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Little Saddle Mountain Trail #244 - 31 members in 153 triplogs have rated this an average 3.3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Little Saddle Mountain Trail #244Phoenix, AZ
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CannondaleKidTriplogs 2,411
Hiking7.90 Miles 1,765 AEG
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A simple out-and-back from McFarland to the LSM/SM intersection.
Perfect weather for the hike... mid-50's to start topping out at 70.
A tiny trickle of water close to the trailhead, followed by pools of water every so often for the first mile or so. Met/passed no hikers while Northbound.

We stopped for a 15 minute lunch break about .5 mile Southbound at a drainage featuring multi-colored boulders to sit on. I thought of taking a photo or two of the boulders while sitting there but it was 1/2 mile later before I realized I forgot... Nope, not going back.
On the return leg I cast a glance in the direction of Lion Mountain, something on my to-do for over a dozen years, but for whatever reason it never made the do it now! list so it's likely not gonna happen. (I've perused enough triplogs/photosets it's almost like I've been there)

Met NOBO through hikers: A solo guy, a couple, another solo guy, two old farts, another older couple. The first guy was quite chill, the couple was almost chill, the second guy was NOT in a good mood, the old farts were enjoying it (after taking the weekend off in Phoenix and getting a ride to the LSM TH.) and the last couple was easy come easy go.

Between the old farts and the last couple we encountered 4 equestrians with 6 horses. They appeared to have stopped when they saw us coming at a spot we could easily pass the first 2 horses, but that was it. As we got to past the first two horses, we expected them to start moving again to get past us. But they just sat there, unmoving and saying nothing, so I started walking through a small gap in the holly until I would need to push through a dead/hanging branch of holly. I stopped, waiting for them to move but still nothing. So, I pushed through the holly and the horse started freak out bucking like crazy, but at least the gal was able to hang on. She said it was probably because of the mask on my face (my balaclava) but I've got news for her, I wasn't even looking in her direction so the horse could not see me. I'm almost positive the reason was because it sounded just like a rattlesnake when I pushed the branch away. And none of this drama would have transpired if the equestrians had simple ridden past us at the wide spot.

Whatever, we experienced no more drama for the rest of the hike... I'm pretty sure my mind wandered and my legs were in robot mode as I don't recall much over the last mile or so. But no matter, it was another great-to-be-outdoors day.

Surprisingly the Sunday noon traffic on Bush Highway was pretty chill this time.
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Started from Cross F trailhead and took the connector to the AZT then went north for about 3 miles and then headed back. Cleared one deadfall on the way back.
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Started from Cross F trailhead and took the connector to the AZT then went south to the creek crossing north of Rock Spring and then headed back. Did some brushing on way back.
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Coming up on a full decade since our one-and-only hike onto Black Ridge it seemed like a good time for a return trip. While the goal on the previous trip was actually the high point on the far SW end of Black Ridge (Peak 5047), we weren't prepared for the longer hike with an extra 1K of AEG so we stuck close to the hike as described.

(Oh yeah... Tracey was NOT about to sign on for the extra 3 miles of OFF-trail stuff it would take, due more likely to having been chased some distance by a huge gopher snake when we were on the push to the summit)

Ok, back to today...
Inventory at the TH:
Two vehicles & one fresh plastic bag of doggy-do within 10 feet of the TH gate. MAYBE they will take it home when they return??

Whatever, w began from the 'new' McFarland TH taking a left at the Sunflower/Little Saddle/AZT intersection, following it South until reaching the waypoint I had for the old ranchers trail, yup, from 10 years ago. And while there was a small haphazard cairn of sorts, there really wasn't any trail to be found. Eventually we just set off in the general direction of where it should be, but it would be more than 1/8 mile before we began to see an indication of 'something' passing this way, which was a faint crushing of grass. Only when we hit the first elevation gain did there appear to be an actual trail of sorts. I say 'of sorts' because for a significant portion of the hike to Brunson Tank the trail would fade, split or simply disappear, leaving us with a few times when we each went off to the side until one of us located what appeared to be 'the trail'.

