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Four Peaks Trail #130 - 22 members in 73 triplogs have rated this an average 3.5 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Apr 27 2025
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 Tempe, AZ
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking7.37 Miles 2,819 AEG
Hiking7.37 Miles   5 Hrs   12 Mns   1.64 mph
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Is it even possible that I haven't been on Browns in a decade!? :o I know I hadn't been up since the Bush Fire, but that's only half the elapsed deficit. Oh well.

I set out to summit Browns, but didn't really wanna go the boring way. Alder Saddle looked interesting. But the 2012 triplogs seemed to indicate it could be a bit overgrown. @BobP did a motherlode that seemed to take a ridge route that looked interesting, but his triplog provided no clues and a perfect circle has more points than his GPS track. But I started out in that general direction anyway. After nearly 3 miles, things didn't look too bad and I turned off the trail at the saddle at 5840 and started up, heading for the main ridge to the summit.

I managed to dodge most of the flora first heading up the drainage and later following the clearest path through the brush to the lower ridge at 6300. As I turned south and made my way to the steep climb up to the main ridge, I encountered the only real obstacle today, a couple hundred yards of dense manzanita. Looking back from higher up it appeared I could have avoided it completely had I stayed east of the ridge until the climb began.

From 6400 to 7000 is a near vertical climb but lightly vegetated and reasonably easy to ascend. I kept looking to the next ridge to the west which appeared less steep, but stuck to the nose all the way up. The next half a mile is as enjoyable a hike as any ridgeline in the state and made the whole day worth it. Pure delight.

The final climb to the summit features some route finding and boulder scrambles but still infinitely less challenging than the chute on the opposite side of the peak. I had the summit to myself and took a nice break enjoying the crisp 52 degree afternoon.

Undeterred, I decided to attempt another 2012 route, a @wallyfrack special that didn't sound terrible when he did it in the snow! This worked fine for me, but it's a one-way option only. The chute is thick with oak, and I appreciated the sturdiness of the trunks and firm grip of the roots as I let gravity do the work. It would be an impossible chore to fight this forest while ascending.

After looking for Bear Spring and coming up empty early in the hike, I made a beeline for Jack's Spring on the way down, checking both the HAZ map location and the old topo map location. Neither of which had any signs of water, infrastructure, vegetation, or wildlife routes.

From the topo mark, I traversed on what might have once been a manmade cut to get over to Amethyst, eventually getting stopped by a manzanita forest where I made a direct path to the trail.

I hadn't been on this part of Amethyst before and I was happy to be on a trail again, but also needed to keep an attentive eye on where the route went. Before long it was back on 130 and back to the truck.

I'd do my ascent route again. It's arguably the best Browns route I've done.


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El Oso: 41 minutes / 50.6 miles paved driving plus 29 minutes/ 10.6 miles dirt road (70min/61mi)
FR143: 54 minutes / 18.3 miles dirt
15 minutes shorter and 43 miles less via FR143.

El Oso was rougher than I remember, with quite a few washboards and some rougher rocky sections. Views are much nicer on this side. FR143 top section above Mud Spring TH has been totally excavated and very nice. The middle stretch between Mesquite Wash and Cline TH is as rough as I've ever seen it and needs serious work. Brushy Basin is nice-ish.
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dry Bear Spring Dry Dry
Heavily overgrown. Found some mud and a palm-sized puddle of surface water. No infrastructure noted.

dry Jacks Spring Dry Dry
Dry at location of this waypoint as well as the nearby location indicated on maps. No sign of spring infrastructure.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Shake Spring Dripping Dripping
There was a nice pool of water in the drainage at the trail crossing. The springbox was dry and in disrepair.
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Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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joebartelsTriplogs 5,894
Hiking10.80 Miles 2,357 AEG
Hiking10.80 Miles   7 Hrs   40 Mns   1.71 mph
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Where the southern end of the Mazzies kiss the Salt, is among my favorite areas. I have an out-n-back day hike I've been itching to do for many moons. It's been over a decade since bushwacking Alder Creek. Descending the terrain doesn't keep me up at nights. Getting back out alive is a concern, so a reconnaissance while it's still too warm seemed worthy. Five-point harness for the drive-in.

Due to the lowering angle of the sun, pockets of the Four Peaks Trail will be in the shade until spring. If it snows, as it did on the Stiller '22 hike, it'll be game over.

Alder Saddle Trail
I checked out the first 20 ft. When I got back RS said my break was over. It's more of a log jam than a trail.

Poked around upper Alder. It will definitely be a solo mission... to put it lightly. Ridiculously overdressed (long sleeves, pants) with the question plaguing me answered, I decided to take a stab at finding the old trail.

