartily. Good thing, too, because the way out was ALL UP! If pushing through the oak shrubbery was hard on the down hill, it was murder on the up. It almost felt as though the trail was rejecting our against-the-grain ascent.

I let the faster hikers go on ahead and Lori, Angela, Clyde and I hiked as a team. Although it felt a little slow, looking at the stats it didn't seem so bad. Angela was still in pretty good spirits when we reached 'the sign', which had been her motivational goal for the first couple of miles of the climb out. Once she got there, she took off like a rocket! I had to rein her in or risk getting myself left in the dust!

Just a little note: we didn't see signs of a single other human being the whole time we were on the Old BA. That right there makes it worth every bit of the trouble! The amazing views (better than you get on the NK) were a bonus!

I was pretty sure that we'd found our trail out at one point, and since it wasn't marked I convinced Clyde that it was right as well. We called back the rest of the group (who were just a little ahead) and we started through the forest on what we thought was the same old road we'd come in on. Instead, it was a different old road. Who'd have thunk that there'd be two nearly identical old roadbeds just waiting to fool unsuspecting hikers tired from the climb out? The nerve!

We were much too far in by the time we realized we were on the wrong route, turning back wasn't really an option. Daylight was fading and we were hungry and low on water (I was out of water - but more on that in a minute). Clyde was navigating using his new IPone app, and while I think it was pretty good, it didn't replace a GPS with our old track on it. Eugene had the track on his GPS, but wasn't really comfortable leading the group or relinquishing his unit. My GPS had run out of battery and died a ways back.

As we're wandering up and down these big forested hills, trying to follow the 'veer left, veer right' directions we were getting from Clyde (who was walking while watching his phone), I started to get that hint of anxiety that I get when I feel lost. When we stopped for the fourth or fifth time to get our bearings, I grabbed Angela's GPS, Scout, (with her blessing of course) and said "This way..." as I began to hike towards the cars. It's amazing how well people will follow you if you act like you know exactly what you're doing.

We followed a small gully to the main meadow we'd parked on, and in no time we were back at the cars where we had more water and relief for our tired feet. Angela was so glad to see the meadow that she re-named it Scout's Meadow - and I think it should stick.

So, I drank almost 4 liters of water on this 10 mile hike. True, it was warm, but hardly hot - uphill but not extreme - and tough but not ridiculous. I think I drink too much water, but I don't know how to reduce. I only drink when I feel thirsty, and I try to concentrate on taking small sips when I do. Needing 4 liters a day minimum is inconvenient when hiking multiple days under dry conditions, so it may be time for me to seek real help with this problem that most folks won't think is a problem...

Sigh. The hardships of backpacking ;)
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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Hiking10.80 Miles 2,914 AEG
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I get an email from Wendy: I want to try this (and she attaches the link to this trail). My initial reaction is, if you're willing to take me, I'm willing to go. Well after reading the trip reports on HAZ and elsewhere that answer changed to "Are you crazy?!" :wrt: :o . Two things made me leary: route finding and 3600 feet up at the end. I told her as much as I would love to I just couldn't do that. Nonetheless I printed out all the reports I could find (hoping I could dissuade her) and gave them to her when we got up to the N Rim for our 4 day camping/hiking trip with ABC.

I don't know when she changed her mind but she said, "How 'bout...." "we just hike 2 miles in to the first waterfall and back "making it a 10 mile or so hike". Well now THAT sounded much more reasonable though still difficult after not hiking for a few weeks. Clyde knew Wendy was interested in the hike so had scouted out a way to cut off 2 miles from the hike :) .

Monday morning, I made 3 sandwiches for Clyde, Wendy and me along with handing out huckleberry taffy. We rounded up some more folks to join us and drove on the Cape Royal road to a pull out by one of the signs. Clyde had found the old Bright Angel Road that would take us to the Ken Patrick and to the junction with the Old Bright Angel/Point Imperial Trails.

We made our way up the meadow and into the forest. It was a tad humid but not hot and since this was a new adventure, we were all excited and made good time. Chris ran point while Clyde swept keeping us inline per his GPS application. The road would fade out from time to time so this was necessary to make sure we would hook up with the Ken Patrick Trail. It was very cool to walk right into the trail. You hang a left and then go up a hill. Almost everyone remarked how we would look forward to going down this at the end.

We gradually made our way to the top of the Rim and across it through a burn area that was littered with pretty yellow flowers and other colorful flora from time to time :budrose: . We walked through a couple groves of very young aspen and a couple miles later, we arrived at the Junction. We all knew the next couple miles would be steep and hard as the trail was notorious for overgrowth. Clyde put Wendy at point :gun: to slow Chris down which was no easy task.