On the last climb to Brunson Tank it appeared there were numerous well-traveled trails (at least by cattle) which left us wondering which to follow. By the end of the climb we had traversed parts of three separate trails, only one at any time seemed better than the others.

Finally, with Brunson Tank in sight we both came to the same downcast what a sight! conclusion. Unlike 10 years ago when it was a literal lake, this time Brunson was dry. A bit of roughed up dirt in the center, but none of it exhibited any moisture, and the rest was bone dry.

As we approached from the East we encountered found the remains of a fabric & folding-pole tent(?) at the edge of the tank. It was so decrepit it took us a moment to realize it was a hunting blind. Yup, right at the edge of the tank. ](*,)

While it was a little ahead of time for lunch, we found a few of the largest rocks on the West edge of the tank and took break. Good thing I ate most of my lunch as the next part would burn much more energy than expected for the 'downhill' portion of the hike.

Having read triplogs from the past few years I didn't expect the route down toward Upper Sheep Creek Spring to be that hard to follow. Similar to earlier in the hike, as soon as we hit a well-traveled cow path, it would split and/or disappear through thick/low brush necessitating more than a little thrashing through brush before locating another part of the trail.

Unfortunately, it appeared even the cows weren't sticking to the easiest route down. Even with a track to follow, there were times we were well off to one side or the other. Eventually we hit the 'bottom' and a bit of serendipity struck... since we had taken a side-trip off the AZT last year to locate Upper Sheep Creek Spring, things were familiar enough I no longer sought to follow the official Black Ridge Loop route. The few times I checked to see how close the routes were, I liked our route deviations better. For the last part of our climb to reach the AZT we purposely stayed away from the official route, and following the route we took last year was almost a breeze.

Once on the AZT for the return leg, with no need for route-finding I pretty much went into self-driving mode... my legs knew what to do so I let them do whatever they wished. There were a few trickles of water here and there but not enough to dampen more than the bottom of our footgear.
We both noticed a tree we had to step over last year that had been cut recently, so along with the fresh erosion control we were appreciative of the trail maintenance.

The only downer of sorts was the bag of doggy-do... It was STILL THERE!
Both vehicles which there before were gone. I guess nobody wants to drive their doggy-do 50 miles back home when they could just leave it??
Why didn't they just kick the doggy-do off to the side of the trail, next to the coyote scat and nobody would be the wiser?
Can't get no respect anymore.
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A group of us came in on the connector trail from Cross F TH. Just above the junction with the AZT there was a steep, rocky and veed slope. We built steps using large rocks and tree logs to improve the tread. After the tread work we brushed trail south to FR 393.
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A group of us started from Cross F trailhead and did tread work (cleared rocks, built drains) and cleared one leaner. Saw 2 hikers and 2 hunters.
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Little Saddle Mountain Trail #244Phoenix, AZ
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Kyle messaged me asking if I wanted to hit up Lion Mountain, and while intriguing on the surface, I pushed for another nearby option to continue my quest to never complete any single segment of the AZT. Mission accomplished!

LSM was somehow all new territory for me, and an unexpected gem that has amazingly mostly survived the fires that have blasted through here in the past two decades. There was a surprising and pleasant flow in the unnamed creek that the trail follows for the first two miles. Odd that a perennial stream in this state doesn't have a name. But this is definitely an enjoyable stretch of trail and the highlight on the day.

It was 57 degrees at the Mt. Ord 87 junction on the drive in, and 29 at the trailhead -- two miles away :o . The rest of the day was generally in the 50s, with some warmer stretches of sunshine and seasonally cool breezes. It's dry out here as it is elsewhere, but not nearly as dry as other areas I've been in the past month or two, which was pleasant to see. Plants even looked sort of alive.