I found two cairns and a few old low cut branches in the middle of fricken nowhere, where the trail should be but absolutely no hint of trail. Thought I could make out the line or grade of a trail. Later figured it was an illusion when I saw the same on the flip side... Lol

After a long lunch in the shade overlooking Roosevelt Lake, a south bound thru-hiker that looked more like a tour de France rider passed as I was wrapping up. Said he'd hiked the big three and whatnot. He commented twice on the difficulty of this section. I mentioned he might see some 90° temps in the upcoming week and he was off in a flash.

The drive down was the most fun I've had in eons.
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Isolated for anywhere else. Practically extreme here due to the wipeout of ash, maples, and oaks.
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Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Hiking14.96 Miles 3,089 AEG
Hiking14.96 Miles   8 Hrs   54 Mns   1.96 mph
3,089 ft AEG   1 Hour   15 Mns Break
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First time hiking with ishamod in almost eight months, and he'd had Four Peaks Trail on his list for a while. I wanted to summit Camelback and/or Buckhorn while we were in the area, but he wanted to stay on-trail for his return to hiking, so we just made it an out-and-back. Driving along 188, we saw a bird swoop down and carry off a big lizard from the shoulder of the highway...cool start to the morning, though not so great for the lizard...

I'd hiked to Mills Ridge TH from Vineyard years ago, but this was my first time starting a hike from there. FR 429 was in good shape...a few spots where high clearance is preferable, but a regular car could make it up there without much trouble when it's dry. There was one truck in the small parking area when we pulled up, but it left immediately, and there was a cache of water and a cooler with soda/beer for AZT through-hikers left by local Tonto Basin "trail angels."

It was in the 50s when we started, but we warmed up quickly with the steady climb, gaining ~900 feet in the first mile. Around the mile mark, we went a short distance off the trail to check out a hilltop ruin. There was a lot of pottery along the trail and all over the hillside, including some larger pieces, and though the dwelling walls were almost entirely collapsed, it looked like it must've been a fairly large site that covered most of the hilltop, with perimeter walls down lower.

Over the next mile and a half, as we dropped down to Buckhorn Crossing and started climbing again, we passed at least four more collapsed ruins sites that the trail passed by, or sometimes directly through. All of them had quite a bit of of pottery...surprising given the amount of traffic that passes through, and odd that part of the AZT is routed straight through so many sites like that.

The trail leveled off ~4 miles in, and we took a lunch break on the north side of Buckhorn Mountain around the five mile mark. This being part of the AZT, the trail was mostly well-maintained, though it got a little more overgrown past that point, but only for brief stretches. Beyond Buckhorn Mountain, we started to see the impressive, unobstructed views of Four Peaks. We weren't going to have time to hike to the end of #130 at the pace we were moving, so we turned around a little before 1PM, just short of Black Bear Saddle and hiked back the same way.

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The long shadows over Roosevelt and the Sierra Anchas provided a pleasant view on the hike out, and the parking lot was still empty when we returned. We didn't see anyone on the trails all day, and not much in the way of interesting wildlife...lots of bear scat and quite a few Steller's jays, but that was it. Before driving back to Phoenix, we detoured south to the bridge overlook near Inspiration Point. Pleasant hike and perfect weather, and it was great catching up with ishamod again.
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The original plan was to summit Brown’s Peak and then decide whether to descend to the Alder Saddle or add on, an out and back of the southern Amethyst Trail. Once at the peak, it was still so nice that I decided to tag Peak (2) 7642 instead. The ridgeline descent to Alder Saddle looked uber bushwhacky and the trail to the Amethyst Mine is really just a one and done. BTW, the mine supervisor is such an absolute nutrition waist channels (story for another time). Next thing I know, I’m downclimbing cl.5 terrain, grateful of my new La Sportiva sticky rubber. If one stays true to the ridge, it’s deceivingly spicy getting over the col between Peak 1 and 2. Once at 7642, a route down the east side of the saddle looked feasible, so I kept descending south thinking I'd still eventually link up to the Four Peaks Trail below. At someone’s old rap sling, I went left down a brushy ledge along the cliff and then out onto a huge slab. I’d done this route before, so knew it eventually reached the central saddle. Near the bottom, I cut further left than before and missed the regular cl.5 slit. My alternative was still somewhat exposed though. Travel wasn't too brushy at first because of all the huge boulders that have slid down from the broken saddle above. Some of the small canyon I tracked is quite enchanting, but it was super bushwhacky above the main confluence where a bunch of seeps were surfacing. The Alder Creek Trail doesn't exist or I never found this northern section. Any sane person wouldn't categorize it as a trail anymore. Thrashing over and up to the Four Peaks Trail was the crux of the day. Dusty, hot and overgrown. Once on the AZT #20 section, travel was much easier, except I wasn't anticipating all the uphill sections. There was one small pool at Shake Spring that was such a relief. Wetting down my head and neck got me up that last hill to the Amethyst Trail junction, where it's relatively easy to the car park. It was 90° at the trailhead when I finished at noon. I've driven FR 143 in worse shape than it is now, still super rocky in certain sections, but still an hour drive in the 4runner either direction.
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Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
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YoderTriplogs 273
Hiking12.10 Miles 2,700 AEG
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Started at the North end of this hike since we did the south 1/2 of the hike on 04/14.
There are two roads to get to this trailhead. Either you can take Four Peaks Road off of 87 (a 19 mile dirt road - Very rough) or head up towards Payson, then head back down towards Roosevelt Lake on 188 and take El Oso dirt road (10 miles of good road). We decided to try both to see what would be the best approach in the future.

