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Four Peaks Trail #130 - 23 members in 75 triplogs have rated this an average 3.5 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Brown's PeakPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking6.04 Miles 2,109 AEG
Hiking6.04 Miles   5 Hrs   58 Mns   1.40 mph
2,109 ft AEG   1 Hour   39 Mns Break
 
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My alarm went off far too early for my liking after not being able to get to sleep until extremely late the night before thanks to some ongoing struggles with insomnia. Headed out to the meet up spot, greeting the sun as we left the valley.

We headed out towards the four peaks, opting for the longer but significantly smoother approach via Punkin Center and El Oso Road. The road had some rocky bits, but was smooth enough to navigate. As we climbed, we had some nice views of the American Tower Corp microwave antennas and of Roosevelt lake in the distance. There were a number of vehicles that passed us heading out, and we saw a few folk camping on the way to the trailhead.

The trailhead itself was empty save for a large mud puddle. We pulled our gear together and headed off up the Browns Trail to temps in the mid to upper 70s with some stickiness and haze due to high humidity. The trail is nicely graded with a few deadfall that can be easily stepped over. We made it up to the saddle, where we took a brief break enjoying the views of the peaks, with the Superstitions and the various salt river lakes in the distance. Eyeballing the path ahead, I mused that the chute looked larger than I had anticipated.

The initial approach from the saddle was easy enough to negotiate, but soon enough, both hands were needed to assist in the upward scramble. At that point, I realized I probably should have grabbed one of my other trekking poles - and not the one I usually carry since the lower section of my regular carry can no longer be easily collapsed. While I was able to stow it, it was long enough to occasionally catch on nearby shrubs or overhanging rock. In hindsight, I probably should have simply left it trailside to pick back up on my way down.

As we climbed steadily upward, we heard some voices - and eventually we saw three people gain the saddle. The scramble up the chute wasn't too awful, plenty of hand and footholds to be had where it mattered. Wasn't thrilled with the loose scree, and made sure to be mindful of separation and position in case a rock came tumbling down. Interestingly, someone must have gotten bloodied on their adventure as there were fairly regular blood droplets present the entire way up.

Once we hit the top, we sat for a bit to enjoy the views. I tried unsuccessfully to capture photos of a number of scrub jays that were doing flybys. Was hoping to be able to catch a photo of the Superstition Ridgeline between Brother and Sister Peaks, but alas, without a drone assist, I don't think it would be possible to get the shot I was hoping for. It was nice to enjoy the peak with some solitude and were happy to wait at the top for the three people from below to make it up before making our way back down.

The descent of the chute was possibly slower than the ascent - though it passed by uneventfully. My knees were happy that I decided to get my trekking pole back out once I got past the most steep portion of the descent - the noises they were making as I crouched down to steady myself were slightly alarming. We made good time to the junction with the Amethyst trail...where things slowed back down a bit. Amethyst peels off down the mountainside at a steeper grade and is littered with loose rocks in the upper portion. The trail was fairly easy to follow - when things started getting narrower, there were regularly placed cairns to mark the way. Just as I was begining to wonder how much further we had to go, we arrived at the junction with the Four Peaks Trail, which was an easy cruise back to the car.

The day had warmed up quite a bit (mid to upper 80s when we got back to the parking lot), and I was glad to be able to clean up some before the drive home. The lot had three additional vehicles when we got back - one couple looked like they were simply enjoying the views from the trailhead. One car belonged to the trio that we saw on Brown's Peak, and we never saw whoever was with the other vehicle.

Wildlife: some butterflies, plenty of lizards, numerous stellar jays and other birds, and a canyon tree frog!

While I definitely feel like I got a full body workout (hooray for delayed onset muscle soreness), I was glad to have done it. Thanks for the invite and for driving, B!
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Brown's PeakPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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VashtiTriplogs 284
Hiking5.68 Miles 2,077 AEG
Hiking5.68 Miles   5 Hrs   57 Mns   1.32 mph
2,077 ft AEG   1 Hour   39 Mns Break
 
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Well, that was an adventure! I've wanted to hike browns peak forever, and I have just never managed to get the stars aligned so that I could get out there. My coworkers hiked it last weekend, and I was jealous. 🤣🤣 I had a free weekend and made plans to go!
I don't love the 4WD road up 4 peaks, so I decided to give El Oso road a go. Best decision ever!! So glad to have a smooth, relatively people-free ride up to the trailhead. Really, the road was such a dream. I'm glad I took a 4wd drive, high clearance car for the rockiness and steepness, but overall the road was smooth. The time penalty was plus 15 minutes to take this long way around. Definitely worth it!