We made our way to the patch, unfortunately coming up empty for potatoes. The return was breezier but the downhill goes quickly and we made good time back to the Cross F trailhead. I don't believe I've been down this road since the new highway opened in ~1999? :o

* I added a mile or two and a few thousand feet to my stats. For my fans.
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A group of us cleared 2 leaners and 2 deadfall from the trail. Started from Cross F trailhead. Saw 3 hikers and 2 equestrians.
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Started at 4:52am
It officially got cold passing Thicket Spring turnoff. Based on the darkness I figured a new moon. We followed Copper Camp where I missed the turn weeks ago. With a preoccupied mind pondering avenues for recoding RS in my spare time along with MapDEX, like hunters destroying the forum & five days of demeaning joy, I questioned the turn. It didn't take long for us to miss another slight turn but we figured it out soon after.

8.03mi - 7:57am | 3h 5m
Off-trail, beating schedule.

I loaded up on water and added a Chocolate Coconut Luna Bar to the minimal mix. It was unexpectedly delicious and little did I know I was in close ties with a Clif relative... lol

10.54mi - 9:43am | 4h 51m
On Dream Ridge, inspiring progress. I switched wardrobes. We cleared the chalk band as I did weeks ago. We started hooking around the rock blob band. At 11.17mi John jigged instead of jagging. I mentioned this mini subtle ridge earlier, so I didn't object. Yet I should have when he opted for the shortest distance between two points. What looked like 20 feet of nuisance scree was 0.2 mi. My 3-pt contact/balance slowed to a crawl.

11.51mi - 12:04pm
I reached Lion where John had been for the past day or 15min, remarkably deciphering surrounding peaks. Enjoyed a long lunch. Then headed to 4570. Babbling returning to the descent, I missed the turn to pad our stats another 0.2mi. 23min quicker descending than my previous because John navigated so I could keep my good right hand free.

13.59mi - 3:48pm | 10h 56m
Stepped into the South Fork of Sheep Creek. A sprinkle on a minimal cloud day escalated to a short soaking. We got out and skirted the creek on a game trail where it was to our advantage. Then back down to the known good pool and John pumped water... smarter than my carry the weight option.

The creek had a light flow vs occasional pools on my previous recent hikes. Despite never slipping or falling, I turned the tables on being way ahead of schedule and John offered to carry my pack. A new pool from recent moisture put a thorn in staying dry.

John scrambled up the right. I disagreed but held my tongue because the dude was carrying my pack and cutting a path up a 40° slope for an idiot who couldn't use either hand. John was excited to find a game trail. I knew it wouldn't pan out but it quickly deciphered what needed to be corrected. I've never driven and been correct about something so I was on cloud nine.

Backtracked and walked through the inevitable pool(72.4° left/ 90° right) getting the turn into Tournament Creek.

4:12 Up Up & Away
I waited at the precarious cactus scramble for John to yipper barefoot through the creek and let him take out some anger on the cactus. Bonus time dwindled to even. My state was making progress 3-5 times slower.

5:30pm Base of 4642
John went above and beyond, carrying my pack, and navigating out. In addition, he steadied my steps up the 1h 8m 400 ascent of 4642. Heading over to Chalk it was easy to see when Fountain Hills was in view due to the sliver moon, so we sent out still-alive messages when a signal surfaced.

Chalk and Marion continued their previous beats of wreaking havoc. John clipped Chalk so scratch that off no reason to return.

9:35pm Trail!
Despite a horrible fall risk and impossible to match the opening 18.5,17.3,16.3(AYFKM),18.3-minute miles, I led as fast as I could. Reviewing splits, still slow...lol

Synopsis
It was great to meet John and I am grateful for his above and beyond help in a bad situation. Several of the early-mile past-hike stories had funny transitions as the day progressed. My favorite was when John asked, so how does this hike rank on memorable hikes?

Be careful, it's a jungle out there.
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Synopsis: The Dislocation Debacle (TL;DR Version)
Hiked with @joebartels for the first time on the Lion Mountain/Copper loop that he completed last month. Planned on a 10-12 hour hike, first portion was relatively smooth sailing up to 4608, across the ridge to 4570, and back down the mountain. Second portion less smooth: storm passed through and drenched us, Joe dislocated his shoulder and couldn't get it popped back in, I accidentally discharged some bear spray, we missed a key turn to leave the creek bed, then had a slow hike out in the dark that finally ended after midnight, missing our 10-12 hour target by an hour...or eight.