Total Drive distance for the Four Peaks Road route is much shorter, but because of the rough road, drive time for both approaches is about the same. The El Oso Road is much more enjoyable, that will be the drive of choice in the future.

Although the north part of this trail was shorter than the South segment we did, the trail is rougher and more difficult to walk, so ended up making us a bit more tired.

Also shortly after starting the hike we turned a curve in the trail and came across a Black Bear cub in the middle of the trail about 20 foot ahead of us. It turned and started to jog down the path. Well this scared us a bit, WHERE IS MOM? didn't ever see her, but were terrified she would be coming out of the bushes. The cub was cute as could be, but would rather see those guys a little further away in the wild.
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Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
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Hiking13.80 Miles 3,500 AEG
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I figure I better get this out before it's to late. Road to hike currently has the best wildflower bloom I have ever seen. Also first mile or so of the hike has some spectacular wildflowers. The bloom is peak, so if you want to see this you need to get out probably in the next week.

You will NOT regret this if you go out there.
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Best Bloom I have ever seen. on road, Hillsides of Globemallow, Poppies, Brittle Bush,
On hike hillsides of lupin, Desert Marigold, and rainbow of colors of multiple flowering plants
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Four Peaks - AZT #20Payson, AZ
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Was able to convince a friend to help out with a shuttle, so it seemed a decent opportunity to knock off another AZT passage. Biggest unknown here was how much snow there would be, but with a 9am start, time wasn't a huge issue. Steep climb at the start, then a 4 miles or so of pretty mellow grade. Saw a few hikers and a mtb on this stretch.

After Mills Ridge TH the fun starts, but the climb is over with relatively quickly. There was a nice trickle in Buckhorn Canyon. Once up to 5k feet, snow started appearing on the north-facing slopes.

The final 9-10 miles were slower than anticipated, primarily because of the snow (luckily not icy, and never more than a few inches deep) and the slightly overgrown trail (although I seem to recall the AZTA describing this section as "completely destroyed" after the fire, so it could be worse).

Highlight was probably the view of the peaks from Black Bear Saddle.

A little over a mile after the saddle, I ran into my shuttle, so I had company the last four miles. From here on, we were mostly on the north side of the peaks, so all the drainages were flowing nicely.

Enjoyed this passage, and happy to lay claim to the "fastest Passage 20 time of the year so far" title.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Pigeon Spring Dripping Dripping
Trickle from the spring, box full of good water.

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No water in the spring, but lots in the canyon next to it.
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Hiking7.00 Miles 2,650 AEG
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We wanted to hike this segment of the AZ Trail. But at the 3.0 mile point we ran into some snow, and at 3.5 miles the wife was ready to turn back. So I guess we will try this hike again later. It seems like a nice enough hike, trail was easy to follow, a little more trickery in the snow, but still not bad to follow.
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Pigeon Springs LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking6.78 Miles 1,757 AEG
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Four Peaks Road has got worse, which is not news. It's not crazy 4x4 like you need a modified lifted ride, but be prepared for a bumpy slow going ride. No Forest Road for Old Men. At one point I stalled the engine, and it wouldn't restart. Seemed like the engine died for no reason. Joe astutely suggested the battery terminal cable may have popped loose. this has happened before to me, so I was immediately encouraged. That was indeed the issue. I put the band back over the terminal but it was still visibly loose. Forgot to pack my 10mm spare wrench. Andy's Leatherman couldn't get a grip on the nut to tighten the band. Wally took the caveman approach and smacked the band down around the terminal. He did it so efficiently we weren't able to be more dramatic pics of fixing a car with a rock. Happy to not be stranded 18 miles in, we quickly moved on.

We started from the Pigeon Springs TH, which is basically just a widened berm from the road that gives barely enough room to pull off of the road and feel comfortable that you won't get clipped by the 4x4s and whatnot. I last hiked this in 2003, so I have basically zero memories of this trail from then, other than at the end we were hiking through fog and clouds and the sounds of rolling thunder, which was terrifying.