We arrived at the Trailhead without incident to no cars in the lot and started off. Based on triplogs, we decided to go counter clockwise to avoid going up amethyst trail. This was also 100 percent the way to go. Browns Trail is beautiful up to the saddle. Smooth sailing. Morning was warm but still nice. The gentle grade is easy to manage.

We passed the amethyst junction and saw the rocky goodness that we would be descending on our way back, yippee! 🤣. We stopped for a quick snack break at the saddle before heading up. The views at the saddle are nice, and the view of the chute is daunting. It was a bit warm at the saddle as there was no surprisingly no breeze.

The first part up was uneventful. Before too long, I stowed my hiking sticks to allow my hands to be free for clamoring upwards. Our first obstacle was up an over a large boulder enroute to the chute proper start. After going over, I saw there was an easier, no exposure way around it that I hadn't spotted going the other direction. Cest la vie. I took the easy way on the way back. 🤣 There are some nice wildflowers in this nice small shady area before the rock chute begins.

At the bottom of the chute looking up, it looked better than from the saddle. To me, anyway. It didn't look fun, but that's the price to pay to get up there 🤣🤣 No real problems until near the very top, just slow and steady going up. Near the top there was a section where a slightly larger round rock overhang. I felt not great about being able to go down after ascending. We had a discussion about it.,but turning around less than 300 feet from the top of the chute is a sad story. I climbed up and kept going. The top of the chute was steep and loose, as expected. Then came the last bit to the top, which after the chute was no problem.

The view from the top was breathtaking. The 360 views were worth the trek up. We sat up there a while to bask in the views.

We had the summit to ourselves, but we knew people were coming. We saw only one group of 3 hikers all day. Halfway up the chute, we saw them arrive at the saddle. When we departed the summit, we passed them going the other direction and had a friendly chat. We discussed the blood droplets (!) on the rocks, as they asked us if we were bleeding (Thankfully, we were not!).

We headed back down, and then in a few minutes we were at the top of the chute looking down. Delightful. Well... Here we go, down down down. It was actually pretty smooth going. I went down the spot that I was worried about going up with absolutely no issues. Funny how that works. Really nothing of note to add. Just a long way down, but nothing unexpected. My quads,knees, and palms of my hands were happy when it was over. 🤣

We headed the easy way around around the large boulder obstacle, and headed down the last decent to the saddle. I took my poles back out on this section, and it was so nice to have them to use! 🤣

No stop at the saddle this time, instead we cruised down amethyst. This wasn't horrible, but not super fun. It's rocky and steeper than browns as we knew it would be. A lot of trail maintenance was done near the upper junction, but over time the trail gets narrower with encroaching manzanita. Still relatively easy to follow despite a number of what appear to be other trails branching off here and there. There are also a lot of cairns around, along with well-placed branches telling you don't go this way. After a seemingly interminable down, I was happy to reach the 4 peaks trail junction. It was easy walking back to the trailhead. The landscape changes to pine trees, oaks, and very large boulders.

We arrived back to 4 cars in the lot. 2 people were just taking in The views before driving off, so it looks like we missed seeing one group.

The drive down El Oso was smooth. We saw one car parked at the hairpin turn with the loop on it. That was it, we passed no one else. This in contrast on the way up where we passed 2 cars going down on our initial ascent, then no one until we saw a few cars with camps set up at the top. We paused at the pigeon springs trailhead on the way in, and 4 cars passed us by. So not no people all day, but overall not too bad. The drive back to town was uneventful.