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Well, that didn't go as expected...this was my first time meeting and hiking with Joe, and what we'd optimistically hoped would be a 10 to 12-hour day took over 19 hours. I'd had Lion Mountain on my list for a while, and Joe can't seem to stay away after two trips in November :). When he posted plans for a return trip on HAZ, I was in. He completed this loop solo in ~14 hours a few weeks ago [ photoset ] , and we figured with his knowledge of the route and two of us navigating, we could shave a few hours off that.

We left the valley at ~3AM and took off from Mormon Grove Trailhead just before 5AM with our headlamps on and clear, starry skies overhead. We cruised through the early miles and were around to the northwest side of Saddle Mountain on Copper Camp Trail for the sunrise, then Lion Mountain came into view a little farther along as the peak got hit with the first sunlight of the morning.

We left the trail after ~8.5 miles and started working our way down among the drainages into a new area of the Mazatzals for me, one with geology that reminded me of parts of the Superstitions. Joe and I took a break at the base of Lion Mountain and ate a snack before we started the ascent, and at that point we were a few hours ahead of Joe's previous time, having also started earlier than he did last time.

Dream Ridge had two cliff bands to navigate, a lighter lower one and a darker upper band, but there was only one spot that required a minor scramble, and we stayed left of both bands and made good progress despite the steep grade. Closer to the ridgeline, I made a regrettable route choice and took a more direct route at the peak than Joe's 11/13 route. Shorter distance-wise, but that took us through a lot of steep, loose scree and ultimately slowed us both down. Still, we reached the top of Lion around noon.

There was a large cairn on top, but no summit register that we found. We spent ~40 minutes on top eating lunch and enjoying the awesome panoramic views--Bartlett and Horseshoe are both visible, many of the Mazatzal landmarks (Saddle, Peeley, Sheep, Catherine, Davenport, etc.), Four Peaks, Ord, SB, the Superstition Ridgeline, Weaver's Needle, Red Mountain, and more. Some clouds started to gather, and it looked like rain was falling to the north, but the forecast that morning had said clear skies.

Lion 4608: [ youtube video ]

We followed Lion Ridge over to Peak 4570...nice views, but the peak isn't as prominent as 4608, and it's not immediately obvious where the high point is [ youtube video ] . From there, we dropped down the ravine on the southeast side of the mountain. No major obstacles there, but slow going with steep terrain and lots of cactus, loose rock, and some brush. Clouds gathered and started sprinkling on us as we got to the creek bed at the bottom, and then it poured as we approached the South Fork of Sheep Creek, soaking us pretty good with 6+ miles to go. Fortunately, the heavy rain only lasted a few minutes.

We still had a shot at making it out around sunset, but the wheels came off as we approached the confluence of Tournament Creek/Sheep Creek. There was water in the creek bed in areas it had been dry for Joe on his 11/13 loop, so we had a few minor creek crossings to deal with. One spot had a tricky, uneven landing spot on the far side, and Joe asked for a hand for stability as he crossed. I took his right hand and pulled as he stepped across, and he went down: dislocated shoulder. Excruciating pain.

He spent some time trying to pop it back in and had me push and pull at different angles, but it wasn't going back in. We still had 4-5 miles to go, most of it off-trail, and Joe was in extreme pain and had no good arms with plenty of scrambling and rough/brushy terrain between us and the trailhead. But he felt like if we could get out of the creek bed, he'd be able to make it out.

With water in the creek that would require wading to reach our exit point, I scrambled up the south bank to scout out a possible shortcut and thought I found one. With a lot of pain, effort, and scratches, Joe was able to join me up on south bank of the creek, but something didn't look right. As the sun set, Joe realized we were heading down Sheep Creek when our exit point out of the creek bed was on the side opposite us, starting up Tournament Creek...the HAZ topo map in that part of the Mazatzals is shifted ~210', which added to the confusion when we were studying Route Scout. We'd just wasted a lot of time and effort climbing up that bank and would have to backtrack.