The trail immediately descended, which obviously meant the majority of the rest of the hike would be uphill. soon the snowpack was encountered, which made the hiking dicey at times. then the clouds rolled in and things got chilly again just after everyone but me took off their extra shirts. 1 to 2 miles in, Wally found an arrowhead. this is mind blowing if you've never hiked with Wally. we're kind of used to it by now, but still very impressed. About a half mile after the 3 mile mark in the trail got super icy. the snowpack was too tight and going any further was too risky without microspikes, which none up packed. I forgot to pack my trail snacks and I was having a blood sugar crash, so I had no problem at all with bailing.

On the way back we took (an early) lunch at the junction of the Four Peaks and Oak Flat Trails, which we took a break at 12+ years earlier. It looks a little different now. Read Joe's triplog. there were ants there then. There aren't now. Fires aren't all bad. Wally got bored because we took too long to eat and found yet another ruin simply by walking to the nearest high point.

Skies were clear at the start, then quickly a system came in and made it overcast and colder. Then after the turnaround, it cleared up quickly and seemed to get warmer. Would not have made the dangerous section any better if it would have happened earlier.

On the way back, Andy fell back a bit taking pics, then missed the turn onto 4Peaks Trail to do the loop. Joe and Wally waited for me at the junction with the Amethyst Trail. I stopped to talk and wait for Andy, remembering to look behind to se he was right behind me. But was that before or after the trail junction :-k . I stated that I really didn't want to hike back down that steep climb to where we were to look for him if he was on he way back to the TH anyway, and Wally likes uphills anyway. Joe threw in that maybe we passed a ruin that Andy was checking out. After Joe ran a quarter mile back down the trail, I took my phone out of airplane mode and got in contact with Andy. He did take the wrong turn but figured it out and was on his way towards us. At that point we continued on in confidence that we were not in fact leaving him for dead. He caught with me and Joe a half mile from the Lone Pine TH, Wally was already taking a nap waiting for us there.

We walked back to the car along the road, which was way smoother than the entire road on the way up. the ride back down was just as bumpy, but a bit easier since it was downhill. Looks like the front shock driver side on the Xterra has a back bushing, so that's gotta get fixed now. The thumping sound was noticed on the way down after a unforeseen rut, but such it life. Very similar to the aborted hike I did back in 2010 or 2009 where that was an issue on FR442(?) off the junction of 143 and the road to Lone Pine.

Overall, very nice hike. Great scenery and fun times with a crew. Got home without major incident. Looking forward to making another trip up there before another 10 years passes by.
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If you did not like the drive previously, you're going to hate it now. Any sedan that miraculously conquers 15-ish miles will unlikely negotiate one washed-out ravine filled with rocks no smaller in diameter than one foot on average.

Pigeon Trail #134 is well defined. Areas of green and a few trees escaped the beautiful mosaic burn. Mild brush, shorts-friendly for all but power whiners. Several ravines had a light flow from rain/snow a week ago. Occasional patchy 1-2 inch packed snow covered the trail.

We intended to hike Four Peaks Trail #130 out-n-back to Black Bear Saddle in hopes of witnessing a sleuth of bears. The northern slopes of the ravines were getting too dicey. Everyone mutually agreed to skip the final two miles to the famed sloth-ridden saddle.

On break early for lunch, I randomly suggested a ruin over on a knoll for Wally to check out as a joke. Naturally, he found a lost city or such. Lunch was history by 10:30 and the sun busted out! It wasn't really cold but it sure was nice to shake that dirty feeling of winter gloom.

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The curiosity of the Bush Fire aftermath brought us in and the dead of winter turned us around. I was excited to visit Pigeon #134 since it'd been ten years. These trails will be yawners to sportos, deweebs, etc but even with the burn I still like 'em. This was the shortest group hike I recall but my prior 24-mile minimum was falling on deaf ears...lol Great to finally meet Andy too!
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Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
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Roger, Gordon, Mike, David and Scott joined in for some log removal on Four Peaks. Tonto gave us special dispensation to be in the closure area, in writing displayed on the vehicle, so we were legal. ATA staff had scouted the trail and reported 7 targets, ranging from about a mile-and-a-half to three miles south of Pigeon Spring. We found a few bonus trees along the way.

The burn was spotty along the trail, some being quite intense with very little vegetative remains visible. Other stretches were unscathed. Regrowth is coming on strong with green shoots 12-18 inches tall.

We stopped at Pigeon Spring on the return to assess what we’d need to refurbish it. Wish I knew more about that process, so afraid we’ll ruin it.

The elevation change made for some huffing and puffing but everyone survived. Another good day on the AZT.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Pigeon Spring Dripping Dripping
Pool in the spring box with tiny flow.
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Vineyard Trail #131Payson, AZ
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hikerdwTriplogs 541
Hiking14.23 Miles 3,359 AEG
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Looking for a destination to hike to from the Vineyard Trail I saw where @Hansenaz posted a triplog a few years back for a small ruin site off the Four Peaks Trail so that worked.