The overgrowth is pretty thick so at one area Wendy yelled back to make sure she was on track but honestly, at this point, there seemed very little choice. We started our way through the layers of rock and through the overgrowth. The coolest part was the Coconino Limestone :D layer but that was also the slipperiest section. Of course, I'm trying to take as much video as possible which isn't easy with these trail conditions.

We plowed through more overgrowth including small aspen and locust and such. At times I would turn around and Clyde was totally engulfed by the overgrowth. I got a little of it on film. We took a break not quite 1/2 way down. I think it was a little past here where Wendy realized she might be off trail. Per Clyde's GPS track she was off ;) , track that is. We could make out what looked like a trail just above us. The trail looks like it could go down here but it continues level.

I think it was after this section that we hit that cool red rock area that leveled out to slightly down hill for a short time. It was a really neat area and I enjoyed the lack of steepness for a short period of time. After this short break, it was more switchbacks through the next layer. Once again we had to get through the overgrowth which got particularly difficult the closer we got to the creek/waterfall area.

We almost slid down through some maples :) to the dry creek bed and then we meandered thru here to where it opens up to a nice view to the south of the canyon wall across the way. And of course, there's nothing more fun than hanging out at a dry waterfall :DANCE: . Would have been way cooler with water but it was still fun. We went west along the trail to a wall overlooking the waterfall for our well-earned lunch. We sat in the shade and rested for quite a bit before our long grueling hike out.

I hoped for some cloud cover and a breeze for our climb and I'd say for 80% of the time we got that. (I had this similar wish granted when we came out at Keet Seel). Lorie took the lead. I wasn't sure how that would go as I've never hiked with her until today but since she was a SAR girl, I had great confidence. She set an easy enough pace and let us catch our breath in the steeper parts. Two of the guys took off ahead; I doubted we would see them until the junction but lo and behold, we found them as we rounded up from a switchback. We had a snack here before continuing our tredge up the hill : rambo : .

Once again, I enjoyed going thru the wash-like section with the red rock even if it was on the uphill slant this time. I liked climbing through the layers as it provided short term goals. Wendy has an even cheerier outlook cuz instead of being only 1/2 way there, we're already 1/2 way done :A1: . She did that to me a couple times. I just kept saying in my head, it's only 2 1/2 miles total, this is nothing. Well that didn't quite work but it helped.

Needless to say, once we got to the junction I threw myself on the ground, something I don't recall doing in the past. I actually think I did pretty good for me and I was patting myself on the back by telling everyone so :lol: . I'm not sure how long the guys had waited but they and Lorie and Clyde wanted to take off without us. I asked them to wait 5 minutes but hurried to get myself back together and be on our way.

I must have really been feeling my oats as I was hiking so fast :sl: Wendy asked me to wait up. When she joined me, she was even a bit winded. I'm sure THAT will probably never happen again but I felt good :y: . So I slowed down a little, she eventually went ahead and I stayed back with Clyde. The light was really pretty on the Rim top and the temperature pleasant. Then we hit the hill and it was SUPPOSEDLY all down hill from there.

When it came time to turn off the main trail at the bottom of the hill, we weren't really quite sure where that was EXACTLY. We think we've found it and I think we did based on the route I posted. However, though it seemed we were on the old road, we weren't and we veered way too far east and ended up in a completely different canyon. We eventually realize we are off track but little did we know how much. And guess what? Of course we would have to climb up that hill :sweat: and hope that veering to the west we would be able to get back down to the meadow where we started.

After some serious discussion between some of the folks :-({|= , I handed Scout to Wendy and said I felt Scout could get us back :M2C: . I didn't want to add another GPS to the 3 that were already being used earlier :STP:. I also thot, we would get on track sooner than we did. Wendy took the lead and Chris more or less hiked ahead shortly after I fell :oops: going over a log. Well by this time, most of us are also out of water but lucky for us, we saw the meadow and 10 minutes later, we were back at the cars. Essentially we added a mile to our hike.

Bright Angel Canyon has a lot to offer and I wouldn't mind taking a stab at finishing the trek all the way to Roaring Springs but then I would rather continue down to Cottonwood Camp, hang out for the nite before completing the trip.

Here is the link to the videos Oh, may I suggest you change the quality on youtube to HD1080. You can find that setting next to the minutes just below the video screen (or next to the clock icon)

Part 1 - http://youtu.be/Ji4GOnOutR8
Part 2 - http://youtu.be/eipl0snYIY8
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A group of us stayed at Jacob's Lake lodge on Saturday night.