I had my backpack on and Joe's pack slung over my shoulder...in hindsight, a little too close to a cannister of bear spray on my belt. When I stumbled into some brush, his pack knocked the safety clip off the bear spray, and it discharged. Luckily, it sprayed directly into my side, and we only got a whiff of spray with no ill effects, but I had a burning sensation on my skin for the rest of the night. I didn't realize it until later, but somewhere in the darkness and chaos around there, I also lost a pair of sunglasses.

We regrouped, pulled out the headlamps, and worked our way slowly back down the rocky bank, waded east, and Joe found the correct exit point from Tournament Creek. I helped brace him and support his weight so he could avoid putting pressure on the dislocated shoulder as we climbed up a short wall, and we worked our way up the 100' ascent out of the creek and continued east. We settled into our rhythm for the next few hours: Joe took the lead, I brought up the rear with the packs on my back and both our phones out, plugged into portable chargers, navigating with Route Scout and directing Joe while trying not to snag phone cords on brush in the dark.

Before the next big obstacle, we had cell reception and sent some "don't send S&R" texts to people back home. Then we tackled the 400' climb up to 4642, which took over an hour to cover the steep, loose ~0.25-mile. We went up side-by-side, one step at a time with me bracing Joe under his left arm and taking careful steps to make sure we both stayed upright. It was a relief to get that one behind us, then we had a major brush battle and some navigation challenges getting around Chalk Spring, and the clippers came out again as we pushed/cut through some thick areas.

We finally had some easier hiking as we picked up horse trail near Marion Spring and eventually connected with Little Saddle Mountain Trail to complete our loop, back at Joe's truck just after midnight. After a few more unsuccessful attempts to pop Joe's shoulder back in, we started the drive, with Joe still in agony. When we arrived back in the valley ~2AM, I'd been awake for more than 24 hours straight.

Not the experience I'd imagined for my first hike with Joe--I didn't expect we'd both set personal records for longest day-hikes and that I'd literally spend the entire day with him :). But I was happy we were able to get ourselves out and tremendously impressed that Joe finished the loop with a dislocated shoulder in that terrain in the dark : rambo : . It's a beautiful area and a day I'm sure we'll never forget, even if there are parts we'd like to :). Great meeting Joe and a huge thank you for organizing the hike and doing the hard work establishing the route last month. Despite the obvious setbacks, I enjoyed the day!
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First time to this trail. Very enjoyable! The weather was perfect with lots of clouds and occasional sun. Lots of good fall color, and still a few wildflowers here and there. Trail was well maintained as expected for the AZT. Saw one solo hiker and a group of three. Did this hike was with a group of friends. Perfect Saturday excursion! 😁
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Areas of lots of trees showing their autumn finest golden colors!
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Copper Lion Loop, AZ 
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Hiking19.41 Miles 5,215 AEG
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There were only two or three campers on the drive-in and nobody at the trailhead. Started at 5:41 a.m. with a shooting star. A little into the hike, Fountain Hills illuminates the skyline. Perhaps the Payson lights can be seen from the north end of the wilderness. A mile in it started to get light.

My squeeze valve was leaking, so I was drinking as much as possible early on. Hydration would be key today with a slight fever and a sore throat. Having worked every breathing moment since the last hike I neglected to get a few things done like getting the foxtails out of my shoes... Lol

Sheep Creek Trail
This trail is well maintained in the upper former AZT portion. Approaching Thicket Spring Trail, Sheep is a small group of unburned tall pines. I thought wow, what a nice camping area until I realized the insulation layer harbored deep freeze temps. Shortly after Thicket Spring Trail, Sheep was more the type of trail I anticipated being on.