Arrived to the parking off HWY188 at 6:30 and had boots on the ground by 6:45. Perfect weather for this hike, mostly cloudy, with below average temps. I was expecting this to be a constant uphill climb, and it was, but just for the first short 2 miles, then it really levelled out, with a final push to the Mills Ridge TH. The mile we hiked on the Four Peaks Trail was a climb, but short lived.

The ruin site was small but we both found it interesting. Spent some time looking for pottery pieces and checking out the rock walls. Once done we enjoyed lunch and took in the BIG views in all directions.

On the return trip the sky blackened, the wind kicked up, and it started to drizzle, but it all stopped as quickly as it started. Didn't see any others until we were within a few miles of the trailhead, but even then, not too crowded. Saw one fox, a small snake, and a gila monster.

The Vineyard Trail exceeded my expectations as I really enjoyed this hike.
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Four Peaks - AZT #20Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
Hiking4.80 Miles 980 AEG
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980 ft AEG
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Nine of us cleared 17 deadfall from Pigeon Spring TH south to Oak Flat trail junction.

Some patches of snow along the trail and plenty of snow up above us on the peaks. Great weather: a little overcast, not too cold and not too hot. A great day to be out with a great group.
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[ checklist ]  Pigeon Spring  Shake Spring
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Wildflowers Observation Isolated

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Pigeon Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute

dry Shake Spring Dry Dry
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60 male
 Joined Nov 15 2005
 Jackson, CA
Four Peaks - AZT #20Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 28 2018
toddakTriplogs 577
Hiking18.50 Miles 4,500 AEG
Hiking18.50 Miles   8 Hrs      2.31 mph
4,500 ft AEG
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NOBO, huge climb and views, great trail conditions. Exited down OF123, mtn biked back to start. Other than the lakes in the distance, didn't see any water.
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 Jackson, CA
Oak Flat Trail #123Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 25 2018
toddakTriplogs 577
Hiking24.50 Miles 3,500 AEG
Hiking24.50 Miles   10 Hrs   30 Mns   2.33 mph
3,500 ft AEG
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1st trip
Up Oak Flat then NOBO to finish some miles on AZT#21 that I had missed, returned via PS loop. Big views but tedious road walking.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Shake Spring Dripping Dripping
Pools and trickle flow in the drainage below the spring. Pigeon Spring had water in the box and muddy downhill ground. Didn't drink from either.
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63 male
 Joined Apr 22 2012
 Fountain Hills,
Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 23 2018
KBKBTriplogs 237
Hiking11.78 Miles 3,179 AEG
Hiking11.78 Miles   6 Hrs   21 Mns   2.20 mph
3,179 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break25 LBS Pack
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Nora and I did an out-and-back hike on the Four Peaks Trail. We ended up hiking just under 12 miles w/ nearly 3200 feet of total ascent. One of our hike options was to go to the summit of Buckhorn Mountain, but the brush looked dense, so we decided to stick to the well groomed Four Peaks Trail.

I had hiked the Four Peaks Trail back in 2001 or 2002. It was quite a different experience. The area had recently been devastated by forest fire and was fairly barren. The trail was difficult to follow – I had to look very carefully for cairns or occasional ribbons tied to mostly burned trees. Due to the fire, the foliage was fairly sparse. I think I did go to the top of Buckhorn Mountain that day – the Four Peaks Trail used to go over the top, but has now been rerouted to go around the mountain.

On our Friday hike, we found a very different trail to the one that I recalled. The trail surface is well beaten in and is not especially rocky or loose. It was exceptionally easy to follow – there was never any doubt about which way to go. Views were good and it provided a good workout.
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[ checklist ]  Theodore Roosevelt Dam
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49 male
 Joined Nov 11 2009
 Prescott, AZ
Four Peaks Trail #130Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 05 2017
bakeragTriplogs 47
Hiking1.83 Miles 1,031 AEG
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Trailhead was easy to find, nobody was there, but there were some water jugs waiting for anybody who needed it. The trail was easy to follow, though a few times it looked like it was turning, but I think they were just trying to redirect water. It was very steep and exposed, javelina and rabbits were everywhere. The views were phenomenal, hopefully, I'll do a bigger section some time. I was unprepared for carrying a pack up a hill, but am in pretty good shape. I found it quite difficult, without the pack, it would have been a breeze.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
There are a couple of springs visible from the trail and they had yellow leafed trees.
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33 male
 Joined Feb 26 2015
 Gilbert AZ
AZT Spring Break 2017, AZ 
AZT Spring Break 2017, AZ
 
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DallinWTriplogs 228
Backpack159.40 Miles 34,237 AEG
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Amethyst West Drainage at Trail #130 Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Cienega Creek @ AZT Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Cottonwood Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Better flow as you head down the drainage.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 East Fork Sabino Canyon Heavy flow Heavy flow

dry Granite Spring Dry Dry

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Reavis Creek at Gap Trail #117 Heavy flow Heavy flow