I had fun on this hike despite it being relentless sometimes in the chute, as I figured it would be. A day well spent on a hiking adventure! 😁
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chumleyTriplogs 2,011
Hiking7.37 Miles 2,819 AEG
Hiking7.37 Miles   5 Hrs   12 Mns   1.64 mph
2,819 ft AEG      43 Mns Break
 
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Is it even possible that I haven't been on Browns in a decade!? :o I know I hadn't been up since the Bush Fire, but that's only half the elapsed deficit. Oh well.

I set out to summit Browns, but didn't really wanna go the boring way. Alder Saddle looked interesting. But the 2012 triplogs seemed to indicate it could be a bit overgrown. @BobP did a motherlode that seemed to take a ridge route that looked interesting, but his triplog provided no clues and a perfect circle has more points than his GPS track. But I started out in that general direction anyway. After nearly 3 miles, things didn't look too bad and I turned off the trail at the saddle at 5840 and started up, heading for the main ridge to the summit.

I managed to dodge most of the flora first heading up the drainage and later following the clearest path through the brush to the lower ridge at 6300. As I turned south and made my way to the steep climb up to the main ridge, I encountered the only real obstacle today, a couple hundred yards of dense manzanita. Looking back from higher up it appeared I could have avoided it completely had I stayed east of the ridge until the climb began.

From 6400 to 7000 is a near vertical climb but lightly vegetated and reasonably easy to ascend. I kept looking to the next ridge to the west which appeared less steep, but stuck to the nose all the way up. The next half a mile is as enjoyable a hike as any ridgeline in the state and made the whole day worth it. Pure delight.

The final climb to the summit features some route finding and boulder scrambles but still infinitely less challenging than the chute on the opposite side of the peak. I had the summit to myself and took a nice break enjoying the crisp 52 degree afternoon.

Undeterred, I decided to attempt another 2012 route, a @wallyfrack special that didn't sound terrible when he did it in the snow! This worked fine for me, but it's a one-way option only. The chute is thick with oak, and I appreciated the sturdiness of the trunks and firm grip of the roots as I let gravity do the work. It would be an impossible chore to fight this forest while ascending.

After looking for Bear Spring and coming up empty early in the hike, I made a beeline for Jack's Spring on the way down, checking both the HAZ map location and the old topo map location. Neither of which had any signs of water, infrastructure, vegetation, or wildlife routes.

From the topo mark, I traversed on what might have once been a manmade cut to get over to Amethyst, eventually getting stopped by a manzanita forest where I made a direct path to the trail.

I hadn't been on this part of Amethyst before and I was happy to be on a trail again, but also needed to keep an attentive eye on where the route went. Before long it was back on 130 and back to the truck.

I'd do my ascent route again. It's arguably the best Browns route I've done.


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El Oso: 41 minutes / 50.6 miles paved driving plus 29 minutes/ 10.6 miles dirt road (70min/61mi)
FR143: 54 minutes / 18.3 miles dirt
15 minutes shorter and 43 miles less via FR143.

El Oso was rougher than I remember, with quite a few washboards and some rougher rocky sections. Views are much nicer on this side. FR143 top section above Mud Spring TH has been totally excavated and very nice. The middle stretch between Mesquite Wash and Cline TH is as rough as I've ever seen it and needs serious work. Brushy Basin is nice-ish.
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dry Bear Spring Dry Dry
Heavily overgrown. Found some mud and a palm-sized puddle of surface water. No infrastructure noted.

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Dry at location of this waypoint as well as the nearby location indicated on maps. No sign of spring infrastructure.

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There was a nice pool of water in the drainage at the trail crossing. The springbox was dry and in disrepair.
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Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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joebartelsTriplogs 5,908
Hiking10.80 Miles 2,357 AEG
Hiking10.80 Miles   7 Hrs   40 Mns   1.71 mph
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Where the southern end of the Mazzies kiss the Salt, is among my favorite areas. I have an out-n-back day hike I've been itching to do for many moons. It's been over a decade since bushwacking Alder Creek. Descending the terrain doesn't keep me up at nights. Getting back out alive is a concern, so a reconnaissance while it's still too warm seemed worthy. Five-point harness for the drive-in.

