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Trail Legs w/ a side of Marinara Sauce, AZ 
Trail Legs w/ a side of Marinara Sauce, AZ
 
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@KabukiMan and I intended to spend three days/two nights backpacking Charlebois Loop II, camping out at Charlebois and then at a campsite east of Miner’s Summit.

Spoiler Alert: We didn't make it to either.

(Stayed at the Oak Spring campsites instead, which, as another backpacker told us earlier that day, is better than Charlebois. But I'll let Bob tell the story.)

Important stuff first:

- The road to the Peralta TH was different driving in than driving out. It had rained in the interim, and I think the rain made the road smoother on the way out. Except that there were ruts in the road now. One so deep (about a foot down and foot wide) that I don’t know how the low clearance sports cars I saw coming in Monday could have crossed without bottoming out. Until the ruts are repaired, they can only become deeper & wider. HC w/ big tires recommended.

- Water was night and day difference after a night of rain. Although it had rained in the area earlier in the week (and so I was expecting water everywhere), most of the washes/drainages were dry Saturday. But there was water everywhere Sunday. For example, on Saturday, the big wash north of the Bluff Spring/Red Tanks Trails junction (La Barge Creek) was completely dry. Whereas on Sunday, it was so full that we couldn’t rock hop. (And further contrast to last month after three days of heavy rain where I was able to hop that Creek then.)

- There was very little scat anywhere. BUT, a big cat paw print at Barks like the one that someone here posted in a photo last month. (About 3 inches wide. Sorry, I didn’t take a photo.) Since it had rained Saturday night, and this was Monday morning, this was a fresh print. I think that there's a big mountain lion there.

- Apparently inch worms/green caterpillars can smell wet wool. Found one in the morning eating one of my socks that, the night before, I had hung up high on my tent to dry. (Am amazed that the little guy was 1) there, 2) could smell the wool and, 3) made the effort to climb my tent on the chance that he could eat my sock.)

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Now, regarding Trail Legs in my title: In the past, while doing sections of the AZT, when I’ve told thru-hikers I met how exhausted I was, almost all of them told me that I would feel better after I had gotten my “Trail Legs.”

What are Trail Legs? I don’t think that anyone can know what it means to have your Trail Legs until it happens to you. Now I think I know.

This particular trip seemed remarkably easier than any backpack trip I’ve done so far. And specifically easier than hiking Loop II a month before. To borrow from “My Fair Lady,” it was like I could have danced all night. Still slow. But felt strong and didn’t start to feel tired until the 2.5 day mark.

I’m guessing that having trained hard the week before, bulking up with carbs the week before, and having made two other backpacking trips in October all contributed to feeling “In the Zone.” (Another nebulous term that I’ve only experienced once or twice in the distant past.)

So that was nice. Now if I can just move a little faster than 1 mph.

Regarding w/ Marinara sauce: It started to rain when we arrived at Oak Spring. (5-ish.) I set up my tent in the rain (while wearing my poncho) and then boiled water, in the rain, for my meal. (Using my new alcohol siphon stove - more on that in a review later.)

Bob showed me a koozie that he had made to keep his food hot while it was rehydrating. I told him that I used the footbox of my sleeping bag instead - with the added safety of putting my food pack in a larger foil bag in case of a leak. (Per an Influencer’s Pro-Tip.)

It was still raining, a little colder, and now dark when it was time to eat my dinner.

Bob was eating his dinner in the rain. But he’s from Oregon and perhaps used to being rained on. I am not.

I desperately wanted to get out of the rain and enjoy my meal in comfort.

So I knelt down at the door to my tent, pulled off my poncho and now had rain raining on my back. I tried to find my meal in my sleeping bag before crawling into my tent. But with glasses fogging and my headlamp not aimed right, I grew impatient and figured I would find my meal from inside my tent. So I crawled into my tent and sat down. On my sleeping bag.

I suddenly felt something hot oozing around my right butt check.

Rats.

Yep, I had sat on my meal and marinara sauce had gushed out all over the inside of the footbox of my sleeping bag.