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Shake Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute

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75 male
 Joined May 04 2004
 Mesa, AZ
Pigeon Spring Loop, AZ 
Pigeon Spring Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Aug 01 2016
CannondaleKidTriplogs 2,411
Hiking6.50 Miles 1,520 AEG
Hiking6.50 Miles   3 Hrs   41 Mns   1.88 mph
1,520 ft AEG      13 Mns Break20 LBS Pack
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Tracey had her birthday off and she wanted something 'reasonably' cool in temperature as well as views.
Hmmm, let's see, we hadn't done Brown's Peak in some time so maybe... NOPE!
She put her foot down fast on that one, you know, the 30% chance of thunderstorms after 11 am.
:scared:
I know... she just doesn't want to climb Browns Peak, probably EVER again.
:bdh:
I'm still set on driving up that way so we settled for a counter-clockwise Pigeon Spring Loop.
(Note spring singular as there is only one spring)

Since she's not one want anything but a nice hike on her birthday, little did she know just how much excitement she'd have on this birthday.

On the way up Four Peaks Road (FR 143) a few miles before the top we noticed a large cross. Having driven this road many a time over the years I had never noticed something this obvious, so it had to be recent. We glanced at it on our way but didn't stop, figuring we'll investigate further on the return trip. (We will, later...)

No vehicles at the Lone Pine TH so we had a very peaceful start. The clouds over Four Peaks appeared to be thinning out but we took our rain gear just in case.

We began on Four Peaks Trail #130 and hadn't gone a quarter mile before we encountered light sprinkles. But even at 72 degrees the humidity was such that I was loathe to put on my rain jacket. When the sprinkles continued I draped it over me to shield my camera if we should get a quick cloud-burst, but luckily the sprinkles soon stopped and the rest of the hike would be dry... except for the wet brush along the trails, of which there was plenty.

There were a few spots of over-growth along Trail #130 before the Pigeon Trail #134 intersection but they were of little consequence. However, between that intersection and the #130/#123 intersection (concurrent with AZT#20) there was a bit more over-growth. In a few spots the trail was completely blocked so I used my small pruning clipper to make a path.

But with branches as large as 1" in diameter it took a number of attempts before cutting through. If I had known this ahead of time I would have brought along my folding pruning saw, which was back in the Jeep.
:whistle:
Oh well... But if this growth continues, by next March through-hikers may have a bit harder time passing through this area.

Although it was still early when we reached the #130/#123 intersection, we were both famished so it was lunch time. The last time we were here (March 2015) this area was well shaded, but now after the fire (earlier this year I think?) we had no shade to speak of... at least where there was a comfortable place to sit.
:-({|=
Lunch over, time to begin the return trip. It shouldn't be a big deal, it's all downhill from... whoa! hold on just a minute, it's ALL UPHILL from here.
:sweat:
Once we passed through the areas I had trimmed and hit the Pigeon Trail things went pretty well. It seemed after each short steeper section there would be a flatter area to catch our breath before the next climb. It was still plenty humid though so again I found myself drenched from head to toe.
:sweat:
We took the short detour so we could say we at least SAW Pigeon Spring but kept on going. Back at the TH there was a man & his dog lazily wandering around before eventually heading out on the Four Peaks Trail like we had earlier.

Ok, our loop is complete but we aren't ready to head home yet so we drove north along FR 422 to check out future campsites. We took a short out-and-back hike to the end of FR 1351 but every halfway flat spot to pitch a tent on had an ant hill taking up residence.
](*,)
Farther north along FR 422 we did find a couple nice spots which we will keep in mind for our next two-day camping trip.

On the drive back down FR 143 we stopped to see what the private memorial was all about. It looks to be a pretty solid welded steel plate cross cemented into the boulder. Upon further investigation, it is for a man who was shot in North Tonawanda NY back on January 10, 2016. I can only assume it was placed there by his parents who I believe live in Mesa.
Whatever... the FS knows about it and is determining what to do about it.

In no hurry to get home we were taking a leisurely drive on FR 143. As we turned the corner by Cline TH there were two pickups, one with its back end off the road. The second pickup was just another guy who was driving by but had no means to help the one stuck, seemingly sticking around to see if other help would arrive. It did... and it was us!

I didn't ask, but it appears the guy was turning around and backed into the ditch. Although it was a 4x4 it would not engage and by this time had dug his wheels in pretty good. (bad?)
](*,)
I didn't have my winch this trip, only a short strap with metal hooks on each end. It was NOT designed for this so I was a bit gun-shy. Let's just say I did not want a repeat of a past-life experience with flying metal hooks, my 'duck!' reflex isn't near what it used to be.