Due to the lowering angle of the sun, pockets of the Four Peaks Trail will be in the shade until spring. If it snows, as it did on the Stiller '22 hike, it'll be game over.

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I checked out the first 20 ft. When I got back RS said my break was over. It's more of a log jam than a trail.

Poked around upper Alder. It will definitely be a solo mission... to put it lightly. Ridiculously overdressed (long sleeves, pants) with the question plaguing me answered, I decided to take a stab at finding the old trail.

I found two cairns and a few old low cut branches in the middle of fricken nowhere, where the trail should be but absolutely no hint of trail. Thought I could make out the line or grade of a trail. Later figured it was an illusion when I saw the same on the flip side... Lol

After a long lunch in the shade overlooking Roosevelt Lake, a south bound thru-hiker that looked more like a tour de France rider passed as I was wrapping up. Said he'd hiked the big three and whatnot. He commented twice on the difficulty of this section. I mentioned he might see some 90° temps in the upcoming week and he was off in a flash.

The drive down was the most fun I've had in eons.
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Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
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Hiking14.96 Miles 3,089 AEG
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First time hiking with ishamod in almost eight months, and he'd had Four Peaks Trail on his list for a while. I wanted to summit Camelback and/or Buckhorn while we were in the area, but he wanted to stay on-trail for his return to hiking, so we just made it an out-and-back. Driving along 188, we saw a bird swoop down and carry off a big lizard from the shoulder of the highway...cool start to the morning, though not so great for the lizard...

I'd hiked to Mills Ridge TH from Vineyard years ago, but this was my first time starting a hike from there. FR 429 was in good shape...a few spots where high clearance is preferable, but a regular car could make it up there without much trouble when it's dry. There was one truck in the small parking area when we pulled up, but it left immediately, and there was a cache of water and a cooler with soda/beer for AZT through-hikers left by local Tonto Basin "trail angels."

It was in the 50s when we started, but we warmed up quickly with the steady climb, gaining ~900 feet in the first mile. Around the mile mark, we went a short distance off the trail to check out a hilltop ruin. There was a lot of pottery along the trail and all over the hillside, including some larger pieces, and though the dwelling walls were almost entirely collapsed, it looked like it must've been a fairly large site that covered most of the hilltop, with perimeter walls down lower.

Over the next mile and a half, as we dropped down to Buckhorn Crossing and started climbing again, we passed at least four more collapsed ruins sites that the trail passed by, or sometimes directly through. All of them had quite a bit of of pottery...surprising given the amount of traffic that passes through, and odd that part of the AZT is routed straight through so many sites like that.

The trail leveled off ~4 miles in, and we took a lunch break on the north side of Buckhorn Mountain around the five mile mark. This being part of the AZT, the trail was mostly well-maintained, though it got a little more overgrown past that point, but only for brief stretches. Beyond Buckhorn Mountain, we started to see the impressive, unobstructed views of Four Peaks. We weren't going to have time to hike to the end of #130 at the pace we were moving, so we turned around a little before 1PM, just short of Black Bear Saddle and hiked back the same way.