Looking back on it now, I made another mistake by trying to wipe up the mess with a rag as quickly as possible. Which drove some of the liquid further into the bag. In retrospect, I should have pulled the bag out of the tent and held the affected part upside down while trying to clean it that way. (But in addition to be being dark outside, it was raining outside.)

So now I was worried about two things: 1) staying warm in my now wet bag/dying of hypothermia during the night and 2) that animals would be attracted to marinara sauce.

Fortunately, no animals came by. And I managed to stay warm by sleeping with my bag inside out. (Since it was the inside that had saturated, wetting the liner and some down.) I used my SOL Escape Lite Bivvy (Tyvek based) to separate me from the wetness of the marinara sauce.

The next morning I put the footbox of my sleeping bag in the nearby stream to try to flush out as much of the sauce as I could before the next night. That helped. But after my return home, I spent about fifteen hours and a half bottle of Nikwax’s Down Wash Direct to clean the rest of the sauce out. (It took about 50 iterations of "rinse & repeat." But I think it's out.)
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We saw Scott at the trailhead and he said he planned to check out Middle Canyon. Wally thought we might run into him at some point on our hike but we never did.

did the loop clockwise, getting the big climb up cardiac hill out of the way early. In Barks Canyon I saw 2 carcasses, one of which was torn apart, which made me think a mountain lion might be lurking. Wally pointed out some scrawlings on the rocks near the Peralta rock and the saddle above the Terrapin Trail that I hadn't seen before. The ones above Terrapin Trail seemed interesting to me because it says "Lost Dutchman Mine" and "no trespassing", which seems to imply that the mine is right there. Closer inspection of that one seemed like some kind of acid was used on the rock to make the marks, they weren't etched like petroglyphs.

The 2nd climb before the junction with the Terrapin Trail was in the shade because it was still early and the sun was low. Along the LDT it leveled out and I was feeling pretty spry after the uphill slog. I had originally wanted to try to add the Ely-Anderson Trail and once we got to it I suggested we hike it.

We only got about a quarter mile in when it became obvious that it wasn't a good idea. The sun was beating down and it was starting to warm up quite a bit. That trail is also very steep, faint, and has some loose rock. I was almost completely out of water once we did finish our hike, so if we had hiked all of it, the last couple of miles would have been really rough.

The descent from Miners needle has the best views on this hike. Barkley Basin has a lot of saguaro skeletons, but still a lot of saguaros left. Older pics I have show more from before, but so soon after the fire, this area doesn't look that bad at all.

Clouds started to roll in the last couple of miles, but didn't offer much shade. Humidity was up more than the weekend before, and it was still pretty hot. Finished up without incident.
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Dry conditions. Saw no one on the trail. Cool temperatures. Few wildflowers and some water in the creek. I hiked with my friend, Christina, who I might hike with her next week.
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Whiskey West - Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
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First time doing this loop as a day hike! To add something new, we checked out the major springs along the way! 😁 My previous visit was full of water. This time everything was dry except for a few pot holes of water here and there due to the bit of rain we had a couple of days last week.

My favorite section of this loop is red tanks. The views are expansive. The red rock formations are majestic. The views on whiskey are also beautiful.

La Barge spring was a real treat. Completely surrounded by vines, the spring is hidden in its own secret lair! 🤣🤣 There is a trail carved through the vines to get there. The trail itself is a muddy slip N slide, as the spring box is overflowing and water is running down the trail like a small creek. It is quite magical!! 💧🩵💧🩵💧 The water rains down into the spring box from above. There were 2 backpackers camping at the campsite closest to the spring, and another two filled up water before heading down red tanks.

Next stop was bluff springs, which I have been by so many times and never stopped to see! 🤣🤣 From the main campsite just off the trail, follow the main trail back towards the canyon and into the trees. There are lots of game trails, but there is still one main large trail going back. Just before entering the trees, there is a large piece of sheet metal. The water is coming directly out of a pipe and splashes down onto a large rock. The flow was a consistent small stream, but you would need to catch it in something to filter.

After bluff spring, we were in the home stretch. We noted the exact location of the Ely Anderson trail for a future trip. The trail is noticeable and cairned. There was no water in bluff spring canyon. Just a few small puddles near the giant rock in the wash.