Ok, we're hooked up, I put it in 4-low with both lockers on, took up the slack and tried to go. Nope, as I figured, the hard surface with a healthy coating of loose pea-gravel provided no traction whatsoever. So... just how much slack should I give before taking a run at it? I tried a 5-foot run at it and just got a grunt but the pickup didn't move.
](*,)
Ok, so now we have to get serious! The strap was hooked as low as possible on both vehicles so hopefully if we have a flying hook, it won't come through any windows.
I figured one last yank and if he's not out, too bad, we're outta here. So I backed up to provide about ten feet of slack and just hit the gas. BAM! The pickup was out of the ditch!
:y:
Hopefully the 4WD not engaging would be his only issue to fix, but when I looked at his right rear tire, it was so heat-checked with dry-cracks and even a piece of the sidewall gone so the cords were visible I told him this is a blow-out just waiting to happen.
:scared:
Whatever, it's his problem now and we headed on down the road. Because we were in no hurry, we let the guy in the other truck pass us, only to find him off the road a few miles farther on. So here's this guy standing next to his truck with a sheepish grin on his face, waiting for us to arrive.
:whistle:
He took one corner a bit too wide and his right front tire dug into a huge bank of soft pea-gravel, and of course the first instinct is to turn the wheel left... only to dig it in deeper.
:tt:
While it wasn't really funny, it was, because his son (5 years old?) had told him to slow down a while back but he didn't, and had paid the consequence.
:guilty:
While Tracey kept the boy entertained (well away from the vehicles) we got his truck hooked up
to the Jeep and this time, even with a bit better traction I decided one good yank is all we need, and that's just what it took. With profuse thanks he was on his way before we got turned back around.

I joked with Tracey that I should have told the guy it would cost him $100 to pull him out. If he said, wait, you didn't charge the other guy anything I'd say, well, based on his old beater truck that's probably all he could afford, but you have a brand new truck, so it will cost you... besides, you shouldn't put your 5 year old in danger like that.
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We had no further adventures but Tracey will be sure to remember this birthday for a long time.
:y:
All's well that ends well, I guess.
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 Joined Feb 26 2015
 Gilbert AZ
AZT: Roosevelt to Washington Park, AZ 
AZT: Roosevelt to Washington Park, AZ
 
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DallinWTriplogs 228
Backpack132.20 Miles 26,979 AEG
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April 9th
Miles: 19
AEG: 6,413 ft

We started the climb from the 188 around 7:30 AM. The goal for the day was to make it to Pigeon Springs. The weather was great, and the views of Roosevelt Lake got more spectacular as we climbed out of the basin. After taking a break at Buckhorn Spring, the trail climbs relentlessly before topping out and contouring the mountain.

Eventually we turned a corner and BAM!, the four craggy peaks were staring us right in the face. Quite the view! The trail through the Four Peaks passage is very well maintained, except for a small stretch where we were pushing through overgrowth that nearly obscures the trail. Despite the large swaths of burned forest, this passage was one of my favorite so far. Eventually we reached Pigeon Springs and found a relatively flat spot to set up our tents.

April 10th
Miles: 19
AEG: 2,196 ft

The morning began with a clear sky. After packing up the gear we headed for Pigeon Springs Rd to begin the long road walk. I'm usually not a fan of road walks, but this was an exception. There were great views on either side of the Superstitions, Sierra Ancha, and Lake Roosevelt. The immediate area itself was very beautiful as well. Around 10 AM we could see clouds beginning to build on top of Browns Peak, and a storm hitting the Supes.

We stopped to take out the rain jackets and a white mini-van rolled up and asked if this road would take them all the way back to the 87. I pulled out my map and told them it looked like the road ended well before reaching the 87 and that they needed to turn around and take El Oso or the other forest road. The wife sitting in the passenger seat seemed concerned that we were about to be backpacking out in the rain. :roll: By 11 AM it was lightly raining, which was initially quite exciting (I needed to test the rain gear anyway).

Just as we reached the Boulder Creek drainage the storm began to give us its all. Heavy rain, wind, and thunder! By the time we reached Sunflower, the trail was a muddy slip and slide, my phone was soaked and unresponsive (may it RIP ](*,) ), and we were slightly chilled.

We waited under the 87 underpass for my brother to arrive, who was picking us up so I could take an exam for an online class I'm taking before returning to the trail the next day.

April 11th
Miles: 12
AEG: 2,643 ft

After finishing up my exam, we were back on trail around 1 PM. Under the 87, we did some last minute gear prep before heading out and ran into three other hikers, Giltch, Kegel, and Minus. They were 17 days into their thru-hike and were excited to get into Pine for some much needed beer. We were all aiming for McFarland Canyon for the night.

We started up Saddle Mountain and enjoyed all the green scenery in the area. Just before reaching camp, we passed the half way mark for the AZT and celebrated with the thru-hikers before settling down for the night in McFarland Canyon.