A few Hank-Bruce waypoints would'a been wise in hindsight. I went off-trail way too early, picking up a bonus gladiator round with locust. Rookie mistake, I was only 2.2 mi from the actual off-trail... Lol Copper Camp Loop Trail resembles the Audubon once you pay attention.

Evidence of well-fed bears. Viewing my loop as a clock, notably from 5-7 & 10-12.

Approaching the turn-off, I was getting bummed because I thought I was too low on water and would have to abort. Stopping to check, I had plenty and life was good. 2 minutes later, backing up to frame a Lion photo I fell. My left thigh met a rock. Albeit painful it just made sitting awkward/undesirable (I wasn't planning on sitting around).

Off-trail
Turned down off of the theoretical Copper Camp Trail at 9:52. Luckily, I planned where it mattered. The finger ridges may seem easy from a birds-eye-view but dodging the undesirables sooner than later saves resources.

South Fork Sheep Creek
Made it down to the creek. With the grapefruit on my thigh and two new blood-sprinklers tourniqueted with sun sleeves, I contemplated skipping the goal, walking the creek, and turning in my man card. Took some Advil and baby steps up Dream Ridge. Extending my left leg or pushing hard was no bueno. Since the right knee can not handle much fun I took baby steps and laughed at myself.

Dream Ridge
What should have taken me 35 minutes, took 97. Two bands are encountered heading up. The first is chalk or such and the second is slower weathering blobs of rock. A well-balanced hiker with a good pair of hands might get through both. I dodged both hooking left. It's an average 45° grade for the main leg, so I would rather ascend.

Lion Mountain 4608
The views from 4570 last week were pretty good but I needed to evaluate the feasibility of other ideas. Strong 4G like 4570. 25 minutes to evaluate, start lunch, and let someone have a clue where I was if things didn't pan out. That's step one if you do them in order. Parted ways @ 2 PM.

Lion Ridge
It's pretty easy but it's not a relaxing stroll. I had two options to get down. The subway route I took last week is guaranteed but I wanted to try the Southwest Ravine to save ground.

Southwest Ravine
It might work all the way up but there is a band at the top I didn't have time to explore. In favor of higher odds, I hooked it early where it was easy to drop. No biggie but more cactus and brush to dodge than Dream Ridge. Albeit less steep at an average 40° grade, I had to glissade two 15-20 ft runs.

Return
Same as last week. Minus two reassurance sips and a Monster Pipeline, I was out of water with 6 to go. The difference is that I was well-hydrated up to this point. South Fork Sheep Creek > skirt high on the north > drop back down before Tournament > a few paces into Tournament scramble the wall with the precarious cactus... those are key. The last glow of daylight fizzled out on the 400 ft ascent up 4642. Enjoyed the Pipeline. My only concern was Marion. If things went awry, I would just go west no matter what. Chalk hassled me a little then I walked through Marion without blinking.
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Saddle Mountain - AZT #22Phoenix, AZ
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Wally and I started from the Cross F TH a little after 6:30am. We hiked down to where we left off in May '23, which was only a half mile from the junction with Little Saddle. Then we headed back north and hiked just to just beyond the Potato Patch. We took the trail to the Potato Patch and checked that out. Looks like it would be a nice camping area.

Weather was pretty cold to start, very windy at the TH. Once we were moving, it was comfortable. The sun got things even warmer once it hit, but I was still able to keep my sweatshirt on the entire time. Very sunny the whole time, which made for decent pictures.

Saw 3 other hikers total, all southbound, all backpackers. No wildlife.