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The long shadows over Roosevelt and the Sierra Anchas provided a pleasant view on the hike out, and the parking lot was still empty when we returned. We didn't see anyone on the trails all day, and not much in the way of interesting wildlife...lots of bear scat and quite a few Steller's jays, but that was it. Before driving back to Phoenix, we detoured south to the bridge overlook near Inspiration Point. Pleasant hike and perfect weather, and it was great catching up with ishamod again.
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Brown's PeakPhoenix, AZ
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The original plan was to summit Brown’s Peak and then decide whether to descend to the Alder Saddle or add on, an out and back of the southern Amethyst Trail. Once at the peak, it was still so nice that I decided to tag Peak (2) 7642 instead. The ridgeline descent to Alder Saddle looked uber bushwhacky and the trail to the Amethyst Mine is really just a one and done. BTW, the mine supervisor is such an absolute nutrition waist channels (story for another time). Next thing I know, I’m downclimbing cl.5 terrain, grateful of my new La Sportiva sticky rubber. If one stays true to the ridge, it’s deceivingly spicy getting over the col between Peak 1 and 2. Once at 7642, a route down the east side of the saddle looked feasible, so I kept descending south thinking I'd still eventually link up to the Four Peaks Trail below. At someone’s old rap sling, I went left down a brushy ledge along the cliff and then out onto a huge slab. I’d done this route before, so knew it eventually reached the central saddle. Near the bottom, I cut further left than before and missed the regular cl.5 slit. My alternative was still somewhat exposed though. Travel wasn't too brushy at first because of all the huge boulders that have slid down from the broken saddle above. Some of the small canyon I tracked is quite enchanting, but it was super bushwhacky above the main confluence where a bunch of seeps were surfacing. The Alder Creek Trail doesn't exist or I never found this northern section. Any sane person wouldn't categorize it as a trail anymore. Thrashing over and up to the Four Peaks Trail was the crux of the day. Dusty, hot and overgrown. Once on the AZT #20 section, travel was much easier, except I wasn't anticipating all the uphill sections. There was one small pool at Shake Spring that was such a relief. Wetting down my head and neck got me up that last hill to the Amethyst Trail junction, where it's relatively easy to the car park. It was 90° at the trailhead when I finished at noon. I've driven FR 143 in worse shape than it is now, still super rocky in certain sections, but still an hour drive in the 4runner either direction.
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Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
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Started at the North end of this hike since we did the south 1/2 of the hike on 04/14.
There are two roads to get to this trailhead. Either you can take Four Peaks Road off of 87 (a 19 mile dirt road - Very rough) or head up towards Payson, then head back down towards Roosevelt Lake on 188 and take El Oso dirt road (10 miles of good road). We decided to try both to see what would be the best approach in the future.

Total Drive distance for the Four Peaks Road route is much shorter, but because of the rough road, drive time for both approaches is about the same. The El Oso Road is much more enjoyable, that will be the drive of choice in the future.

Although the north part of this trail was shorter than the South segment we did, the trail is rougher and more difficult to walk, so ended up making us a bit more tired.

Also shortly after starting the hike we turned a curve in the trail and came across a Black Bear cub in the middle of the trail about 20 foot ahead of us. It turned and started to jog down the path. Well this scared us a bit, WHERE IS MOM? didn't ever see her, but were terrified she would be coming out of the bushes. The cub was cute as could be, but would rather see those guys a little further away in the wild.
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Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
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Hiking13.80 Miles 3,500 AEG
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I figure I better get this out before it's to late. Road to hike currently has the best wildflower bloom I have ever seen. Also first mile or so of the hike has some spectacular wildflowers. The bloom is peak, so if you want to see this you need to get out probably in the next week.

You will NOT regret this if you go out there.
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Four Peaks - AZT #20Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Was able to convince a friend to help out with a shuttle, so it seemed a decent opportunity to knock off another AZT passage. Biggest unknown here was how much snow there would be, but with a 9am start, time wasn't a huge issue. Steep climb at the start, then a 4 miles or so of pretty mellow grade. Saw a few hikers and a mtb on this stretch.

After Mills Ridge TH the fun starts, but the climb is over with relatively quickly. There was a nice trickle in Buckhorn Canyon. Once up to 5k feet, snow started appearing on the north-facing slopes.

The final 9-10 miles were slower than anticipated, primarily because of the snow (luckily not icy, and never more than a few inches deep) and the slightly overgrown trail (although I seem to recall the AZTA describing this section as "completely destroyed" after the fire, so it could be worse).

Highlight was probably the view of the peaks from Black Bear Saddle.

A little over a mile after the saddle, I ran into my shuttle, so I had company the last four miles. From here on, we were mostly on the north side of the peaks, so all the drainages were flowing nicely.

Enjoyed this passage, and happy to lay claim to the "fastest Passage 20 time of the year so far" title.

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Trickle from the spring, box full of good water.

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No water in the spring, but lots in the canyon next to it.
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We wanted to hike this segment of the AZ Trail. But at the 3.0 mile point we ran into some snow, and at 3.5 miles the wife was ready to turn back. So I guess we will try this hike again later. It seems like a nice enough hike, trail was easy to follow, a little more trickery in the snow, but still not bad to follow.
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If you did not like the drive previously, you're going to hate it now. Any sedan that miraculously conquers 15-ish miles will unlikely negotiate one washed-out ravine filled with rocks no smaller in diameter than one foot on average.