Jason pointed out the Peralta rock in Barks canyon. I don't think I have seen it before. It is hiding in plain sight! 🤣🤣

Before you know it, we were down cardiac hill and back at the car! Another beautiful winter day in the desert full of sunshine! 🙂🌵☀️ In addition to the 2 groups of backpackers we saw at La Barge, we saw another 2 groups of backpackers heading in on bluff springs. It is certainly a fine weekend for it! We saw 4 day hikers when we were starting out on Dutchman. Not too bad crowding wise. The parking lot was a zoo when we arrived at 840a. Of course, thankfully all those people confine themselves to Peralta, leaving the rest of the wilderness relatively unscathed! 🤣🤣 I normally like to get an earlier start, but had some commitments in the early morning. The drive in was also a bit of a zoo. And there were unsurprisingly 30 cars at the carney springs TH at least. Craziness!

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Few puddles of water only.

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Water coming out of the pipe onto a large rock

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Lots of water. Spring box full and overflowing creating a mini creek of the trail leading up to the spring box. Spring is surrounded by vines.


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Didn't see anything in this exact area. There were some potholes of water here and there. And there was one area with some actively running water into a tiny pool in the creek bed.
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Went up to Circle peak and Miners Summit. Both have great views and are walkups with no scrambling.
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john proposed this combo after i refused to hike on south mountain again today :lol:
got going around 0745
forecast low was 35, temps were oddly warmer than that at 48 - windy though
i might have overdressed
up peralta to the saddle, down cave trail, up bluff spring, finishing on dutchman
this was a fun hike
hadn't been on cave trail in a couple years
nice to be back in the supes
we saw quite a few people along the way
thanks john, good suggestion :)
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Kelly wanted to get away from my beloved South Mountain. Blasphemy! I came up with a hike we hadn't done before. Turned out to be a couple miles longer than I thought it would be.
A little chilly starting out with the wind. Very nice once we got warmed up and in the direct sunlight.
We chatted with a few hikers/backpackers we came across.
Fun hike. Thanks Kelly! :)
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Routescout recorded 9.9 miles rather than the listed 8.9. The views when dropping into Barkley Basin were fantastic. Tried to find water at Crystal Spring but it was bone dry.
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second hike in the senior citizen series (after black mesa loop)
we got going on bluff springs trail at 0600
saw two people early on, then no one else
john checked out the mine above peralta canyon
much of bluff springs ascent still in shade
tons of globemallow along the trail and on the hillsides
turned onto dutchman and made the uphill to the saddle just past whiskey springs trail
nice views from there of barkley basin, the needle and different rock formations
dropped down and finished up on dutchman
we didn't burn it down today
took photos and looked at stuff
plenty of brittlebush, globemallow, some lupine, fairy duster, a few poppies
nice to be out in the superstitions again
thanks john, good times
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Second week in a row we ventured into the Superstitions.
Besides two people early on, we didn't see anybody the entire hike.
Wildflowers are still very strong. Foxtail is plentiful. Mostly purple but drying out. Running water in some unlikely places.
Lizards are out in full force. Saw a dback.
Barkley Basin is looking a bit better than the last time I saw it. I doubt it will ever recover from the fire.
Fun day in the wilderness. Thanks Kelly. :)
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Did the loop clockwise. Beautiful day in the Supes with running water all about :app: Brought my filter just because i could lol.

Had not been out here in years, so it was delightful to be back. Peralta road is in very good shape
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It was a beautiful early spring day with recent January rains making all the creeks run. There was plenty of wonderful water rippling with splendor and many puddles to jump in during the hike. The spring wildflowers are coming soon. :y:

I went clockwise around Miner's Needle Loop. I also added a few offshoots for exploration for future trips. At Bluff Springs, I headed north on Dutchman's trail to see to the north for a future through high on the full Dutchman.