April 12th
Miles: 21
AEG: 5,249 ft

The thru-hikers were up and leaving camp just as we were beginning to pack up. We weren't sure if we would ever see them again. The trail gets a little hard to follow just after McFarland Canyon to Thicket Spring. The Guthooks app says to head straight up a wash but apparently there is an alternative route that is clear of brush and well defined that you can take at the first junction past McFarland.

Once we reached the junction for the Peeley TH we stopped to take a break and ran into Joe, a gentleman I had met at a trail maintenance event about a month earlier. Quite the coincidence, if we would have left a minute earlier we probably would have never seen him. He was meeting up with another fellow to remove some downed trees along the trail.

The views along the Mazatzal Divide from Peeley to Y-Bar were my favorite for the entire trip. The rugged peaks of the Mazatzals and expansive views on either side were exciting to see. We ran into Minus again at the Bear Spring junction taking a lunch break. After taking our own lunch break at the spring, we headed for Horse Camp Seep.

As we approached Horse Camp Seep, we ran into the three thru-hikers again. There was another hour or so of light, so they continued on, we decided to call it a day where there was water. Horse Camp Seep was a sweet spot and had great camping.

April 13th
Miles: 18
AEG: 2,907 ft

The goal for the day was to make it to the East Verde River, a relatively easy day that was mostly downhill. We made our way along the Divide trail and passed "The Park", an inviting stand of pines and great campsites. We stopped to take a lunch break at the Red Hills seeps. From here the trail descends steeply to the East Verde River. Not very fun for the knees.

We camped just across the river and enjoyed the warmest night of the trip. We were now done with the Mazzies, and I felt the proposed "overgrowth" was kind of blown out of proportion, or there has been a lot of trail work in the past couple of months. Probably a bit of both. ;) I never felt like the trail was hard to find (except for the stretch between McFarland and Thicket) or that I had to deal with excessive brush that I wouldn't expect on most wilderness trails.

April 14th
Miles: 23
AEG: 4,196 ft

With burgers and beer on our minds, we got up early to make it into Pine with sufficient time to hit up THAT brewery and the market. The rocks along Whiterock and Hardscrabble Mesas were annoying and it felt like I was constantly stubbing my toes or rolling my ankle. Otherwise the area is quite beautiful and welcoming. The rocks put these two passages high on my list of "one and done" passages.

We reached Pine around 5pm with plenty of time to get burgers and beer. Lo and behold, we run into Minus, Kegel, and Giltch at the brewery along with another thru-hiker, Thomas, who was taking a zero in town. We joined them and enjoyed the comradery. Thomas decided to join us at camp for the night near the Pine TH while the others reserved the cabin in the back.

April 15th
Miles: 17
AEG: 3,303 ft

We woke up with frost all over our gear. :yuck: After packing up, Thomas headed for the Highline and we headed for breakfast at the Early Bird. Just before we finished up eating we ran into Minus who was getting some breakfast himself.

We headed for the Highline. It was nice to be climbing on a well graded trail with less rocks, especially because a hole was beginning to develop in my right shoe. I could feel every rock under my foot on that spot.

At Red Rock Spring we made a quick stop and finished off the last bit of the Arizona Trail Ale we picked up the night before at the market.

Once we reached Webber Creek we caught up with Thomas who was drying out all his gear. We stopped to take a break, and eventually Minus came strolling down the trail to join us. Minus decided to hike with us for a stretch after the break. The Rim gets right up in your face along this stretch and red dirt contrasting with the green pines and cedars made for great scenery.

We were about 9 miles from the finish and a little antsy to finish up. Eventually Minus stopped to take a lunch break and we continued on after filtering some water. Now with only 5 miles left, we kicked it into high gear and made for the Washington Park TH. Clouds started to build along the rim.

We reached the trailhead and got ready to hunker down for a few hours of inclement weather before our ride would arrive. However, after a few snow flurries, the clouds broke. Eventually Thomas and the other three thru-hikers caught up with us, we exchanged information, and said our goodbyes. All of them were very enthusiastic about Arizona and couldn't stop commenting on the diversity of the state and how we had a pretty cool home.

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Besides my foot issue due to my failing shoe on the last day, I felt great this entire trip. I never woke up sore or feeling exhausted. I listened to my body, and I was proactive about keeping my feet and knees happy. It really paid off and made the trip that much more enjoyable.

This concludes all of Southern and Central Arizona passages for me. I'm looking forward to the easy walking on the plateau to the UT border!
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Wildflowers Observation Light
Lots of lupine in the middle elevations, not much at the highest and lowest elevations.

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Pools and light flow in drainage just south of spring.

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dry Granite Spring Dry Dry

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Flowing across the trail.

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Flowing over the cement box.

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Flowing across the trail, really muddy.

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Pools with light flow in some areas.

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Shake Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Great flow, great water.

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Webber Creek @ Highline Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Whiterock Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Best water of the trip.
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