Checked the route with the one from a hike 15+ years ago and it looks like one area was rerouted just a bit, so redoing this area was worth it to keep up to date.
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Another small section of the AZT. It was cool at the trailhead with the breeze but nice on the trail. The AZT is generally well groomed so a nice break from off trail scrambles. The slopes were easy and the views are nice. There was water along the way and a few backpackers hiking down the trail. A nice day out.
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Little Saddle Mountain Trail #244Phoenix, AZ
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Camped overnight above the trail parking. Upper 60's overnight on the ridge above the valley. It was surprisingly almost 20 degrees colder in the low valley areas. Thermometer read 51 degrees at the start of the trail. Hiked up to the power line service road and then north on the AZ trail to begin the hike. Area was a little dryer than I expected but there is still water available in the creek at spots. Saw bear scat and paw prints near the creek. Creek was flowing about a gallon per minute, more in some spots.
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AZT #22 Cross F to Upper Sheep Creek, AZ 
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CannondaleKidTriplogs 2,411
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Lately we've catching up on various re-routes of the Arizona Trail, so having done an out-and-back hike three weeks ago from Sunflower to Forest Road #393 on AZT #22 this was an easy choice. Although we wouldn't pick up where we left off at Forest Road #393, we had never begun a hike at the updated Cross F trailhead parking lot so we would experience another re-route while connecting with the trail.

When we hit the trail at 8 am there were only two other vehicles in the lot, both with horse trailers. The first 500' of travel will bring us to the point where the 'old' McFarland Trail came in from old Sunflower Highway.

Before we would connect with the actual AZT #22 roughly a half-mile out we first would have to pass by a large black bull, mere feet of one side of the trail. Tracey was a bit concerned as the bull seemed to be groaning in anguish, maybe cast off by a prospective partner?? Whatever, it didn't appear to react negatively as I approached so I just walked on by, urging Tracey to do the same. No big deal, and danger averted.

In the eleven years since my first Little Saddle Trail hike (To bag Peak 5159) every trip since had followed a slightly different route, and this would add another variation. Although there was practically no general flow, there was standing water at everyone of the numerous creek crossings.

When we passed the Mazatzal Wilderness sign, it brought back memories from October 2015. I was hiking with Courtney, an Australian gal for whom I provided transportation from Phoenix to Sunflower. I remembered the exact spot where we met a Southbound couple from England, where I would bid Courtney good-bye and safe travels, then accompany the couple hike on the hike back to Sunflower, where they had support. As back then, I thought was nice to meet folks from practically polar opposite sides of the world.

Ok, enough reminiscing, let's move on.
Just a bit farther, as we climbed a short, but what would be the steepest slope of the hike, we caught up to an elderly couple (probably between Tracey's and my age, so no negative connotation there) who were through-hiking the AZT. We chatted just long enough for Tracey to share relatively current information about campsites along the Mazatzal Divide, as well as to quell our curiosity hear about why the man was wearing leg/knee braces. Turns out he's been bow-legged all his life and now requires them for added support. Just another case where aids like braces and trekking poles are a proven value. And yes, through-hiking the AZT, way to go man!

Continuing on...
From that point until the Little Saddle/Saddle Mountain Trails junction the only thing we noted was a large rock cairn just above Upper Sheep Creek, and looking down we could make out what used to be some kind of road or wagon trail? Something to check out on the return trip?

We made a quick about-face at the Little Saddle/Saddle Mountain AZT sign and stopped for short lunch break a few hundred yards South in a small shady grove. Quick stop over, we headed back. Less than a half-mile later we met the elderly couple and wished them well as we passed by.

Another half-mile and we met the only other hiker we'd encounter on the day. A young guy, maybe late 20', was just doing what we were, an out-and-back day hike. For items of interest we mentioned the large cairn and our plan to see where the old road went.

Soon we reached the rock cairn and headed off on an adventure to the unknown. It began as what many decades ago was a road, it appeared to die out in an area of what looked like possible mine tailings. However, after a quick perusal of the area, we located a trail of sorts. Initially we thought it was just a game trail, but it soon turned out to have relatively recent use as a cowpath. Although I heard nothing audible, I could almost 'hear' Tracey's internal grumbling about all those damn fox-tails!

Taking a quick look at the area on my phone it appeared the cowpath was leading us to Upper Sheep Creek Spring. When we reached the supposed exact location, it was dry as a bone. Thinking, this doesn't look anything like where there should be a spring, we glanced around, and maybe 500' downstream (very dry stream, that is) Tracey saw a tall Sycamore tree, so maybe the spring is not as shown on the map? That part of the creek was pretty nasty, with large boulders acting as obstacles to our route. As we closed in on the Sycamore, although we encountered a few pools we saw nothing like a spring, and this was now a simple a waste of time and energy. Ok, we're done here.