Pigeon Trail #134 is well defined. Areas of green and a few trees escaped the beautiful mosaic burn. Mild brush, shorts-friendly for all but power whiners. Several ravines had a light flow from rain/snow a week ago. Occasional patchy 1-2 inch packed snow covered the trail.

We intended to hike Four Peaks Trail #130 out-n-back to Black Bear Saddle in hopes of witnessing a sleuth of bears. The northern slopes of the ravines were getting too dicey. Everyone mutually agreed to skip the final two miles to the famed sloth-ridden saddle.

On break early for lunch, I randomly suggested a ruin over on a knoll for Wally to check out as a joke. Naturally, he found a lost city or such. Lunch was history by 10:30 and the sun busted out! It wasn't really cold but it sure was nice to shake that dirty feeling of winter gloom.

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The curiosity of the Bush Fire aftermath brought us in and the dead of winter turned us around. I was excited to visit Pigeon #134 since it'd been ten years. These trails will be yawners to sportos, deweebs, etc but even with the burn I still like 'em. This was the shortest group hike I recall but my prior 24-mile minimum was falling on deaf ears...lol Great to finally meet Andy too!
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Shake Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout The elusive spring is unknown but the creek is flowing well
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Jan 08 2022
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56 male
 Joined Jul 05 2006
 Mesa, AZ
Pigeon Springs LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 08 2022
DarthStillerTriplogs 865
Hiking6.78 Miles 1,757 AEG
Hiking6.78 Miles   4 Hrs   13 Mns   1.83 mph
1,757 ft AEG      31 Mns Break
 
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Four Peaks Road has got worse, which is not news. It's not crazy 4x4 like you need a modified lifted ride, but be prepared for a bumpy slow going ride. No Forest Road for Old Men. At one point I stalled the engine, and it wouldn't restart. Seemed like the engine died for no reason. Joe astutely suggested the battery terminal cable may have popped loose. this has happened before to me, so I was immediately encouraged. That was indeed the issue. I put the band back over the terminal but it was still visibly loose. Forgot to pack my 10mm spare wrench. Andy's Leatherman couldn't get a grip on the nut to tighten the band. Wally took the caveman approach and smacked the band down around the terminal. He did it so efficiently we weren't able to be more dramatic pics of fixing a car with a rock. Happy to not be stranded 18 miles in, we quickly moved on.

We started from the Pigeon Springs TH, which is basically just a widened berm from the road that gives barely enough room to pull off of the road and feel comfortable that you won't get clipped by the 4x4s and whatnot. I last hiked this in 2003, so I have basically zero memories of this trail from then, other than at the end we were hiking through fog and clouds and the sounds of rolling thunder, which was terrifying.

The trail immediately descended, which obviously meant the majority of the rest of the hike would be uphill. soon the snowpack was encountered, which made the hiking dicey at times. then the clouds rolled in and things got chilly again just after everyone but me took off their extra shirts. 1 to 2 miles in, Wally found an arrowhead. this is mind blowing if you've never hiked with Wally. we're kind of used to it by now, but still very impressed. About a half mile after the 3 mile mark in the trail got super icy. the snowpack was too tight and going any further was too risky without microspikes, which none up packed. I forgot to pack my trail snacks and I was having a blood sugar crash, so I had no problem at all with bailing.

On the way back we took (an early) lunch at the junction of the Four Peaks and Oak Flat Trails, which we took a break at 12+ years earlier. It looks a little different now. Read Joe's triplog. there were ants there then. There aren't now. Fires aren't all bad. Wally got bored because we took too long to eat and found yet another ruin simply by walking to the nearest high point.

Skies were clear at the start, then quickly a system came in and made it overcast and colder. Then after the turnaround, it cleared up quickly and seemed to get warmer. Would not have made the dangerous section any better if it would have happened earlier.