I also hiked east on the Whiskey Springs leg. The Forest Rangers stationed at the Peralta Trailhead this morning warned against hiking the Whiskey Springs trail since it is "no longer being actively maintained". However, I was not deterred and I explored about 1.5 miles along the trail to the east, where there is an amazing campsite at a saddle before the final leg of the trail winds down to Whiskey Springs itself. The views from the saddle are stunning with magnificent views to the west and the east at the same time from the saddle. Upon returning to the trailhead, I advised the Forest Rangers that the trail isn't bad and that they need not discourage hiking on the trail.

1.20 miles - 8:24 am
Water flowing at a gallon per minute

3.81 miles - 9:41 am
Multiple gallons per minute

6.37 miles - 10:44 am
Amazing camping spot at the saddle near Whiskey Springs. Magnificent views to the west and the east at the same time from the saddle.
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I only saw 2 California Poppies on the entire Miner's Needle Loop today. Coming soon after the rains.

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Clear water flowing from recent rains.

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Beautiful day, great company, wonderful hike! :)

Trail in good shape. Lots of water around after the rain a week ago; many large clear pools in all wash areas. Lots of big groups going backpacking. Parking lot full. Peralta Road is in great shape, a little rough between the main lot and the overflow but not bad.

I posted a photo of a pipe sticking up near the junction of of bluff spring and Dutchman trails, about 10 feet northwest of the trail junction. Not sure what that is about.

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Nice and cool this morning. Perfect for a nice long hike, yet I still managed to get started after 9am and finish in the warm sun.

Very dry. The only green out there seems to be catclaw and Holly. It’s not terrible, but wear long sleeves and long pants.

I saw three people and a beautiful Husky finishing up on Bluff Springs as I was starting out. I had the loop all to myself after the first mile.
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My first longer hike since my meniscectomy in August. My #2 son and I met Jason at his house in Gold Canyon and we drove down the dusty but newly graded Peralta Road.

We started out about sunrise from Peralta Trailhead. The weather was perfect. 5-6 vehicles in the lot when we arrived. I decided to do this loop clockwise. Getting up Cardiac Hill with fresh legs seemed like a better decision than hiking down them with 8 miles already finished.

We made it to the saddle near the Terrapin Junction and Jason wasn't "feeling it". He decided to bail and head back to the TH. A lingering bout of bronchitis was still messing with him. Johnny and I kept going to complete the loop.

Bluff Springs Trail is in ok shape up to the Terrapin junction. After that, it was over-grown and grassy. It was extra-crunchy the entire hike, but especially from Terrapin up to the Miners Saddle. Lots of catclaw and grass.

The Dutchman Trail going down from Miners Needle was a little different than my last visit on March 1, where we had 2-3 inches of snow hiking up. This time around, the same baked and broiled fauna that we encountered the entire hike dominated.

The fires that ravaged the Supes the past 3-4 years have left a lasting impact for sure. 1000's of dead or dying saguaros, tree skeletons and, of course, lots of grass. It's especially depressing at the base of Miners Needle in Barkley Basin. That area was a giant saguaro forest. It's now the valley of death. So many beautiful saguaros are gone forever in this area now. It will be the Superstition Grasslands after a few more fires.

I did better than expected on this loop. We made decent time. Going up was not a problem, going down was a little tenuous, but my knee felt pretty good after this one.

I am ready to start resuming the normal rotation of hikes.
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Took advantage of the cooler weather today to do my first hike in the Supes this season as it's been 5ish months since it's been cool enough for me to hike the Supes. The original plan was to hike the Miners Needle Loop with Andy and his son Johnny, however, I had the flu last week which turned into Bronchitis, which I thought I had kicked but today it told me nope. Started off hiking up cardiac hill, which always sucks, lol. As we got into Barks Canyon I was really struggling with getting air into my lungs, but I pushed on. Hiked up to the ridge near the Terrapin Junction and I made the decision to call it as I was struggling to much to breathe. I wanted Andy and Johnny to complete the loop so they pressed on. I hung out up on the ridge for a bit, enjoying the nice breeze then headed back down into Barks. I briefly thought about taking Barks Canyon all the way down to the Dutchman, but after about a half mile of that, my lungs said no, so I continued back up Bluff Springs trail back to the TH where Andy and Johnny had just gotten back. Didn't complete the loop like I wanted but was able to get a short hike in none the less. Not a drop of water anywhere, everything is completely dead and dry, but was still awesome to get my first hike of the season out there.
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Bluff Spring Loop & Weaver's ViewPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar May 26 2023
pseudalpineTriplogs 1,510
Hiking11.07 Miles 2,004 AEG
Hiking11.07 Miles   4 Hrs   13 Mns   2.93 mph
2,004 ft AEG      26 Mns Break
 