Heading back through the fox-tails I still heard nothing audible from Tracey so I figured I'm off the hook for taking her on this fiasco of a side-trip... but then again, she was the one with the urge to see what was over the hill so it's all good.

Just as we returned to the AZT at the large rock cairn, here comes the young guy we met earlier. since it was obvious he would be hiking faster than us, we waited for him to pass. From that point the hike was just a re-run of the earlier creek crossings but for the change of direction. When I saw the old bull again it had lain down under a tree, facing away from the trail. As I passed he made no note of my passing, but not so for Tracey... he stood up and turned around, as if to cast an evil eye in Tracey's direction, but there was no drama to be found and it was a all good.

Almost forgot... on the trip North, we found a horse hoof 'bootie' and wondered if we'd encounter any equestrians with a bootie-less horse. We did not, so on the return trip we picked it up, with the intention of hanging it somewhere at the trailhead for it to be claimed. As we approached the trailhead we saw two equestrians coming back along Forest Road #393. So with only one horse trailer still in the lot, I hung the bootie on a post near the trailer, just in case it was theirs.

It was getting a bit warm at the end so I guess the next hike might have to be at a higher altitude... like somewhere in the Sierra Ancha, as long as we can avoid the soon-to-begin full-closures on the US 60 East of Superior. Either skip Tuesdays through Thursdays, or pass by earlier than 9 am and return later than 2 pm it won't be that big a deal once the closures begin.
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Had the opportunity to knock off another passage on the AZT, which means I'm officially halfway done... Was worried about heat with a 10:30am start, but there was a breeze in the open areas, and occasional cloud cover, so it turned out not to be too bad (and at times, borderline chilly). The first 4-5 miles were kinda meh; everything between Lone Pine Saddle and Cross F is probably one-and-done for me. After Cross F, the climb up the canyon (can't find a name for this creek on the maps) was nice, and there was intermittent water, which I used to douse myself a couple of times. In the upper part of the canyon, I had to squeeze by a couple of horses; apparently one of them had fallen off the trail and slid a ways, but was unharmed. I told owners of said horse that I hoped the rest of their day goes much better.

Once up to the Mormon Grove turn, it was back to familiar territory. I love the views up there. Took a 15 minute or so break at McFarland, where the water was clear, cool, and tasty. One of my favorite spots in the Mazatzals.

The last couple of climbs got a little old. It's obvious motorcyclists have been using the trail between Cornucopia and Peeley, and they've even been kind enough to start cutting a switchback or two. Hopefully the FS is on it, but I doubt it.

Almost a mile from Peeley TH, I ran into my friends, who had a beverage for me. That was a nice surprise. Hung out at the TH for an hour or so, where the gnats were insane and it actually started getting nice and cool.
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This trip was more camping than hiking but made it a little ways up the trail + a little off trail exploring. Plenty of water in the streams and lots of green grass. Overnight lows in the upper 40s to low 50s, 82 degrees when I left at 1:30. Car said 100 degrees when I got back to Phx.
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Gathered a Meetup group for an 8:30 carpool. This allowed for a 10am hike start. Received some comments bout the sun and elev gain but they hung through it. Pretty trail altho it should be noted that it is 4 miles one way.

After the jct. amazing views open up. Hiked much of Saddle Mtn but not in it's entirety. Made for a reasonable day hike. Strong group, couldn't keep up with some of them on the way back. Few of us out to eat in Scottsdale afterward.
 
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Saddle Mountain - AZT #22Phoenix, AZ
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Two groups left Mormon Grove TH. One group worked north of the junction with the AZT and one worked south. The south group cleared 4 deadfall and built/cleared a few drains. Saw one runner (Peeley to Sunflower) and one thru hiker.
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