On the way back, Andy fell back a bit taking pics, then missed the turn onto 4Peaks Trail to do the loop. Joe and Wally waited for me at the junction with the Amethyst Trail. I stopped to talk and wait for Andy, remembering to look behind to se he was right behind me. But was that before or after the trail junction :-k . I stated that I really didn't want to hike back down that steep climb to where we were to look for him if he was on he way back to the TH anyway, and Wally likes uphills anyway. Joe threw in that maybe we passed a ruin that Andy was checking out. After Joe ran a quarter mile back down the trail, I took my phone out of airplane mode and got in contact with Andy. He did take the wrong turn but figured it out and was on his way towards us. At that point we continued on in confidence that we were not in fact leaving him for dead. He caught with me and Joe a half mile from the Lone Pine TH, Wally was already taking a nap waiting for us there.

We walked back to the car along the road, which was way smoother than the entire road on the way up. the ride back down was just as bumpy, but a bit easier since it was downhill. Looks like the front shock driver side on the Xterra has a back bushing, so that's gotta get fixed now. The thumping sound was noticed on the way down after a unforeseen rut, but such it life. Very similar to the aborted hike I did back in 2010 or 2009 where that was an issue on FR442(?) off the junction of 143 and the road to Lone Pine.

Overall, very nice hike. Great scenery and fun times with a crew. Got home without major incident. Looking forward to making another trip up there before another 10 years passes by.
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Dec 09 2020
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 Joined Sep 08 2002
 Ahwatukee, AZ
Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 09 2020
SredfieldTriplogs 467
Hiking6.00 Miles 4,900 AEG
Hiking6.00 Miles
4,900 ft AEG
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Roger, Gordon, Mike, David and Scott joined in for some log removal on Four Peaks. Tonto gave us special dispensation to be in the closure area, in writing displayed on the vehicle, so we were legal. ATA staff had scouted the trail and reported 7 targets, ranging from about a mile-and-a-half to three miles south of Pigeon Spring. We found a few bonus trees along the way.

The burn was spotty along the trail, some being quite intense with very little vegetative remains visible. Other stretches were unscathed. Regrowth is coming on strong with green shoots 12-18 inches tall.

We stopped at Pigeon Spring on the return to assess what we’d need to refurbish it. Wish I knew more about that process, so afraid we’ll ruin it.

The elevation change made for some huffing and puffing but everyone survived. Another good day on the AZT.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Pigeon Spring Dripping Dripping
Pool in the spring box with tiny flow.
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The bear went over the mountain to see what he could see.
 
Apr 11 2020
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 Joined Aug 16 2009
 Mesa,AZ
Vineyard Trail #131Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 11 2020
hikerdwTriplogs 541
Hiking14.23 Miles 3,359 AEG
Hiking14.23 Miles   5 Hrs   50 Mns   2.80 mph
3,359 ft AEG      45 Mns Break
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Looking for a destination to hike to from the Vineyard Trail I saw where @Hansenaz posted a triplog a few years back for a small ruin site off the Four Peaks Trail so that worked.

Arrived to the parking off HWY188 at 6:30 and had boots on the ground by 6:45. Perfect weather for this hike, mostly cloudy, with below average temps. I was expecting this to be a constant uphill climb, and it was, but just for the first short 2 miles, then it really levelled out, with a final push to the Mills Ridge TH. The mile we hiked on the Four Peaks Trail was a climb, but short lived.

The ruin site was small but we both found it interesting. Spent some time looking for pottery pieces and checking out the rock walls. Once done we enjoyed lunch and took in the BIG views in all directions.

On the return trip the sky blackened, the wind kicked up, and it started to drizzle, but it all stopped as quickly as it started. Didn't see any others until we were within a few miles of the trailhead, but even then, not too crowded. Saw one fox, a small snake, and a gila monster.

The Vineyard Trail exceeded my expectations as I really enjoyed this hike.
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Wildflowers Observation Substantial
Lots of color.
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Feb 13 2019
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68 male
 Joined Jul 28 2004
 Scottsdale, AZ
Four Peaks - AZT #20Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Feb 13 2019
mazatzalTriplogs 1,354
Hiking4.80 Miles 980 AEG
Hiking4.80 Miles
980 ft AEG
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Nine of us cleared 17 deadfall from Pigeon Spring TH south to Oak Flat trail junction.