We started the hike at 6AM on Sunday. There's a new bathroom at the artist's house by the Bright Angel creek.
I went up the old Bright Angel Creek trail for about a half hour and came back. I caught up with the group at the Phantom Ranch. One of the guys had a great idea. Mike bought a bag of ice and we filled up our CamelBacks with it. It was wonderful having ice water on the climb up!
I took the black bridge to the River trail to Bright Angel. We regrouped at Indian Gardens. I hiked to the Plateau point and on the back went down the western Tonto trail. I really like the Tonto trail. The views are spectacular.

I came out the canyon at 5PM.
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Old Bright Angel TrailNorthwest, AZ
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I really like to go to the Grand Canyon this time of year and I successfully played the "find a cancellation sweepstakes" by getting a Frontier Cabin on the N. Rim for Sept 30 and a Phantom Ranch dorm spot for Oct 1. With these in hand my plan was to make the 2 day rim-to-rim more interesting by trying out the Old Bright Angel Trail which was recently documented by Joe and AZdesertfather. I knew this might be a stretch for me but with the GPS track loaded, how could I go wrong?

I got a 5:20AM start from the N.Kaibab Trailhead and I was glad to leave the crowd already gathered there. The GPS track led me in the right direction and the trail through the forest was wide. I came to an unmarked fork (straight or right), checked the GPS and saw the "correct route" (i.e. the Ken Patrick Trail) was 0.2 miles to my left. I continued straight and eventually hit the rim as it was getting light...I had apparently stayed on the Uncle Jim Trail, missing a turnoff in the dark. No real problem I just angled through the fairly open forest until I crossed Ken Patrick which is fairly faint. I hit the OBA sign, signaling time to descend, in one hour 50min, 4.7 circuitous miles.

The upper part of the OBA was a lot of fun as I wended through the forest. Having the GPS track was very handy for deciding which of two equally compelling (or confusing) directions I should take. As reported there is quite a bit of deadfall to contend with and one notable difference vs. the corridor trails is that there is negligible terracing, so my feet pounded the rocks and gravel pretty hard. If you normally lose X toenails on a GC trip expect to lose 2X.

Eventually I crossed a (dry) stream with the first significant cairnage. Perhaps this is where the first waterfall is? If so I missed it or it was dry. Eventually I hit a nice running stream...I think the 2nd waterfall is just downstream but I didn't notice it at the time...only when I looked over from further down the trail. The tip from AZdesertfather's log is useful in finding the trail as it crosses the stream, climbs the hill and heads left.

Continuing along I descended the canyon sidewall and hit the crux of the whole trip: what to do at Bright Angel Creek? It's well documented by the others that this is a riddle but even with their various descriptions AND the GPS track I was soon in trouble. The creek is fast moving and not easy to cross (particularly without poles or water shoes), but looking around after a while I found a place to cross. About this time I noticed even the GPS info didn't make sense. Joe's track look like it stayed west of the creek but I could see it was pinched by a cliff. My GPS was losing signal and giving a larger error circle. After scrambing up and down the steep east side a couple times I realized I didn't even know which side of the creek I should find the "very faint trail". Finally I saw the trail on the other side (west!) and headed over. But even when I got to that area I was getting more GPS confusion: first reading said I was above the previous track, but after descending, the next reading said I had really been below. I'm thinking my venerable Garmin 60C wasn't up to the task in the deep canyon. My only advice for the next guy is that not too far downstream from where you first hit the creek the desired trail is on the west (right) side and maybe 100' above the creek. I don't know if you get there via 0, 2, or 2n crossings.

All of this took me at least 90min with much clawing through the manzanita and steep scree - and I ran out of water just as I finally found the trail. I hadn't had anything to eat and I hadn't done much hiking all summer....and I just sort of crashed...I became Molasses Man.

From this point the trail is tricky and narrow but I was glad to finally be on my way out. After a while it descends to a final crossing...this one is fairly obvious, even the plants are beaten down. Of course one of those pretty Grand Canyon Pink rattlesnakes was lounging directly on the path about 3' from the creek. He moved aside, I sat on a rock in the middle, treated some water, and had some lucozade. I soon perked up and improved into "Runny Maple Syrup Man". The trail continues fairly high on the east side and is narrow and loose. I eventually passed high above the confluence with Roaring Springs and the pump house and continued along to the trail's end in dry Manzanita Creek and its intersection with the N.Kaibab Trail.

It took me 8:20....about 3 hours longer than those uber-hikers...sheesh. I'm physically beat and only ~9 miles to go to PR. I arrive in time for the late dinner...exactly 12hours after I began. My explanation to the other diners was that I had been wrestling with a mountain lion. Between my sore feet and my physical exertion hangover my trip up the Bright Angel the next morning is best forgotten. And oh yeah, I had a non-fixable flat tire in GC Village and drove back to Phoenix on a donut. 60mph on cruise control is actually therapeutic - people go by very fast - but you get great gas mileage. Today I couldn't really walk. Heckuva trip.
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