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Essentially this route is the same as the Miners Needle Loop, but tacks on some of the Terrapin Trail and the Weavers Needle Crosscut. I've probably done the MNL over fifty times, but this morning it was definitely an excersise in character building by completing this hike when the Saguaro blooms are starting to drop, regardless if one adds the Bluff Saddle leg or not. There were a bunch of dying, overgrown bushes and unending spiderwebs to deal with along the way, but surprisingly, no viper sightings. We flushed five deer total, on two separate occasions, before the Bluff Springs junction. Not as many gnats and not as hot as expected because of the nice, constant eastern breezes. Dese only blew out one pad and poked her eye, but she'll recover quickly as usual. : wink :
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[ checklist ]  Miners Needle  Weavers Needle
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Jan 23 2023
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60 male
 Joined Oct 07 2017
 Chandler, AZ
Miners Needle LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 23 2023
YoderTriplogs 273
Hiking9.40 Miles 1,750 AEG
Hiking9.40 Miles   3 Hrs   49 Mns   2.67 mph
1,750 ft AEG      18 Mns Break10 LBS Pack
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One of my favorite hikes in the Superstitions. Views going up or coming down (depending on path) from saddle near needle to valley floor are super!
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Jan 11 2023
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 Joined Dec 24 2007
 Ahwatukee, AZ
Bluff Spring Mountain SummitPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 11 2023
LindaAnnTriplogs 2,676
Hiking10.92 Miles 2,713 AEG
Hiking10.92 Miles   6 Hrs      2.15 mph
2,713 ft AEG      55 Mns Break
 
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Got started on Bluff Springs Trail at 0800. Cool, with some high clouds, but no breeze. Warmed up quickly with the uphill. Nice amount of water, with evidence of recent high flow.

After a couple of miles, we turned off the trail to head up a drainage on the southwest side of the mountain. Lots of cactus to dodge at first, especially hidden in the dry grass. We saw one deer ahead of us, which actually took our planned route up the drainage before disappearing from sight. It made the climb look easy, reality required a bit more work, but it’s a fun scramble. Two years ago, there was a faint route above the drainage, but it was non existent today. Nonetheless, getting to the summit was straightforward.

Took a long break at the top, then headed down southeast towards the Ely Anderson trail. Neat geology and views along the steep descent, but the route is vague in places. Once we were down, getting back over to Dutchman trail was easy, despite Bruce’s efforts to lead us astray. Headed south on Dutchman, where it was nice to be on a distinct trail again. Some catclaw crowding the trail, but nothing terrible—yet. A few muddy spots. Finally saw our first people of the day well onto Dutchman, passing a couple of groups in the final few miles. Lots of burned saguaros, but the vegetation was overall rather green thanks to recent rain. Good day and good company.
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Jan 11 2023
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 Joined Nov 17 2008
 phoenix, az
Bluff Spring Mountain SummitPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 11 2023
trekkin_geckoTriplogs 4,749
Hiking11.40 Miles 2,507 AEG
Hiking11.40 Miles   6 Hrs   1 Min   2.19 mph
2,507 ft AEG      48 Mns Break
 
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revisiting the supes part two
linda put together a loop that went up the southwest face of bluff spring mountain and down ely-anderson
some extra mileage finishing on dutchman
summitted from ely-anderson nine and ten years ago
didn't realize it had been that long :o
we got going around 0800
cool temps and i regressed to initially overdressing, warming up immediately on bluff springs trail
off-trail route up to the mesa had little brush and good footing - still better up that way then down
we made our way to the summit and took a long break enjoying the views
i hadn't been on these trails in several years, at least since any fires
nice to see some of the landmarks like miner's needle again
good route, good crew, good weather
thanks y'all!
*used joe's stats
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