Some patches of snow along the trail and plenty of snow up above us on the peaks. Great weather: a little overcast, not too cold and not too hot. A great day to be out with a great group.
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[ checklist ]  Pigeon Spring  Shake Spring
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Wildflowers Observation Isolated

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Pigeon Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute

dry Shake Spring Dry Dry
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Mar 28 2018
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 Joined Nov 15 2005
 Jackson, CA
Four Peaks - AZT #20Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 28 2018
toddakTriplogs 583
Hiking18.50 Miles 4,500 AEG
Hiking18.50 Miles   8 Hrs      2.31 mph
4,500 ft AEG
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NOBO, huge climb and views, great trail conditions. Exited down OF123, mtn biked back to start. Other than the lakes in the distance, didn't see any water.
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Mar 25 2018
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Oak Flat Trail #123Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 25 2018
toddakTriplogs 583
Hiking24.50 Miles 3,500 AEG
Hiking24.50 Miles   10 Hrs   30 Mns   2.33 mph
3,500 ft AEG
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Up Oak Flat then NOBO to finish some miles on AZT#21 that I had missed, returned via PS loop. Big views but tedious road walking.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Shake Spring Dripping Dripping
Pools and trickle flow in the drainage below the spring. Pigeon Spring had water in the box and muddy downhill ground. Didn't drink from either.
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Mar 23 2018
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 Joined Apr 22 2012
 Fountain Hills,
Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 23 2018
KBKBTriplogs 237
Hiking11.78 Miles 3,179 AEG
Hiking11.78 Miles   6 Hrs   21 Mns   2.20 mph
3,179 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break25 LBS Pack
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Nora and I did an out-and-back hike on the Four Peaks Trail. We ended up hiking just under 12 miles w/ nearly 3200 feet of total ascent. One of our hike options was to go to the summit of Buckhorn Mountain, but the brush looked dense, so we decided to stick to the well groomed Four Peaks Trail.

I had hiked the Four Peaks Trail back in 2001 or 2002. It was quite a different experience. The area had recently been devastated by forest fire and was fairly barren. The trail was difficult to follow – I had to look very carefully for cairns or occasional ribbons tied to mostly burned trees. Due to the fire, the foliage was fairly sparse. I think I did go to the top of Buckhorn Mountain that day – the Four Peaks Trail used to go over the top, but has now been rerouted to go around the mountain.

On our Friday hike, we found a very different trail to the one that I recalled. The trail surface is well beaten in and is not especially rocky or loose. It was exceptionally easy to follow – there was never any doubt about which way to go. Views were good and it provided a good workout.
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Nov 05 2017
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50 male
 Joined Nov 11 2009
 Prescott, AZ
Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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bakeragTriplogs 47
Hiking1.83 Miles 1,031 AEG
Hiking1.83 Miles
1,031 ft AEG35 LBS Pack
 
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Trailhead was easy to find, nobody was there, but there were some water jugs waiting for anybody who needed it. The trail was easy to follow, though a few times it looked like it was turning, but I think they were just trying to redirect water. It was very steep and exposed, javelina and rabbits were everywhere. The views were phenomenal, hopefully, I'll do a bigger section some time. I was unprepared for carrying a pack up a hill, but am in pretty good shape. I found it quite difficult, without the pack, it would have been a breeze.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
There are a couple of springs visible from the trail and they had yellow leafed trees.
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 Gilbert AZ
AZT Spring Break 2017, AZ 
AZT Spring Break 2017, AZ
 
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DallinWTriplogs 228
Backpack159.40 Miles 34,237 AEG
Backpack159.40 Miles9 Days         
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Amethyst West Drainage at Trail #130 Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Cienega Creek @ AZT Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Cottonwood Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Better flow as you head down the drainage.

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Lemmon Creek @ WOR #44 Medium flow Medium flow

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Reavis Creek at Gap Trail #117 Heavy flow Heavy flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Rincon Creek @ AZT Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Shake Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Sycamore Reservoir 51-75% full 51-75% full

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Upper Molino Creek Light flow Light flow

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